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1 hour ago, Moonhawk said:

While I'm not the person you quoted, 

The man didn't start the account to pay for the repairs as much as to shame a political opponent; I do not believe his intentions were pure. the money for repairs was a byproduct of a political stunt.

We don't know if AOC had the option to make the repairs. However, AOC affirmed that the family did take care of the needs of their grandmother in other ways. Any extra damage done because of the length of time is not on them, that is shifting blame. 

I have no idea if FEMA would approve of said receipts, or say it cost too much, reject it for not being a whatever vendor, etc. Maybe they would, even after a long time, but I wouldn't make the assumption it would just "work out eventually".

Again, your assertion of what AOC/family could have done or should have done does not excuse the government ineptitude/neglect/corruption that has led to this situation in the first place.  THAT was what AOC was addressing. Even if AOC fixed her grandmother's house, this would STILL be an issue.

I couldn't care less if AOC or Walsh or the tooth fairy started the GFM or didn/n't make repairs to a family home, or if the "tables were turned." My reactions would be the same and the fact you think that someone's reactions must be based on their political bias is telling in itself. I'm a conservative without a home since 2015/2016, I don't ned to carry water for any of these people. Or I was what was known as a conservative, anyway, IDK if I generally want to be labeled that anymore, even though most of my views haven't changed all that much.

Hey now, you know how this is supposed to go. 

AOC wrote something that is uncomfortable. 

Gotcha! She should have made the repairs herself. FEMA is so easy to work with! Why is she politicizing her grandmother? 

Matt Walsh, out of the goodness of his Christian heart, wanted to help the poor grandmother who was politicized by evil, crazy, "socialist" AOC. 

Rinse, lather, repeat. 

Gotcha! Gotcha! Gotcha!

Let's NEVER have a serious discussion about the relationship between Puerto Rico and the United States. What's that you say about how Puerto Ricans are more likely to serve the USA in the military despite lacking representation in Congress? 

No look at that! AOC did something! Gotcha! Gotcha! Gotcha! 

 

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1 hour ago, Lilaclady said:

Even if AOC can make the repairs for her grandma, how about the many other families who don’t have an AOC to make the case for them? Do you think if the hurricane happened in a ‘ fancier’ part of the USA, they would still be without repairs 3 or more years out? That is the issue that needs to be addressed.

FWIW, we had a big earthquake here 2 1/2-ish years ago. I still have repairs waiting to be made and the only aid we were offered was $500 and a loan, which was pretty typical. We have to arrange our own repairs, and there are only so much availability. Covid slowed things down for us here as far as getting work done too. There are people here who lost their houses altogether because they could not get funds to repair homes that were made unsafe for occupation. Supposedly the State was supposed to distribute funds, but that never happened. Most of us are fine. In our case, at this point I just need to get someone to show up and do the work 🙂 But my observation of FEMA at work did not leave me impressed. I feel certain that the overhead costs involved with FEMA’s work is likely significantly higher than the funds/practical help offered by the agency. 

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3 hours ago, Moonhawk said:

 

We don't know if AOC had the option to make the repairs. However, AOC affirmed that the family did take care of the needs of their grandmother in other ways. Any extra damage done because of the length of time is not on them, that is shifting blame. 

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AOC makes approximately $174k/year. I would think if she really wanted G'ma back in her home she could have scraped together the cash over the last 4 years to make the needed repairs. No blame shifting at all just pointing out the obvious that leaky roofs fixed early require less repair than leaky roofs left unrepaired. 

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2 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

Hey now, you know how this is supposed to go. 

AOC wrote something that is uncomfortable. 

Gotcha! She should have made the repairs herself. FEMA is so easy to work with! Why is she politicizing her grandmother? 

Matt Walsh, out of the goodness of his Christian heart, wanted to help the poor grandmother who was politicized by evil, crazy, "socialist" AOC. 

Rinse, lather, repeat. 

Gotcha! Gotcha! Gotcha!

Let's NEVER have a serious discussion about the relationship between Puerto Rico and the United States. What's that you say about how Puerto Ricans are more likely to serve the USA in the military despite lacking representation in Congress? 

No look at that! AOC did something! Gotcha! Gotcha! Gotcha! 

 

I think it's more that somebody said something uncomfortable about AOC1

 

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1 hour ago, Fritz said:

AOC makes approximately $174k/year. I would think if she really wanted G'ma back in her home she could have scraped together the cash over the last 4 years to make the needed repairs. No blame shifting at all just pointing out the obvious that leaky roofs fixed early require less repair than leaky roofs left unrepaired. 

So, if you were entitled to an insurance or FEMA repair costing tens of thousands of dollars or more and you believed it was truly on its way, you'd feel comfortable leaving that money on the table and taking it from your grandchild? Because there's no way in hell my grandmother would have done that. She was pretty docile about a lot of things, but taking money from her grandchildren would have been a hard no for her and I suspect that's true of a lot of that older generation.

If I had to maintain my household here and have a household in NYC and had to have security on both, that salary would barely cover it. Since she's single and not a family of four like I have, I'm sure she's doing okay, but that's not an especially impressive amount to me in terms of disposable income. Like, I'm sure she could have figured it out if grandma had wanted the money in the first place. But this isn't a situation to me like if Jeff Bezos's grandmother was waiting for repairs. Because he clearly has so much disposable income that it would be obscene. This is not anywhere near that scale.

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4 hours ago, Fritz said:

 Correct me if I'm wrong but AOC posted about G'ma waiting since 2017 for repairs. This man started an GFM account to pay for said repairs. AOC had the option to make those repairs rather than wait for FEMA to get to them should she choose to do so. Clearly she chose not to make those repairs. I never said FEMA was perfect, in fact my point was she could have made those repairs herself, submit those receipts to FEMA for reimbursement rather than wait for FEMA. Perhaps the reimbursement would have taken some time, idk, but at least G'ma would not have a leaky roof and the further damage that has likely been done by now. 

 

45 minutes ago, Fritz said:

AOC makes approximately $174k/year. I would think if she really wanted G'ma back in her home she could have scraped together the cash over the last 4 years to make the needed repairs. No blame shifting at all just pointing out the obvious that leaky roofs fixed early require less repair than leaky roofs left unrepaired. 

Hmm. Not to get too into the weeds here, but:

1. "Jut pointing out the obvious that leaky roofs fixed early require less repair than leaky roofs left unrepaired." <-- agree, not blame shifting. But that's not really all you said, so the "just pointing out" is not entirely accurate.

2. "If she really wanted G'ma back in her home she could have scraped together the cash" <--- uh oh, getting a little close to blame shifting with that "she could have". Some people would say square in Blame Shift Territorial Bounds, but I think there's wiggle room on interpretation.

3. "AOC had the option to make those repairs... at least G'ma would not have a leaky roof and the further damage that has likely been done by now." <-- Now, this IS blame shifting because you are putting the onus for the repairs on a party not responsible for it, then saying their not doing the thing [that they are not required to do] caused more damage. [And you could fill in the ... I made with the rest of your post, I did it for brevity, but the point will still stand.]

And again, you are focusing on the AOC's role in her Grandma's housing issue, when it is her not responsibility to fix, not her PLACE to fix since it isn't her house, and she may not have permission to fix. Also assumptions of how much it will cost to fix, other issues that may be blocking her/the family from being able to take action themselves, and again, ignoring that it is Not Her Responsibility. Also, you are downplaying the damage to just "a leaky roof" when we don't know the actual extent of damage (or maybe you guys do, but I don't) in an effort to make it seem like it would be easily done if they "really wanted to". This is, I regretfully inform you, blame shifting. Instead of focusing on the fact that others who ARE responsible for fixing it "the last 4 years to make the needed repairs" as you so rightly said, and still have not.

So, I have to ask if you think FEMA has done the best possible job here, and that's why you don't want to address that? Do you think that the government action (or inaction) in this case is justifiable? Or if not the best possible, at least understandable, or adequate?

I think, if you want to absolve the government of any blame here, the better take would be "It's really HARD to make these repairs to so many houses in only 4 years with the amount and type of damage done". But that would mean that individual citizens would be running into the same problems, without the backing, funds, coordination, experience, ability to whole-scale changes, and gravitas of The United States Government Department of FEMA to swing around and get things done faster. 

Again: AOC's particular Grandma's house is not the issue, it's a red herring. Her point was about the government's role and job so far in handling the disaster relief and repair efforts.

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1 hour ago, Fritz said:

AOC makes approximately $174k/year. I would think if she really wanted G'ma back in her home she could have scraped together the cash over the last 4 years to make the needed repairs. No blame shifting at all just pointing out the obvious that leaky roofs fixed early require less repair than leaky roofs left unrepaired. 

I think you've figured it out. AOC doesn't want her grandmother back in her house. She is purposefully hoarding her enormous riches coming from a $174 annual income in order to keep her grandmother homeless so she can tweet about it. 

Since you've figured that out, what are your thoughts on the complicated history of the relationship between Puerto Rico and the USA? 

FEMA's no big deal so I'm sure that you know, right? 

 

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My quoting is screwy... I tried.  
 

I don't actually care for AOC (number 10,000 of my unpopular posts today).   I wouldn't care if the roles were reversed and this was AOC raising money for Matt W's grandma's house.  It wouldn't matter.   What I find so flipping disturbing about this thread is that some people have just pushed grandma into a corner and have ignored the fact that she's a freaking adult who gets to decide what she wants.  My grandmas would never take money from me.   And can you imagine what it would be like for the other family members if grandma took her granddaughter's money (or Matt w's money, if we're switching things around)?    Do you understand what that would be like for family dynamics?   AOC has no right whatsoever to walk into her Grandmas house and do jack crap to it.   The issue is that our govt that owns PR has done a shit job and someone was trying to bring attention to it.  I'm glad she did because I didn't realize PR was still having problems.   In that sense, I'm glad Matt W is a jerk, because what he did was highlight a huge issue with the US and their relationship with PR.   

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I've been at the hospital literally hours per day for the past week with my mother*, so forgive me for skimming, but even based just on what's in this thread....

1. Matt Walsh is awful, he is not motivated here by any sense of compassion or pity, only by a desire to be a jerkass. Why should anybody help him with that?

2. I don't know how badly damaged this house is, but I can tell you right now that we had our roof replaced this summer - replaced, not repaired, I know that makes a difference - and the cost came to easily $35k. A little more, but we also had the porch done. Even at a fairly high income, that's not chump change.

2a. If I have a pothole in front of my house, and the government delays and delays and delays on its obligation to repair it, nobody tells me that I should've fixed it myself. And that's what's going on here - the USA government has an obligation to do the things it said it would do, and that includes FEMA repairs in a timely fashion.

2b. Anyway, Puerto Rico can rightly be considered occupied territory, so, the government has an even bigger obligation to do what it promises.

 

* She's not on her deathbed or anything like that, she just really, really, really hates being alone at the hospital and I have the free time to go visit with her.

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I'm just sitting here wondering what sort of frail, shrinking violet grandmothers everyone has that they can swoop in and manage her affairs how you think they should be managed.  I cannot relate.

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10 hours ago, KungFuPanda said:

I'm just sitting here wondering what sort of frail, shrinking violet grandmothers everyone has that they can swoop in and manage her affairs how you think they should be managed.  I cannot relate.

Well in the end it appears one of two things happened:

1. Grandma swallowed this pride so many of you are sure of and accepted somebodies money for the repairs.

2. Or perhaps AOC's political influence moved Grandma to the front on the line with FEMA.

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On 6/6/2021 at 6:46 PM, Fritz said:

AOC makes approximately $174k/year. I would think if she really wanted G'ma back in her home she could have scraped together the cash over the last 4 years to make the needed repairs. No blame shifting at all just pointing out the obvious that leaky roofs fixed early require less repair than leaky roofs left unrepaired. 

Does money really make resources materialize? Like, there are only so many workers and materials to go around, and it's not like her grandmother's situation is an isolated incident. And if AOC used her wealth to jump the line you'd sit back and be like, cool, she loves her grandmother? No, you'd call her a hypocrite.

Admit it, in your mind AOC can do nothing right.

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44 minutes ago, OH_Homeschooler said:

Does money really make resources materialize? Like, there are only so many workers and materials to go around, and it's not like her grandmother's situation is an isolated incident. And if AOC used her wealth to jump the line you'd sit back and be like, cool, she loves her grandmother? No, you'd call her a hypocrite.

Admit it, in your mind AOC can do nothing right.

It's been 4 years! I'd hardly call it jumping the line if AOC found the money and resources in that time to fix the roof etc..

If (as the original question was) this had been me and my grandma, I would have paid to get the repairs done as soon as possible if I could afford them. I would have wanted the damage to be as limited as possible, fix the roof asap to avoid the potential for the development of mold/ mildew , rot etc... And I would not blame AOC or anyone else for doing what they could for their family member in need. If the money was not there and this fellow offered to raise money for the repairs, I would have happily accepted the money, made the repairs, and used the leftover money to help others make their repairs as well. But that's just me.

As I said before I believe this is more of a someone said something uncomfortable about AOC issue on this board,

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2 hours ago, Fritz said:

It's been 4 years! I'd hardly call it jumping the line if AOC found the money and resources in that time to fix the roof etc..

If (as the original question was) this had been me and my grandma, I would have paid to get the repairs done as soon as possible if I could afford them. I would have wanted the damage to be as limited as possible, fix the roof asap to avoid the potential for the development of mold/ mildew , rot etc... And I would not blame AOC or anyone else for doing what they could for their family member in need. If the money was not there and this fellow offered to raise money for the repairs, I would have happily accepted the money, made the repairs, and used the leftover money to help others make their repairs as well. But that's just me.

As I said before I believe this is more of a someone said something uncomfortable about AOC issue on this board,

What is more like someone said something uncomfortable about AOC? That's the only reason that people objected to this stunt by one of the worst people on Twitter? 

<eyeroll>

Despite what you might think, AOC isn't big on this forum. In fact, I can't remember the last time she was discussed her. I suspect that many of the posters here have many issues with AOC. She's to the left of most of the people here. 

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