Jump to content

Menu

HBO documentary suggests Q’s identity


Recommended Posts

42 minutes ago, Moonhawk said:

@Pen, Here is a quick video on how to do a redirect, so you can see what I was describing, and how easy it is. It takes literally less than a minute. For me, this would cost $8 to do because I have unlimited domain hosting already, and I would just need to buy the original domain.

If I wanted to manufacture proof of a conspiracy like this, buying antifa.com for $8 and doing 1 minute's worth of work would be a great deal.


I am wondering why months go by and it is not fixed 

 

  • Confused 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 184
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Several months ago over on Politics we spent some time on a couple of deep dive articles that examined the idea that conspiracy theories tap into some of the same adrenaline, satisfaction of problem-s

I disagree. There will never be enough proof for something so ridiculous, and I wouldn’t subject a friend or former coworker to interrogation by a conspiracy theorist either.  I interned for a Senator

Pen is using classic Q anon tactics and you are falling hook line and sinker for them.  "I'm just saying its weird, not that its true"  "I've just noticed..."  "IT only occured to me, do your own rese

5 minutes ago, Pen said:


I am wondering why months go by and it is not fixed 

 

Because the Antifa.com domain is private property and the Whitehouse has no right to seize it from someone who is likely not even in the US!

Are you even reading what people are posting or are you just totally immune to any facts that refute these crazy conspiracy theories???

Edited by Corraleno
  • Like 11
Link to post
Share on other sites

Someone wrote about Conspiracy theory that Tom Hanks is dead— I can’t find it now.

 

 I was thinking about that. I have no particular opinion about Hanks. I saw him in maybe 3 movies in my life including Forest Gump. I don’t think I would be able to recognize him if he were to be seated at a restaurant table next to mine (not that that would happen, but just sayin).

otoh ... Biden himself, even allowing for age and lots of plastic surgery,  looks a lot different than he did as Senator.  As Senator his ears looked fine, nothing that seemed like they needed plastic surgery... but they look a lot different in recent times. Again, weird. Doesn’t prove anything but “weird” things that don’t “add up” give a lot of space to fill in with “Conspiracy Theories”. 

  • Confused 7
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Pen said:


I am wondering why months go by and it is not fixed 

 

Fixed how?  And by whom?  It’s being done on purpose.  The White House can’t make them stop because it’s not illegal.  

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Pen said:

Someone wrote about Conspiracy theory that Tom Hanks is dead— I can’t find it now.

 

 I was thinking about that. I have no particular opinion about Hanks. I saw him in maybe 3 movies in my life including Forest Gump. I don’t think I would be able to recognize him if he were to be seated at a restaurant table next to mine (not that that would happen, but just sayin).

otoh ... Biden himself, even allowing for age and lots of plastic surgery,  looks a lot different than he did as Senator.  As Senator his ears looked fine, nothing that seemed like they needed plastic surgery... but they look a lot different in recent times. Again, weird. Doesn’t prove anything but “weird” things that don’t “add up” give a lot of space to fill in with “Conspiracy Theories”. 

Are you for real??? You are seriously suggesting that Biden has been replaced with an imposter???

At this point I have to assume you are just trolling, or that someone else has taken over your account, because this is either a joke or it's evidence of mental illness.

Wow.

  • Like 8
Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Corraleno said:

Because the Antifa.com domain is private property and the Whitehouse has no right to seize it from someone who is likely not even in the US!

Are you even reading what people are posting or are you just totally immune to any facts that refute these crazy conspiracy theories???


I read posts . 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Pen said:

Someone wrote about Conspiracy theory that Tom Hanks is dead— I can’t find it now.

 

 I was thinking about that. I have no particular opinion about Hanks. I saw him in maybe 3 movies in my life including Forest Gump. I don’t think I would be able to recognize him if he were to be seated at a restaurant table next to mine (not that that would happen, but just sayin).

otoh ... Biden himself, even allowing for age and lots of plastic surgery,  looks a lot different than he did as Senator.  As Senator his ears looked fine, nothing that seemed like they needed plastic surgery... but they look a lot different in recent times. Again, weird. Doesn’t prove anything but “weird” things that don’t “add up” give a lot of space to fill in with “Conspiracy Theories”. 

What are you saying here?  You think Biden is ... possibly not Biden?  

Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Spryte said:

What are you saying here?  You think Biden is ... possibly not Biden?  

A common QAnon idea is that the “real” Hilary Clinton, Biden, pretty much everyone, have been secretly arrested for child sex trafficking, tried, executed and replaced with body doubles.
 

 Or alternatively that they are really lizard people in ppl suites but I have no idea how that works.  
 

And no, I’m not making either of those things up, they are actual ideas believed by QAnon believers.  

Edited by Cnew02
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
  • Confused 1
  • Sad 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Pen said:

irl meaning a real person I have know for over 30 years

a person who was involved at a distance many years ago as part of real resistance to USSR take over of another country and who IME does not tend to be a dupe 


 

So someone IRL told you that Q is real? Let's think about this. A real person with high security clearance posts these "truths" to an obscure board? Does this make sense? 

And if Q is real, why has he/she been wrong so many times? He/she made very specific claims, none of which came true. 

5 minutes ago, Pen said:

Someone wrote about Conspiracy theory that Tom Hanks is dead— I can’t find it now.

 

 I was thinking about that. I have no particular opinion about Hanks. I saw him in maybe 3 movies in my life including Forest Gump. I don’t think I would be able to recognize him if he were to be seated at a restaurant table next to mine (not that that would happen, but just sayin).

otoh ... Biden himself, even allowing for age and lots of plastic surgery,  looks a lot different than he did as Senator.  As Senator his ears looked fine, nothing that seemed like they needed plastic surgery... but they look a lot different in recent times. Again, weird. Doesn’t prove anything but “weird” things that don’t “add up” give a lot of space to fill in with “Conspiracy Theories”. 

Take a step back and listen to yourself. 

So let's say Biden isn't Biden. Think about what steps would have been taken to make this all work? Who needs to be involved? Does this make any sense at all? What makes more sense? That Biden has gotten older and his appearance has changed? Or that he had some plastic surgery because he's in public and has plenty of money? 

 

  • Like 6
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Innisfree said:

Guys. I think it's good and important that Pen is willing to talk about things here. Let's not chase her off. Responding with facts and valid sources could be helpful.

There’s no way to prove a negative though.  We can’t prove that Biden hasn’t been replaced by a body double.   

  • Like 7
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Cnew02 said:

I’m sorry, that shows a lack of basic understanding of how the internet works at a fundamental level. Literally anyone can buy a domain name and set up a redirect.  If the domain is available I can buy SantaClaus.com and redirect to Walmart’s home page and the hardest part would be getting up to find my wallet to type in the credit card info. Less than 15 min total time invested, less than $100.  I don’t have to live in America to do it either. So no, someone somewhere setting up antifa.com to redirect to the White House doesn’t feel nefarious to me at all.  The White House has no special legal ability to make the owner of that domain stop redirecting its traffic. Once purchased it’s private property, free speech, yatta yatta. 

ETA: this is incredibly common on the internet too.  My homeschool group has a redirect set up from one website to another.  Walmart and Amazon most likely own several common misspellings of their website names that redirect to the proper place. Very basic stuff. 

Was typing at the same time as Moonhawk.  

I talked about this in a paper when I took marketing a million years ago.  Victoria's Secret has both VictoriaSecret dot com and VictoriasSecret dot com. 

The linking is basically the level of illegality that linking a website on Facebook or here would be.  Meaning, not at all.  So not much the White House could do about it.  And if they tried, how many conspiracists would be all up in arms about the overreach of trying to control private access?

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Wheres Toto said:

The linking is basically the level of illegality that linking a website on Facebook or here would be.  Meaning, not at all.  So not much the White House could do about it.  And if they tried, how many conspiracists would be all up in arms about the overreach of trying to control private access?

Exactly.  The White House misusing government resources to illegally seize private property wouldn’t look good...

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Innisfree said:

Guys. I think it's good and important that Pen is willing to talk about things here. Let's not chase her off. Responding with facts and valid sources could be helpful.

I disagree. I think the best approach would be to not respond. Whether it’s a troll or someone so far gone that they believe in this stuff, nothing anyone says is going to make a bit of a difference. Case in point: logical explanations in this thread met with escalating batsh*t crazy ideas. 

  • Like 4
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, bibiche said:

I disagree. I think the best approach would be to not respond. Whether it’s a troll or someone so far gone that they believe in this stuff, nothing anyone says is going to make a bit of a difference. Case in point: logical explanations in this thread met with escalating batsh*t crazy ideas. 

We can’t just ignore it or she might suck someone else into the crazy too.  We can possibly ask that these sorts of discussions be banned, but I don’t want to chase off someone I used to really value just because she’s apparently let either her rational mind or her account be taken over. Also I don’t want to confuse conspiracy crazy with the politics ban. 

  • Like 5
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Katy said:

We can’t just ignore it or she might suck someone else into the crazy too.  We can possibly ask that these sorts of discussions be banned, but I don’t want to chase off someone I used to really value just because she’s apparently let either her rational mind or her account be taken over. Also I don’t want to confuse conspiracy crazy with the politics ban. 

Yes, that’s logical. But I hope people don’t get too emotionally invested in trying to save Pen. 

  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, bibiche said:

Yes, that’s logical. But I hope people don’t get too emotionally invested in trying to save Pen. 

The Pen we used to know is clearly no longer there. She’s either let a troll take over her account or she’s let herself be brainwashed by a cult. 

  • Like 5
  • Sad 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

Okay, so by now we have established facts:

1. Antifa.com pointing to Whitehouse.gov is easy to do. It won't be changed because it was an intentional change by the owner of antifa.com, unless the owner changes their mind. It is not illegal and can be done without the WH's permission. It is not a conspiracy: at best it's a bad joke, at worst it is manufactured specifically to be false proof

2. Security and light being turned on are regularly done on schedules by many businesses and government buildings. 

3. @Pen does not know what Tom Hanks looks like.

4. Biden is old and has not aged as gracefully as Pen thinks he should have.*

             4a. I also look a lot different than I did 10 or 20 years ago. 

*He did age, in my opinion, much much better and recognizably than my dad (3 years younger than him) and any of my grandparents. I can affirm that no bodysnatching of my father has occurred, though some days recently I really wish that was the explanation. But that's besides the point.

"To engage or not to engage, that is the question." I'm going to hope that Pen acknowledges at least #1 of my list as true. If that can happen, I'll continue to engage as I am able, but if we cannot establish a very easily-proven issue, I think the best I can offer is prayer. Which I'll do regardless. 

 

  • Like 8
  • Thanks 2
  • Haha 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Pen said:


I am wondering why months go by and it is not fixed 

 

The only person or entity that can fix it is the one who owns the antifa.com domain. If SWB decided to redirect TWTM forum domain to another site she could do that. And only she could "fix" it.

 

Edited by Pawz4me
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Moonhawk said:

And yes I would expect there to be a routine to WH security and like many large places of business, lights to go on timers (we even have one in my 1000sqft house on the bad side of town) or that turn on when people walk in with their regular routine. Is it weird your coffee shop's doors unlock precisely at 7am every morning, or that the same worker is there Monday through Friday? And this is ASSUMING that these claims are even true in the first place.

Pen's claim that the lights in the White House are on timers is a rumor spread by Q-nuts to "prove" that Biden isn't actually in the White House, because he's not legitimately the President.

Just like whenever he gives a speech, the Q-nuts flood social media with claims that the background is "obviously" a green screen, further proving that Biden is not at the White House. Other parts of the "theory" include the belief that Trump still controls the military, and they're just waiting for the right moment to take back the White House and reinstall the rightful president.

Edited by Corraleno
  • Like 5
  • Confused 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

As for why someone would set up a redirect..QAnon can be lucrative.   Donations, ad dollars, merch sales. People are cashing in.  
 

...AppAnon, the online name of qmap’s creator, also runs a Patreon account, which receives more than $3,000 a month in donations, according to the Patreon site. In March, QAppAnon announced on Patreon an upcoming Android app named “Armor of God,” a social network for followers of QAnon.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-11/qanon-website-shuts-down-after-n-j-man-identified-as-operator

 

 

Edited by Cnew02
  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

Re: Timers -

Thinking logically, it's not that difficult to set up a randomizer element so the lights go on and off at times that look organic and natural instead of "on a timer". Which I'd think anybody dedicated to maintaining an illusion would do.

This is basic conspiracy theory reasoning. The powers that be are so strong and powerful that nobody can take them on, and so clever - but so very stupid that any idiot with a webpage can figure out their secrets and shadowy motives!

  • Like 6
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Corraleno said:

Pen's claim that the lights in the White House are on timers is a rumor spread by Q-nuts to "prove" that Biden isn't actually in the White House, because he's not legitimately the President.

Just like whenever he gives a speech, the Q-nuts flood social media with claims that the background is "obviously" a green screen, further proving that Biden is not at the White House. Other parts of the "theory" include the belief that Trump still controls the military, and they're just waiting for the right moment to take back the White House and reinstall the rightful president.

If Biden is actually not in the White House, why does Trump need to "take it back", isn't he already there?  Who is there if Biden isn't and Trump isn't? 

And if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, does it matter if it's not actually in the duck pond?  (if Biden is acting as the President and making speeches as the President, would it matter if he wasn't actually physically IN the White House?)

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Corraleno said:

Pen's claim that the lights in the White House are on timers is a rumor spread by Q-nuts to "prove" that Biden isn't actually in the White House, because he's not legitimately the President.

Just like whenever he gives a speech, the Q-nuts flood social media with claims that the background is "obviously" a green screen, further proving that Biden is not at the White House. Other parts of the "theory" include the belief that Trump still controls the military, and they're just waiting for the right moment to take back the White House and reinstall the rightful president.

I know someone IRL who was at the White House yesterday. He saw President Biden and VP Harris. He posted a picture of Biden giving a speech in the Rose Garden on Facebook. 

Pen, is that good enough for you? 

Or is my friend in on some vast conspiracy? 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Wheres Toto said:

If Biden is actually not in the White House, why does Trump need to "take it back", isn't he already there?  Who is there if Biden isn't and Trump isn't? 

And if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, does it matter if it's not actually in the duck pond?  (if Biden is acting as the President and making speeches as the President, would it matter if he wasn't actually physically IN the White House?)

There are all kinds of crazy, and often contradictory, explanations for this stuff. The real Biden is sick or dead or mentally incompetent, so they have to use a body double. The real Biden has been kidnapped and executed already, and the Biden we see on TV is an imposter who is working with Trump and Q. The inauguration was illegitimate and the military wouldn't allow Biden to actually move into the White House, so the Deep State use fake sets, CGI, and green screens.

As for why Trump hasn't taken back the White House yet... he is waiting for the perfect moment to unleash The Storm, which involves worldwide arrests and executions of all leftist cannibal-pedophiles. Taking over the world involves some planning, you know? You gotta get all your ducks in a row if you're going to simultaneously arrest and execute thousands of people all over the world. You gotta time it just right.

Every time another of "Q"'s predictions turns out to be false, the response is always to just wait a little longer... trust the plan... the plan is still working... The Storm is imminent... just be patient....  It's like all those guys who predict the end of the world, and then the date comes and goes and nothing happens, so they "recalculate" and set a new date, and then that comes and goes, on and on as long as people are stupid enough to keep believing.

  • Like 1
  • Confused 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

I know someone IRL who was at the White House yesterday. He saw President Biden and VP Harris. He posted a picture of Biden giving a speech in the Rose Garden on Facebook. 

Pen, is that good enough for you? 

Or is my friend in on some vast conspiracy? 

But that was the fake Biden! If he was smart, like the Q-nuts, he would have known to look at Biden's ears and recognize that this was an imposter. 

  • Like 1
  • Haha 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

Worth noting: While it's easy to assume that people who ascribe to the absolutely batshoot conspiracy theories must be either crazy, stupid, or both - the truth is that there's not as strong a correlation as you think.

Literally anybody can get sucked into conspiracy theories, just like literally anybody can get sucked into a cult or an abusive relationship. It makes us feel good to say "Wow, there is something wrong with that brain!" but neither sanity nor raw intelligence is a firm protection.

  • Like 17
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Tanaqui said:

Worth noting: While it's easy to assume that people who ascribe to the absolutely batshoot conspiracy theories must be either crazy, stupid, or both - the truth is that there's not as strong a correlation as you think.

Literally anybody can get sucked into conspiracy theories, just like literally anybody can get sucked into a cult or an abusive relationship. It makes us feel good to say "Wow, there is something wrong with that brain!" but neither sanity nor raw intelligence is a firm protection.

You’re absolutely right.  I’ve seen a lot of things that say that more intelligent people are MORE likely to fall into Q stuff.  Finding “patterns” and drawing connections *feels* like critical thinking, feels like a high level intellectual activity.   It feels like being Sherlock Holmes, noticing the dog that didn’t bark and figuring it all out.  
The only problem is that it’s not real.  
 

I found these to be good reads over the past couple of months...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/01/why-smart-people-are-more-likely-to-believe-fake-news
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestreet.com/phildavis/.amp/news/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon

 

  • Like 8
Link to post
Share on other sites

Does the Qanon have information on how Nancy Pelosi looks this good at 81 other than a body double or lizard people ? Asking for a friend.

Unicorn blood, angel tears, an aging picture like Dorian Gray ?

If my friend I live up to 80 I want to look as fierce as her. I can't pay someone to be my body double even now so I may seriously consider becoming one of the lizard people at age 79. 

  • Like 3
  • Haha 12
Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, Dreamergal said:

Does the Qanon have information on how Nancy Pelosi looks this good at 81 other than a body double or lizard people ? Asking for a friend.

Unicorn blood, angel tears, an aging picture like Dorian Gray ?

If my friend I live up to 80 I want to look as fierce as her. I can't pay someone to be my body double even now so I may seriously consider becoming one of the lizard people at age 79. 

I’m not part of Q anon, but I think years ago I read she & Diane Sawyer used the same plastic surgeon. I can’t remember his name but he was a handsome black guy in Washington that specialized in tiny, subtle, but frequent surgeries. 

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

I know someone IRL who was at the White House yesterday. He saw President Biden and VP Harris. He posted a picture of Biden giving a speech in the Rose Garden on Facebook. 

Pen, is that good enough for you? 

Or is my friend in on some vast conspiracy? 


could you send me a pm with how I can directly reach your friend in real life?

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

I know someone IRL who was at the White House yesterday. He saw President Biden and VP Harris. He posted a picture of Biden giving a speech in the Rose Garden on Facebook. 

Pen, is that good enough for you? 

Or is my friend in on some vast conspiracy? 


To add to my request for direct contact information:

 I am sure people I know personally in real life have more influence on me than do internet only contacts like you. As I am sure is true also in reverse, that you are more persuaded by people you know in real life. And as it gets remote like the supposed real life friend of an internet only contact it gets less and less persuasive.

 

But yes, I think If I were to speak on the phone directly with your friend along with some online exploration jointly at same time, that could go a long ways towards persuasiveness. 
 

Certainly someone who can personally establish for me seeing Biden inside WH, and being present at Rose Garden Ceremony at the WH in DC with Biden there in 2021 would go a long way as a counterbalance to webcam type footage. 
 

 

Edited by Pen
Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, Pen said:


To add to my request for direct contact information:

 I am sure people I know personally in real life have more influence on me than do internet only contacts like you. As I am sure is true also in reverse, that you are more persuaded by people you know in real life. And as it gets remote like the supposed real life friend of an internet only contact it gets less and less persuasive.

 

But yes, I think If I were to speak on the phone directly with your friend along with some online exploration jointly at same time, that could go a long ways towards persuasiveness. 
 

Certainly someone who can personally establish for me seeing Biden inside WH, and being present at Rose Garden Ceremony at the WH in DC with Biden there in 2021 would go a long way as a counterbalance to webcam type footage. 
 

 

I'm sorry but no. I'm not going to expose this person to an interrogation. 

Now you're probably going to conclude that I'm part of the vast conspiracy and made this up to convince you and you sussed out the truth by my refusing to offer up my IRL acquaintance. 

<sigh>

BTW, I just checked the feed of the Whitehouse webcam and some lights are on. 

I ask you again to take a step back and think through what would need to happen to set up a vast conspiracy with a fake president and a fake Whitehouse. 

 

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

You walked right into that by bringing up your friend, you know. To be fair to Pen, that'd be my response if somebody said "I personally know somebody who will fess up to being part of this vast conspiracy".

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Tanaqui said:

You walked right into that by bringing up your friend, you know. To be fair to Pen, that'd be my response if somebody said "I personally know somebody who will fess up to being part of this vast conspiracy".

I guess but still I didn't write that I knew someone "who will fess up to being part of this vast conspiracy." I wrote that I have a friend who was at the Whitehouse yesterday. 

Demanding to speak to this person, who is not a part of this forum, on the phone so he can be interrogated is an inappropriate ask. 

Did anyone ask to speak to her IRL acquaintance who apparently knows that the White House is unoccupied and Q is real? 

 

 

  • Like 9
Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, consider me asking now. Fair's fair, Pen - I'm surely willing to speak to anybody over the phone.

(This is a lie. I don't even like ordering pizza over the phone. But for this, I'll make an exception.)

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Pen said:

But yes, I think If I were to speak on the phone directly with your friend along with some online exploration jointly at same time, that could go a long ways towards persuasiveness. 
 

This feels so so sad to me.  Apply some critical thinking here, as I say to my kids.  "Online exploration" will only lead you right back down your accursed rabbit hole.  @Ordinary Shoes is telling you a fact.  She has no reason to lie.  She is offering you a hand to climb out.  Don't look back.

  • Like 8
  • Thanks 1
  • Sad 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Pen said:

 I am sure people I know personally in real life have more influence on me than do internet only contacts like you. As I am sure is true also in reverse, that you are more persuaded by people you know in real life.

Okay, I'll 'fess up. Some people here have WAY more influence on me than people I know in real life. In terms of critical thinking skills I'd guess a large minority of members here are light years ahead of most people I know in real life. And some have knowledge of specific areas that far surpass anyone I know in real life. Of course I have paid professionals (doctors, financial adviser, etc.) whose advice I'd take before anyone here because they know the specifics of my situation. But for most other things the collective knowledge and wisdom here can't be topped. Plus I've been here since (I think) 2012. So I actually do feel like I "know" many people.

  • Like 14
Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, Pen said:

 

Media covers supposed events at WH — and yet on the Live Webcams almost always all there ever seems to be is just one guard walking back and forth, back and forth, in front of the front door- and lights that seem to go on and off via what seems to be auto timers based on their regularity. 

Which live webcams are these?  How does one watch them?

Link to post
Share on other sites
59 minutes ago, Pawz4me said:

Okay, I'll 'fess up. Some people here have WAY more influence on me than people I know in real life. In terms of critical thinking skills I'd guess a large minority of members here are light years ahead of most people I know in real life. And some have knowledge of specific areas that far surpass anyone I know in real life. Of course I have paid professionals (doctors, financial adviser, etc.) whose advice I'd take before anyone here because they know the specifics of my situation. But for most other things the collective knowledge and wisdom here can't be topped. Plus I've been here since (I think) 2012. So I actually do feel like I "know" many people.

I don’t know about way more influence, but I for one am grateful that I listened to the hive about Covid in January 2020. Even DH still asks what the hive thinks about some news headline and he analyzes numbers for part of his job. 

  • Like 9
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Tanaqui said:

You walked right into that by bringing up your friend, you know. To be fair to Pen, that'd be my response if somebody said "I personally know somebody who will fess up to being part of this vast conspiracy".

I agree. I wish you had  not brought up your friend if you are not willing to provide proof. Sigh.

  • Confused 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, TexasProud said:

I agree. I wish you had  not brought up your friend if you are not willing to provide proof. Sigh.

I disagree. There will never be enough proof for something so ridiculous, and I wouldn’t subject a friend or former coworker to interrogation by a conspiracy theorist either.  I interned for a Senator in college, I can think of several people who have been at the White House since the inauguration, but it isn’t my job to track down proof or ruin relationships on behalf of someone who is acting completely nutty and who I’ve never met in real life. 

Sooner or later Pen will take the time to look up all the drops, realize none of them have been true, and that a very young guy in the Philippines/Japan with no intelligence connections whatsoever started this as a joke, and people took it so seriously it was exploited as an additional method to manipulate voters, specifically women who were otherwise NOT inclined to vote for their particular candidate. Throw in some fantastic claims about saving the world’s children from an evil (and disturbingly racist) conspiracy and all of the sudden some women fall for it.  But when the same political movement staged an insurrection and the the power of the American government is about to come down on him, “Q” disappeared. The only thing that’s left is the people with a cash cow who want to continue to make money with these lies. 

The storm isn’t coming. It was ALL a lie. A disturbing number of people became believers, but that doesn’t make the lie true.

  • Like 7
  • Thanks 16
Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Katy said:

I disagree. There will never be enough proof for something so ridiculous, and I wouldn’t subject a friend or former coworker to interrogation by a conspiracy theorist either.  I interned for a Senator in college, I can think of several people who have been at the White House since the inauguration, but it isn’t my job to track down proof or ruin relationships on behalf of someone who is acting completely nutty and who I’ve never met in real life. 

Sooner or later Pen will take the time to look up all the drops, realize none of them have been true, and that a very young guy in the Philippines/Japan with no intelligence connections whatsoever started this as a joke, and people took it so seriously it was exploited as an additional method to manipulate voters, specifically women who were otherwise NOT inclined to vote for their particular candidate. Throw in some fantastic claims about saving the world’s children from an evil (and disturbingly racist) conspiracy and all of the sudden some women fall for it.  But when the same political movement staged an insurrection and the the power of the American government is about to come down on him, “Q” disappeared. The only thing that’s left is the people with a cash cow who want to continue to make money with these lies. 

The storm isn’t coming. It was ALL a lie. A disturbing number of people became believers, but that doesn’t make the lie true.

No it doesn't. I believe Biden is in the white house ( I voted for him, but had no other choice.), but now that she will not provide proof....  well, it plants a seed of doubt I didn't have.  It would be better not to offer, if not willing to say. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, TexasProud said:

No it doesn't. I believe Biden is in the white house ( I voted for him, but had no other choice.), but now that she will not provide proof....  well, it plants a seed of doubt I didn't have.  It would be better not to offer, if not willing to say. 

If you believe the President has been taken over by a body double or hologram, speaking to someone who was there in person isn’t going to change your mind, you’ll just go with the body double theory instead of the hologram theory.

There is no end to the ways these completely absurd lies can be twisted. If someone is so illogical they believe the lies, talking to someone who knows the President isn’t going to change their opinion. They’ll just decide my friend is part of the deep state, and by extension I am too. 

  • Like 15
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, TexasProud said:

No it doesn't. I believe Biden is in the white house ( I voted for him, but had no other choice.), but now that she will not provide proof....  well, it plants a seed of doubt I didn't have.  It would be better not to offer, if not willing to say. 

Also, she didn’t offer proof. She was responding to Pen’s statement that someone she knows in real life said Q is real. It wasn’t an offer. It was a statement that she knows someone who’s been there. 

  • Like 12
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Katy said:

Also, she didn’t offer proof. She was responding to Pen’s statement that someone she knows in real life said Q is real. It wasn’t an offer. It was a statement that she knows someone who’s been there. 

But if you cannot back it up, then don't say it.  Now I am doubting.... UGGG>.   Just so stressed out right now... Who do I believe and why???  Everything gray.  Nothing black and white. 

  • Confused 10
Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, TexasProud said:

But if you cannot back it up, then don't say it.  Now I am doubting.... UGGG>.   Just so stressed out right now... Who do I believe and why???  Everything gray.  Nothing black and white. 

Then step away from the internet. If I told you all of Christianity is a lie, but Norse mythology is real, current religions are just a deep state method of hiding the truth, would you believe me?

Why would you believe any ridiculous claim made on the internet?

It’s like an entire generation skipped the tall tales unit in 3rd grade. Fantastic stories are not true. 

  • Like 12
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

The point is the Q positive poster here is dropping conspiracy theories all the time when there is absolutely no proof.   Where is the proof all of media right and left wing are in on this?  Humans are like herding cats.   If there is scandal it will be leaked and picked up.  It doesn’t make sense at all.  

  • Like 10
Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, TexasProud said:

But if you cannot back it up, then don't say it.  Now I am doubting.... UGGG>.   Just so stressed out right now... Who do I believe and why???  Everything gray.  Nothing black and white. 

Pen is using classic Q anon tactics and you are falling hook line and sinker for them.  "I'm just saying its weird, not that its true"  "I've just noticed..."  "IT only occured to me, do your own research"

Here she is using Occam's Broom.  She's dropping little hints to things that sound right "Biden looks different, maybe he's not really IN the White House", which sounds plausible, possibly.  But she is using Occam's Broom to "sweep" away inconvenient facts. 

If Biden isn't really president, who signed the COVID relief bill...that money in my bank account was real.  Republicans weren't happy with that bill, would "secretly really still the president Trump" have signed that?

Mitch McConnell address President Biden, Mitch McConnell is not fan of democrats, why would he go along with it all?  Is he a body double too?

Republican Senators sat down with Biden in the White House with a $600 billion counter offer to the $2 trillion Covid bill.  Did they ALL lie about it, to protect a Democrat?   Or are the republican senators all body doubles too?

All of the dates that Q said Trump would come back into office have come and gone with nary an incident. 

International leaders sat down this week to discuss getting back into the Iran Nuclear Deal.  Would "secretly really president Trump" agree to that?

Holograms/body double are hard to pull off.  Sure, CGI is pretty good, but you can always tell right?  Even BIG budget movies look a little cartoony around the CGI.  Don't forget, its not just Biden, Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Clinton, Literally every single top democrat in congress has been posited to have been replaced with a body double or hologram, how would that be pulled off?  

And why....there is a group working WITH Q who is powerful enough to kidnap high level government officials, execute them in secret and replace them with TOP NOTCH body doubles, so good that family, friends, neighbors, and aids don't notice.  That takes not just plastic surgery but a mind transplant. They have to know all the family stories, all the office jokes.  And *that's* the group that Q is working *with*, not the powerful baby eating cabal they are trying to bring down.  Except..if they've replaced everyone with body doubles haven't they already brought down that cabal?  So why are they still fighting against the people that are now their own body doubles.

This exactly what I said in an earlier post, it feels like critical thinking.  You're just thinking critically right?  Looking at an idea you read on the internet, no harm done, right?  

https://www.businessinsider.com/occams-broom-2013-9

“The practice is particularly insidious when used by propagandists who direct their efforts at the lay public, because like Sherlock Holmes’s famous clue about the dog that didn’t bark in the night, the absence of a fact that has been swept off the scene by Occam’s Broom is unnoticeable except by experts…

  • Like 6
  • Thanks 13
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Katy said:

Then step away from the internet. If I told you all of Christianity is a lie, but Norse mythology is real, current religions are just a deep state method of hiding the truth, would you believe me?

Why would you believe any ridiculous claim made on the internet?

It’s like an entire generation skipped the tall tales unit in 3rd grade. Fantastic stories are not true. 

But I believed all of you and am in line for a shot because it

  • Like 1
  • Confused 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...