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4 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

I just got an email that the church I found is doing Sunday School outside - calling it "Camp Sunday School" to make it fun, giving each kid their own camp chair and supplies, etc. I won't lie, I literally cried when I read the email. This is the first activity my kids will have done since Covid started. The ONLY one I've found that was actually being proactive about safety - outdoors, distanced in their own chairs, with their own supplies. so yeah, I cried. 

Aw, that sounds lovely. I wish our Hebrew School would do that. They are planning to go in-person, and I guess the people who don't want to do that can be the odd ducks by Zoom? I dunno. It's definitely much better than you all have described, but I still feel grumpy about it. 

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10 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

Having heard a lot about your kids, I do think you'd fit in better where people are on average more academically oriented. 

Oh, gosh, no. My kids fit recreationally into a gifted enrichment program (most of the time) that didn't have assignments, grades, etc., but those top out at age 14, and by the time the kids are that age, they've taken most of what they're interested in and just done. As long as we didn't talk about 2e stuff (except to share book recommendations in a parent seminar), and as long as actual school stuff didn't come up, my kids (mostly) blended in. But people did seem to want to like us and have something in common, lol! And I was involved on a volunteer level when I could be, which meant meeting some nice people for a time. 

It felt like imposter syndrome externalized, lol!!! It's really nice when people notice your kids even in a group of "certified" gifted kids, but it's a real conversation stopper when you can't hold a follow up conversation with them about First Lego League, DE, and geometry in 7th grade, etc. (other than nodding along and hoping they wouldn't ask where my kids were in any subject). Much like how I feel in any topic on the AL boards here. I just don't check them anymore. 

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Oh, gosh, no. My kids fit recreationally into a gifted enrichment program (most of the time) that didn't have assignments, grades, etc., but those top out at age 14, and by the time the kids are that age, they've taken most of what they're interested in and just done. As long as we didn't talk about 2e stuff (except to share book recommendations in a parent seminar), and as long as actual school stuff didn't come up, my kids (mostly) blended in. But people did seem to want to like us and have something in common, lol! And I was involved on a volunteer level when I could be, which meant meeting some nice people for a time. 

It felt like imposter syndrome externalized, lol!!! It's really nice when people notice your kids even in a group of "certified" gifted kids, but it's a real conversation stopper when you can't hold a follow up conversation with them about First Lego League, DE, and geometry in 7th grade, etc. (other than nodding along and hoping they wouldn't ask where my kids were in any subject). Much like how I feel in any topic on the AL boards here. I just don't check them anymore. 

I don't mean that you'd be in a school program. Just that there'd be more intense, odd-ish kids around. Do you think I'm off-base? 

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10 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

I just got an email that the church I found is doing Sunday School outside - calling it "Camp Sunday School" to make it fun, giving each kid their own camp chair and supplies, etc. I won't lie, I literally cried when I read the email. This is the first activity my kids will have done since Covid started. The ONLY one I've found that was actually being proactive about safety - outdoors, distanced in their own chairs, with their own supplies. so yeah, I cried. 

AWwww  Yay.   So glad you found that church.    I hope you can find more safe activities for them.   I think of you often during all these FL surges and how stressful and hard that is to go through.  Trying to keep it together for the kids, keep them safe, and also give them activities and experiences.  

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20 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

I just got an email that the church I found is doing Sunday School outside - calling it "Camp Sunday School" to make it fun, giving each kid their own camp chair and supplies, etc. I won't lie, I literally cried when I read the email. This is the first activity my kids will have done since Covid started. The ONLY one I've found that was actually being proactive about safety - outdoors, distanced in their own chairs, with their own supplies. so yeah, I cried. 

I cried when I read this! Bless them for caring about children enough to do the right thing, and spend the money to make it special!!!!!

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3 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

I don't mean that you'd be in a school program. Just that there'd be more intense, odd-ish kids around. Do you think I'm off-base? 

I honestly don't know. They fit in pretty well with gifted cousins that they don't see often, but that part of the family is largely socialized to be inclusive of various income levels and don't really see the lesser educated/not go-getter family members as not living up to their potential or uninteresting as people. We have smart blue collar workers and smart engineers and everything in between. 

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22 minutes ago, kbutton said:

I honestly don't know. They fit in pretty well with gifted cousins that they don't see often, but that part of the family is largely socialized to be inclusive of various income levels and don't really see the lesser educated/not go-getter family members as not living up to their potential or uninteresting as people. We have smart blue collar workers and smart engineers and everything in between. 

I think you’d fit in where we are, if I had to guess.

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1 hour ago, Corraleno said:

Because totally closing the school and sending everyone home for at least two weeks, with no virtual or remote learning, is apparently so much better for children than wearing masks? The fact that liars and propagandists have managed to convince so many people that having an entire town shut down and people being airlifted to hospitals hours away to die alone = "freedom," but getting a safe, effective shot that would prevent this = "tyranny," is mind-boggling, maddening, and just really really sad.

 

Let me pop some context around Iraan, Texas. It's population is about 1200. The school district, which includes a different town, Sheffield, has <350 people. The nearest Walmart or anything is down I-10 in Fort Stockton. It's just a small place in the middle of open and relatively empty west Texas.

Texas law says that if you miss more than 10 days of school, you are considered truant.  Your absences with a doctor's note MAY be excused. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have a mask mandate. I'm saying that given the outbreak, limited access to healthcare, and staffing and truancy laws, it was smart of them to shut school down.

My relative is a Texas schoolteacher and her back to school photo with no mask, and no one in her class masked, has me irate. I think she's a blooming idiot, and selfish to boot. But I also know, as a former Texan, that a lot of decision making in that state is not made with the same value priority list that people in many other states have. 

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5 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

I think you’d fit in where we are, if I had to guess.

Aw, thanks! I'd need an entire tutorial for how to navigate a city (I have zero city skills), but I appreciate the vote of confidence. :-) 

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1 hour ago, mommyoffive said:

Wasn't even that draconian; they must just be focused. I have a Chinese tutor who I meet with online weekly. She was in Nanjing just before this hit, went to Shanghai the next week to try to get a visa (she's studying abroad in the fall) and while there had a picnic in the park with friends, unmasked and singing no less (they took a cute video), though the visa attempt didn't work (bureaucracy) and she went back to Nanjing the next week for another attempt (so not exactly locked down anymore) where she needed a negative Covid test to get in to the government building (which she had), but all that seems hardly draconian...

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So, we are in California and are staying at home from here on out except for daily swim practice in an outdoor pool. 
 

Dh and middle daughter are in Texas selling our house there. Buyer has 3 elementary aged kids going to school in person. The whole family now has Covid one week into the school year. 
 

The dad was in our house on Friday. Dh and Dd were both wearing masks. The mom came by on Saturday when Dh was doing a repair outside. I don’t think he was masked because he didn’t know anyone was coming. 
 

My family members are staying with neighbors who are both elderly and immune compromised. I told them to pack up now, and go stay in the empty house. I’m so glad to be on the other side of the country right now! 

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41 minutes ago, kbutton said:

Aw, thanks! I'd need an entire tutorial for how to navigate a city (I have zero city skills), but I appreciate the vote of confidence. 🙂

I just meant people-wise 🙂 . But yes, it’s its own thing!

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1 hour ago, mommyoffive said:

AWwww  Yay.   So glad you found that church.    I hope you can find more safe activities for them.   I think of you often during all these FL surges and how stressful and hard that is to go through.  Trying to keep it together for the kids, keep them safe, and also give them activities and experiences.  

 

1 hour ago, Faith-manor said:

I cried when I read this! Bless them for caring about children enough to do the right thing, and spend the money to make it special!!!!!

Thank you both!

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I made 2 trips to Walgreens this weekend. On trip #1, I overheard two different people asked the pharmacist about Invermectin. I heard the pharmacy tech tell one of the guys that he could try the feed store. 😬

On the second trip, a woman was getting her 2nd COVID shot. 

 

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3 hours ago, kbutton said:

In our former church, many people who were members as of the beginning of the pandemic (some of whom may have left like we did) are advocating for laws that strip the governor of power or disallow hospital systems and other businesses to require vaccines, etc. One person literally is asking people to fast and pray to get another of these laws passed. She's copied dozens of people from that church on her post to recruit them to fast and pray. 

 

I wonder if they've considered asking people to fast and pray for all the people currently hospitalized with Covid? When the concern is higher for not wanting to do anything to protect others than it is for the very health and lives of others, that's a very strange flavor of Christianity.

2 hours ago, Corraleno said:

The fact that liars and propagandists have managed to convince so many people that having an entire town shut down and people being airlifted to hospitals hours away to die alone = "freedom," but getting a safe, effective shot that would prevent this = "tyranny," is mind-boggling, maddening, and just really really sad.

QFT

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3 hours ago, Carolina Wren said:

I cannot fathom people not only not caring if they spread SARS-CoV-2, but looking to go so far as to remove protections from measles, polio, etc., as well. I... like.... you have a right to die, perhaps, but not to kill the rest of us.

A comment left today by another acquaintance in favor of the bill (who has huge influence locally), called a lack of choice to vaccinated or not "medical r@pe." But it's not medical r@pe to be exposed to diseases by people who ought to be willing to vaccinate and have no choice in the matter or way to know you might be exposed. 

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12 minutes ago, kbutton said:

A comment left today by another acquaintance in favor of the bill (who has huge influence locally), called a lack of choice to vaccinated or not "medical r@pe." But it's not medical r@pe to be exposed to diseases by people who ought to be willing to vaccinate and have no choice in the matter or way to know you might be exposed. 

Okay then. If that is the terminology that is going to be used, then let us turn that back around. Their choice makes them Bio Terrorists. 

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7 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

I made 2 trips to Walgreens this weekend. On trip #1, I overheard two different people asked the pharmacist about Invermectin. I heard the pharmacy tech tell one of the guys that he could try the feed store. 😬

On the second trip, a woman was getting her 2nd COVID shot. 

 

Someone got an Ivermectin Rx filled at Walgreens today. They were also picking up doxy, pred, and albuterol for their friend/family member. It's the Covid starter pack. (Person was unmasked)

I was one of six people in line. Only one other guy was masked. The girl behind me kept creeping up near me, and then I heard her call someone to ask if she needed her insurance card for the covid test she was there to get. 

The two people ahead of me were yucking it up about how they got over Covid. One guy was firmly opposed to vaccinating. The other guy was there to get his first jab. 

My nerves are shot today. 

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1 hour ago, calbear said:

crossposted on the mammoth thread:

This new study from GA Tech & North Carolina State makes me 😲 and so glad I am homeschooling.

https://news.yahoo.com/new-study-paints-dire-picture-for-unmasked-unvaxxed-students-134456316.html

I do expect schools to be a disaster this year 😕 . And so many people are sending their kids this time.... 

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On 8/21/2021 at 2:04 PM, ktgrok said:

The bit about Florida reachiing herd immunity is sort of good news I guess...the cost is to too high given that Orland may be out of drinking water by then and people are dying daily. Plus...how do you really ever have herd immunity in a place full of tourists and vacation home owners? 

The UK hasn't hit herd immunity despite 92% of the population having detectable antibodies, so I'm a bit sceptical of the research.

I think people need to stop being bored of being in a pandemic. COVID isn't bored of us.

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5 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

I do expect schools to be a disaster this year 😕 . And so many people are sending their kids this time.... 

Agreed. I see nothing but tragedy for this next school year. Honestly, if parents could find a way to keep their kids home with Khan Academy, Magic School Bus, PBS, and  a lot of good books to read, their kids will likely learn a lot more than sending them to school and won't be risking their health. Our local district has had so many teachers retire and quit as well as parapros, bus drivers, and support staff that they really can't hold school, mostly all they can offer is a holding pen for the herd. Classroom square footage is too small for 55-60 kids per class, and even if they did that, kids aren't going to learn in such an egregious student to teacher ratio. It will be chaos. I really believe they will spend most of their days watching movies in the gym, and being pulled out in smaller groups for 10 minutes of math, 10 minutes of reading with the remaining faculty members. No online option is being offered from the district. Their tech people quit as well. They have no one to manage it logistically, and can't divert remaining teachers attention to it. It will be nothing more than a year of zero education, and sick, hospitalized, and potentially dying children spreading it to home and hearth. I weep for the children who will be subjected to this.

I am so grateful that our 5.5 year old grandson is being home schooled. I am grateful that we have an income good enough to help them so dd did not have to go back into the work force this year and enroll.him in school, and our toddler grandson in daycare. I cannot even describe how grateful I am!

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8 minutes ago, ieta_cassiopeia said:

The UK hasn't hit herd immunity despite 92% of the population having detectable antibodies, so I'm a bit sceptical of the research.

I think people need to stop being bored of being in a pandemic. COVID isn't bored of us.

This. And since covid is such a harsh attack on the immune system, some of these folks who get it are not going to form long term immunity. Sweden went for natural herd immunity and their experiment has been a frightening failure.

This is similar to being at war. Covid19 is the enemy, and right now that enemy is attacking on every border. We have to stay the course, stay strong, strike back. If only there was some way to convince the AWOL folks that they have to fight too!

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45 minutes ago, ieta_cassiopeia said:

The UK hasn't hit herd immunity despite 92% of the population having detectable antibodies, so I'm a bit sceptical of the research.

I think people need to stop being bored of being in a pandemic. COVID isn't bored of us.

I’m really bored of being in a pandemic, lol. But who’s asking me?? That doesn’t make it end.

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6 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

I do expect schools to be a disaster this year 😕 . And so many people are sending their kids this time.... 

Numbers by me have been holding surprisingly steady. Which isn’t exactly good, but I expected it to be worse.  
School starts next week though. And I don’t see a single thing about real precautions except for on busses, because that falls under public transportation.

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2 minutes ago, Carrie12345 said:

Numbers by me have been holding surprisingly steady. Which isn’t exactly good, but I expected it to be worse.  
School starts next week though. And I don’t see a single thing about real precautions except for on busses, because that falls under public transportation.

Yeah, they’ve been steady here, too. But that’s before we stuff all the unvaccinated kids together indoors for 8 hours a day 🙄

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Yeah - the school year changes everything - we now have ages 5-14 as our biggest segment of new cases. 20% of new cases fall. into the category. 

we are sacrificing our kids...for what? I don't even know. 

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1 hour ago, Faith-manor said:

Agreed. I see nothing but tragedy for this next school year. Honestly, if parents could find a way to keep their kids home with Khan Academy, Magic School Bus, PBS, and  a lot of good books to read, their kids will likely learn a lot more than sending them to school and won't be risking their health. Our local district has had so many teachers retire and quit as well as parapros, bus drivers, and support staff that they really can't hold school, mostly all they can offer is a holding pen for the herd. Classroom square footage is too small for 55-60 kids per class, and even if they did that, kids aren't going to learn in such an egregious student to teacher ratio. It will be chaos. I really believe they will spend most of their days watching movies in the gym, and being pulled out in smaller groups for 10 minutes of math, 10 minutes of reading with the remaining faculty members. No online option is being offered from the district. Their tech people quit as well. They have no one to manage it logistically, and can't divert remaining teachers attention to it. It will be nothing more than a year of zero education, and sick, hospitalized, and potentially dying children spreading it to home and hearth. I weep for the children who will be subjected to this.

I am so grateful that our 5.5 year old grandson is being home schooled. I am grateful that we have an income good enough to help them so dd did not have to go back into the work force this year and enroll.him in school, and our toddler grandson in daycare. I cannot even describe how grateful I am!

One of my friends is the cafeteria manager for a public high school. She has 5 unfilled spots on her team, and her school has 9 teaching spots unfilled and another 6 paraprofessional and classified spots unfilled. They had 11 staff out yesterday. She thinks the only way it would work is if the governor would allow them to do hybrid and alternating days, so they only have half the kids. And it still won't help much since it seems like entire departments are being taken out at the same time, so, for example, they had 8 math teachers out yesterday!

 

What's even worse-her district superintendent is bucking the governor and continuing to require masks. 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Dmmetler said:

One of my friends is the cafeteria manager for a public high school. She has 5 unfilled spots on her team, and her school has 9 teaching spots unfilled and another 6 paraprofessional and classified spots unfilled. They had 11 staff out yesterday. She thinks the only way it would work is if the governor would allow them to do hybrid and alternating days, so they only have half the kids. And it still won't help much since it seems like entire departments are being taken out at the same time, so, for example, they had 8 math teachers out yesterday!

 

What's even worse-her district superintendent is bucking the governor and continuing to require masks. 

 

 

Yep. Where does it end? I know three high school seniors starting school today all in ap's and honors and no teachers for their classes. Out with covid or quit. I told their parents to pull them out of school, put them in DE online or in person at the community college who is taking this very seriously, and has masks, social distancing, and a high rate of faculty, staff, and students vaxed, then apply to college and trade school as home schooled students, get their transcripts from the school, add the D.E., and bypass the public school which will really only be public daycare for teens this year.

But they don't think they can do this or that their kids can manage. I said if your child cannot handle two DE community college classes each semester to finish out the year giving them 12 -16 college credits spread over two semesters, then they can't handle full time college or trade school next year. They are less than a year from voting, being fully legally responsible for themselves, and having to make tough decisions. Seems to me you have a major problem on your hands if they can't manage very part time community college gen eds, but think they will be ready for full time university in a year. But oh well, what do I know! LOL. Too many parents cannot think outside the box or want to bury their heads in the sand. I weep for every college. If they think the 2021 freshman class is under-prepared, they better seriously brace themselves for the 2022 class. I weep for the students who will fill these classes. It is not going to be pretty! These students brains will be mush from a year of doing nothing surrounded by chaos, and all because the supposed grown ups in leadership are evil, narcissistic bastards who did not give a crap about them!

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19 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

I don't mean that you'd be in a school program. Just that there'd be more intense, odd-ish kids around. Do you think I'm off-base? 

My intense, odd-ish kid hates hanging out with other intense, odd-ish kids.  He much prefers to blend in as much as he possibly can with “average” kids.

19 hours ago, kbutton said:

Oh, gosh, no. My kids fit recreationally into a gifted enrichment program (most of the time) that didn't have assignments, grades, etc., but those top out at age 14, and by the time the kids are that age, they've taken most of what they're interested in and just done. As long as we didn't talk about 2e stuff (except to share book recommendations in a parent seminar), and as long as actual school stuff didn't come up, my kids (mostly) blended in. But people did seem to want to like us and have something in common, lol! And I was involved on a volunteer level when I could be, which meant meeting some nice people for a time. 

It felt like imposter syndrome externalized, lol!!! It's really nice when people notice your kids even in a group of "certified" gifted kids, but it's a real conversation stopper when you can't hold a follow up conversation with them about First Lego League, DE, and geometry in 7th grade, etc. (other than nodding along and hoping they wouldn't ask where my kids were in any subject). Much like how I feel in any topic on the AL boards here. I just don't check them anymore. 

Frankly, I get it.  The only reason we’ve stayed where we live, which is horrible for me socially and career wise, is because we need to stay near family. My kids would never be able to do much of anything because the world is geared towards always having two parents available, and we usually don’t.

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1 minute ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle said:

My intense, odd-ish kid hates hanging out with other intense, odd-ish kids.  He much prefers to blend in as much as he possibly can with “average” kids.

Interesting. Definitely not the case for my kids, but obviously kids vary 🙂 . 

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1 hour ago, Dmmetler said:

One of my friends is the cafeteria manager for a public high school. She has 5 unfilled spots on her team, and her school has 9 teaching spots unfilled and another 6 paraprofessional and classified spots unfilled. They had 11 staff out yesterday. She thinks the only way it would work is if the governor would allow them to do hybrid and alternating days, so they only have half the kids. And it still won't help much since it seems like entire departments are being taken out at the same time, so, for example, they had 8 math teachers out yesterday!

What's even worse-her district superintendent is bucking the governor and continuing to require masks. 

I have to say I don't blame them. If I were a teacher and I was forced to go into work and I had any kind of choice, I'd quit. 

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2 hours ago, Faith-manor said:

 

But they don't think they can do this or that their kids can manage. I said if your child cannot handle two DE community college classes each semester to finish out the year giving them 12 -16 college credits spread over two semesters, then they can't handle full time college or trade school next year. They are less than a year from voting, being fully legally responsible for themselves, and having to make tough decisions. Seems to me you have a major problem on your hands if they can't manage very part time community college gen eds, but think they will be ready for full time university in a year. But oh well, what do I know! LOL. Too many parents cannot think outside the box or want to bury their heads in the sand. I weep for every college. 

I am a parent who is sending a kid to high school who has no good choices. The local cc is not requiring vaccines and suspended a lot of their trade school classes. I can send my kid to plague high school where he can do electronics and construction classes and he can graduate with an accredited diploma in a few years or I can withdraw him, (knowing he won’t be able to go back to public high school without retaking classes) and homeschool but then he will graduate with a non-accredited diploma which makes him harder to place for an apprenticeship under current state guidelines. He isn’t likely to get s college degree due to severe learning disabilities.

Sometimes all of the choices are bad ones. I don’t have my head in the sand nor am I stuck in a box. My kid and I are dealing with what life handed us and picking the least worse option given the totality of the circumstances. I suspect they are too.

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21 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said:

I am a parent who is sending a kid to high school who has no good choices. The local cc is not requiring vaccines and suspended a lot of their trade school classes. I can send my kid to plague high school where he can do electronics and construction classes and he can graduate with an accredited diploma in a few years or I can withdraw him, (knowing he won’t be able to go back to public high school without retaking classes) and homeschool but then he will graduate with a non-accredited diploma which makes him harder to place for an apprenticeship under current state guidelines. He isn’t likely to get s college degree due to severe learning disabilities.

Sometimes all of the choices are bad ones. I don’t have my head in the sand nor am I stuck in a box. My kid and I are dealing with what life handed us and picking the least worse option given the totality of the circumstances. I suspect they are too.

I get that! I know a lot of people are stuck. I should have added the caveat that I was venting about the situations foe these three seniors. They were former rocket team members so I am close and seeing this is hard. A local retired teacher hosted an "options besides School X who is acting like there is no pandemic out there and has no teaching staff so your kids a screwed" zoom meeting in which really great options WERE offered. Not only is the taking it seriously CC bending over backwards to help high school seniors, there were a LOT of offerings. One was pod schools. Get your kid vaccinated, guarantee they where masks, and they can come to school pods, and the dollar amount for this was insanely low, I mean just a give away. These are teachers who quit in protest and to protect their health but are passionate about teaching and still have their licenses so it is perfectly legal. I was asked to speak. And I had the horror of watching two of the three seniors breaking down, crying, begging mom and dad to not send them back to PS and try one of the options offers. The bottom line was I don't really know why the parents even bothered to log into the meeting. I think they wanted to whine about the PS, but not actually do anything.

It was a vent. I am sorry. I know a lot of people get stuck with nothing but crappy choices. So it really makes me angry when there are appropriate choices offered and they won't consider them, and then exponentially hurt because I care very much about these three kids. But, by law, I can tutor them only but not home school them because I let my teaching license lapse. I can only homeschool children for whom I am the parent or guardian. So I can't really help them, and that breaks my heart!

Again, my apologies.

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33 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

I get that! I know a lot of people are stuck. I should have added the caveat that I was venting about the situations foe these three seniors. They were former rocket team members so I am close and seeing this is hard. A local retired teacher hosted an "options besides School X who is acting like there is no pandemic out there and has no teaching staff so your kids a screwed" zoom meeting in which really great options WERE offered. Not only is the taking it seriously CC bending over backwards to help high school seniors, there were a LOT of offerings. One was pod schools. Get your kid vaccinated, guarantee they where masks, and they can come to school pods, and the dollar amount for this was insanely low, I mean just a give away. These are teachers who quit in protest and to protect their health but are passionate about teaching and still have their licenses so it is perfectly legal. I was asked to speak. And I had the horror of watching two of the three seniors breaking down, crying, begging mom and dad to not send them back to PS and try one of the options offers. The bottom line was I don't really know why the parents even bothered to log into the meeting. I think they wanted to whine about the PS, but not actually do anything.

It was a vent. I am sorry. I know a lot of people get stuck with nothing but crappy choices. So it really makes me angry when there are appropriate choices offered and they won't consider them, and then exponentially hurt because I care very much about these three kids. But, by law, I can tutor them only but not home school them because I let my teaching license lapse. I can only homeschool children for whom I am the parent or guardian. So I can't really help them, and that breaks my heart!

Again, my apologies.

Thank you!

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Wow, just looked at the Covidactnow map!   Other than 2 states in the midwest only the northeast isn't red now.  Back to being red, that is more stressful.  And schools haven't even started yet.  In my college town the kids are back in town. 

 

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Around half the people at the store were masked.  A lot more than just a few months ago.

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Well, Orange County here in Florida finally got with it and declared a mask mandate for schools for the next 60 days. Why on earth they had to wait to see for themselves how badly this was going is beyond me. they should have done this before school started. Better late than never. 

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56 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

Man, the irony is killing me... this is THE YEAR that schools should be shut down. Not last year. Not March 2020. 

I've thought that too and now the schools will never shut down again. 

It's hard to know what would have happened if everything hadn't shut down in March of 2020. Would the first wave have been worse? Here in AZ, it seems like the shutdown (we were only shut down here from mid March through mid May 2020) was premature in hindsight. 

It's so hard to know what's going on. It seems to be spreading through the schools here. Hospitalizations are up but only one positive case has been reported at DD's school so far. Kids are getting sick but not with COVID. 

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8 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

It's hard to know what would have happened if everything hadn't shut down in March of 2020. Would the first wave have been worse? Here in AZ, it seems like the shutdown (we were only shut down here from mid March through mid May 2020) was premature in hindsight. 

I don't think the shutdowns made all that much sense for any place but the Northeast, and they came too late there. 

We've never had any kind of coordinated strategy for any of this and it shows. 50 states deciding independently is just a hot mess. Most people locked down because it was some kind of screwed up domino effect. 

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15 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

I don't think the shutdowns made all that much sense for any place but the Northeast, and they came too late there. 

We've never had any kind of coordinated strategy for any of this and it shows. 50 states deciding independently is just a hot mess. Most people locked down because it was some kind of screwed up domino effect. 

I think that in my area of my state, the lockdowns were effective.  But most people also were in compliance with masking (my estimate was at least 90% compliance in my county).  It was actually quite rare to see someone without a mask when there was a mandate.  Now that there is a mandate again, people have gone back to good compliance.  In addition, there is a good percentage of vaccinations in my county (77% with two jabs in my county and in my area of the county it's 93.3% with two jabs. )  Mitigation works. 

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9 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

I think that in my area of my state, the lockdowns were effective.  But most people also were in compliance with masking (my estimate was at least 90% compliance in my county).  It was actually quite rare to see someone without a mask when there was a mandate.  Now that there is a mandate again, people have gone back to good compliance.  In addition, there is a good percentage of vaccinations in my county (77% with two jabs in my county and in my area of the county it's 93.3% with two jabs. )  Mitigation works. 

I just think the fact that there wasn't any coordination made lots of things costlier and less effective. I'm not against lockdowns AT ALL. Obviously, mitigation is a good idea in a pandemic. But it was all inept and chaotic. 

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