Dolciani Algebra II with Trigonometry Assignment Guide Question

[cintinative]

In the past (teacher's edition) of the books (Pre-A, Alg I) and in Jurgenson Geometry, there was a "minimum course, average course, and maximum course" and we have chosen the "average course" because the maximum was too fast-paced.  The Algebra II book gives four choices: "average algebra, average algebra and trigonometry, extended algebra, and extended algebra with trigonometry"  I find myself confused because the "extended algebra with trigonometry" doesn't include all that is in "extended algebra."  The same is true of the "average algebra" and "average algebra and trigonometry."  

Can someone help here? If I don't hear anything, I am tempted to add the "average algebra" portions that are not covered to the "average algebra with trigonometry" somehow. It appears the prior owner of the Alg II teacher's book added content to the "extended algebra with trigonometry." There was a note about adding another chapter and another resource. 

[MamaSprout]

29 minutes ago, cintinative said:

In the past (teacher's edition) of the books (Pre-A, Alg I) and in Jurgenson Geometry, there was a "minimum course, average course, and maximum course" and we have chosen the "average course" because the maximum was too fast-paced.  The Algebra II book gives four choices: "average algebra, average algebra and trigonometry, extended algebra, and extended algebra with trigonometry"  I find myself confused because the "extended algebra with trigonometry" doesn't include all that is in "extended algebra."  The same is true of the "average algebra" and "average algebra and trigonometry."  

Can someone help here? If I don't hear anything, I am tempted to add the "average algebra" portions that are not covered to the "average algebra with trigonometry" somehow. It appears the prior owner of the Alg II teacher's book added content to the "extended algebra with trigonometry." There was a note about adding another chapter and another resource. 

What are you using for PreCalc? ETA: I know they base those schedules on # of days, and as homeschoolers we can be a little flexible. If you have time, cover all of it that needs covered.

I don't recall right now what was scheduled, but if you see a lot of overlap with what you covered in Alg 1, then maybe double up some of those lessons and assign fewer exercises on those lessons so you can cover the other, skipped lessons?

Edited May 11, 2021 by MamaSprout

[Sneezyone]

It’s based on the strengths/weaknesses of the student group and the course-taking pattern for the districts using the books. If the district offered trig as a separate course, they might choose extended algebra as the algebra 2 class. If the district offered only a combined algebra 2/trig class (b/c honors or gifted geometry/algebra covered some of the advanced algebra 2 topics), they’d teach the extended algebra with trig version. What has your student done before and/or what do you plan to use next?
 

When I was a student, way back when, we did the advanced/extended algebra in grade 8 (Honors Algebra I) and the extended algebra 2 with trig in grade 10 (Honors Algebra 2/Trig). AP Calculus AB was grade 11 (with a detour or repeat of trig for those who wanted/needed it).

Edited May 11, 2021 by Sneezyone
OMG...old age problems.

[cintinative]

27 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:

What has your student done before and/or what do you plan to use next?

This is what we have completed (or nearly, he is still finishing the Geometry):

Dolciani Pre-Algebra: An Accelerated Approach

Dolciani Algebra I Structure and Method

Jurgensen Geometry

 

After Algebra II I have a couple of Pre-Calculus books to choose from (or I could pick something else)

Advanced Mathematics: Precalculus with Discrete Mathematics and Data Analysis by Brown

or 

Precalculus: Functions and Graphs, A Graphing Approach by Larson, Hostetler and Edwards

@MamaSprout I think this answers your question also.

Edited May 11, 2021 by cintinative

[Sneezyone]

5 minutes ago, cintinative said:

This is what we have completed (or nearly, he is still finishing the Geometry):

Dolciani Pre-Algebra: An Accelerated Approach

Dolciani Algebra I Structure and Method

Jurgensen Geometry

 

After Algebra II I have a couple of Pre-Calculus books to choose from (or I could pick something else)

Advanced Mathematics: Precalculus with Discrete Mathematics and Data Analysis by Brown

or 

Precalculus: Functions and Graphs, A Graphing Approach by Larson, Hostetler and Edwards

That’s basically the same thing I did in the 80s/90s. I’m assuming you did the accelerated version of Dolciani and everything went ok? If so, I’d do the extended algebra 2 with trig. If not, I’d do the average algebra 2 with trigonometry. The other two options assume the students never completed the whole book and need a refresher or more time with the algebra material. 

Edited May 11, 2021 by Sneezyone

[cintinative]

Just now, Sneezyone said:

That’s basically the same thing I did in the 80s/90s. I’m assuming you did the accelerated version of Dolciani and everything went ok? If so, I’d do the extended Algebra 2 with trig. If not, I’d do the algebra with trigonometry. The other two options assume the students never completed the whole book and need a refresher or more time with the algebra material. 

No, we didn't do the maximum course for Alg I or Geometry because it was too fast--we did what they called the "average" course.  Is that what you mean?  

When you say "completed the whole book" do you mean the Algebra I book? 

[Sneezyone]

1 minute ago, cintinative said:

No, we didn't do the maximum course for Alg I or Geometry because it was too fast--we did what they called the "average" course.  Is that what you mean?  

When you say "completed the whole book" do you mean the Algebra I book? 

Yes, I mean the whole book. In schools, they usually don’t finish the whole book so material is repeated at the beginning of the next course in the sequence. If you did the average course, AND completed the whole book, try the average algebra 2 with trig.

[cintinative]

1 minute ago, Sneezyone said:

Yes, I mean the whole book. In schools, they usually don’t finish the whole book so material is repeated at the beginning of the next course in the sequence. If you did the average course, AND completed the whole book, try the average algebra 2 with trig.

Yes, we did finish the whole book. It looks like the maximum course for Alg I includes a bunch of "looking ahead" which is mostly geometry. We didn't do that, but the average course finished all the chapters in the book.  Thank you so much!

[Patricia J. Miranda]

On 5/11/2021 at 5:58 PM, cintinative said:

In the past (teacher's edition) of the books (Pre-A, Alg I) and in Jurgenson Geometry, there was a "minimum course, average course, and maximum course" and we have chosen the "average course" because the maximum was too fast-paced.  The Algebra II book gives four choices: "average algebra, average algebra and trigonometry, extended algebra, and extended algebra with trigonometry"  I find myself confused because the "extended algebra with trigonometry" doesn't include all that is in "extended algebra."  The same is true of the "average algebra" and "average algebra and trigonometry."  

I've heard a lot of good things and reviews about these books. But, I want to ask advice, is there any point in learning from them on my own, or is it best to consider them with a teacher/tutor? I am now at the stage of learning precalculus and trigonometry, and sometimes I often turn to https://plainmath.net/secondary/calculus-and-analysis/precalculus/trigonometry for help, because in my time I missed a lot. Honestly, I don’t know if I’ll master this part of algebra on my own.

Can someone help here? If I don't hear anything, I am tempted to add the "average algebra" portions that are not covered to the "average algebra with trigonometry" somehow. It appears the prior owner of the Alg II teacher's book added content to the "extended algebra with trigonometry." There was a note about adding another chapter and another resource. 

I've heard a lot of good things and reviews about these books. But, I want to ask advice, is there any point in learning from them on my own, or is it best to consider them with a teacher/tutor?

Edited October 1, 2021 by Patricia J. Miranda

[cintinative]

I think they are pretty good at self-teaching, but the book that is the subject of this thread is Algebra II. I would not attempt it until I had covered Algebra I and Geometry on my own first.

There is another thread on here about a self-teaching Algebra I course.   I would check out that thread also: