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Just now, Not_a_Number said:

Do you guys think it's worth getting the N95s, or would our Happy Masks do? 

I was all for quality cloth masks all the way, until things changed around January with alpha being more transmissible. We all went to KF94s indoors at that point. With delta, I really want to wear the best mask I possibly can. We have a mix of KF94 and N95 now. The KF94s filter just as well, and they have a good fit on us, but they have ear loops instead of head straps. I will now start using the N95 for the highest risk things (doctor’s appointments, for example). I haven’t seen kids’ n95s, so my younger kids wear kids’ kf94s, which have a nice fit on them. 

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15 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

Do you guys think it's worth getting the N95s, or would our Happy Masks do? 

Personally--I can't tolerate N95s. I know lots of people claim they have no problem breathing in one for hours and hours, but OTOH many medical people say a properly fitted one (fit tested) is hard to tolerate for more than a few minutes. I've never had one fit tested, but just using my best self educated effort at proper fitting -- I can't do it. More than a few minutes and I'm struggling for a good breath and starting to sweat and overheat.

And I guess that's a long way of saying that if I were you and if I wanted to try N95s I'd just buy one or a small pack (whatever is the least quantity you can get) and see if you can tolerate it before buying a significant quantity.

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21 hours ago, Corraleno said:

I'm not one of the folks who said they wouldn't lock down again (I haven't actually "unlocked" that much), but recent data is definitely changing my perception of risk and my willingness to do things I was OK with a month ago. For example, DS is currently home for two weeks and the plan was for us to drive back to his university together (2400 miles cross country) so he could have his car there this year, and then I would fly home. I was OK with that a month ago, when cases were 1/5th of what they are now, but I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea now, and I think the situation will be even worse two weeks from now. But if DS doesn't have a car there this year, he may have to miss practice two days/week because the bus schedule won't allow him to get there and back in time to shower, change, and get to early classes on those days. I'm thinking of just having him use Uber on those days, and I'll eat the cost. The idea of spending four days driving through states with low vax rates and no masking, staying in motels, using public restrooms, going into crowded gas stations and places to get food, just seems like a really terrible idea right now.

You’ll still need places to sleep, but otherwise can you take a cooler for food and/or scout out places to grab takeout en route? I usually map out taco places on road trips; lots of restaurants are still offering curbside pickup so you can avoid a lot of contact there. Restroom stops don’t lake long inside (and places like grocery stores are usually cleaner and less used than gas stations, while also providing healthier food options). I’m torn on hotels as well, but would you feel more comfortable staying in air B&bs or similar instead? Or… camp (or sleep in your car) along the way? 
 

I get your hesitation; we have a potential big trip coming up involving air travel and I’m really torn, too. But there might be some options for a driving trip? 

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I checked with my physician siblings. They say that a negative COVID test after symptoms present is rare, even with the Delta variant. We confirmed that it was a PCR test. 

We're going to stay home today and DH will get another test tomorrow but it appears that the negative result is accurate and DH got another virus. 

He's much better today. 

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7 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

I checked with my physician siblings. They say that a negative COVID test after symptoms present is rare, even with the Delta variant. We confirmed that it was a PCR test. 

We're going to stay home today and DH will get another test tomorrow but it appears that the negative result is accurate and DH got another virus. 

He's much better today. 

We need a fingers crossed emoji. 🤞🤞🤞

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41 minutes ago, KSera said:

The problem with KN95s is that there are a lot of counterfeit ones that don’t meet the standard. Some are legit and some are not, but it’s hard to know what you’re getting. So far, N95 and KF94 hasn’t has that problem. 

 

Do you suppose the KF94s on Amazon are reliable, or do you know of a more reputable place to buy them? I’m leery of buying fakes.

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40 minutes ago, KSera said:

I was all for quality cloth masks all the way, until things changed around January with alpha being more transmissible. We all went to KF94s indoors at that point. With delta, I really want to wear the best mask I possibly can. We have a mix of KF94 and N95 now. The KF94s filter just as well, and they have a good fit on us, but they have ear loops instead of head straps. I will now start using the N95 for the highest risk things (doctor’s appointments, for example). I haven’t seen kids’ n95s, so my younger kids wear kids’ kf94s, which have a nice fit on them. 

Happy Masks are filter masks, though. 

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29 minutes ago, MEmama said:

Do you suppose the KF94s on Amazon are reliable, or do you know of a more reputable place to buy them? I’m leery of buying fakes.

Someone already posted about Wirecutter.

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32 minutes ago, MEmama said:

Do you suppose the KF94s on Amazon are reliable, or do you know of a more reputable place to buy them? I’m leery of buying fakes.

There are several sites regarded as reliable. I use www.behealthyusa.net. If you order from there, make sure you look at the top of the screen for a discount code, because they almost always have one, but it doesn't apply automatically.

For data folks, I really like the data Aaron Collins has put together on tons of masks (mostly KF94s)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M0mdNLpTWEGcluK6hh5LjjcFixwmOG853Ff45d3O-L0/edit#gid=1976839763

 

This FAQ shows his test setup: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13EsjfMshfC1Cvds37pmWSwBEdc6djfJ0YtFwkHM0wIQ/edit

I particularly like that he tests them as worn, not just the fabric itself

I see he just addressed Happy Masks in a Reddit post:

And a video comparing kids masks. This was before he tested the POSH kids masks, which are my favorite for small faces. He has since tested them, and they tested very well:

 

eta: if shopping for KF94s, the boat style ones fit a lot more faces a lot better than the bifold style. I hadn't even tried the bifold until lately for that reason, but recently added a couple to an order to try, and they don't fit any of us around the chin.

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27 minutes ago, Matryoshka said:

And with N99 filters.  Now, not sure if they'd pass a hospital level fit, but the same is true for disposable K/N/F95s.

And they said they tested the filter after washing… plus, they stay on nicely. 

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18 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

And they said they tested the filter after washing… plus, they stay on nicely. 

Yes, tested up to 50 washings, and I get a nice fit. I like that they come in sizes - I can talk and they don't slide down.

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Happy Masks FTW over here. The best mask to use is the best quality one that my family will wear. I personally know a lot of doctors, dentists, and optometrists I went to school with who buy this for their families.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Matryoshka said:

Yes, tested up to 50 washings, and I get a nice fit. I like that they come in sizes - I can talk and they don't slide down.

I love ours. I'm now just thinking whether I need to upgrade, lol. 

I think my kids would mutiny if I took the Happy Masks away, though. They picked their patterns and are quite attached to them. I just ordered a whole bunch more as spares 😄 

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Just now, calbear said:

Honestly, it's the only one I can stand using for long periods of time. I have sensitive skin and prone to irritation.

Have you tried any of the KN94 ones? I know I like Happy Masks better than anything else I've tried, but it's not like I've done an exhaustive search... I just know that they stay on and don't bother me and get a good seal and have a filter. 

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2 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

DH got sick Thursday night and had a COVID test yesterday. The Urgent Care NP told him his symptoms were classic COVID symptoms. We just got the results, negative. 

So now we're in a quandary. Trust the results? He's feeling better today. 

 

What would you do with the info?

I am super cautious about doing things that contribute to the spread of covid, but I also think that contributing to the spread of viruses with covid symptoms is really problematic right now, because people with those viruses are still going to need to miss work and experience other hardships.

So, unless I had high risk household members, I'd probably take the same precautions (e.g. not going to work in person, no shopping for household members, no socializing) whether it was covid or something else. 

I'm pretty pessimistic about preventing covid transmission in the household, unless there is a situation like @ktgrok 's where the person wasn't at home in the lead up to becoming symptomatic, and they are willing to take dramatic steps.   We would take steps to separate my GFIL from anyone who got sick, because at 90 he's high risk, but otherwise, I'd probably take the same steps between me and my kids that I'd take if one of us had a nasty cold or the flu.  

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I actually got my first happy mask this week.  We've been using Old Navy fabric masks for the most part though I do have a box of N95 we've used when it was really awful and we had to go for a dental appt or whatever.  But we just didn't go in places usually and if we did it was super in and out.  And then this summer numbers were so low, I was fine with them too.  

Anyway, this week there is terrible smoke from the Canadian Wildfires.  We've had the worst on record air quality ever here.  I wore my happy mask out of a building this week when I walked out to my car.  I usually take my mask off when I get out as long as I'm not in a busy spot but I was carrying a bunch of stuff.  I was AMAZED, I could not even smell the smoke through that mask!  I am sold and going to order some for the teens and will try to convince DH too.  

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13 minutes ago, BaseballandHockey said:

What would you do with the info?

I am super cautious about doing things that contribute to the spread of covid, but I also think that contributing to the spread of viruses with covid symptoms is really problematic right now, because people with those viruses are still going to need to miss work and experience other hardships.

So, unless I had high risk household members, I'd probably take the same precautions (e.g. not going to work in person, no shopping for household members, no socializing) whether it was covid or something else. 

I'm pretty pessimistic about preventing covid transmission in the household, unless there is a situation like @ktgrok 's where the person wasn't at home in the lead up to becoming symptomatic, and they are willing to take dramatic steps.   We would take steps to separate my GFIL from anyone who got sick, because at 90 he's high risk, but otherwise, I'd probably take the same steps between me and my kids that I'd take if one of us had a nasty cold or the flu.  

That's a good point. I'm not sure DH could stay home from work all next week with a negative result though. We scheduled another test tomorrow and he'll work from home until he gets the results. 

DD begins school the week after next so there are several back to school activities next week. If DH's 2nd test results are negative, I think we should be able to attend these events if DH's symptoms are gone. IDK. I'm sure that someone would tell me that wasn't advised but DD really wants to go to these events and see her friends. Ugg...

We've tried to keep DH and DD separated. DH is saying in the master bedroom as much as possible and I'm sleeping in another room. I'm sure it isn't doing much good but it's better than nothing. 

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17 minutes ago, FuzzyCatz said:

I actually got my first happy mask this week.  We've been using Old Navy fabric masks for the most part though I do have a box of N95 we've used when it was really awful and we had to go for a dental appt or whatever.  But we just didn't go in places usually and if we did it was super in and out.  And then this summer numbers were so low, I was fine with them too.  

Anyway, this week there is terrible smoke from the Canadian Wildfires.  We've had the worst on record air quality ever here.  I wore my happy mask out of a building this week when I walked out of a building to my car.  I usually take my mask off when I get out as long as I'm not in a busy spot but I was carrying a bunch of stuff.  I was AMAZED, I could not even smell the smoke through that mask!  I am sold and going to order some for the teens and will try to convince DH too.  

That's good to hear! 

We used to use mostly cloth, then we tried a surgical masks (which felt too hard to keep on and too flimsy), then another cloth mask with an insertable filter, which was nice but fussy (and also way too warm for summer!), then we finally tried Happy Masks and have been super pleased with them for all of us. 

But all the talk about the other masks is making me wonder if the grass is greener, lol. 

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1 minute ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

That's a good point. I'm not sure DH could stay home from work all next week with a negative result though. We scheduled another test tomorrow and he'll work from home until he gets the results. 

DD begins school the week after next so there are several back to school activities next week. If DH's 2nd test results are negative, I think we should be able to attend these events if DH's symptoms are gone. IDK. I'm sure that someone would tell me that wasn't advised but DD really wants to go to these events and see her friends. Ugg...

Yes, I was thinking more in terms of steps to take before the second test.  I think if he tests negative again, I'd be comfortable going back to indoor things after he's symptom free.  

1 minute ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

We've tried to keep DH and DD separated. DH is saying in the master bedroom as much as possible and I'm sleeping in another room. I'm sure it isn't doing much good but it's better than nothing. 

Yeah, I think those precautions make sense.  I would do them anyway with a nasty cold or a flu or something because I don't want that either. Especially if a cold/flu had the potential to mess up orientation or the first day of school. 

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2 hours ago, Pawz4me said:

Personally--I can't tolerate N95s. I know lots of people claim they have no problem breathing in one for hours and hours, but OTOH many medical people say a properly fitted one (fit tested) is hard to tolerate for more than a few minutes. I've never had one fit tested, but just using my best self educated effort at proper fitting -- I can't do it. More than a few minutes and I'm struggling for a good breath and starting to sweat and overheat.

And I guess that's a long way of saying that if I were you and if I wanted to try N95s I'd just buy one or a small pack (whatever is the least quantity you can get) and see if you can tolerate it before buying a significant quantity.

I honestly can’t tolerate an N95. And my work ones are properly fitted. I can manage about 20 minutes and then I get too hot, even it winter.  We are back to just using surgical masks and those are fine.

My kids struggle with any heavy mask. I know some people are fine, but I’d definitely try it out before investing money in them.

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My kids use the Kn95 ones and are totally fine in them.  They even do ballet classes in them.  They say it is a bit hard sometimes, but they fell more comfortable in them because of the protection level.

I have a harder time in and them and would prefer a surgical.  But for indoor things I am sticking with that for now.

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51 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

Have you tried any of the KN94 ones? I know I like Happy Masks better than anything else I've tried, but it's not like I've done an exhaustive search... I just know that they stay on and don't bother me and get a good seal and have a filter. 

I have a Happy Mask as well and personally prefer the KF94s. They have a much better face fit, especially around the nose (I find the Happy Mask face wire a little wimpy), and they feel more breathable to me when wearing. YMMV. You can get a mix and match 10 Pack of KF94 for about the same price as 1 Happy Mask if you want to decide once and for all if the grass is greener. I highly recommend the Bluna for fit and adjustable ear loops. BOTN, too, though the BOTN runs bigger, so I would get the medium for most women and smaller men, and the large only for people with big faces. BOTN and Bluna both make a kids mask that is just like the adult but smaller. I like both, but the POSH is my preferred for smaller faces. I don’t recommend masks with non adjustable ear loops unless you’re willing to tie knots or add adjusters or ear savers. 

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3 hours ago, rebcoola said:

Now our hospital is full and several branches of the sheriff's office are closed due to Covid outbreaks.  So maybe we will just go full on bunker at this rate.

I'm ready to build a compound, lol

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8 minutes ago, KSera said:

I have a Happy Mask as well and personally prefer the KF94s. They have a much better face fit, especially around the nose (I find the Happy Mask face wire a little wimpy), and they feel more breathable to me when wearing. YMMV. You can get a mix and match 10 Pack of KF94 for about the same price as 1 Happy Mask if you want to decide once and for all if the grass is greener. I highly recommend the Bluna for fit and adjustable ear loops. BOTN, too, though the BOTN runs bigger, so I would get the medium for most women and smaller men, and the large only for people with big faces. BOTN and Bluna both make a kids mask that is just like the adult but smaller. I like both, but the POSH is my preferred for smaller faces. I don’t recommend masks with non adjustable ear loops unless you’re willing to tie knots or add adjusters or ear savers. 

Ooh, DH doesn't fit in most masks - he has a BIG head. I'm going to order some of the BOTN ones in large for him!

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Just now, ktgrok said:

Ooh, DH doesn't fit in most masks - he has a BIG head. I'm going to order some of the BOTN ones in large for him!

Yes! They are perfect for those big headed guys! 😂 

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2 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Ooh, DH doesn't fit in most masks - he has a BIG head. I'm going to order some of the BOTN ones in large for him!

FYI - some (not all) colors of Happy Masks come in EXTRA-large!  (Although they currently seem to be all sold out through Aug 2nd... we're not the only ones restocking, apparently!)

Both dh and I wear larges, two of my (adult) kids wear M and the other also wears a L.  Worth taking out the measuring tape!

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7 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Ooh, DH doesn't fit in most masks - he has a BIG head. I'm going to order some of the BOTN ones in large for him!

Seconding @Matryoshka's recommendation for the XL Happy Mask. That's what my 6'7" son wears, and he has a really big head (I have the C section scar to prove it, lol)

 

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6 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

Seconding @Matryoshka's recommendation for the XL Happy Mask. That's what my 6'7" son wears, and he has a really big head (I have the C section scar to prove it, lol)

 

 

13 minutes ago, Matryoshka said:

FYI - some (not all) colors of Happy Masks come in EXTRA-large!  (Although they currently seem to be all sold out through Aug 2nd... we're not the only ones restocking, apparently!)

Both dh and I wear larges, two of my (adult) kids wear M and the other also wears a L.  Worth taking out the measuring tape!

Oh, I'll check. I wear a medium I think, same size as DD11, DS22 wears a large,  but the large I got for DH was too small for him. 

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2 hours ago, ktgrok said:

Ooh, DH doesn't fit in most masks - he has a BIG head. I'm going to order some of the BOTN ones in large for him!

Please report when you do. We are having similar fit issues with my Viking of a husband. We can get a good with contractor grade N95 but that is it. We have yet to find a surgical or KN or anything else that works. We are needing more width from nose bridge to chin by at 2 cm.

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It's been really interesting watching the US and the UK graphs, I have to say. Very edifying. You can see that the UK graph went very high in cases but not in anything else -- not hospitalizations or deaths. 

The US graph, with its sporadic vaccinations, will not look like that. 

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DH says he thinks we should stop attending church in person for a while.   I agree, although I go back to school/work in a couple of weeks and our district has decided to open wide up and masks are optional.

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Ugh. My county has just flipped over to masks recommended indoors.  We had a parley as a family last night and agreed to tighten up our contacts, n95s inside, etc, and now this.  I'm glad, but tourists will be very cranky.  Welcome August.

We've been watching this brick wall coming towards us in slow motion for a few weeks.  And now it's here.

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5 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

And they said they tested the filter after washing… plus, they stay on nicely. 

My happy masks kept me from getting covid after I was exposed this year, so I declare them effective. DH has had to wear N95s for work before and be fit tested for them - he says they are not easy to wear for long periods of time. 

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4 hours ago, Matryoshka said:

FYI - some (not all) colors of Happy Masks come in EXTRA-large!  (Although they currently seem to be all sold out through Aug 2nd... we're not the only ones restocking, apparently!)

Both dh and I wear larges, two of my (adult) kids wear M and the other also wears a L.  Worth taking out the measuring tape!

Yup! snagged the XL in Happy Mask for my DH. He is much happier now.

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2 hours ago, prairiewindmomma said:

Please report when you do. We are having similar fit issues with my Viking of a husband. We can get a good with contractor grade N95 but that is it. We have yet to find a surgical or KN or anything else that works. We are needing more width from nose bridge to chin by at 2 cm.

I'll let you know! I ordered some of the KF94 ones mentioned above, and I will order an XL Happy Mask when those are in stock. 

Poor guy, we joke that he needs a "big and tall" version of sunglasses, hats, etc. And my younger son inherited it. Kid was born with a 15 inch head and at 8 wears an adult hat. 

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We've been mostly wearing Happy Masks, although I just got an Enro mask, and it seems to fit my younger kid better, and they're also highly rated in testing and also machine washable.  

Now that N95s are back, I'm considering buying some to have in case we have to do something high risk like go to the ER or something, but for our grocery trips and for when the kids go to school, I think we're going to stick with Happy Masks/ Enro.  

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On 7/28/2021 at 6:32 PM, Not_a_Number said:

Well, to be fair, a lot of us talking about locking down have young kids. I'm going to feel quite differently after we're all vaccinated. 

Once we are all vax'd, I would be ok with indoor while masks with reasonable case rates. 

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11 hours ago, Pawz4me said:

Personally--I can't tolerate N95s. I know lots of people claim they have no problem breathing in one for hours and hours, but OTOH many medical people say a properly fitted one (fit tested) is hard to tolerate for more than a few minutes. I've never had one fit tested, but just using my best self educated effort at proper fitting -- I can't do it. More than a few minutes and I'm struggling for a good breath and starting to sweat and overheat.

Ditto. DH has to wear them at work, but he is far more heat tolerant than I am. 

I find that when I wear an N95, I start jutting out my chin and breaking the seal. I don't even notice I am doing it, and it kind of defeats the point. Also, within a short time, I am so sweaty that it's sliding all over my face. 

9 hours ago, calbear said:

Happy Masks FTW over here. The best mask to use is the best quality one that my family will wear. 

Yes! We've only seen one other family wear Happy Masks, and it was fun to notice, lol! It felt like a secret handshake or something. 

I have found that my Happy Mask has enough of a seal that the sides bulge in when I inhale, and my glasses do not fog. 

8 hours ago, KSera said:

You can get a mix and match 10 Pack of KF94 for about the same price as 1 Happy Mask if you want to decide once and for all if the grass is greener.  

I should consider this for my son who loses his Happy Mask over and over. We do have surgical masks, and he doesn't mind wearing two if he can keep two together at one time...he's a bit challenged with keeping track of things to say the least.

Overall, we do have one scenario we're keeping in mind for an N95...older DS has in-car driving that's finally available after months on a waiting list. We already paid for it because things were looking good when it was time to plunk down the cash. He's planning to mask, wear his goggles, and put the windows down, but if it rains, he can't have windows down. We might get an N95 just in case that happens. 

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11 hours ago, Harpymom said:

Ugh. My county has just flipped over to masks recommended indoors.  We had a parley as a family last night and agreed to tighten up our contacts, n95s inside, etc, and now this.  I'm glad, but tourists will be very cranky.  Welcome August.

We've been watching this brick wall coming towards us in slow motion for a few weeks.  And now it's here.

I’d rather the governor declare another statewide mask mandate instead. This on and off, county specific “recommendation” method isn’t going to prove effective. Just protect all of us, already! 

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8 hours ago, Terabith said:

We've been mostly wearing Happy Masks, although I just got an Enro mask, and it seems to fit my younger kid better, and they're also highly rated in testing and also machine washable.  

Now that N95s are back, I'm considering buying some to have in case we have to do something high risk like go to the ER or something, but for our grocery trips and for when the kids go to school, I think we're going to stick with Happy Masks/ Enro.  

I've been looking at enro masks and hoping my favorite one comes back in stock soon. Glad to see a review of them here, since they aren’t often mentioned. 

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We're on vacation in Puerto Rico. They verify vaccination at the airport before they let you out of baggage claim. I saw a billboard for a restaurant that advertises that 100% of our staff are vaccinated. It's a different world from Texas.

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