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1 minute ago, Amy Gen said:

In a way, I feel like we never unlocked. We never stopped wearing masks indoors, even after being vaccinated. We didn’t go back to in person church and won’t until January when my youngest is old enough to be vaccinated. We have been having swim practice and swim meets all along although they were scaled down and didn’t have food or spectators on deck. We have probably one house part per month with maybe 10 fully vaccinated teens and their parents. The kids do all the rest of their socializing outdoors. This is when year round beautiful weather is almost worth paying California housing prices. 

I am letting my kids have as much time with their friends as possible before fall when I feel like we are likely to have more strict mandates again. 

Yeah, we're only doing outdoor stuff. But we were going maskless in playgrounds with a LOT of kids around. And we've started having babysitters, which means... sharing air with other adults. 

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Just now, Not_a_Number said:

Yeah, we're only doing outdoor stuff. But we were going maskless in playgrounds with a LOT of kids around. And we've started having babysitters, which means... sharing air with other adults. 

Are your babysitters vaccinated? My oldest got the J&J vaccine and next month she goes back to babysitting her favorite kids after 2 years away from them while she was getting her masters. I sure wish there was a booster shot available for her to get. But otherwise it feels pretty low risk.  

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3 minutes ago, Amy Gen said:

Are your babysitters vaccinated? My oldest got the J&J vaccine and next month she goes back to babysitting her favorite kids after 2 years away from them while she was getting her masters. I sure wish there was a booster shot available for her to get. But otherwise it feels pretty low risk.  

Yes, they are vaccinated. This is where the pathetic 63% protection against infection is bothering me, though. I don't know what transmission is like for people who have breakthrough infections, but a babysitter spends a LOT of time indoors with my kids. 

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41 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

This is making me increasingly nervous about sending DD back to in person school in 2 weeks. But I don't feel like we have an option. Pulling her out now would devastate her. 

Feels like I don't have any good choices here. 

 

It was a very hard decision to make for our DD. It is a very difficult time for so many kids.

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54 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

This is making me increasingly nervous about sending DD back to in person school in 2 weeks. But I don't feel like we have an option. Pulling her out now would devastate her. 

Feels like I don't have any good choices here. 

 

Will she wear a decent mask?  Can you make that a condition of her returning?  That she masks even if peers don't?

I agree it's hard.  We are also struggling with school decisions here for an 11 year old.  

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3 hours ago, Amy Gen said:

My oldest got the J&J vaccine and next month she goes back to babysitting her favorite kids after 2 years away from them while she was getting her masters. I sure wish there was a booster shot available for her to get. But otherwise it feels pretty low risk.  

I think that soon many states will allow those who got the J&J vaccine to get the Pfizer shot as a booster due to concerns about the Delta variant. So, your daughter can get it at that time if she is interested.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/20/dr-vin-gupta-encourages-jj-vaccine-recipients-to-get-a-pfizer-or-moderna-booster.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/delta-people-are-mixing-and-matching-covid-vaccines-over-concerns-about-variant.html

 

 

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12 hours ago, BaseballandHockey said:

Will she wear a decent mask?  Can you make that a condition of her returning?  That she masks even if peers don't?

I agree it's hard.  We are also struggling with school decisions here for an 11 year old.  

She would wear a mask if it was required but I hate to require her to wear a mask if no one else does. She's at that age where she's very self conscious. Everything is super embarrassing. I know it's silly when you see it from adulthood but her feelings are real. The school hasn't announced their plans yet. They are still waiting on directions from the Diocese. But hardly anyone here masks anymore so I'm sure the Diocese is under major pressure to not require masks. Although I think the fact that the Diocese hasn't provided guidance yet indicates that they might be sensible. Or rather the Diocese's lawyers are going to make the decision. 

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7 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Our local counties are “strongly recommending “ masks for everyone indoors including vaccinated people. Stores are putting signs out again. Not that this really affects me since I never stopped masking but I am glad. 

That IS good. 

I think we're about to lock down again. We're not going into any more stores. We're going to have a babysitter one last time on Friday, and then we'll pay our babysitters but not have them come in. (We might ask the Russian-speaking one to Zoom with DD9, though.) 

I am still not sure about playground playdates. I plan to do them this week, but I don't know if we'll take a break in a bit. 

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Just took my kids to the Ortho and there was 0 rule about masking.  I was shocked and so uncomfortable.  I just really have accepted the fact that my kids are going to get covid and I HOPE that is after they get vaccinated.  But unless i don't take them for things they need.  I mean the dentist and doctor you had to have a mask.  

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No new regulations here, but I have seen an uptick in people masked in stores again. People just seemed to get comfortable not masking like 2 weeks ago and now we're back up to ~25% masked in stores. There haven't been any announcements but I'd bet that we'll be masked to start the school year too.

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16 minutes ago, AmandaVT said:

No new regulations here, but I have seen an uptick in people masked in stores again. People just seemed to get comfortable not masking like 2 weeks ago and now we're back up to ~25% masked in stores. There haven't been any announcements but I'd bet that we'll be masked to start the school year too.

Same here. After super high masking rates, people rapidly dropped them over the past month. To the point I was frequently the only person with a mask in a store. Now I’m seeing more again. The interesting thing I noticed when I went to the store on Sunday, was that of the people wearing masks now, they are almost all wearing high-quality masks. Lots more N95s, KN95s, and KF94s. Seems like the people being conscientious about masking now are being conscientious about how they do it as well.

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I plan to continue the same precautions I used last fall in this coming semester, plus that I'm now vaccinated. I am really, really hoping to NOT have to go back to teaching just on zoom, but I just re-uped that for a year, too. 

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Now dh is getting sent to Oklahoma for work.   I want to cry, scream, I don't even know.  We can't lock down anymore.  Even if the kids and I did nothing, dh can't anymore.  His work is requiring that they come back into the office too.  So again I just am knowing that we are going to get Covid.  Just sucks.

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13 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

Now dh is getting sent to Oklahoma for work.   I want to cry, scream, I don't even know.  We can't lock down anymore.  Even if the kids and I did nothing, dh can't anymore.  His work is requiring that they come back into the office too.  So again I just am knowing that we are going to get Covid.  Just sucks.

My husband has been working this entire time, and continues to do so. He can't just stop working because of my risk.  His company dropped their mask mandate and he is the only one masking.  I ordered KF94's for him that should arrive before he goes in on Thursday if not tomorrow.  We do what we can.

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24 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

Now dh is getting sent to Oklahoma for work.   I want to cry, scream, I don't even know.  We can't lock down anymore.  Even if the kids and I did nothing, dh can't anymore.  His work is requiring that they come back into the office too.  So again I just am knowing that we are going to get Covid.  Just sucks.

DH will have to teach as well. 

However, the fact that one can’t drive one’s chances to zero doesn’t mean that decreasing them is pointless.

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I am glad summer swim team ends this weekend!  We mask in stores and out and about anyway, but I will be curtailing my running into the grocery store for a few items and get back to our full curbside pick-up orders.

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1 minute ago, mlktwins said:

I am glad summer swim team ends this weekend!  We mask in stores and out and about anyway, but I will be curtailing my running into the grocery store for a few items and get back to our full curbside pick-up orders.

Same. Well, we’ll get deliveries.

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I had an office visit today (very 3 months for med checks) and was very surprised and very happy to see a sign on the office door saying that EVERYONE is required to wear a mask, regardless of vaccination status, and if you are not wearing one you will be made to leave. 

that is the ONLY place I've seen anything like that. Everywhere else has big signs saying you don't have to mask if you are vaccinated (and of course no one actually checks).

My church sent out a notice reminding people that only vaccinated people can be maskless...but that was on the same day they sent another email about needing sunday school volunteers, and reminded people that kids can mask but don't have to. I don't understand how they don't get that ALL under 12 kids are unvaccinated, and therefore according to their own rules, should be masked!

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My mom's friend just posted this - Jupiter is a city in northern Palm Beach County, Florida. Where I grew up - Jupiter and Juno were where the beaches were, so about 10-15 minutes from my house. 

"This is from a friend who works at Jupiter Medical ER. This is not media!, ...This delta variant is scarey. We had 27 or 28 positive covids in the ER yesterday between 7a and 7p. Several admitted with covid pneumonia. Patients are younger and younger. Even children. This, as I have said before, is no joke. It's the unvaccinated that are getting it bad. I think only 2 yesterday were vaccinated and positive. This is only the beginning of what could potentially be a very bad outcome for so many. Please people, get the vaccine! The healthcare community is exhausted. I would say, if you are in a setting, with lots of people, wear the damned mask! We have to wear it 12 hours a day at work! I think it wont kill you, but covid might."
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My DH has worked in public every single day of this pandemic. His job is what it is. He has been masking and being careful. Fingers crossed but we survived the worst of it, and we have a family member on cancer treatment here that we see regularly. So I am not as worried going forward. I really hope delta variant booster will be available in the Fall. We need it. 😞 

I would love to see the numbers how many in SF hospital were vaccinated with J&J versus other ones. 
 

@Not_a_NumberArw you seeing the same vaccine opposition among Russian emigres as I am seeing here?  I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s strong among my friends locally. 

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26 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

I had an office visit today (very 3 months for med checks) and was very surprised and very happy to see a sign on the office door saying that EVERYONE is required to wear a mask, regardless of vaccination status, and if you are not wearing one you will be made to leave. 

that is the ONLY place I've seen anything like that. Everywhere else has big signs saying you don't have to mask if you are vaccinated (and of course no one actually checks).

I thought federal law required masks in all healthcare facilities and all public transit…

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12 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

 

@Not_a_NumberArw you seeing the same vaccine opposition among Russian emigres as I am seeing here?  I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s strong among my friends locally. 

Not Not a Number, but I am in an area with a lot of Russians and know only one who is vaccinated. It stinks, because a number of them are friends and relatives so we don’t see them now. I’ve seen the same refusal of vaccines from nearly all the people I know from former Soviet and Eastern bloc countries as well. 😞 

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3 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

Now dh is getting sent to Oklahoma for work.   I want to cry, scream, I don't even know.  We can't lock down anymore.  Even if the kids and I did nothing, dh can't anymore.  His work is requiring that they come back into the office too.  So again I just am knowing that we are going to get Covid.  Just sucks.

Hang in there! Really good masks, not eating with people, etc. go a long way. DH has been frontline healthcare worker for most of this with N95s/eye protection for suspect patients, surgical masks for the rest, and self-provided masks when not in a patient room, and if he's been infected, he's been totally asymptomatic, and he didn't pass it to us. 

He was between jobs during our worst surge, but he went back while numbers were still pretty high. 

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2 hours ago, Roadrunner said:

@Not_a_NumberArw you seeing the same vaccine opposition among Russian emigres as I am seeing here?  I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s strong among my friends locally. 

I'm honestly not talking to many Russian emigres right now. My vaccine holdout friend IS from the former USSR, though, for what that's worth, although that might not be the same thing -- I'm assuming that for lots of Russian emigres, it's part of the toxically conservative politics. (And that would be the reason I'm not talking to too many of them, lol -- my mom has a lot of friends who are in the NYC area, but I haven't particularly wanted to reach out since moving here.) 

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2 hours ago, bibiche said:

I thought federal law required masks in all healthcare facilities and all public transit…

I don't know about that. I did take all of the kids to the dentist today. The two receptionists at the dentist weren't masked, but the dentists, assistants & hygienists were. One hygienist was double masked, and the other had mask+face shield.

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Ugh My dad was contacted today apparently someone he worked with Thursday is positive.  My dad is vaxxed but is planning  to get tested tomorrow morning.  I was at his house Thursday evening with the toddler and than the whole family was there on Sunday for a short time to help with  a sprinkler problem. We are all vaxxed except the  little one so hopefully nothing comes of it.

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16 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

Just took my kids to the Ortho and there was 0 rule about masking.  I was shocked and so uncomfortable.  I just really have accepted the fact that my kids are going to get covid and I HOPE that is after they get vaccinated.  But unless i don't take them for things they need.  I mean the dentist and doctor you had to have a mask.  

I'm sorry. I just got back from the GP. My initial consultation was by phone and I then went in for tests. Masking required, screen check in,  seats in the waiting room blocked to force 2 metre distancing.

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17 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

Just took my kids to the Ortho and there was 0 rule about masking.  I was shocked and so uncomfortable.  I just really have accepted the fact that my kids are going to get covid and I HOPE that is after they get vaccinated.  But unless i don't take them for things they need.  I mean the dentist and doctor you had to have a mask.  

We were at ours earlier this month and they were masking, but a little more lax about it than previous visits.  I was not super comfortable with that.  One of mine is probably done with Invaslign our next visit in mid-August.  The one in metal braces goes back Monday and then again in mid-August.  Hopefully getting them off by the end of August or early September.  Just want them done so we aren't going when Delta hits hard.  He is very motivated to wear his rubber bands to get them off quickly.

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My youngest who is 5 crawled into bed with us.  When she woke up she had tears in her eyes and asked me "Is this virus going to last forever?"  Just makes me so sad that that is on her heart and mind as soon as she opens her eyes from sleep.  

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9 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

My youngest who is 5 crawled into bed with us.  When she woke up she had tears in her eyes and asked me "Is this virus going to last forever?"  Just makes me so sad that that is on her heart and mind as soon as she opens her eyes from sleep.  

I feel awful for her.  I am over 50 years older than she is and I feel like it is going to last forever,  I can't imagine trying to process it at her tender age.

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We hardly "unlocked".  We were a week out from all of us being fully vaxxed when the CDC said vaxxed didn't need masks.  I never trusted that.  I've been catching up on medical stuff so that is our biggest exposure. 

If places require masks again we might venture out to an indoor museum but without masks required it's hard to feel that it's worth it especially knowing that vaxxed people can spread it.

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2 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

My youngest who is 5 crawled into bed with us.  When she woke up she had tears in her eyes and asked me "Is this virus going to last forever?"  Just makes me so sad that that is on her heart and mind as soon as she opens her eyes from sleep.  

Aww, that's so sad 😞 . 

Do you know if there's anything specific she's upset about? 

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47 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

Aww, that's so sad 😞 . 

Do you know if there's anything specific she's upset about? 

I don't think so.  She has asked that in the past, not a lot, but some.  And at different times we could give a  more positive answer.  Like when we were waiting on vaccines to come out and thought that would end this.  At the start she missed seeing her friends, now she doesn't even remember them.  They are all from ballet which we hadn't done in-person since 3-2020 Then it would be that she wanted to see family and missed them.  Last weekend she want to a ballet class/audition and it was her first time going to do a class that she used to do since March 2020.  She did ballet virtual since then.  After it was over she told me she wants to go back to that life.  I think it just hits her hard sometimes.  We try to do a lot of things to keep them happy and doing safer things over this 18 months.  But she still misses things that she had before or wants to do.  

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3 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

I don't think so.  She has asked that in the past, not a lot, but some.  And at different times we could give a  more positive answer.  Like when we were waiting on vaccines to come out and thought that would end this.  At the start she missed seeing her friends, now she doesn't even remember them.  They are all from ballet which we hadn't done in-person since 3-2020 Then it would be that she wanted to see family and missed them.  Last weekend she want to a ballet class/audition and it was her first time going to do a class that she used to do since March 2020.  She did ballet virtual since then.  After it was over she told me she wants to go back to that life.  I think it just hits her hard sometimes.  We try to do a lot of things to keep them happy and doing safer things over this 18 months.  But she still misses things that she had before or wants to do.  

Ah, that makes sense 😞 . It's hard to be missing so much stuff. 

We were lucky that we could do a family pod for our kids that included their aunt and grandparents... it made the pandemic year seem different but not in an entirely bad way. 

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I wish I could lock down. In a way it was so much easier last year when everything shut down to just stay at home. I have long planned events these next two weekends that I’m going through with and dearly hope I don’t regret. DS is working full time, masked, but with young kids who aren’t great maskers. 
So, we have about three weeks of overly risky things going on that weren’t all that risky when we planned them just a month ago. 

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2 minutes ago, Toocrazy!! said:

I wish I could lock down. In a way it was so much easier last year when everything shut down to just stay at home. I have long planned events these next two weekends that I’m going through with and dearly hope I don’t regret. DS is working full time, masked, but with young kids who aren’t great maskers. 
So, we have about three weeks of overly risky things going on that weren’t all that risky when we planned them just a month ago. 

We still have dentist's appointments. I think we'll also have one last babysitter outing. Then we'll be locked down aside from playgrounds. And I'm not totally sure about playgrounds. 

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1 minute ago, Toocrazy!! said:

I wish I could lock down. In a way it was so much easier last year when everything shut down to just stay at home. I have long planned events these next two weekends that I’m going through with and dearly hope I don’t regret. DS is working full time, masked, but with young kids who aren’t great maskers. 
So, we have about three weeks of overly risky things going on that weren’t all that risky when we planned them just a month ago. 

Agree. I was just saying this to my dh.  I don't want to weigh everything.  It would be so much easier if things were not in my hands.   But we can't lock down as dh's work is making him travel and come into the office.  I have to take kids to the ortho.  One could wait, but she has already waited a year and a half.  We thought things would be better so we put it off.  But the other really can't wait and is risking losing some teeth if things don't get handled now.

And I agree things we thought were not that risky a month ago now are.  It just really sucks.

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What really gets me is that I have parents upset that I have stated that masks will be required in lessons this fall. Even some of the ones who were supportive of my continuing to require them this summer. They say their kids have "had enough". Uh, I'm just trying to keep the option of in person lessons available and keep my cannot be vaccinated students safe in an area which is dark red on the CDC map. In a state where the Governor has never had a mask mandate and has threatened local health departments who had them. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Dmmetler said:

What really gets me is that I have parents upset that I have stated that masks will be required in lessons this fall. Even some of the ones who were supportive of my continuing to require them this summer. They say their kids have "had enough". Uh, I'm just trying to keep the option of in person lessons available and keep my cannot be vaccinated students safe in an area which is dark red on the CDC map. In a state where the Governor has never had a mask mandate and has threatened local health departments who had them.

UGH. How annoying. Do you think it's political? 

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22 minutes ago, Dmmetler said:

What really gets me is that I have parents upset that I have stated that masks will be required in lessons this fall. Even some of the ones who were supportive of my continuing to require them this summer. They say their kids have "had enough". Uh, I'm just trying to keep the option of in person lessons available and keep my cannot be vaccinated students safe in an area which is dark red on the CDC map. In a state where the Governor has never had a mask mandate and has threatened local health departments who had them. 

 

 

I hope you can stay strong and keep requiring masks.  Somehow I don’t think the virus will respond if you end up with Covid and decide on the third day that you’ve “had enough.” Protect yourself. 

Our school district voted to make masks optional and it’s up to the parents to decide for K - 12.  We have always homeschooled, but I feel for the parents of our kids’ friends.  
 

 

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44 minutes ago, Spryte said:

I hope you can stay strong and keep requiring masks.  Somehow I don’t think the virus will respond if you end up with Covid and decide on the third day that you’ve “had enough.” Protect yourself. 

Our school district voted to make masks optional and it’s up to the parents to decide for K - 12.  We have always homeschooled, but I feel for the parents of our kids’ friends.  
 

 

It's not even so much protecting myself, but that only a small number of my students are over 12, and I know several who have medically fragile family members.  I just can't accept the idea that it's so hard to make their child wear a mask for a 30 minute lesson or 1 hour class in a cool classroom so that everyone, INCLUDING their child is protected, when their child masked for school and extracurriculars all last school year. The fact that the schools have chosen otherwise does not mean that it's safe. It means that they've caved to pressure. 

 

To me, it's not even a question. Under 12, can't be vaccinated,continue masking, distancing and generally try to keep exposure to a minimum. Delta is more contagious, so it makes no sense to take fewer precautions. I had hoped that by fall, vaccination uptake among adults might be good and spread dropped enough that it would be safe to make masking optional, and that vaccines might have a chance of being available for kids sooner rather than later. But none of that applies. Maybe by Spring.....

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Glad we went to visit my folks this past weekend.  Looks like we're in for another ride.  It won't be nearly as bad as last winter, at least for us.  With my kids in high school, the populations they hang in can all be vaxed if they so choose.  But we will go back to staying away from more at-risk people for now.

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I don’t think we’ll go back to staying in like we were. I was dragging my feet about getting my 13 yo dd vaxxed because all the vulnerable people in our lives have been vaxxed as have dh, me, and our three adult sons. I still have some reservations about the vaccine for young people and a month ago numbers were so low we waited. 
 

But she got her first shot today. Once she is fully vaxxed we will mask where required/requested but we will proceed with our lives as normally as we can. It’s not that I don’t see any danger out there. I do. We will have just done all we can do and proceed the way we do with all the other risks we are exposed to on a regular basis just living our lives. 
 

We were never locked down like some of you were but we really had cut out almost all activities, church, social time. My dd had one small group activity, 18 yo Ds attended college in person a couple times a week and worked full time in a grocery store. So we certainly weren’t locked down. But we were passing on just about anything else and we were working hard to avoid anyone who could be vulnerable (whether they cared or not). We won’t be going back to that. 

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