Has anyone seen the Holiday Inn viral video where the worker has a breakdown?

[pinball]

I’m not going to link it bc I think not only was it absolutely vile to record him, it was downright evil to post it to social media.

this poor kid was clearly in panic or some type of mental health crisis so shoving a camera in his face wasn’t going to help.

then when he completely broke down, to follow him as he ran away...what is this world coming to?

the default of whipping a phone out, or always having it out is really awful. Can people only interact with a screen/recording happening anymore?

[mommyoffive]

I haven't seen it but I hate this new thing too.  I mean a lot of good has come from it (George Floyd is one), but I think it has a bad side too.  

[Catwoman]

I didn’t see it, but it sounds awful. 😢

I hope the poor guy is okay. What a terrible violation of his privacy, and what a complete lack of caring and compassion by the idiot who filmed him instead of trying to help him.

[happi duck]

I hadn't heard of this so thanks for the warning. I don't want to watch stuff like that.

Eta: looks like there's a go fund me for the worker

Edited April 28, 2021 by happi duck

[Emba]

I have often thought about this. My first reaction to seeing things is not to whip out my phone and record video-like even to the point I miss recording my kids doing cute things and it only occurs to me much later. So that someone would do that instead of trying to help in a situation where someone is clearly in distress is just completely incomprehensible. (I haven’t watched the video, so I’m saying this as a general thing) If you afraid a person or situation is dangerous, at least you can be looking/calling for help.

[OH_Homeschooler]

8 minutes ago, Emba said:

I have often thought about this. My first reaction to seeing things is not to whip out my phone and record video-like even to the point I miss recording my kids doing cute things and it only occurs to me much later. So that someone would do that instead of trying to help in a situation where someone is clearly in distress is just completely incomprehensible. (I haven’t watched the video, so I’m saying this as a general thing) If you afraid a person or situation is dangerous, at least you can be looking/calling for help.

If someone has already called for help, or if someone else is there to help the person, often there is not much more that can be done. I don't think it's often the case that people are recording INSTEAD of helping. In this video, it was the harasser who recorded the breakdown, so it's pretty clear they weren't going to help. Their goal was only to cause harm.

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by OH_Homeschooler

[Sneezyone]

15 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

I'm not sure what the true story here is. Stories that go viral on social media are often amplified by people with agendas. 

It's interesting that it quickly turned into a story about false claims of racism and harassing the hotel clerk.  

 

 

I guess when your other fundraising methods are cut off...

It does make you wonder if this is like that dog woman in Central Park or even Jussy Smollet— a desperate cry for attention and sympathy that someone recorded out of equal parts horror, humor, and disbelief.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[MercyA]

I was on a walk with my parents this morning, and my mom said she wishes she could buy every poor person in the country a cell phone so that acts of injustice don't go unrecorded. Recordings have been invaluable in showing the country the blatant, violent racism that still exists here and absolutely crucial in bringing killers to justice.

Jerks are going to be jerks sometimes and use tools like phones for harm. 😞 

Edited April 28, 2021 by MercyA

[JumpyTheFrog]

Tariq Nasheed is the person who posted the video of the clerk being harassed. His profile says he is a "race baiter."

[Catwoman]

47 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

Okay...and what does that prove? Don't you think he's trying to be sarcastic? 

I think we need to ask ourselves why we're so willing to believe the narrative here. 

ETA none of us know what actually happened but it seems obvious that some disreputable people are involved in amplifying this story. I feel sorry for the young man in the video but no interaction between a white person and a black person in the USA is devoid of history. 

We can do better than getting dragged into being outraged about this. 

 

Shouldn’t we all be outraged that someone (anyone!) posted a video like this online?

Edited April 28, 2021 by Catwoman
Words are hard.

[JumpyTheFrog]

I have no idea what actually happened before the video begins. But the guy who took the video (whoever it was) and the guy who posted it (whom I knew nothing about before any of this) certainly showed the world what jerks they are. Isn't bringing up the GoFundMe being started by someone "referred to as a Nazi" some sort of logical fallacy?

Edited April 28, 2021 by JumpyTheFrog

[Sneezyone]

3 hours ago, JumpyTheFrog said:

Tariq Nasheed is the person who posted the video of the clerk being harassed. His profile says he is a "race baiter."

No, it says he ‘baits racists’ which implies drawing something out into the open not that he’s a ‘race baiter’ which implies trying to inject race into every encounter/situation. There’s a difference there. Regardless, I see the OPs interest in  fanning the outrage flames continues.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Catwoman]

4 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:

No, it says he ‘baits racists’ which implies drawing something out into the open not that he’s a ‘race baiter’ which implies trying to inject race into every encounter/situation. There’s a difference there. Regardless, I see the OPs interest in  fanning the outrage flames continues.

Did I miss something? I have only seen one post in this thread by the OP. 

[Sneezyone]

2 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

Did I miss something? I have only seen one post in this thread by the OP. 

Yep, missing something. There’s a definite pattern/practice through multiple threads. Pinball and Fritz are birds of a feather.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[WildflowerMom]

Nm...  the more I read, the more it seems only one crappy human was involved.   😞

Edited April 29, 2021 by WildflowerMom

[Catwoman]

Just now, Sneezyone said:

Yep, missing something. There’s a definite pattern/practice.

Ok. I must have missed those threads. Pinball doesn’t have that many posts yet, and she has seemed nice in the threads where I have interacted with her, so I was surprised to see your comment. 

[Sneezyone]

4 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

Not true.  His twitter page actually says straight out "I'm the worlds #1 Race Baiter.  I bait racists and exploit them."  You are reading a difference that he himself is not stating on his page. 

 

And he's exploiting this hotel employee.  No one in the video ever once mentions race.  No one uses a racial slur.  In fact, I am pretty sure, watching the video, that the customer never intended to use the video as an example of racial problems in America.....I suspect he thought he was gonna get a comped room from Holiday Inn for whatever the mistake was.  He talks about the people working there....not the race of the employee. 

 

However, "the world's #1 Race Baiter" I think.........................is trying to draw people to his twitter page to promote his new documentary.

Expose means exactly that...draw out and display/show. The person I quoted said his ‘profile’ which is what I looked to for confirmation. I don’t have time to troll his tweets. Still, words mean things and he didn’t define himself as was portrayed.  I’m not wrong. You may not like his tactics, I find it silly and pointless myself, but these individuals are equally gross and neither is especially sympathetic.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Catwoman]

20 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:

Yep, missing something. There’s a definite pattern/practice through multiple threads. Pinball and Fritz are birds of a feather.

Quoting you again because I just noticed that you added to your post. 🙂 

I don’t really know Fritz at all, but his/her posts that I have noticed were all in controversial threads. On the other hand, I have seen pinball in a variety of threads, and she doesn’t seem particularly focused on anything specific. I see her joking around as often as I see her post anything serious. But again, I do miss a lot of threads.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Catwoman
Didn’t want to ignore half of your post, Sneezy!

[Sneezyone]

4 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

Not wrong about what......that he doesn't have the words "I am the worlds #1 Race Baiter" on his page?  I don't even have a twitter account and I can google Tariq Nasheed and see his page and see those words.  I don't have to troll his tweets to do it.  This is the actual thing that pops up with no effort on my part

 

He quite clearly says "I am the word's #1 Race Baiter" is very obvious text with no trolling required.  It's right up there in front for the world to see, not hidden in random tweets.  If he doesn't actually want to be referred to as a "Race Baiter"  then he probably shouldn't label himself as such as his tagline on twitter.

Sorry, no interest in playing disingenuous, semantic games with you. If you read past the definition this individual is using, that’s on you. The meaning of his words is pretty darn clear. Ignore that as you see fit. I maintain that no one here is smelling like a rose. There are no victims. They’re both gross.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Sneezyone]

8 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

Quoting you again because I just noticed that you added to your post. 🙂 

I don’t really know Fritz at all, but his/her posts that I have noticed were all in controversial threads. On the other hand, I have seen pinball in a variety of threads, and she doesn’t seem particularly focused on anything specific. I see her joking around as often as I see her post anything serious. But again, I do miss a lot of threads.

No worries. I miss a lot too. I have a memory like a steel trap for people who adopt positions that dehumanize/minimize me/mine. It may sometimes blind me to to other threads too.

[Sneezyone]

5 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

So, you started with "race baiter is different that bait racists" and now you want to step back from semantics? If you don't want to debate semantics, why start with them?

 

Reality is....Tariq Nasheed didn't record this video at all.  He took someone else's recording and ran with it.  I don't know who's video he took and I don't know the original intention of the recording by the customer. 

 

In the video, the customer behaved like an arse.  Ultimately, that's the biggest problem.  The employee needs help, the customer exploited him online...for twitter likes or a comped room or some other reason, I dunno.  The customer was wrong.  Even if the mistake was in the Holiday Inn computer system, the customer posting the video of the employee obviously breaking down....it's wrong.  Nothing about the video exposes anything racial, it exposes the treatment of mentally ill people in the US. 

I started with it because directly under his name and face, the words ‘I bait racists’ were present. If you choose to ignore his further explanation about exposing racists, again, that’s on you. His meaning wasn’t unclear. I am not interested in excusing this individual, nor am I interested in condoning willful ignorance. I recognize, however, that many people equate ‘race baiting’ with targeting innocent people for harm. That is CLEARLY not what this individual is intent upon doing.

And with that, feel free to enjoy your outrage.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Sneezyone]

10 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

So, you started with "race baiter is different that bait racists" and now you want to step back from semantics? If you don't want to debate semantics, why start with them?

 

Reality is....Tariq Nasheed didn't record this video at all.  He took someone else's recording and ran with it.  I don't know who's video he took and I don't know the original intention of the recording by the customer. 

 

In the video, the customer behaved like an arse.  Ultimately, that's the biggest problem.  The employee needs help, the customer exploited him online...for twitter likes or a comped room or some other reason, I dunno.  The customer was wrong.  Even if the mistake was in the Holiday Inn computer system, the customer posting the video of the employee obviously breaking down....it's wrong.  Nothing about the video exposes anything racial, it exposes the treatment of mentally ill people in the US. 

I am happy we agree that racists are mentally ill. 😁 It’s the best I can do.

[Sneezyone]

Just now, happysmileylady said:

That doesn't even make sense?  The fact that the employee is clearly having a crisis of mental illness does not mean he is racist?

See Terabith’s post. Thanks. You’re being played. Like a fiddle.

[Melissa Louise]

I've seen it.

It's disgusting. 

Ableism is alive and well. 

Shame on those calling this 'a tantrum'. How privileged are you that you've never witnessed the self-attacking pain of severe mental ill-health. 

There was zero excuse for the person filming to follow the employee and continuing filming. 

[Sneezyone]

3 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

I don't see that Terabith has posted in the thread at all (and I don't have her on ignore, so if I am missing it I apologize....I don't have anyone on ignore)

 

And unfortunately, I think we are all being played, for free advertising, at the expense of a mentally ill individual. 

You’re right. Wasn’t terabith but ordinary shoes. I’m cooking dinner. I don’t see how this is significant or newsworthy, at all. The fact that OP found it so is more concerning. There’s no need to amplify this. Just so you know...OP IS...where?? IJS. Watch what they do.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Melissa Louise]

8 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

Okay...and what does that prove? Don't you think he's trying to be sarcastic? 

I think we need to ask ourselves why we're so willing to believe the narrative here. 

ETA none of us know what actually happened but it seems obvious that some disreputable people are involved in amplifying this story. I feel sorry for the young man in the video but no interaction between a white person and a black person in the USA is devoid of history. 

We can do better than getting dragged into being outraged about this. 

 

Don't quote.

Sure, I'll ask myself that question.

Personal info removed. 

Hmm. Could be. 

I'm not donating to this fundraiser. I don't hang out with neo-Nazis. 

But seriously, f*CK this ableism. 

It's almost like none of you GET intersectionality. Intersecting axes of oppression. Disability is one of those axes. 

Shame, shame, shame. 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2021 by Melissa Louise

[Sneezyone]

6 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

Are you referring to the post where she said that stories on social media are amplified by people with agendas?  Cause..........................................................................................I am pretty sure that's not that much different than what I was saying.

 

 

 

Tariq Nasheed didn't record the video.

 

And the dude who started the go fund me isn't the employee. 

 

People not involved in the video at all are blowing it up.  Why might that be? 

 

Dollars. 

 

Mental illness is being exploited here.  It's wrong. 

I am NOT disagreeing with the bolded. I am saying that this ORIGINAL POST was made for the same reason, with a twist b/c it fits an agenda. We are all being played.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Catwoman]

I still can’t bring myself to watch the video, but apparently Holiday Inn has weighed in on the issue.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/shocking-holiday-inn-video-of-employee-crying-is-unacceptable-parent-company-says/ar-BB1g9s6D?ocid=uxbndlbing

[Melissa Louise]

Oh God, because what's important here is progressives getting one up on a conservative poster. Not the way the mentally ill are treated as if it's still the Middle Ages. Let's make fun of the schizo guy for justice yay!

The video was boosted by a provocateur who considers himself at the forefront of all good and holy. It was.all over Twitter last night. Nobody had to search it out. Who gives a toss that another poster with an 'agenda' brings it up here. Stable, horse etc.

 

[Sneezyone]

11 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

Oh God, because what's important here is progressives getting one up on a conservative poster. Not the way the mentally ill are treated as if it's still the Middle Ages. Let's make fun of the schizo guy for justice yay!

The video was boosted by a provocateur who considers himself at the forefront of all good and holy. It was.all over Twitter last night. Nobody had to search it out. Who gives a toss that another poster with an 'agenda' brings it up here. Stable, horse etc.

 

People who ‘give a care’ don’t actually want to see the amplification of crap to suit ANY agenda. It’s unhelpful. If something raises legitimate questions about mental health, that’s great fodder for discussion. This actually doesn’t b/c it had ZERO context with respect to confounding issues. We don’t know what happened before or after. It’s a snippet. Neither individual had any enhanced duty to care. It’s equally enlightening that even the OP has no freaking clue and abandoned the thread once begun.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Melissa Louise]

6 hours ago, Sneezyone said:

People who ‘give a care’ don’t actually work want to see the amplification of crap to suit ANY agenda. It’s unhelpful. If something raises legitimate questions about mental health, that’s great fodder for discussion. This actually doesn’t b/c it had ZERO context with respect to confounding issues. We don’t know what happened before or after. It’s a snippet.

You are justifying someone following and filming a person exhibiting behaviours correlated with severe mental stress who removes themself from the situation to try to self manage. 

It doesn't matter what happened before* or after. Filming that, boosting itl, making excuses for it, defending the guy who decided to send it viral is abject ableism. If you don't give a shit about ableism towards whites, remember that mental illness strikes brown girls too. 

personal info removed

Although if you want to talk about before, let's not leave out reports that the customer called the employee a f*ggot.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2021 by Melissa Louise

[Sneezyone]

4 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

You are justifying someone following and filming a person exhibiting behaviours correlated with severe mental stress who removes themself from the situation to try to self manage. 

It doesn't matter what happened before* or after. Filming that, boosting itl, making excuses for it, defending the guy who decided to send it viral is abject ableism. If you don't give a shit about ableism towards whites, remember that mental illness strikes brown girls likely DD too. (Whose had cops called on her during her single psychotic break, just so you know. So that's fun.)

Although if you want to talk about before, let's not leave out reports that the customer called the employee a f*ggot.

 

 

 

 

Ok, whatevs. I’m pretty sure I explicitly said I thought they were BOTH gross for different reasons but let me know if I said otherwise.

[Sneezyone]

8 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

I don't know about the agenda of the OP.  I don't care about the agenda of the OP.  She's not going to make money based off a post on a WTM forum.  Therefore, whether or not she has some hidden agenda behind exploiting mental illness is rather irrelevant.  People who DO stand to make money ARE exploiting mental illness.  For twitter likes, which ultimately translate to dollars for people who make a living as social media influencers.  Literally no post in this forum is going to ever go viral ever.  But the people blowing up this video, they did it specifically to make it go viral to suit their own agenda.   If you have a problem with the OP of a WTM post.....if you think that person has an agenda....take that up with them.  Don't lead a post with "race baiter isn't the same as bait racists" and then claim you don't want to argue about semantics all in a bid to expose the OP as someone with an agenda. 

Nope, no money, just drama. I defended, explicitly, my perspective on the language. I didn’t post and run. It’s not my style. I really do have to go tho so I don’t burn my taco meat.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Catwoman]

47 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:

I am NOT disagreeing with the bolded. I am saying that this ORIGINAL POST was made for the same reason, with a twist b/c it fits an agenda. We are all being played.

I honestly thought the thread was started because the OP felt sorry for a mentally ill hotel employee. I didn’t see any kind of racial undertones. I just thought pinball was very upset with the person who filmed the poor young man’s mental breakdown and then posted it online for 350 million of his closest friends to view. I think it’s pretty horrible that anyone would seek to profit off of that young man’s emotional breakdown. There is absolutely no good reason for ever having filmed that video at all, let alone posting it online.

I have re-read the original post several times, and I just don’t see any agenda here. How is pinball playing us? I genuinely don’t understand. It just seemed like she saw a news story, got upset by it, and posted it here. 

Edited to add: I want to point out that I had no idea whatsoever that this was about a black man and a white man when I read the OP. She never mentioned it, and because I didn’t watch the video, I didn’t know it until people here started making it into a racial discussion.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Catwoman

[Sneezyone]

I’m gonna ignore the blatant playing into drama and address the REAL elephant. 
 

I need to say this explicitly for those who seem to believe I am, or see myself and my family, as perfect and beyond reproach. I am not and I don’t. I’ve posted in multiple threads about the challenges we face, from DHs frequent and involuntary absences, to my intermittently functional parent, to my kids who are burdened by learning disabilities and autism, to my weight. The difference is that while I feel strongly about these things, I don’t feel overly burdened by them, and am not swayed by push back WRT my opinions.
 

I’m absolutely not unaware of how mental illness intersects with other characteristics. My sister is bipolar. I’ve lived with those manifestations for most of my life. My son is autistic. He’s verbal with people he knows and rarely with strangers. My DD has ADHD and doesn’t have a firm sexual preference, we’re also, ACTUALLY, black. These things absolutely complicate my life. I am not at all confused about the ways these characteristics impact their experiences with armed people and LEOs in the USA. BTDT. Not gonna talk about it, thanks.

For the longest time, I thought Melissa’s kids were of African decent. They’re not. That’s cool, of course, but she was relentless about equating the experiences of her kids with mine and imputing negative motives where none existed. Half my damn family is white including my 70yo aunties and uncles. Interracial families go back 200 years in my family. I didn’t get to be this color by accident and didn’t just discover this in my 20s. Code-switching is my life not a buzzword or thought exercise.

I tend to discuss my kids and our life more in generalities than specifics because my peeps deserve privacy but enough is enough. We may not agree but that doesn’t mean I don’t have any experience with these challenges and I’m tired of biting my tongue in the face of obvious digs. 

3 hours ago, Catwoman said:

I honestly thought the thread was started because the OP felt sorry for a mentally ill hotel employee. I didn’t see any kind of racial undertones. I just thought pinball was very upset with the person who filmed the poor young man’s mental breakdown and then posted it online for 350 million of his closest friends to view. I think it’s pretty horrible that anyone would seek to profit off of that young man’s emotional breakdown. There is absolutely no good reason for ever having filmed that video at all, let alone posting it online.

I have re-read the original post several times, and I just don’t see any agenda here. How is pinball playing us? I genuinely don’t understand. It just seemed like she saw a news story, got upset by it, and posted it here. 

Edited to add: I want to point out that I had no idea whatsoever that this was about a black man and a white man when I read the OP. She never mentioned it, and because I didn’t watch the video, I didn’t know it until people here started making it into a racial discussion.

No It doesn’t suit the agenda of the OP to make that issue explicit.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Sneezyone

[pinball]

I started this thread because the young man and his situation hit very close to home to me. I am assuming he was having an extreme stress reaction, perhaps due to an underlying mental health situation.

I feel awful for him. 

[Melissa Louise]

37 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

But the agenda in amplifying this has nothing to do with advocating for mentally ill people. It's about race. It's intended to delegitimatize claims that racism is still a problem in the USA. 

The concern about the "race baiter" language is consistent. What a non-issue. 

This is how these things go in the USA. There's an event and it goes through the right-wing media world. Everything gets offended. The people involved in the event, whether right or wrong, are irrelevant. No one really cares about that young man. There will be another outrage tomorrow and everyone will forget about this young man. 

We see this characterized as an angry (black) man "harassing" this young man. That alone raises red flags for me knowing the history of race in this country. 

 

"harassed?'

What's with the quote marks?

You think following, filming and publishing the video of someone trying to self regulate after a mental break is ever NOT harrassment?  

[Catwoman]

12 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

Yes, I've watched the video. 

We keep going around and around. The existence of the video is not the point. It's the reaction to the video that tells the real story. 

 

I feel like I’m missing your point here, and I am genuinely trying to understand. 

What reaction to the video? And how does it tell the real story?

Because the people who have posted on this thread all seem to be upset about the same thing — a young, mentally ill hotel employee was filmed as he had an emotional breakdown on the job, and the video was posted online for all to see. It seemed like an incredible invasion of the young man’s privacy, and people are shocked at the lack of compassion on the part of the person who filmed the video.

What am I missing here? 

[Melissa Louise]

3 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

Yeah and I beat my wife too...oh wait I don't have a wife. 

Nobody knows what actually happened here so there's no use getting offended about something originating in the right-wing outrage machine. 

I've been pretty clear about not knowing what actually happened here. All I do know is how this is being amplified in segments of the right-wing outrage machine. 

Wow. 

[KeriJ]

This has to be one of the most confusing threads.😄

[Sneezyone]

10 minutes ago, KeriJ said:

This has to be one of the most confusing threads.😄

There are A LOT of undercurrents.

[Catwoman]

3 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

Someone filmed this incident and posted it online (reddit?) and then Tariq Nasheed shared it on his Twitter feed. It was picked up by people on the right and it became a 'thing.' 

Now we have people being offended because Nasheed is a "self proclaimed race-baiter." Come on - that's ridiculous. That's like saying that Nasheed is the "real racist" because white people feel uncomfortable when race is discussed. 

The "real story" is not what happened in the incident. No one but two men involved have any idea what actually happened. The real story is how incidents like these are used to manufacture outrage and undermine claims about racial injustice. 

 

Ok, but how does this tie in to the OP, which was about the incident, and never mentioned Tariq Nasheed? 

It seems like this story is all over the internet today. I saw it on MSN when I went looking for more details. I don’t follow right wing media, so I have no idea what they are saying about it. 

[Catwoman]

1 minute ago, happysmileylady said:

Ah....ok, now I understand, I think....you are discussing the amplification, and not the actual video itself because you think that is actually irrelevant.  Genuinely, am I understanding you or not?  Because if that's what you are actually saying...................then we are just straight talking about two different things.  Which is ok that we have different things to talk about, I am just trying to understand the conversation you are having. 

Ok, if that’s the case, no wonder I’m having trouble following along!

[Catwoman]

2 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

So people are outraged. What's the outcome? Will they demand workplace protections for people with disabilities? Will they demand better access to adequate healthcare? 

Or will they complain that Tariq Nasheed is a "self-proclaimed race baiter" and claim that there is no racism today? 

That's how we know what actually matters here. 

 

You seem to be talking about a much bigger picture here. I thought we were just talking about whether or not it was wrong for a guy to film another guy’s mental breakdown and post it on the internet.

[Sneezyone]

8 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

You seem to be talking about a much bigger picture here. I thought we were just talking about whether or not it was wrong for a guy to film another guy’s mental breakdown and post it on the internet.

*YOU* are having that conversation and looking at it from that lens but past experience tells me the OP is not. This is a forum full of largely smart and intuitive people. We know what to say and not to say to have plausible deniability.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Sneezyone

[bolt.]

10 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

The real story is how incidents like these are used to manufacture outrage and undermine claims about racial injustice. 

Okay, now that I understand what people are saying... please explain that process to me.

(a) I understand that the 'incident' (that a man was filmed while he was intensely vulnerable, then the video was widely shared) can stimulate outrage (because that shouldn't happen).

(b) I don't understand why the outrage would be characterized as 'manufactured outrage'. Is it because if the video was not publicized, fewer people would know, and so fewer people would be reacting with indignation-and-or-outrage at his mistreatment?

(c) I don't understand who would be wanting that greater reaction, who it would help, who it would hurt, or why anybody would involve themselves for any reason other than concern about the vulnerable employee and people with similar difficulties.

(d) I don't understand in what ways the reaction to this video could impact claims about racial injustice in any way. The ideas don't seem connected to me. Why would claims about general/systemic racial injustice would be undermined by the content of this video? Or by the amplification of videos of this kind?

(e) If there is a nefarious reason to amplify this video... does that also mean that nobody who mentions it could be doing so out of concern about the vulnerable employee and people with similar difficulties? Can their intention be discovered? Do their intentions matter?

[MercyA]

I'm sorry to put it this way, really I am, but to be blunt--I live in redneck country. (And honestly? I like rednecks just fine, just not the racist ones.)  Confederate flags everywhere, very anti-BLM.

I also live in an area in which mental illness and mental disabilities are not well understood. They are often seen as a spiritual problem or a lack of discipline or some such nonsense. Most people here have probably never heard the term ableism. 

People WILL see this video and make it about a black person harassing a white person. They just will. And my cynical self says that is part of the reason it's being put out there.

That poor man. 😞 

ETA: My parents told me just this morning that someone they know was complaining about "reverse discrimination" yesterday. If only that person showed as much concern for, you know, people being murdered because of their skin color. 

Edited April 29, 2021 by MercyA

[Sneezyone]

12 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

Is it possible for both the racial conversation and the mental illness conversation to be had at the same time without one superseding the other?  I mean that question generally and not within the specific context of "people you know" or "the OP has a history of..."

 

Just generally, can conversations of exploitation of mental illness for social media fame be had at the same time as a conversation about racial issues, without a contest about which is worse?   Or does the fact that there are racial differences between the two people involved in the video mean that the two issues will always be at war with each other for awfulness?

 

Sure they can, in theory. In fact tho, at least in the US, they’re not. When is the last time RW media amplified the abuse of people with disabilities outside of a complicating racial or demographic issue? —An undocumented immigrant or PoC committed the crime. Did the abuse of that 73yo dementia patient get the same play? It’s all a scheme to manipulate and shift public priorities.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Sneezyone]

6 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

Perhaps we should not assume that a message board full of homeschooling moms (and a few dads) is an actual representative sample of the US. 

Isn’t it tho? We represent most states and a variety of socioeconomic levels. We are subject, at least in the US, to the same media influences and zeitgeist. We’re certainly not immune.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Sneezyone

[Sneezyone]

2 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

Although its true to say that no space is immune to people who are evil.......of COURSE this space isn't representative of the general population of the US.  To me, that seems like a given.  Obviously it's not a given to others. 

Huh? I didn’t suggest anyone here was evil. I said we’re all (US posters) subject to the same media influences and represent the gammut  socioeconomically from coast to coast. We have members in poverty and those of wealth and everything in between. We have people who homeschool and those with kids in public and private schools. We have immigrants and native born members, even international posters. Do you think that’s not so?

Edited April 29, 2021 by Sneezyone