Carol in Cal. Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, kand said: I read a story over the weekend that was pretty gutting to me, about a young adult with down syndrome who had been waiting for his chance to get the vaccine, but contracted Covid before that could happen, and he just passed away from it after being on a ventilator. He stayed home to try to stay protected, but his mom works as a greeter at Walmart. She contracted Covid at work, likely from a customer or possibly co-worker, and her son caught it from her. How absolutely gut wrenching. This, to me, is a perfect(ly awful) example of why even people who aren't worried about Covid for themselves should consider the ramifications to others if they don't do what they can to prevent the spread (like masking and vaccinating). "He Mattered: Vincent Welch, Michigan man with down syndrome who could not get Covid vaccine has died" QFT. This is another thing that has been striking me as I'm reading news from around the world. How anyone could see the devastation happening all over the world due to Covid and then claim it all to be some kind of US politician ploy for power is beyond me. You say it well when you say there isn't a tinfoil hat big enough. Here's another sad story I read over the weekend that made me think of some of the Covid-denier threads here. In Brazil, over 1300 babies have died of Covid so far 😪 Until I had a friend whose daughter was born with Down’s Syndrome, I had not heard that one characteristic of it is smaller than normal air passages. So it doesn’t surprise me that they would be a high risk from Covid, even when young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spryte Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) OP, don’t worry about what other people are doing. You don’t even have to tell them. I think you’re pretty cool for planning to get the vaccine when it’s going against the grain where you are. It’s hard to do that. You’re doing something for people besides yourself, but it will also give you something as well. FWIW, I had to conquer some vaccine fear. I talked to my docs about it, and came away knowing it was the right choice. And I have lot of docs on board right now! 🙄 All were in favor, with explanations about why and how it works. Looking forward to seeing your post in the personal vaccination stories thread... Edited April 20, 2021 by Spryte Typos 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Catwoman said: — if there is information out there that I haven’t heard, I want to know about it! My brother is allergic to PEG so he has to wait for J&J to be available in his country. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/specific-groups/allergies.html "If you are allergic to polyethylene glycol (PEG) or polysorbate PEG and polysorbate are closely related to each other. PEG is an ingredient in the mRNA vaccines, and polysorbate is an ingredient in the J&J/Janssen vaccine. If you are allergic to PEG, you should not get an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. Ask your doctor if you can get the J&J/Janssen vaccine. If you are allergic to polysorbate, you should not get the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine. Ask your doctor if you can get an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine." 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Elizabeth86 said: So, the time has finally come for the "everybody else" category people to get covid vaccines. I was feeling pretty sure about getting it. . I just went online to sign up and I kind of froze up. I personally agree with Ellie. But if you are asking for and want a JAWM type pep talk, I would say that you are the best judge for your own situation. if you are really ready to get it, get it! (ETA - and your characterization of people around you who are not getting it such as Iirc your husband as “nutjobs” (“WELL no valid concern. My dh, many many many friends and family are anti-mask, anti-covid vaccine and the type that just keep saying "it's just a virus." SO normally, I agree with these nutjobs on many things, BUT NOT on covid. We have been clearly divided on this. ...” ) strongly suggests to me that you do want the vaccine and think it the right thing to do for yourself — unless that term was used just to feel like it would fit here on WTM better. I know some couples weathering one getting and one not getting the vaccine. I suspect more difficult will be if decisions need to be made about younger aged children. In that case I suspect spouse disagreements will be more fraught.) If you are truly not sure yet, Go over the information available to you. Seek out more information if you wish. Ask God for clarity if you are so inclined. And then do what you think is best for your own life situation. If you decide that having a vaccination is right for you, then go for it! Or if you take a pause to think on it longer and to decide , and then later on decide it is right for you, again, by all means, go for it! Quote Like, tell me, I'll be fine. Please? I cannot in honesty tell you that you will be fine. Short term? Well statistically probably short term you will be fine and won’t be one of the short term deaths. But long term? Long term, I personally simply do not know that people, you or anyone, will “be fine”. I do not believe we have a knowledge basis for such a determination. Will there be ADE problems in a year or two, or three, or autoimmune problems down the road, or some other problems? Maybe. I think whatever our choice, it is like we are all part of a giant experiment. Not double blind, and not random controlled, but where some of us are in the groups getting the new experimental treatments, and some of us are in the control groups not getting it, perhaps choosing some alternative approaches or perhaps not. ETA- even potentially if your dh does not get vaccinated and you do, that’s itself like an experiment “group” in this huge real life experiment to see how one vaccinated and one not vaccinated spouse will do over time. Edited April 20, 2021 by Pen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Selkie said: I'm not sure how you missed that information, but it has been common knowledge for many months now. Not a secret at all. I never heard anyone say that this would be the type of vaccine that needs no boosters ever. I'm a bit confused by how many people seem blindsided by this. 4 hours ago, SeaConquest said: I am sorry that supply has been so uneven. I honestly blame that on the county because the standards have varied across counties and were set by the local authorities. In SD, they opened up the supply to people with BMI over 25 almost a month ago, which was almost everyone, and I got my husband a vax appointment the next day. ETA: California is in the top 10 re vaccinations. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html I think there are probably lots of places where the infrastructure to distribute is in place, but they just don't have the supply yet. They just can't make the stuff fast enough. It's a little disconcerting how only a few countries are even able to make it. This seems like quite the oversight. 2 hours ago, kand said: I read a story over the weekend that was pretty gutting to me, about a young adult with down syndrome who had been waiting for his chance to get the vaccine, but contracted Covid before that could happen, and he just passed away from it after being on a ventilator. He stayed home to try to stay protected, but his mom works as a greeter at Walmart. She contracted Covid at work, likely from a customer or possibly co-worker, and her son caught it from her. How absolutely gut wrenching. This, to me, is a perfect(ly awful) example of why even people who aren't worried about Covid for themselves should consider the ramifications to others if they don't do what they can to prevent the spread (like masking and vaccinating). "He Mattered: Vincent Welch, Michigan man with down syndrome who could not get Covid vaccine has died" QFT. This is another thing that has been striking me as I'm reading news from around the world. How anyone could see the devastation happening all over the world due to Covid and then claim it all to be some kind of US politician ploy for power is beyond me. You say it well when you say there isn't a tinfoil hat big enough. Here's another sad story I read over the weekend that made me think of some of the Covid-denier threads here. In Brazil, over 1300 babies have died of Covid so far 😪 This is heartbreaking. We've been locked down for over a year to protect my disabled son. People who want to just take their chances with Covid, but don't really CARE about the people they could transmit to REALLY upset me. You're not making a decision that only effects you. It's doubly upsetting that the anti-vaxxers are largely in the anti-masker group. The do NOT care beyond their own convenience. @Elizabeth86, if you are surrounded by anti-vaxxers it's going to be harder for you to do this. A lot of the anti-vax rhetoric is politically connected. Some people get medical advice from the same place they get general news. Try getting medical advice from medical sources instead. Just go online to places like the CDC, Johns Hopkins website, NIH, or the WHO. Even your local hospital could have some science-based articles for you to read. If you are surrounded by people that don't take masking or vaccinating seriously, then your odds of getting Covid will definitely go up. The odds that your community will experience another wave will definitely go up. The Corona Virus is just looking for a place to live and you have to decide it you are keeping your doors open or not. FWIW, I got the discontinued vaccine. I got every side effect. My discomfort was OVER in a day and the relief of having my entire family vaccinated is indescribable. It's been the first feeling of great hope I've had since this all began. Edited April 19, 2021 by KungFuPanda 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 If I were around people who were anti-mask and anti-covid vaccine and who thought (wrongly) the getting Covid is no worse than the flu, I'd be extra-motivated to get the vaccine (understatement alert) as I'd figure that my odds of contracting this disease would be sky high. Just a matter of time, with the clock ticking. Protect yourself. Help protect others. Bill 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbutton Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, City Mouse said: If you want it, don’t worry about what those people will say. You don’t have to tell the (except probably your DH). Most likely no one will know one way or another unless you tell them. The anti-vax crowd is all about normalizing the idea that it is rude to ask someone's vaccine status, so I agree that if you are worried about what people will say, just don't tell them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, kbutton said: The anti-vax crowd is all about normalizing the idea that it is rude to ask someone's vaccine status, so I agree that if you are worried about what people will say, just don't tell them. We live in a similar place. It was a big relief to me for us to get the vaccine. Of the four of us, I've had both vaccines, and everybody else has had the first one. I told our ds, who thought it was dumb but who has a chronic condition and doesn't need to get covid (!), that he doesn't have to tell anybody he got it. Our numbers are really low here right now, but I suspect they will start going back up at some point due to people's lackadaisical attitudes. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Catwoman said: Ellie, can you tell me what drug you’re talking about? If this drug is so effective, why are so many people still dying of Covid, and what about the long haul Covid patients? Does this drug cure them, as well? Please don’t think I’m asking this in a snarky way — if there is information out there that I haven’t heard, I want to know about it! I assume she's referring to ivermectin, which is widely touted in [insert adjective of choice] media as a cheap, effective cure for covid that the Evil Cabal of Globalists are suppressing in order to force everyone to get vaccinated. India has more than 50 different companies that manufacture ivermectin, which is cheap and easily available there. In Brazil, it's not only widely available, it's literally included with HCQ in the "covid kits" that patients are given. And obviously the fact that the case rates and death toll in India and Brazil are among the lowest in the world proves that ivermectin works! Oh wait.... 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertflower Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Elizabeth86 said: So, the time has finally come for the "everybody else" category people to get covid vaccines. I was feeling pretty sure about getting it. . I just went online to sign up and I kind of froze up. Like, tell me, I'll be fine. Please? I think statistically, you will be fine. Sorry, I can't guarantee that. I know hundreds of people who are vaccinated are fine. Some suffered mild flu like symptoms. On the other hand, if you want to wait, that is fine too. So many people want to get vaccinated. We are waiting to let those people go first. We can hold out a little while longer. Stay home, wear a mask when out, get deliveries, be responsible. Wait until you are ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertflower Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 On another note, this thread has been reported twice. Please watch your tone when discussing things. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam in CT Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 OP, if you tend toward big data to get yourself over a decisionmaking hump: So far in the US, 31.7 million people have been confirmed to have contracted COVID, of whom 568K died of COVID; many more have had longterm effects. So far in the US, 212 million COVID vaccine doses have gotten all the way into arms: that is, 7 times more COVID vaccines than COVID cases. If the vaccine were as dangerous as the disease we'd be looking at more than 4 million vaccine related deaths. Obviously, there have not been. If OTOH you tend toward experiential narrative to get yourself over a decisionmaking hump: among my friends and family, literally every adult I am close to has had either one or two doses. Among 6 octogenarian family members, 12 boomers, and 2 slightly-younger spouses on my extended family zoom chat group: a lot of sore arms, a few headaches, a few of us had a day of flu-like symptoms. Similar among my bible study group, my Sisterhood board, the steering committees of two local civic groups I'm in. Among the 16+ crowd that recently became eligible: sore arms and a bit of fatigue only. The needles themselves, for both Pfizer and Moderna, are itty bitty NBD needles. If the decisionmaking hump is around marching to a different beat than the people in your immediately surrounding community: I concur with pp that consulting with your doctor is a good idea. And also that you don't need to tell anyone you don't wish to tell. I mean around here, everyone is brimming over with elation!! we all talk about it constantly. But "tipping points" are real: here, we've "tipped" to where vaccines are normative; I expect if there are folks who are hesitant and haven't gotten it yet, *they* are a bit inhibited about talking about it. Sounds like in your area, the reverse is true, to the point where you sound a bit hesitant about sharing your interest in the vaccine. That's fine. You don't need to share your decision. (Either way. I do hope you decide to do it. But you don't owe anyone communication or justification either way.) Good luck grappling. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Corraleno said: I assume she's referring to ivermectin, which is widely touted in [insert adjective of choice] media as a cheap, effective cure for covid that the Evil Cabal of Globalists are suppressing in order to force everyone to get vaccinated. India has more than 50 different companies that manufacture ivermectin, which is cheap and easily available there. In Brazil, it's not only widely available, it's literally included with HCQ in the "covid kits" that patients are given. And obviously the fact that the case rates and death toll in India and Brazil are among the lowest in the world proves that ivermectin works! Oh wait.... Seriously??? Ivermectin??? I thought everyone knew that ivermectin doesn’t work! For crying out loud. 🤬 This is a big part of what is so upsetting about this entire Covid situation. I really like Ellie and Pen, and I have always highly respected their opinions, but it’s so hard to remain respectful when they post blatant disinformation about the virus. I don’t want to be a jerk and I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but almost 570,000 people in the US alone are DEAD, and countless others have survived but still suffer long term effects... and that makes it impossible to agree to disagree in the same way I might be able to do on other subjects. It’s hard, because on one hand, I don’t want to be mean, but when people (even people who I have always liked a lot) post conspiracy theories and false information, it makes me so frustrated and disappointed. And I don’t like it that I’m feeling that way about people I have always gotten along with. 18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, KungFuPanda said: I never heard anyone say that this would be the type of vaccine that needs no boosters ever. I'm a bit confused by how many people seem blindsided by this. I think there are probably lots of places where the infrastructure to distribute is in place, but they just don't have the supply yet. They just can't make the stuff fast enough. It's a little disconcerting how only a few countries are even able to make it. This seems like quite the oversight. This is heartbreaking. We've been locked down for over a year to protect my disabled son. People who want to just take their chances with Covid, but don't really CARE about the people they could transmit to REALLY upset me. You're not making a decision that only effects you. It's doubly upsetting that the anti-vaxxers are largely in the anti-masker group. The do NOT care beyond their own convenience. @Elizabeth86, if you are surrounded by anti-vaxxers it's going to be harder for you to do this. A lot of the anti-vax rhetoric is politically connected. Some people get medical advice from the same place they get general news. Try getting medical advice from medical sources instead. Just go online to places like the CDC, Johns Hopkins website, NIH, or the WHO. Even your local hospital could have some science-based articles for you to read. If you are surrounded by people that don't take masking or vaccinating seriously, then your odds of getting Covid will definitely go up. The odds that your community will experience another wave will definitely go up. The Corona Virus is just looking for a place to live and you have to decide it you are keeping your doors open or not. FWIW, I got the discontinued vaccine. I got every side effect. My discomfort was OVER in a day and the relief of having my entire family vaccinated is indescribable. It's been the first feeling of great hope I've had since this all began. QFT. These are such important points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 desertflower Empress Bee Members 635 2,567 posts Posted 2 hours ago On another note, this thread has been reported twice. Please watch your tone when discussing things. Thanks. Reported for WHAT? (Yes, this is how I quote a moderator. 😁) 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 34 minutes ago, Catwoman said: Seriously??? Ivermectin??? I thought everyone knew that ivermectin doesn’t work! For crying out loud. 🤬 This is a big part of what is so upsetting about this entire Covid situation. I really like Ellie and Pen, and I have always highly respected their opinions, but it’s so hard to remain respectful when they post blatant disinformation about the virus. I don’t want to be a jerk and I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but almost 570,000 people in the US alone are DEAD, and countless others have survived but still suffer long term effects... and that makes it impossible to agree to disagree in the same way I might be able to do on other subjects. It’s hard, because on one hand, I don’t want to be mean, but when people (even people who I have always liked a lot) post conspiracy theories and false information, it makes me so frustrated and disappointed. And I don’t like it that I’m feeling that way about people I have always gotten along with. Oh dear. My ears are burning. 😉 Disagreement can be hard to handle respectfully. I imagine it is very very hard for Elizabeth86 where the disagreement is with her own husband. these following questions are not intended rhetorically: how many of the “DEATHS” were “excess deaths”? And how many of the “excess deaths” are excess over those related to sick people being put into nursing homes? I realize you probably don’t believe that any treatments such as Ivermectin, Regeneron, HCQ/zinc, Budesonide, early home O2 access, or other such therapies or combinations thereof are helpful, but for people who are not so certain of them being useless as you apparently are, and are willing to do the research, I would also ask how many of the remaining “excess deaths” might have been prevented with early home treatment rather than having people do nothing until severely impacted ? It’s the only virus of my lifetime that I am aware of where official instructions seemed to be to do nothing unless pulse Oximeter showed a severe decrease in oxygen level, or the person was struggling for breath and already at ground glass opacity point on X-rays — by that point prognosis was fairly poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pen said: Oh dear. My ears are burning. 😉 Disagreement can be hard to handle respectfully. I imagine it is very very hard for Elizabeth86 where the disagreement is with her own husband. these following questions are not intended rhetorically: how many of the “DEATHS” were “excess deaths”? And how many of the “excess deaths” are excess over those related to sick people being put into nursing homes? I realize you probably don’t believe that any treatments such as Ivermectin, Regeneron, HCQ/zinc, Budesonide, early home O2 access, or other such therapies or combinations thereof are helpful, but for people who are not so certain of them being useless as you apparently are, and are willing to do the research, I would also ask how many of the remaining “excess deaths” might have been prevented with early home treatment rather than having people do nothing until severely impacted ? It’s the only virus of my lifetime that I am aware of where official instructions seemed to be to do nothing unless pulse Oximeter showed a severe decrease in oxygen level, or the person was struggling for breath and already at ground glass opacity point on X-rays — by that point prognosis was fairly poor Pen, I find it insulting that you seem to believe that no one (other than you, apparently) “does the research.” Many people on this forum have left no stone unturned, trying to get as much information as we could — particularly those of us with high risk family members and friends. Just because we don’t agree with you does not mean we haven’t done our research. Ellie’s post said that Covid is “100% treatable with an existing FDA approved drug,” and that is simply FALSE, and that was what I was responding to. People are suffering and dying every single day and it seems as though you are trying to minimize that reality and replace it with a world where Covid isn’t really particularly deadly and it’s not all that contagious, and vaccines aren’t really needed because it’s not that big of a deal. I would respectfully suggest that you start vetting your sources before proclaiming to have “done the research,” because your sources are questionable at best. I am worried about you, Pen. You seem so different from just a year ago. You have gone from someone who always seemed so sensible and realistic to someone who appears to believe that President Biden has been replaced with a body double, or some other such nonsense, based on the shape of his ears. (Do you really believe that, or were you just pulling our leg? Please tell me you were kidding!) I honestly do wish you well though, Pen, even though I don’t seem to be able to agree with you at all any more about Covid. I hope that eventually you will find your way back to being the person you were when the pandemic first started and you weren’t caught up in conspiracy theories, because I know you are a very nice person with a kind heart. 9 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Catwoman said: Pen, I find it insulting that you seem to believe that no one (other than you, apparently) “does the research.” Many people on this forum have left no stone unturned, trying to get as much information as we could — particularly those of us with high risk family members and friends. Just because we don’t agree with you does not mean we haven’t done our research. Ellie’s post said that Covid is “100% treatable with an existing FDA approved drug,” and that is simply FALSE, and that was what I was responding to. People are suffering and dying every single day and it seems as though you are trying to minimize that reality and replace it with a world where Covid isn’t really particularly deadly and it’s not all that contagious, and vaccines aren’t really needed because it’s not that big of a deal. I would respectfully suggest that you start vetting your sources before proclaiming to have “done the research,” because your sources are questionable at best. I am worried about you, Pen. You seem so different from just a year ago. You have gone from someone who always seemed so sensible and realistic to someone who appears to believe that President Biden has been replaced with a body double, or some other such nonsense, based on the shape of his ears. (Do you really believe that, or were you just pulling our leg? Please tell me you were kidding!) I honestly do wish you well though, Pen, even though I don’t seem to be able to agree with you at all any more about Covid. I hope that eventually you will find your way back to being the person you were when the pandemic first started and you weren’t caught up in conspiracy theories, because I know you are a very nice person with a kind heart. I am still a very good person with a very kind heart not having the same opinion as you does not change that 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Pen said: I am still a very good person with a very kind heart not having the same opinion as you does not change that Thank you for reminding me of that. Seriously. Edited April 20, 2021 by Catwoman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 There's a Body Double Ear Theory????? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, KungFuPanda said: There's a Body Double Ear Theory????? Yes, sadly, there is. I’ll see if I can find the thread for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, KungFuPanda said: There's a Body Double Ear Theory????? Qnuts believe that Biden has been replaced by a body double, the "proof" of which is that his ear lobes look different in photos now and a few years ago. The "real" Biden has either (1) been kidnapped and executed by Trump's minions while Trump secretly runs the country or (2) is being hidden away so people won't know he's basically a senile, drooling incompetent, depending on which "theory" you follow. And yes, people (including Pen, who has posted about it here) really believe this. 2 1 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 @KungFuPanda — here is the thread. The talk about Biden’s ears started on April 9th. https://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/708477-hbo-documentary-suggests-q’s-identity/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal_Bear Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) I literally know hundreds of people who have had the vaccine and early in the priority grouping. One of the things about being Asian and going to Cal for college is that I am friends with an inordinate number of HCWs. Contrast that with the homeschooling world, it seems pretty 50-50. These are also the people who aren't masking either. That's where I am experiencing the most risk exposure is the homeschooling community. There's no way I'm going to be out and out in that community with getting vaxed. It's many degrees higher riskier to be a homeschooler than to be part of the system. I can also tell you intended vax uptake among Asian Americans is estimated somewhere around the 80-85%. Miles away higher than any other demographic in the US. Why? We know about coronaviruses. The vast majority took Covid seriously and early. Asian countries have outperformed the rest of the world in controlling the pandemic. Lots of us have many family and close relationships with frontline HCWs (lots of Asians in this space) so we believed what they were saying that Covid is no joke, and you don't want it. I do know people who have died and plenty living with long term Covid. It's sobering and a reality check. Edited April 20, 2021 by calbear 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Why is there a need to tell people if you decide to get vaccinated? That is a strange phenomenon IMO. There is actually a lot of weird around this whole thing. But you don't have to buy into the hype. Make a decision and do your thing, just like you would for any other personal, private health decision. If you have close people who will know for whatever reason, ask them to respect your privacy and keep their mouths shut. And personally, I don't think anyone should be asking other people about their vax status. Do you ask people when they had their last pap smear or brake job? Why do people think it's OK to ask such a personal question (other than really close people who would actually share about pap smears etc.)? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, SKL said: Why is there a need to tell people if you decide to get vaccinated? That is a strange phenomenon IMO. There is actually a lot of weird around this whole thing. But you don't have to buy into the hype. Make a decision and do your thing, just like you would for any other personal, private health decision. If you have close people who will know for whatever reason, ask them to respect your privacy and keep their mouths shut. And personally, I don't think anyone should be asking other people about their vax status. Do you ask people when they had their last pap smear or brake job? Why do people think it's OK to ask such a personal question (other than really close people who would actually share about pap smears etc.)? I think many people are just making conversation when they ask each other if they have been vaccinated, or if they tell someone they have been vaccinated. Covid is a pretty hot topic, so I’m not at all surprised that people discuss it with their friends and family — and many of us were so happy to get vaccinated that we wanted to shout it from the rooftops. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildflowerMom Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 In pen’s defense, she has not mentioned the Biden thing at all on this thread (or since the other thread that I’ve seen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, WildflowerMom said: In pen’s defense, she has not mentioned the Biden thing at all on this thread (or since the other thread that I’ve seen). It was very memorable on the other thread, and I mentioned it in the hope that she would say that she had been pranking us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Although I do realize some political extremists are pushing strange theories, I don't like how these discussions always use such extremes to minimize the much more mainstream concerns about these vaccinations. In my extremely close circle, there are at least 2 people age 60+ who are afraid of this vax because they have never had a good vax experience. One has only ever had 1 vax and felt she almost died from it. The other has never had one ever, and was raised to believe commercial chemicals / medicines were generally bad. FTR these two individuals represent both "sides" politically, and one of them is in fact an educated Asian person with HCWs in her family. Neither gets her info from facebook. I know another person who has a rare but severe allergy to an ingredient in the mRNA vax. Good thing she is being careful. The experiences of people on this board (not just anti-vax people) actually prove there are good reasons to be nervous about getting the vax. You can also do research right on the CDC website that shows things this forum won't even say, not because of "Q." To be honest, needles don't scare me, but the prospect of being knocked flat for days does, because I have work that nobody else can do. Even though I have decided to do it, I'm not thrilled about it. I'm not gonna belittle someone who is nervous about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, SKL said: Why is there a need to tell people if you decide to get vaccinated? That is a strange phenomenon IMO. There is actually a lot of weird around this whole thing. But you don't have to buy into the hype. Make a decision and do your thing, just like you would for any other personal, private health decision. If you have close people who will know for whatever reason, ask them to respect your privacy and keep their mouths shut. And personally, I don't think anyone should be asking other people about their vax status. Do you ask people when they had their last pap smear or brake job? Why do people think it's OK to ask such a personal question (other than really close people who would actually share about pap smears etc.)? I just planned a small gathering for a person moving to Australia. We could only include a couple people, so I chose based upon who I knew was fully vaxxed. It's not hard to know. There is a lot of public support for masking and vaxxing in my area. Also, it was a bit like the wild west even getting an appointment so people tended to feel like they'd won something and announced it. 40 minutes ago, Catwoman said: @KungFuPanda — here is the thread. The talk about Biden’s ears started on April 9th. https://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/708477-hbo-documentary-suggests-q’s-identity/ THAT was interesting. Bless our great big American hearts. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, SKL said: Although I do realize some political extremists are pushing strange theories, I don't like how these discussions always use such extremes to minimize the much more mainstream concerns about these vaccinations. In my extremely close circle, there are at least 2 people age 60+ who are afraid of this vax because they have never had a good vax experience. One has only ever had 1 vax and felt she almost died from it. The other has never had one ever, and was raised to believe commercial chemicals / medicines were generally bad. FTR these two individuals represent both "sides" politically, and one of them is in fact an educated Asian person with HCWs in her family. Neither gets her info from facebook. I know another person who has a rare but severe allergy to an ingredient in the mRNA vax. Good thing she is being careful. The experiences of people on this board (not just anti-vax people) actually prove there are good reasons to be nervous about getting the vax. You can also do research right on the CDC website that shows things this forum won't even say, not because of "Q." To be honest, needles don't scare me, but the prospect of being knocked flat for days does, because I have work that nobody else can do. Even though I have decided to do it, I'm not thrilled about it. I'm not gonna belittle someone who is nervous about it. But is anyone here actually belittling anyone who is nervous about getting the vaccine? I’m not seeing that at all. I do see a lot of us encouraging people to get vaccinated, but if people like your friends posted here and gave those reasons for deciding against being vaccinated, I think they would receive support, not scorn. I got the vaccine to protect myself and my family, but I also got it to help protect all of the people who are unable to be vaccinated (like your friends, for example,) and for those for whom the vaccine won’t be as effective. I know that many others on this forum did the same. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonhawk Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 So I've read the whole thread, but seemed to have missed the actual pep talks. To me, pep talks have cheerleaders and Rah Rah!s throughout. So please choose whichever pep talk is most effective for your situation: You can do it! You can do it! Just push the button to it! (Rah rah!🎇) Your thumb is strong! The button push won't last long! (Rah rah!🎆) You don't have enough pricks in your life, so sign up for 1 [or 2] more! (rrraaaHHH 💥 rah!) When two shots love each other very much-- whoops, wrong type of talk, nvm Two small shots equals one big shot at a brighter future! (Rah rah go team rah rah yay! 💥🎇🎆) Fortune favors the vaccinated! (Rah rah!🎇) *There are no pompom emojis so I went with fireworks since they are visually similar and also thematically in keeping with a little pit of pomp 5 2 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Catwoman said: But is anyone here actually belittling anyone who is nervous about getting the vaccine? I’m not seeing that at all. I do see a lot of us encouraging people to get vaccinated, but if people like your friends posted here and gave those reasons for deciding against being vaccinated, I think they would receive support, not scorn. I got the vaccine to protect myself and my family, but I also got it to help protect all of the people who are unable to be vaccinated (like your friends, for example,) and for those for whom the vaccine won’t be as effective. I know that many others on this forum did the same. Yes, when people turn a thread about being nervous into a thread about prez ear theories, that is belittling the real concerns. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, SKL said: Yes, when people turn a thread about being nervous into a thread about prez ear theories, that is belittling the real concerns. I’m sorry. You seem to be trying to make some sort of snarky point here, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Please clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyA Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Pen said: how many of the “DEATHS” were “excess deaths"? During January 26, 2020–February 27, 2021, an estimated 545,600–660,200 more persons than expected died in the United States from all causes. The estimated number of excess deaths peaked during the weeks ending April 11, 2020, August 1, 2020, and January 2, 2021. Approximately 75%–88% of excess deaths were directly associated with COVID-19. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7015a4.htm 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Rocker, gun-nut, and self-declared "patriot" (who famously crapped his own pants to get out of being inducted into the Vietnam war) Ted Nugent--after repeatedly questioning the effectiveness of face masks and mocking those who've worn them and refusing to be vaccinated--announced today that he's had Covid for the past 10 days . "I thought I was dying," wote Nugent, "I have never been so sick in all my life… I could barely crawl out of bed." Don't be like that guy. Use your 🧠 🙏 🙏 🙏 Bill 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth86 Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 hours ago, kbutton said: The anti-vax crowd is all about normalizing the idea that it is rude to ask someone's vaccine status, so I agree that if you are worried about what people will say, just don't tell them. I' 11 hours ago, City Mouse said: It almost sounds like you are more afraid of the reactions of the people around you than of side effects from the vaccine. If you want it, don’t worry about what those people will say. You don’t have to tell the (except probably your DH). Most likely no one will know one way or another unless you tell them. I don't feel I need to tell anyone I had the vaccine. I am worried about the thought of *if* something went wrong, the reaction everyone would have and how stupid I would feel. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Blue Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, Elizabeth86 said: I' I don't feel I need to tell anyone I had the vaccine. I am worried about the thought of *if* something went wrong, the reaction everyone would have and how stupid I would feel. Elizabeth, I believe it’s better to base your decision on what you need to do for yourself, and not what the reactions of others may or may not be. This is an important decision for you concerning your health. If ever there were a time to ignore peer pressure, this would be it. I know this is more difficult for some. Believe me, I do understand. I just want to give you the pep talk you need (and asked for). This thread went way off the rails, unfortunately. It would be great if you could get more encouragement and support IRL and here, too. Feel encouraged to do your own research and your own thinking. Make this choice for YOU and ignore the rest. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasProud Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Elizabeth, I get it. Believe me. I do. For me the thinking is more nuanced than what this board seems to try to portray. My community does not fit into the neat little boxes. The majority of people I know are middle class. They have continued to work throughout this pandemic. They are teachers, business owners, etc. They have worn masks where mandated, don't where it is not. All of them have been vaccinated and are happy to no longer wear masks. They did it to continue to live their lives. (I know. You need to wear a mask anyway sometimes. But the teacher I talked to at the shower was ecstatic that her district has already told them the mask requirement will be dropped next year. After all, all the teachers are vaccinated.) Then there is another section, some of them middle class, but in my personal circle they tend to be oil workers, plumbers, carpet installers, etc. They will not get the vaccine. Most of them ( all of them that I know) have already had Covid and feel it is no big deal. They distrust the government. Most doctors I know are getting it. A few are not. One is married to a woman who believes in the Bill Gates conspiracy. She doesn't live here. I only know her husband, not her really. For me, the big thing is always about will it harm other people. So I worried about myself dying from it, but more so my husband. I finally decided that it was better that I die so others can live. That is what it came down to. Because if I did not get the vaccine, I was likely to eventually get Covid and eventually spread it to some poor innocent person who would die. And I know that everyone on here says no one has died from it, look at the stats, blah blah blah. The truth is they cannot tell you for sure you will not have a bad reaction. You probably won't. So basically my thought process came down to, do I love myself/my reputation/my life or do I love my community more. I do not know your faith, but my faith tells me to lay down my life for a friend. So I did. Now, that said, I had a minor sore arm after the first and NOTHING after the second. Not a thing. I did all my normal stuff. My husband felt crappy after the first shot for one day, but I honestly ( and he does too) believe that his allergies from tilling the garden were flaring. He had no reaction at all to the 2nd shot. Our 26yo had no reaction to the first shot, and felt bad overnight with the second. If you have no contraindications for the shot, then I hope you choose to take it. I think it is the right thing to do. But believe me, I completely understand where you are. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawz4me Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Elizabeth86 said: I don't feel I need to tell anyone I had the vaccine. I am worried about the thought of *if* something went wrong, the reaction everyone would have and how stupid I would feel. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with stupid crap. Sadly, I've seen the same sentiment expressed by someone who is close to me. She's honestly afraid to tell family members that she's had the first vaccine because she knows they'll ridicule her. It boggles my mind. As far as a pep talk--All I can tell you is that all four of us have had the first vaccine with nothing but mildly sore arms. Two of us have had the second vaccine, again with nothing but mildly sore arms. It's been over a month since the first of us got the second shot, and he hasn't grown horns or started quoting weird poetry or had any other unusual thing happen. I'm concerned that the people who are having significant (if short lived) side effects are taking up too much space, and those who have little/no issues are getting drowned out. Good luck making your decision. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innisfree Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, Pawz4me said: I'm concerned that the people who are having significant (if short lived) side effects are taking up too much space, and those who have little/no issues are getting drowned out. This. I just finished my Moderna sequence on Thursday. Mild sore arm after each shot. Now, on Saturday I was busy working in the garden and around the middle of the day started wondering if I was more achy than usual, but I'd been planting stuff all morning by then, and had essentially forgotten the shot. On this site, we've all been kind of revelling in the analysis. That's fine. We're mostly delighted to get the shot, and we're intensely interested in the science, and curious about reactions. So, it all gets a lot of space here. But I think mostly, the shots are uneventful. Serious negative reactions are incredibly rare. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth86 Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 Well, I signed up y'all. I go on Monday! At the site I am going to, there was only 1 less appointment than there was 2 days ago. Well 2 less, now that I signed up. 😢 42 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktgrok Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 hours ago, SKL said: And personally, I don't think anyone should be asking other people about their vax status. Do you ask people when they had their last pap smear or brake job? Why do people think it's OK to ask such a personal question (other than really close people who would actually share about pap smears etc.)? I'm not going to catch a potentially deadly disease from having lunch with someone who doesn't keep up with her pap smear. If I had concerns about the safety of someone's car I'd ask before riding with them (say...there was a major recall in the news for their model, I'd ask if they'd heard and gotten it checked before going on a road trip with them in that car). Probably more accurately, it's like asking about STD testing before sleeping with someone new. 15 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Corraleno said: Qnuts believe that Biden has been replaced by a body double, the "proof" of which is that his ear lobes look different in photos now and a few years ago. The "real" Biden has either (1) been kidnapped and executed by Trump's minions while Trump secretly runs the country or (2) is being hidden away so people won't know he's basically a senile, drooling incompetent, depending on which "theory" you follow. And yes, people (including Pen, who has posted about it here) really believe this. That would be quite an impressive feat to pull off! Wow. If Trump's secretly running the country, why are so many policies are totally different than when he was officially in the White House? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Sorry, I forgot the point of this thread. Very glad OP is signed up for the vaccine. Congrats! 🙌 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktgrok Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 A pep rally needs music, right? https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article249981119.html 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth86 Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 16 hours ago, ktgrok said: Thank you! As a person with multiple loved ones for whom the flu can be very serious, thank you! I had to take my kids out of activities in the past because people considered it "just the flu" and were not taking any precautions. Those for whom it is NOT "just" the flu appreciate you taking it more seriously. ( I mean that, no shame or sarcasm, it's easy to not think it is a big deal until you know people for whom it is a big deal). Just seeing you say "just the flu" reminded me of a newspaper article was published locally way back when parents were trying to get the schools to go back in my person for the county my kids would attend if they went to school. My family dentist was quoted as saying "I believe there is a virus, but it's just a virus" and my children's pediatrician was quoted as saying "It's just like the flu, it's going to spread." This is what I'm dealing with, barely anyone seems to care here. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Elizabeth86 said: Well, I signed up y'all. I go on Monday! At the site I am going to, there was only 1 less appointment than there was 2 days ago. Well 2 less, now that I signed up. 😢 Yay!! Congrats on making your choice. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happi duck Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Good job making the decision and making the appointment! Pandemic stress is no joke and following through on stuff is hard! Don't be surprised if going to the appointment feels hard. It can be surprisingly emotional! Also, don't panic if you feel cruddy. Stay hydrated and rested. (hugs) 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyA Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 @Elizabeth86, sending you ❤️ and support!!! You are doing the right thing. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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