What is the rate of unvaccinated people (United States or any individual state, really) that have had Covid?

[pinball]

Estimates?

 Theories?

Projections?

[KSera]

Just now, Ordinary Shoes said:

How could this measured when we don't know how many people have actually had COVID? 

I’ve seen some estimates in certain places that had good surveillance and ways that they were extrapolating from death rate to case numbers. Areas vary widely area to area how many people actually caught it. I can’t look it up now, but I will look for it later.

[Catwoman]

7 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

There is no accurate estimate. 

 

However, there are estimates.  Some are as high as 5 times as many as confirmed cases (I have actually seen estimates as high as 10 times)  This is of course based on pre vaccine data.

 

SO, if you do a best guess round down to account for post vaccine times.......Probably 3 times as many of the documented cases?

 

There are, according to worldometers, about 34 million documented cases.  If you multiply that by 3, that's around 100 million cases, total, since the pandemic began.  Again....that's an estimate of total....so breakthrough and totally unvaxxed.   And again, that's since the pandemic began.

 

But it's really not unreasonable to assume that around 1/3 of the country has already had it.

 

 

I can say that...out of 5 of us...DH is the only one who tested positive with an active case.  I did not test positive, but I didn't test until around 10ish days post symptoms.  The kids never tested positive, but again....no test until 10+ days later.  I did test positive for antibodies, as did DH.  The kids were never tested for antibodies because I was not going to put them through the ordeal of a blood draw.  None of them have ever had a blood draw before (unless you count DS8 at 4mo. )

 

I suspect there is a substantial number of people/parents who are just unwilling to subject their kids and/or other family members to those things when they are dealing with situations like mine. 

I agree!

Also, if one person in the house tests positive and everybody else gets sick, I would think most people would just assume they all have the same thing. I know some families who got everyone in the house tested, but they had asymptomatic family members and wanted to find out if they would test positive (and hopefully develop some immunity.) 

I wouldn’t put my kids through bloodwork, either, unless they were very ill and the doctor recommended it.

Edited May 24, 2021 by Catwoman
Forgot a word!

[HeartString]

Some people who have had Covid still got vaccinated so there is overlap between those 2 groups.  

[Penelope]

There was a CDC model that estimated 100 million back in the fall. 

CDC has some seroprevalence data on their site. You can look at each state as well. Antibodies aren’t going to be a perfect measure, and this says it is a commercial lab survey study. When I click on “about the study,” nothing happens, so I don’t know if it is a planned sampling, or is it just people who decided to get their antibodies tested?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#national-lab

Edited May 25, 2021 by Penelope

[Ausmumof3]

7 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

Because I have seen it mentioned before and because we are talking about undocumented cases...I want to tell the story of my kids getting tested.

 

DH had been in the hospital for about a week and a half.  I had dropped off things, including cards from the kids, almost every day.  The testing site....it was across the street from where the hospital was.  Not my first choice, but even in November....options were much more limited.

 

We sat in line in our car for well over an hour.  Perhaps an hour and a half.  Honestly, it wasn't a terribly huge ordeal because at that point, we lived 2.5 hrs from family and were use to driving that far, one way, every other month or so.  But that hour was spent in the shadow of the building Daddy was staying in.  

 

The kids did great in the car.  I did my best to both prepare them for a QTip to the brain.....while not freaking them out completely.  We discussed that I would go first and they would see that it wasn't so awful.  DS8 then declared that he would go next because he was brave like a dinosaur.  The girls couldn't decided. Finally, we get up there and............yeah......QTip to the brain.  I did my dangdest not to react...but I won't lie....at some point, those nerves behind the eyeballs kick in, and a reflex that nearly makes you gag and it's ROUGH.   So I get finished and I am trying to convince the kids that it's not so bad, through involuntary tears and sneezing (yeah...it made me sneeze a lot, I am sure the testers were super happy about that.) 

 

We pop open the side door for DS8.  He's going to be super brave.  That's exactly what he told the tester.  As she got close, he struggled, so I got out and held him as best as I could (like hands on the knees, not like traumatic strap to the car or anything lol.)  She gets started, and am constantly telling him how awesome he is doing, he's trying so hard and about halfway through he can't take it anymore and whips his head around.  This is actually not safe given the situation, but she manages to yank it out.  She explained that she had to continue they have to make sure they get enough (again, remember, November.)  We managed to get finished and he cried for about 2 minutes, then literally sucked it all back in and said that it was awful, but he is very brave.

 

The situation repeats with DD12.  And again with DD10.  I tell this to help people understand.....it's one thing to test adults, but it's another to test kids.  I can trace the chain of infection for DH to an 8yr old kid.   I happen to know this kid tested positive, but I completely understand why no parent would want to put their kids through the ordeal of testing OR of a blood draw....particularly if it's super mild for their family.  Honestly, if DH hadn't been in the hospital, we never would have tested. 

 

There are giant numbers of people who have had it and have never been confirmed.   Because as much as us 40yr olds can talk about enduring discomfort for the greater good....when it's your own kids....and they don't look any more sick than any other "just a virus," it's hard to put them through that stuff. 

Honestly I don’t know why we aren’t spit testing kids.  So much less traumatic if slightly less accurate.  A friend had to get her four year old tested and he was crying so in the end the nurse took some of the snot from the crying and counted that.  Friend wasn’t willing to hold him down because she’s trying to teach her kids about consent in medical settings etc.  

[Danae]

28 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

Right.  And some people who got covid were vaccinated. 

 

What we have are best guess estimates.  Much like how we calculate flu burden each year.  Best guess estimates. 

 

Most of the people who have had covid got it while unvaccinated, because it's only in the last several weeks/month or three that the vaccine has been available to every adult in the country.  So....best guess estimate.  That doesn't exclude overlap, it just recognizes that the overlap is small and as difficult to document as every other situation. 

I assumed the OP was wanting to know how many unvaccinated people might have immunity from having had the virus.  So not how many people were unvaccinated when they got sick, but how many people who are now unvaccinated have previously been sick.  That overlap is much larger.

[Ausmumof3]

10 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

I want to just clarify that when I say that I held DS....I wasn't "holding him down."  It was more holding his hand, resting on his knees, talking him through it.   He was sitting in his seat in the car with the seatbelt and I was out of the car, next to the lady administering the test, holding his hands.   I know you werent assuming anything, I just want to be clear.

 

In November....I don't know that spit tests were readily available. 

It's possible I misunderstood the OP's question

Oh sorry!  That was not meant as a criticism of you at all it was just her reasoning ... I didn’t think of it as being read that way 😞. I probably would have done the same myself.  Spit in a cup tests have been available for ages but they’re more like 80pc accurate if I remember correctly.  It’s ages since I read the stats.  But honestly getting 80pc accuracy and testing more kids seems better than a high accuracy test that no one takes because it’s unpleasant.

[Ausmumof3]

Just now, happysmileylady said:

Totally agree with your last sentence.  It's So so so much easier to get an anxious 10 yr old to spit...than to get them to sit still for a Qtip to the brain.  I don't recall that being readily available in Dayton in early November, but perhaps it was...I dunno.  I can't say one way or another....at some point, SHTF and things become a bit of a blur.

No I don’t think it would have been I just wish that health authorities had made it available because the tech was there.  

[HeartString]

So my back of the envelope math makes me think we have about 65-75% immunity in the country right now.  Roughly 50% from vaccine.  I’m seeing that about 1/3 of the population already had COVID, I’m rounding that up to 40% to account for an under count (and for a round number) and I’m thinking that half of those previously infected are included in the vaccinated number.  So 50% vaccinated plus 20% with natural immunity only is 70%.   Add 5% on either side…65% to 75% with some sort of immunity.  Of course that means nothing, but it’s fun to think about. 

[Danae]

5 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Oh sorry!  That was not meant as a criticism of you at all it was just her reasoning ... I didn’t think of it as being read that way 😞. I probably would have done the same myself.  Spit in a cup tests have been available for ages but they’re more like 80pc accurate if I remember correctly.  It’s ages since I read the stats.  But honestly getting 80pc accuracy and testing more kids seems better than a high accuracy test that no one takes because it’s unpleasant.

Some are more accurate than others.  The spit test the college I teach at uses is 99% in both sensitivity and specificity.  We switched to spit in February, once there was a spit test available that didn't sacrifice accuracy.  I've taken 8 covid tests this semester.  Long swab, short self-administered swab, small vial of spit, larger vial of spit.  The least accurate, according to the info sheet, was the self-admin short swab.  It was also the only rapid-test.  The rest were all send-to-the-lab PCR whether they were spit or swab.   Standing across a 6 ft round table from each other and drooling into a vial is the new faculty cocktail party.  

[HeartString]

7 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

No I don’t think it would have been I just wish that health authorities had made it available because the tech was there.  

I’m still mad that we never got to the point of at at home tests.  Like pregnancy tests that we could all have voluntarily done a couple times a week.   I really think a “test like crazy” plan could have worked to keep numbers low.  

[Catwoman]

53 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

Because I have seen it mentioned before and because we are talking about undocumented cases...I want to tell the story of my kids getting tested.

 

DH had been in the hospital for about a week and a half.  I had dropped off things, including cards from the kids, almost every day.  The testing site....it was across the street from where the hospital was.  Not my first choice, but even in November....options were much more limited.

 

We sat in line in our car for well over an hour.  Perhaps an hour and a half.  Honestly, it wasn't a terribly huge ordeal because at that point, we lived 2.5 hrs from family and were use to driving that far, one way, every other month or so.  But that hour was spent in the shadow of the building Daddy was staying in.  

 

The kids did great in the car.  I did my best to both prepare them for a QTip to the brain.....while not freaking them out completely.  We discussed that I would go first and they would see that it wasn't so awful.  DS8 then declared that he would go next because he was brave like a dinosaur.  The girls couldn't decided. Finally, we get up there and............yeah......QTip to the brain.  I did my dangdest not to react...but I won't lie....at some point, those nerves behind the eyeballs kick in, and a reflex that nearly makes you gag and it's ROUGH.   So I get finished and I am trying to convince the kids that it's not so bad, through involuntary tears and sneezing (yeah...it made me sneeze a lot, I am sure the testers were super happy about that.) 

 

We pop open the side door for DS8.  He's going to be super brave.  That's exactly what he told the tester.  As she got close, he struggled, so I got out and held him as best as I could (like hands on the knees, not like traumatic strap to the car or anything lol.)  She gets started, and am constantly telling him how awesome he is doing, he's trying so hard and about halfway through he can't take it anymore and whips his head around.  This is actually not safe given the situation, but she manages to yank it out.  She explained that she had to continue they have to make sure they get enough (again, remember, November.)  We managed to get finished and he cried for about 2 minutes, then literally sucked it all back in and said that it was awful, but he is very brave.

 

The situation repeats with DD12.  And again with DD10.  I tell this to help people understand.....it's one thing to test adults, but it's another to test kids.  I can trace the chain of infection for DH to an 8yr old kid.   I happen to know this kid tested positive, but I completely understand why no parent would want to put their kids through the ordeal of testing OR of a blood draw....particularly if it's super mild for their family.  Honestly, if DH hadn't been in the hospital, we never would have tested. 

 

There are giant numbers of people who have had it and have never been confirmed.   Because as much as us 40yr olds can talk about enduring discomfort for the greater good....when it's your own kids....and they don't look any more sick than any other "just a virus," it's hard to put them through that stuff. 

I agree completely!  If it’s absolutely necessary, that’s one thing, but otherwise... nope.

[Ausmumof3]

4 minutes ago, Danae said:

Some are more accurate than others.  The spit test the college I teach at uses is 99% in both sensitivity and specificity.  We switched to spit in February, once there was a spit test available that didn't sacrifice accuracy.  I've taken 8 covid tests this semester.  Long swab, short self-administered swab, small vial of spit, larger vial of spit.  The least accurate, according to the info sheet, was the self-admin short swab.  It was also the only rapid-test.  The rest were all send-to-the-lab PCR whether they were spit or swab.   Standing across a 6 ft round table from each other and drooling into a vial is the new faculty cocktail party.  

Wow that is good!  I didn’t know they’d developed anything that accurate.  

[Danae]

6 minutes ago, HeartString said:

I’m still mad that we never got to the point of at at home tests.  Like pregnancy tests that we could all have voluntarily done a couple times a week.   I really think a “test like crazy” plan could have worked to keep numbers low.  

Minnesota has free at-home tests. They aren't instant-read, you request a kit online, it's mailed to your house, you send it back to be processed.  

 

Edit: link

Edited May 25, 2021 by Danae

[kokotg]

 

 

24 minutes ago, HeartString said:

I’m still mad that we never got to the point of at at home tests.  Like pregnancy tests that we could all have voluntarily done a couple times a week.   I really think a “test like crazy” plan could have worked to keep numbers low.  

They do have them now, though, right? https://www.cvs.com/shop/home-health-care/home-tests/home-covid-test I first heard that these were available maybe a month ago? And I've been surprised we don't hear more about them, but I guess they just came along too late to be a game changer, since vaccines came first?

[Spryte]

2 minutes ago, kokotg said:

 

 

They do have them now, though, right? https://www.cvs.com/shop/home-health-care/home-tests/home-covid-test I first heard that these were available maybe a month ago? And I've been surprised we don't hear more about them, but I guess they just came along too late to be a game changer, since vaccines came first?

Yes, we have a kit in the house, after our sick neighbors brought their kid over.  The rapid test is around $24 for two tests.  They have other options that you send away for results.

The rapid tests aren’t as accurate, but maybe worth a try.

I think having these earlier would have been excellent.

[ktgrok]

12 hours ago, HeartString said:

Some people who have had Covid still got vaccinated so there is overlap between those 2 groups.  

Right. I REALLY think we need to have "antibody" cards like we do vaccination cards, with a date that is good for say, 6 months. Then you can get rechecked and get a new card, or something. And if you have a vaccine card, you wouldn't need the antibody card. Then we could actually track how many are likely immune in the population. 

Or even a positive test card, with date, and 6 months validity, then after that you could get an antibody card if you test positive with antibodies. Something. 

Right now we have no good info on how many people are not vaccinated, but immune. 

11 hours ago, happysmileylady said:

I tell this to help people understand.....it's one thing to test adults, but it's another to test kids.  I can trace the chain of infection for DH to an 8yr old kid.   I happen to know this kid tested positive, but I completely understand why no parent would want to put their kids through the ordeal of testing OR of a blood draw....particularly if it's super mild for their family.  Honestly, if DH hadn't been in the hospital, we never would have tested. 

 

There are giant numbers of people who have had it and have never been confirmed.   Because as much as us 40yr olds can talk about enduring discomfort for the greater good....when it's your own kids....and they don't look any more sick than any other "just a virus," it's hard to put them through that stuff. 

I totally agree, and it is why I don't pay much attention to the "kids don't catch it" rhetoric.  We don't know, because no one wants to put their kids through that! I know I wouldn't! My sister's kid was exposed at school, at she never had her tested, and I understand why.

Also, NOW my area has rapid tests that are short swab, just right inside the nostrils. I only know because when I got tested I could choose rapid, pcr, or both. I did both. The rapid one was no big deal - not only not painful but not even weird. I WISH they advertised it everywhere that kids could get THAT test! I think a lot more parents would take their kids to get tested if they knew it could be that type of non traumatic test. Not as accurate, but if done at the proper time better than nothing, which is what we have now for the most part. 

10 hours ago, HeartString said:

So my back of the envelope math makes me think we have about 65-75% immunity in the country right now.  Roughly 50% from vaccine.  I’m seeing that about 1/3 of the population already had COVID, I’m rounding that up to 40% to account for an under count (and for a round number) and I’m thinking that half of those previously infected are included in the vaccinated number.  So 50% vaccinated plus 20% with natural immunity only is 70%.   Add 5% on either side…65% to 75% with some sort of immunity.  Of course that means nothing, but it’s fun to think about. 

I don't see us at 50% of the population vaccinated yet? In my area it is 33% I think. And in some areas almost everyone who already had it got vaccinated, other areas, not many at all. 

[HeartString]

1 hour ago, ktgrok said:

 

I don't see us at 50% of the population vaccinated yet? In my area it is 33% I think. And in some areas almost everyone who already had it got vaccinated, other areas, not many at all. 

Almost 50% have had at least one shot. We know that 1 shot of Moderna or Pfizer is very protective.  
 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

“That means 49.4 percent of the U.S. population had received at least one dose of the vaccine, and 39.3 percent had been fully vaccinated”

 

Like I said, totally back of the envelope.

 

 

[ktgrok]

2 minutes ago, HeartString said:

Almost 50% have had at least one shot. We know that 1 shot of Moderna or Pfizer is very protective.  
 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

“That means 49.4 percent of the U.S. population had received at least one dose of the vaccine, and 39.3 percent had been fully vaccinated”

 

Like I said, totally back of the envelope.

 

 

Gotcha. It's below that in my state. And we are a tourism hot spot, so I'm very concerned with variants -and with say the Indian variant two shots is pretty important. But for the country at large, that's good news. And I'm hopeful that once kids can be vaccinated we will have a really good percentage of the population vaccinated. 

 

[HeartString]

5 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Gotcha. It's below that in my state. And we are a tourism hot spot, so I'm very concerned with variants -and with say the Indian variant two shots is pretty important. But for the country at large, that's good news. And I'm hopeful that once kids can be vaccinated we will have a really good percentage of the population vaccinated. 

 

Yeah, it’s going to be uneven but I don’t know how to fix that really.  Unvaccinated people will tend to cluster, so will vaccinated people. It’s going to be an issue.  

[J-rap]

This is a little bit off-topic, but in at least one other country (where my dd lives :-)), if you've had Covid, then you apparently only need one Pfizer shot.  The fact that you've had Covid already counts as the first shot, so your real first shot of the Pfizer then counts as the second.  My dd's fiancé was tested when they both came down with symptoms, so his medical records show he had Covid.  He was able to get just one shot of Pfizer and get the vaccine completion certificate that his country gives.  My dd, who didn't get tested for Covid because her fiancé did and they had all the same symptoms (so it's not in her medical records -- thus no proof!), has to have both shots now in order to get the vaccine completion certificate.  And apparently when you've had Covid already, your body reacts to the first shot like many of ours does to the second.  (That was my dd's case.)  She gets her second shot in a couple weeks.

Anyway, it's interesting to see how other countries are handling all of this!

[ktgrok]

10 minutes ago, J-rap said:

This is a little bit off-topic, but in at least one other country (where my dd lives :-)), if you've had Covid, then you apparently only need one Pfizer shot.  The fact that you've had Covid already counts as the first shot, so your real first shot of the Pfizer then counts as the second.  My dd's fiancé was tested when they both came down with symptoms, so his medical records show he had Covid.  He was able to get just one shot of Pfizer and get the vaccine completion certificate that his country gives.  My dd, who didn't get tested for Covid because her fiancé did and they had all the same symptoms (so it's not in her medical records -- thus no proof!), has to have both shots now in order to get the vaccine completion certificate.  And apparently when you've had Covid already, your body reacts to the first shot like many of ours does to the second.  (That was my dd's case.)  She gets her second shot in a couple weeks.

Anyway, it's interesting to see how other countries are handling all of this!

Would a positive antibody test serve as proof of infection?

[Catwoman]

12 hours ago, Spryte said:

Yes, we have a kit in the house, after our sick neighbors brought their kid over.  The rapid test is around $24 for two tests.  They have other options that you send away for results.

The rapid tests aren’t as accurate, but maybe worth a try.

I think having these earlier would have been excellent.

I might have missed this, but how are you guys feeling? I hope you didn’t catch anything from the dad and his little girl!

[Spryte]

13 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

I might have missed this, but how are you guys feeling? I hope you didn’t catch anything from the dad and his little girl!

Thanks for checking!  Strangely, the three of us who were vaccinated each had a day of odd symptoms.  Swollen, painful glands, sore throats, fevers.  Each of us needed to sleep an entire day, basically, but all woke up, eventually, refreshed and fine.  DS was the worst, with temp 101.  Unvaxxed DD had no symptoms at all.

I just bought the rapid tests yesterday, so not sure if it’s too late to use them.  We’ve been staying home just in case, since whatever we had shouldn’t be passed along.  
 

ETA: our symptoms were all over the weekend.  Fri, Sat, and Sun - each of us on a different day. 
 

Edited May 25, 2021 by Spryte

[Catwoman]

10 minutes ago, Spryte said:

Thanks for checking!  Strangely, the three of us who were vaccinated each had a day of odd symptoms.  Swollen, painful glands, sore throats, fevers.  Each of us needed to sleep an entire day, basically, but all woke up, eventually, refreshed and fine.  DS was the worst, with temp 101.  Unvaxxed DD had no symptoms at all.

I just bought the rapid tests yesterday, so not sure if it’s too late to use them.  We’ve been staying home just in case, since whatever we had shouldn’t be passed along.  
 

ETA: our symptoms were all over the weekend.  Fri, Sat, and Sun - each of us on a different day. 
 

Thankfully, whatever it was went away quickly!

I tend to think it could have been breakthrough Covid, because the neighbor kid had cold symptoms and a cold wouldn’t go away that quickly. But obviously, I have no idea!

I would use the tests and see what happens. But first — is there a toll-free number on the box that you can call to ask if the tests should still come back positive?

Edited May 25, 2021 by Catwoman

[Spryte]

4 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

Thankfully, whatever it was went away quickly!

I tend to think it could have been breakthrough Covid, because the neighbor kid had cold symptoms and a cold wouldn’t go away that quickly. But obviously, I have no idea!

I would use the tests and see what happens. But first — is there a toll-free number on the box that you can call to ask if the tests should still come back positive?

I’ll check!

[ktgrok]

1 hour ago, Spryte said:

Thanks for checking!  Strangely, the three of us who were vaccinated each had a day of odd symptoms.  Swollen, painful glands, sore throats, fevers.  Each of us needed to sleep an entire day, basically, but all woke up, eventually, refreshed and fine.  DS was the worst, with temp 101.  Unvaxxed DD had no symptoms at all.

I just bought the rapid tests yesterday, so not sure if it’s too late to use them.  We’ve been staying home just in case, since whatever we had shouldn’t be passed along.  
 

ETA: our symptoms were all over the weekend.  Fri, Sat, and Sun - each of us on a different day. 
 

Maybe because you were more careful about keeping unvaxxed dd away?

[KSera]

2 hours ago, ktgrok said:

Gotcha. It's below that in my state. And we are a tourism hot spot, so I'm very concerned with variants -and with say the Indian variant two shots is pretty important. But for the country at large, that's good news. And I'm hopeful that once kids can be vaccinated we will have a really good percentage of the population vaccinated. 

 

That’s why I think the US vaccinated percentage, while interesting, isn’t very meaningful to no the risk level. The virus is going to behave very differently in the areas with 85% vaccinated than it will in areas with 30% vaccinated. It’s not like it’s all going to average out.

[HeartString]

8 minutes ago, KSera said:

That’s why I think the US vaccinated percentage, while interesting, isn’t very meaningful to no the risk level. The virus is going to behave very differently in the areas with 85% vaccinated than it will in areas with 30% vaccinated. It’s not like it’s all going to average out.

Hopefully  the areas with less vaccine up take will be protected with natural immunity.  I’m sure vaccination rates will inch up slowly in those areas too, but probably not past 50% or so.  There are just going to be pockets of unvaccinated people no matter what we do. 

[J-rap]

8 hours ago, ktgrok said:

Would a positive antibody test serve as proof of infection?

Apparently it does not.  They require either proof of Covid positive test at the time of sickness, or the two vaccines.  🤷‍♀️

[SKL]

I agree that this is not an easy number to estimate.

I think there won't be a huge discrepancy between vaxed people who've had Covid and unvaxed people who've had Covid.  The reasons are (a) lots of people don't know if they've had it before they get the vax, (b) people are generally encouraged to get both vax doses whether or not they've had Covid, and (c) in the US, many of those who are vaxing (at least outside the high-risk groups) are doing it more to regain access to social contact than to avoid getting sick; and that requires vaxing whether you need it or not.

Of course, I think we need a more rational approach for people who are immune because they've had Covid.

I also think there should be free Covid antibody tests.  Aside from being helpful to individuals, this would provide lots of useful data for public health IMO.

(My kids and I got antibody tests.  They are basically the same as what diabetics do daily to check their blood sugar.)

[Pen]

On 5/25/2021 at 8:12 AM, Spryte said:

Thanks for checking!  Strangely, the three of us who were vaccinated each had a day of odd symptoms.  Swollen, painful glands, sore throats, fevers.  Each of us needed to sleep an entire day, basically, but all woke up, eventually, refreshed and fine.  DS was the worst, with temp 101.  Unvaxxed DD had no symptoms at all.

I just bought the rapid tests yesterday, so not sure if it’s too late to use them.  We’ve been staying home just in case, since whatever we had shouldn’t be passed along.  
 

ETA: our symptoms were all over the weekend.  Fri, Sat, and Sun - each of us on a different day. 
 

Thank you for sharing this experience. 
 

I am glad that you all got to feeling better, whatever was going on!  
 

Did you end up trying the rapid tests? And if so what did they show? (if u already posted about that somewhere or farther down thread, I am getting caught up and have not seen it.) 

 

Unvaxxed person doing better than vaxxed people fits with some of my concerns, unfortunately. 

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15 minutes ago, Pen said:

Thank you for sharing this experience. 
 

I am glad that you all got to feeling better, whatever was going on!  
 

Did you end up trying the rapid tests? And if so what did they show? (if u already posted about that somewhere or farther down thread, I am getting caught up and have not seen it.) 

 

Unvaxxed person doing better than vaxxed people fits with some of my concerns, unfortunately. 

No, I didn’t do the tests.  We just stayed home. The unvaxxed person is a child, so possibly was asymptomatic, if it was Covid.

Two of us have immune issues, so I was pretty happy that we had had our vaccines, and felt that the shots did what I’d hoped (if it was Covid, could just as easily have been a cold or something else).

Also - I am not sure that the neighbors had Covid, just that they were sick.  They’re fine now.  Two just had their first Pfizer shots a few days ago, and no reaction at all.