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20 minutes ago, Plum said:

Hold on, ensuring every high school graduate can read, write and do basic math is about equity, accessibility and inclusion? I thought it was called doing their job? This is what I meant upthread about lowering standards for equity of outcome vs equal opportunity. 

Oregon students shouldn’t have to prove they can write or do math to get a diploma, lawmakers decide

 

Is it at all possible for you to link to something other than a clickbait headline? The other linked article from Oregon live, a REAL news story, explains in more depth. 

1. The reading requirement is new for 2021. When WA implemented this requirement, they TOO delayed it while students and kids got up to speed. I know b/c I worked for OSPI at the time.

2. Many students were hampered in their learning and remediation efforts by COVID distance and hybrid learning, including students with fewer financial resources and less supervision. EQUITY does not mean they don't get to graduate after completing all other requirements. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY would mean they weren't in that situation to begin with.

https://www.oregonlive.com/education/2011/08/thousands_of_oregon_students_a.html

What does this have to do with 'CRT'?

Your previous attempt to demonstrate that teachers are neglecting the basics (using TPT search data) was a fail, so now this?

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Confession: I will say this board can be super intimidating. I often feel like I am heading into battle because I don’t always fall into the same line of thinking other people here do.  I often s

No, there’s not. But there is a huge disconnect between what Republican politicians want and what Republican voters want, so Fox News must find something to anger and confuse people, and this is what

What Fox News says is “critical race theory” is not at all what I learned about in my sociology classes (sociology major).  We learned that race is a social construct.  It comes from the study of law

20 minutes ago, Plum said:

Hold on, ensuring every high school graduate can read, write and do basic math is about equity, accessibility and inclusion? I thought it was called doing their job? This is what I meant upthread about lowering standards for equity of outcome vs equal opportunity. 

Oregon students shouldn’t have to prove they can write or do math to get a diploma, lawmakers decide

 


there are a lot of problems going on in Oregon education and I have “issues” with “cancel culture” and various things going on

 

However, eliminating the usual standardized testing requirements was a gain imo —

the usual std testing “prove yourself” is  incredibly stressful for many students and a poor way to test particularly writing ability in my opinion    
 

since the standardized testing typically came around April and after that the kids felt “done” for the year it also tended to be a waste of actual learning and instruction for April, May and the part of June we still have classes (this is the last week of school this year, but local snow days etc can change that year to year and place to place)... that’s like 1/3 of school year essentially lost to standardized testing
 

There were a tremendous number of negatives that came from Covid lockdowns, not having the last two to three months of the school year dominated by standardized testing was one of the benefits from my POV 

this year was the opposite here in that school reopened at least part time and those last 2-3 months were particularly productive rather than a typical standardized testing waste of time for at least most students   I guess there might be some students who get helped from standardized tests.
 

I think most good teachers are probably capable of assessing if a student can read, write, do math, without a standardized test.  Oregon diploma requires 3 years math algebra 1 level and above (usually Algebra 1, geometry, algebra 2); 4 years of English/language arts (which requires reading and writing) . Students not able to do that go for a modified diploma rather than the regular one, and afaik that did not change

 

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2 hours ago, LucyStoner said:

Someone I know posted on FB asking about ways to get rid of her Harry Potter books in such a way that no one else could read them (she thought donating them wasn't sufficient since other people could read them still if she did that).  I thought, "well, there's always matches but WTAF is going on in your mind that this seems like a valuable use of your time?"

I recognize the illiberal tendencies in that vein that I am seeing from the various antics I saw coming from the right for years.  

Wow. Whatever could she do with the books that she wants to get rid of, yet wants no one else to read? Hmmm... I mean, it's not like she could recycle them or anything!  😉 

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38 minutes ago, whitestavern said:

FAIR (Foundation Against Racism and Intolerance), who I've been following for a bit because I support their mission, seems to be against some of the CRT/whatever you want to call it teaching. https://www.fairforall.org/ 

I recognize John McWhorter. Interesting, complicated character. Similar background to my own. I also recognize most of the schools/stories they highlight as posh private institutions for wealthy people. Ah, I see Mr. Loury. There are, bien sur, links to the astroturf stories shared here. I also see them promoting Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie's online screed...basically about how she felt disrespected by two attendees at a workshop of hers that they paid to attend. I agreed with her in part but found her POV somewhat overshadowed by her own position as an established and respected author. Why deign to address the criticism at all except that her ego was bruised? Much more personal beef than newsworthy. Kinda like the Kardashian/West divorce.

This was among the headlines on their site: 

  • Brigham and Women’s Hospital announces plans to discriminate and deny treatment to patients based on skin color
  • Vermont Establishes a Vaccine Rollout Plan On Racial Lines
  • Do Black People Enjoy Being Told They Are Weak and Dumb? The Elect Hope So. (It Bears Mentioning by John McWhorter)

There's, of course, more. Clickbait pays the bills, I guess.

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1 hour ago, Tanaqui said:

It's really not Harry Potter's job to teach your kids critical thinking, nor to teach them to read for facts (JKR engages in transphobic speech and promotes transphobia) instead of feeling (she's just sorta bad and stupid).

Are you saying that the bolded is a fact? Reciepts please. 

This comment is doing exactly what LucyStoner's niece did. Replacing 'she's stupid' with 'she's ~insert slur~' without backing up your assertion, expecting us to just follow along, unthinkingly.

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31 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

Wow. Whatever could she do with the books that she wants to get rid of, yet wants no one else to read? Hmmm... I mean, it's not like she could recycle them or anything!  😉 

That came up!  Her thinking was someone could still take them out of the trash.  Uh, let them?  😛

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Just now, LucyStoner said:

Totally unrelated to FAIR or CRT, I really enjoyed his podcast on language, Lexicon Valley.  

Oh, I think he's a tremendous linguist. I think that's his specialty, really. I give the side eye to his side hustles tho. LOL. It's not his strength.

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21 minutes ago, LMD said:

Are you saying that the bolded is a fact? Reciepts please. 

This comment is doing exactly what LucyStoner's niece did. Replacing 'she's stupid' with 'she's ~insert slur~' without backing up your assertion, expecting us to just follow along, unthinkingly.

Read her Twitter feed. You can make up your own mind. 

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1 hour ago, Tanaqui said:

(JKR engages in transphobic speech and promotes transphobia) instead of feeling (she's just sorta bad and stupid).

It’s way more nuanced than that, and to approach it otherwise, is to engage in the same kind of thing the right is doing with race issues. I don’t agree with all of her views— I actually have no idea what she has said on the topic more recently— but I find the current very black-and-white view on this issue that is the only acceptable stance on the left to be more interested in looking like one is progressive and believes all the right things than to be concerned with what’s actually happening with young people experiencing gender dysphoria right now. The always affirm approach works out well for some, but damages others. I wish it was acceptable to have nuanced discussions, but currently any such discussion earns someone a “transphobe” label. It’s unhelpful and young people are getting hurt as the casualties of people wanting to show that they’re on the right side of this issue. I expect it will eventually resolve, but it’s going to take long enough that it will leave a not insignificant number of people angry and/or depressed that everyone told them this was the solution, but it wasn’t, and now they can’t reverse the things they’ve done. It’s just not nearly as simple as people want to think it is. 

1 hour ago, whitestavern said:

FAIR (Foundation Against Racism and Intolerance), who I've been following for a bit because I support their mission, seems to be against some of the CRT/whatever you want to call it teaching. https://www.fairforall.org/ 

Am I the only one frustrated they we’re still going round and round on people focusing on the CRT hot button word, when very few schools are actually teaching that and that the bans that we are talking about have to deal with issues of race in general?

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10 hours ago, LucyStoner said:

Hey now, D&D never went away.  It’s still massively popular in some circles, LOL.  
 

ETA:  To be clear, those circles include all of the kids in my family.  My sons both run weekly games with their friends.  My nieces and nephews are all into it as well.   It’s actually a great game for perspective taking and learning to follow the group plan.  

I wasn't referring to the actual game, just to the hysteria that surrounded the game & all the fear-mongering & desire to ban, yadda yadda.

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1 hour ago, Dmmetler said:

Read her Twitter feed. You can make up your own mind. 

I have. I also read the many vile, violent and misogynist replies. I also read her essay, a format that allows much more nuance than 200ish characters.

If someone makes an accusation, they should substantiate it. Isn't that one of the main points of this thread?

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1 hour ago, LMD said:

I have. I also read the many vile, violent and misogynist replies. I also read her essay, a format that allows much more nuance than 200ish characters.

If someone makes an accusation, they should substantiate it. Isn't that one of the main points of this thread?

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

 

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From what I understand, FAIR is opposed to the idea of racism as a systemic issue, and promotes the idea that "taking about racism is the real racism".   

The mission:

Increasingly, American institutions — colleges and universities, businesses, government, the media and even our children’s schools — are enforcing a cynical and intolerant orthodoxy. This orthodoxy requires us to view each other based on immutable characteristics like skin color, gender and sexual orientation. It pits us against one another, and diminishes what it means to be human.

 

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1 hour ago, Wheres Toto said:

From what I understand, FAIR is opposed to the idea of racism as a systemic issue, and promotes the idea that "taking about racism is the real racism".   

The mission:

Increasingly, American institutions — colleges and universities, businesses, government, the media and even our children’s schools — are enforcing a cynical and intolerant orthodoxy. This orthodoxy requires us to view each other based on immutable characteristics like skin color, gender and sexual orientation. It pits us against one another, and diminishes what it means to be human.

 

Interesting. It seems to have materialized as a non-partisan  (NOT non-profit) advocacy organization ~January 2021, under the initial sponsorship of Bari Weiss.  Aside from a lively social media presence, which appears also to have sprung up ~January 2021, its primary function seems (?) to be a legal counsel matchmaking service, such that folks who want to bring their CRT concerns to court can match with counsel eager to help them.

It does indeed open with the obligaory MLK I Have A Dream... Content of their Character blessing over the Colorblind Doctrine. 

Virtually all (perhaps all, I haven't kept track) of the troubling "CRT" incidents we've discussed on this thread are helpfully collated for us in their "Profiles in Courage" section, collating stories of people advancing civil rights and liberty.

 

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On 6/15/2021 at 9:45 AM, Sneezyone said:

Beyond that tho, the FL regulations explicitly say:

Instruction on the required topics must be factual and objective, and may not suppress or distort significant historical events, such as the Holocaust, slavery, the Civil War and Reconstruction, the Civil Rights movement and the contributions of women, African American and Hispanic people to our country as already provided in section 1003.42 of Florida Statutes. Examples of theories that distort historical events and are inconsistent with State Board approved standards include the denial or minimization of the Holocaust and the teaching of “critical race theory,” meaning the theory that racism is not merely a product of prejudice but that racism is embedded in American society and its legal systems in order to uphold the supremacy of white persons. Instruction may not utilize material from the 1619 Project and may not define American history as something other than the creation of a new nation based largely on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence. Instruction must include the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and subsequent amendments.”

It explicitly bans any consideration of structural racism as illegitimate content. That’s neither factual nor objective.

ETA: my husband has occasionally (no, a lot) given me a hard time about my relocation lines in the sand but EVERYTHING happening now (that he remains largely blind to) is why I’ve imposed those restrictions. These folks have as their intent the government-enforced suppression of truth. When these ill-informed freshmen show up to colleges in two years, they’re gonna be read for filth. My junior is taking US history next year. My 8th grader is taking US history, 1865 to the present. Moving to FL with DH was absolutely out of the question.

I always get to this thread late but was going to post Florida's after you said maybe someone else can post the bans from other states. Florida very specifically bans CRT and any discussion about systemic racism. Ugh. 

Living in Florida is not as bad as it sounds. I love it here. Unlike a lot of liberals/progressives who live here and say they hate it, I love my home state. I love the incredible biodiverse ecosystems. I love the ethnic diversity, especially people from various Caribbean islands. There are a number of blue areas and there are so many people in red/purple areas working hard to turn them blue. It takes dedication and work, not abandoning the state (which the Democratic party mostly has done). If you aren't homeschooling and your kids are in PS it can be tough but there are also dedicated teachers working hard to find ways around these horrible rules without jeopardizing their jobs. 

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On 6/16/2021 at 12:07 PM, LucyStoner said:

Hey now, D&D never went away.  It’s still massively popular in some circles, LOL.  
 

ETA:  To be clear, those circles include all of the kids in my family.  My sons both run weekly games with their friends.  My nieces and nephews are all into it as well.   It’s actually a great game for perspective taking and learning to follow the group plan.  

My 23yo has been playing D&D with the same group of people since he was a teenager, with the same family hosting. The teens became young adults together and the dad is still the dungeon master. During the height of the pandemic they went virtual and recently started meeting in person again. Yes, D&D is still around. I think there was a thread about it here on the Chat Board not long ago and quite a few people said either they or their kids (or both) play.

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14 hours ago, Happy2BaMom said:

I wasn't referring to the actual game, just to the hysteria that surrounded the game & all the fear-mongering & desire to ban, yadda yadda.

I really should have read through before replying above. Yeah, I remember that. I had no idea what D&D was and didn't care to find out. I just knew it was a certain group of people that usually find evil in the most mundane things.  

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