HBO documentary suggests Q’s identity

[Katy]

Is Ron Watkins.

The evidence, as laid out in several articles about the documentary is fairly convincing. Do you think it will be enough to finally discredit Q, or do you think anyone who’s still a believer will just double down?

[Lecka]

No, I had heard this a while back, I listened to a Reply All podcast about Pizzagate and they were also speculating about the identity of Q etc.

I think it is just not about that.  

I also think a lot of Q Anon stuff is kind-of second- or third-order stuff where people are hearing things that might have originated with Q Anon but they don't identify with Q Anon at all or think much about Q being real.  And I think that is where a lot of the effect is.  

This is just my impression.  

I think too many things have been disproven for this to be a disprovable thing, though, bottom line.  Because to me -- there have already been things that haven't happened, and there have already been ludicrous and clearly false claims made.  But hey, that is me.  So I just don't think the identity of Q is something that is really provable or disprovable or necessarily even really matters, at this point.  

But again, just my impression/opinion.  

Edit:  I basically found out in 2017 or so that I was following some things on Facebook that I turned out not to think were totally legitimate, and maybe I was following some "Cambridge Analytica" type of stuff.  I think one website (or whatever) I was getting re-posts from all the time (something about "the 99%" or "the other 99%) I ended up thinking was maybe a "Cambridge Analytica" or just someone being manipulative type of thing.  I don't even really know.  But I think I kind-of fell for something, maybe, I don't even know.  It makes me think it is hard to see through things, basically, I guess, when it is stuff that is appealing.  Whatever the "99%" thing was I was seeing was very appealing to me.  But I have cut back on Facebook a huge amount now, basically, over that.  It is too bad, because I wish it was something where we could see things not covered by major news networks without it probably being manipulated.  

Edited April 5, 2021 by Lecka

[Hyacinth]

I don't think the identity of Q is an issue for most people who accept the conspiracy theories. They see/hear/read a meme, a video, a podcast, an article and they believe it because it fits their worldview or whatever. Sure, some people are into the "Oooo, Q is an administrative operative who knows all," but most, I think, don't care about that angle at all. They just like the results of what he was saying.

[HeartString]

The hardcore followers will double down, always.  Maybe it will peel off some of the more peripheral people.  It won’t have any impact on people who don’t realize that they are Q adjacent. Lots of people follow the conspiracy part without knowingly following Q.  They think they just really care about warning people against the vaccine, or that they just really care about kids and human trafficking and fighting pedophiles with the strength of their meme game.  

[kbutton]

I think it could matter for educating people in the future about conspiracy theories. I think many people who are friendly to this line of thinking (to one degree or another) will come up with a way to explain away anything that would give someone pause. 

[WildflowerMom]

Why would that discredit Q?   I mean, I don't understand Q, tbh.  It's very cultish and I don't do cultish.    Everything they've said would happen, didn't.   The followers clearly are missing reasoning skills, and frankly intelligence, altogether.    

[Pawz4me]

9 minutes ago, WildflowerMom said:

Why would that discredit Q?   I mean, I don't understand Q, tbh.  It's very cultish and I don't do cultish.    Everything they've said would happen, didn't.   The followers clearly are missing reasoning skills, and frankly intelligence, altogether.    

I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I believe one reason it would (maybe) bring discredit to the cult is that it's always been speculated that Q is some high ranking public official or top secret operative. Or someone who is (supposedly) dead. In any event -- the speculation has been that it's someone other than the longtime administrator of the message board that was home to the cult. In any event, AFAIK he's been speculated to be Q for a long time now. So it's not new by any stretch.

But I agree that it likely won't discredit anything. The people I know who seem to believe and spread the conspiracies put out by the Q-Nuts don't seem to realize the origins of those conspiracies.

[WildflowerMom]

1 minute ago, Pawz4me said:

I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I believe one reason it would (maybe) bring discredit to the cult is that it's always been speculated that Q is some high ranking public official or top secret operative. Or someone who is (supposedly) dead. In any event -- the speculation has been that it's someone other than the longtime administrator of the message board that was home to the cult. In any event, AFAIK he's been speculated to be Q for a long time now. So it's not new by any stretch.

But I agree that it likely won't discredit anything. The people I know who seem to believe and spread the conspiracies put out by the Q-Nuts don't seem to realize the origins of those conspiracies.

Thank you!  Yep, as soon as I read the bolded, I remembered that there was speculation about this person being 'in the know'.   It looks like he's not even on the same continent.  🤦🏻‍♀️

[Katy]

Yes Q claimed to be a high ranking intelligence officer with “Q” clearance, which only exists in the energy department not intel. 

[Scarlett]

Who is Ron Watkins?

 

[Lecka]

He is the site administrator for 8 Chan.

Supposedly he verified the identity of Q when he allowed him to post as Q on 8 Chan.

Q used to be on a different site, and when it moved to 8 Chan, supposedly it's possibly that an administrator on 8 Chan just took over the Q name, because it is just on this person's honor that he verified the original Q's identity.  

OR that is my understanding, lol lol lol.  

Edited April 5, 2021 by Lecka

[Lecka]

Basically he is a random guy (to some extent) who has access to a website that purports to verify that the Q posting there is the real Q.  That is my understanding.  

Iow -- not somebody who is a high-level official in the US government with access to a a high level of security clearance.  

But does anybody really know for sure?  I don't think so.  It could be one person.  It could be a group of people.  There really could be someone from the federal government sending Q drops.  I think bottom line -- it is not known for sure.  

Because all people have to do is keep their mouths shut, you know?  And nobody will know if it is a site administrator who "could" be doing it, or if there is a real person and the site administrator has verified that person's identity and is putting the drops on the website.  

That is my understanding.  

[Lecka]

He sure seems like a con-man to me.  

[Lecka]

2 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

And here we are. Don't all of us have at least one acquaintance who believes hardcore Q stuff, e.g. secret pedophiles, etc? Don't we all know multiple people who believe Q adjacent propaganda, i.e. basically Q without the mole children, etc. 

Yes, this is true for me.  

For me -- the hardcore person also believed Obama was a secret Muslim and was making secret Muslim symbols during his presidency.  Then Q adjacent -- yes, several, who are steps away from Q but do seem into the adjacent stuff, that sounds a lot more normal and a lot less conspiracy spiracy-esque.  

[WildflowerMom]

Yes, dh works with a guy who believes the Q garbage.   Dh and everyone else think the guy is a total nut job, thankfully.   His lunacy has not spread beyond him.    He's also not an intelligent person, definitely not the swiftest deer in the forest.   It's not very surprising, I guess.   it wouldn't surprise me if my mil believes the Q stuff, either.   

[kbutton]

https://slate.com/technology/2021/04/qanon-q-hbo-documentary-ron-watkins.html

Quote

Q hasn’t posted since December, and Trump’s election loss has put a damper on the fantasy that he was going to use his power to root out the elite pedophiles. However, true believers are still trying to stay relevant. Salon reports that QAnon adherents have recently taken to defending Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz against allegations of child sex trafficking.

I post not as a political discussion but to show that people who listen to this stuff (directly or indirectly) seem to end up espousing things they'd never espouse otherwise. They've gone from rooting out sex trafficking to defending someone accused of it--crazy stuff these people are absorbing.

[Pen]

On 4/5/2021 at 12:40 PM, Lecka said:

He is the site administrator for 8 Chan.

Supposedly he verified the identity of Q when he allowed him to post as Q on 8 Chan.

Q used to be on a different site, and when it moved to 8 Chan, supposedly it's possibly that an administrator on 8 Chan just took over the Q name, because it is just on this person's honor that he verified the original Q's identity.  

OR that is my understanding, lol lol lol.  

what is 8 Chan?

 

[Pen]

I don’t have HBO access. Did the Documentary explain WWG1WGA? If so what is that all about? Or at least how did the documentary explain it? 

And what is “Blue Anon”?

Edited April 7, 2021 by Pen

[Katy]

8 minutes ago, Pen said:

what is 8 Chan?

 

An anonymous website devoted to trolls and porn too dirty to go on regular websites. It’s been shut down due to criminal ties. And it’s the source of all the child trafficking tied to politics stuff. It’s where Q released most of his “drops.”

[TravelingChris]

On 4/5/2021 at 3:06 PM, Ordinary Shoes said:

I don't think we'll ever know for sure. None of the people involved are trustworthy so no confessions or accusations can be trusted. 

The real story isn't "who is Q?" but rather how it came to have so much influence. Look are how the "save the children!" aspect was added to appeal to middle aged women. No one began their Q journey believing that Hillary Clinton drank the blood of children. It starts small and gradually gets to the point it seems logical to believe that Tom Hanks is a secret pedophile who was executed and replaced by a look alike. 

We're seeing this phenomenon right here on this forum. Not necessarily Q but the process of radicalization. 

Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube made money off of the Q influencers and looked the other way. They have culpability. The Q influencers are terrible. They mislead people for money and attention. People who knew better didn't speak out against Q because they knew it benefited them. 

And here we are. Don't all of us have at least one acquaintance who believes hardcore Q stuff, e.g. secret pedophiles, etc? Don't we all know multiple people who believe Q adjacent propaganda, i.e. basically Q without the mole children, etc. 

 

what are you referring to on this board?  People who have relatives or neighbors who are Q followers or ????

[Pen]

7 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

WWG1WGA = where we go one, we go all. It comes from some obscure movie and was picked up by the Q crowd. 

Blue Anon refers to conspiracy theories believed by liberals or "blue" voters. 

 

So, let’s see if I am following this— people who follow Q, whoever Q is, would be called “Qanons” and people who believe in a Qanons following Q conspiracy are “Blue Anons”? 

I tried to track down the movie—it seems to be based off a real shipwreck and to be called White Squall. If I tracked this correctly. Never heard of it before.  
 

But it has some good reviews- White Squall movie review & film summary (1996) | Roger Ebert

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/white-squall-1996

White Squall. "White Squall" is the sort of red-blooded young man's adventure movie that Jack London might have penned, although not quite in this way. Said to be based on fact, it's about a group of high school students who sign on aboard the brigantine ship Albatross in 1960 for their senior year at sea.

 

White Squall (1996) - Rotten Tomatoes

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/white_squall

There are a lot of great movies about going out to sea, and "White Squall" is up there with the best of them. It's not like "Crimson Tide", "U-571", and those; it's a spectacular coming of age ...

 

 

I watched a trailer and may decide to rent the movie.   I am not sure if it would help to understand anything going on or not, but I do see that “WWG1WGA” increasingly in comments and chats (not here, but other places like Webcam views of DC live chat).  And the movie looks posdibly interesting in its own right. 
 

From the trailer, there seems to be a theme of “What is real what isn’t?”
 

 A “White Squall” according to words in the trailer (being said apparently in a trial) was apparently believed to be an imaginary weather event, but that apparently kills 6 people in what from the trailer I saw looks somewhat like mostly Poet’s Society out at sea (with Jeff Bridges instead of Robin Williams in the teacher role) meets Lord of the Flies and maybe with a little bit of Mutiny on the Bounty...

Or like an Outward Bound adventure that goes very wrong.  
 

I wasn’t aware of any WWG1WGA reference in the trailer, but the way the trailer went, it seemed like it could be to the White Squall movie like Carpe Diem was to Poet’s Society (We are all on a ship together, depending on one another for survival type idea?) I wonder if WWG1WGA was part of the real shipwreck story it’s based on or just fictional for the movie.  

[Katy]

@Pen this is a fairly good explanation of the history of the movement: www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/what-is-the-qanon-conspiracy-theory/

[Pen]

15 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

Not quite. A "blue anon" is someone who is a liberal but believes in conspiracy theories like Putin is behind Q, etc. It's a term that was first used in right-wing media. A "blue anon" would not follow Q. 

 

no I didn’t mean I thought a “Blue Anon” would follow Q.  
 

I meant would a “Blue Anon” tend to believe in a conspiracy group called “Qanon”?   Would each - if they exist - believe in each other?  

IRL people on both “sides” (though perhaps not at far fringes of either “side”) tell me neither is real, that both are media constructs to manipulate people and cause division. 
 

I have been told by irl people that Q is real, and that Anons trying to decode Q messages are real— but not Qanon and not Blue Anon.

 

——

 

in re another post of yours where you wrote something like that no one starts out believing that Bill and Hillary are pedophiles - or whatever, I totally agree with you on that.

 

At the same time, once one has heard certain things from people - especially certain ones one is inclined to believe, many of us do not experience world the same way again— and I think it is another way of making a divide.

 

for example, if one has heard from someone one believes who says she was transported in a ship container for trafficking purposes (adult in this case), then when seeing pictures of a container ship stuck in Suez Canal , one may go to praying that there aren’t any people stuck in any of those containers. While other people may see the same images and not think that at all, perhaps just think about oil shipments delays or socks shortages.

 

 

[Katy]

20 minutes ago, Pen said:

no I didn’t mean I thought a “Blue Anon” would follow Q.  
 

I meant would a “Blue Anon” tend to believe in a conspiracy group called “Qanon”?   Would each - if they exist - believe in each other?  

IRL people on both “sides” (though perhaps not at far fringes of either “side”) tell me neither is real, that both are media constructs to manipulate people and cause division. 
 

I have been told by irl people that Q is real, and that Anons trying to decode Q messages are real— but not Qanon and not Blue Anon.

 

——

 

in re another post of yours where you wrote something like that no one starts out believing that Bill and Hillary are pedophiles - or whatever, I totally agree with you on that.

 

At the same time, once one has heard certain things from people - especially certain ones one is inclined to believe, many of us do not experience world the same way again— and I think it is another way of making a divide.

 

for example, if one has heard from someone one believes who says she was transported in a ship container for trafficking purposes (adult in this case), then when seeing pictures of a container ship stuck in Suez Canal , one may go to praying that there aren’t any people stuck in any of those containers. While other people may see the same images and not think that at all, perhaps just think about oil shipments delays or socks shortages.

 

 

Why would you assume an adult making a fantastic claim is being honest, as opposed to assuming they are either lying or mentally ill?  Is it really easier to believe in a huge evil conspiracy than it is to think, “I wonder what kind of mental illness she has.”

[Katy]

I guess I’ve known too many people who make up completely ridiculous, easily disproved but HUGE lies to fall for any of this stuff.  If something seems too ridiculous to be true, it is.  

[Katy]

I also don’t know how you can align yourself with conspiracies that are mostly being spread by white supremacists and in any way pretend that is moral. It’s 100% manipulation, and it’s obvious. 

[HeartString]

3 hours ago, Pen said:

I meant would a “Blue Anon” tend to believe in a conspiracy group called “Qanon”?   Would each - if they exist - believe in each other?

This came up in my Critical Thinking Class this past week. We used QAnon to work out some definitions.   "QAnon" are not the conspirators.  They are the believers.  Like if I believe the government is hiding aliens at Area 51then  I am the believer, the Men in Black are the conspirators, they are the ones keeping the secret. 

QAnon exists, as in there are people that believe that a guy (or guys) named Q is a high ranking member of the government and he has been leaving secret clues on the 8chan website to expose a conspiracy of some sort. Just like there definitively are people that think the government is hiding aliens at Area 51. QAnon are the believers, the conspiracy is what Q is trying to reveal.

(any self respecting conspiracy nut knows full well Area 51 is just a cover, the aliens aren't there anymore, duh. 🤣 )

I've never heard the term Blue Anon before now.  That's interesting. 

Edited April 9, 2021 by Cnew02

[Corraleno]

37 minutes ago, Cnew02 said:

I've never heard the term Blue Anon before now.  That's interesting. 

"Blue Anon" is a made-up term used by Q-nuts like Marjorie Taylor Greene, to refer to Democrats who believe "conspiracy theories" like... the Russians interfered with the 2016 election, the 2020 election wasn't stolen, etc. The term only has meaning in Upside Down World where Q-nuts have the truth and those who deny the "reality" of Q-nut beliefs are the true conspiracy theorists.

[HeartString]

2 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

"Blue Anon" is a made-up term used by Q-nuts like Marjorie Taylor Greene, to refer to Democrats who believe "conspiracy theories" like... the Russians interfered with the 2016 election, the 2020 election wasn't stolen, etc. The term only has meaning in Upside Down World where Q-nuts have the truth and those who deny the "reality" of Q-nut beliefs are the true conspiracy theorists.

Thank you!  That makes sense...as much sense as any of this can anyway.  The old "I know you are but what am I" defense we all remember so fondly from the playground. 

[Moonhawk]

19 minutes ago, Cnew02 said:

Thank you!  That makes sense...as much sense as any of this can anyway.  The old "I know you are but what am I" defense we all remember so fondly from the playground. 

Dealing with my parents, who aren't QAnon but are so influenced by it that why bother noting the difference, I can't tell you how many times her replies boil down to, "I am rubber and you are glue, what you say bounces off of me and sticks onto you." 

Another favorite reply is, "*dial tone*".

[HeartString]

7 minutes ago, Moonhawk said:

Dealing with my parents, who aren't QAnon but are so influenced by it that why bother noting the difference, I can't tell you how many times her replies boil down to, "I am rubber and you are glue, what you say bounces off of me and sticks onto you." 

Another favorite reply is, "*dial tone*".

I think that is the most pernicious things about QAnon, so many people are deeply influenced by QAnon without realizing it.  They have just seeped into every corner at this point. It's become a meta-conspiracy and its literally everywhere.

[Pen]

13 hours ago, Cnew02 said:

I think that is the most pernicious things about QAnon, so many people are deeply influenced by QAnon without realizing it.  They have just seeped into every corner at this point. It's become a meta-conspiracy and its literally everywhere.

If some months after Jan 20th, typing Antifa.com on URL still redirects to Whitehouse, is it a Conspiracy Theory to think that some hackers or pranksters or who knows who did that are better at computer tech than the current Whitehouse administration?  Or to wonder if admin cares or if they do deliberately want to have redirects from Antifa.com go to them?   A few days of a prank not getting fixed is one thing. Months going on and on is, IMO, weird. 
 

There are a number of at least significantly odd things like that. 
 

Media covers supposed events at WH — and yet on the Live Webcams almost always all there ever seems to be is just one guard walking back and forth, back and forth, in front of the front door- and lights that seem to go on and off via what seems to be auto timers based on their regularity. 

[Moonhawk]

10 minutes ago, Pen said:

If some months after Jan 20th, typing Antifa.com on URL still redirects to Whitehouse, is it a Conspiracy Theory to think that some hackers or pranksters or who knows who did that are better at computer tech than the current Whitehouse administration?  Or to wonder if admin cares or if they do deliberately want to have redirects from Antifa.com go to them?   A few days of a prank not getting fixed is one thing. Months going on and on is, IMO, weird. 
There are a number of at least significantly odd things like that. 

Media covers supposed events at WH — and yet on the Live Webcams almost always all there ever seems to be is just one guard walking back and forth, back and forth, in front of the front door- and lights that seem to go on and off via what seems to be auto timers based on their regularity. 

Yes, it is a conspiracy theory to think that antifa.com redirecting to the Whitehouse.gov is a sign of super hackers. I could make any of my websites do the same. It's as simple as opening the "redirect" page on my server and saying "mywebsite.com" should point to "Whitehouse.gov". This is not hacker-level work. That's typing monkey level (ie, me). It proves nothing.  And it doesn't break any laws [that I or a Google search can find] so idk what you think the WH would do about it-- the original website domain is private property for these intents and purposes.

This is not odd nor proof of a conspiracy. It is proof that the people making this stuff up and the people eating it up don't know how basic things work.

And yes I would expect there to be a routine to WH security and like many large places of business, lights to go on timers (we even have one in my 1000sqft house on the bad side of town) or that turn on when people walk in with their regular routine. Is it weird your coffee shop's doors unlock precisely at 7am every morning, or that the same worker is there Monday through Friday? And this is ASSUMING that these claims are even true in the first place.

[HeartString]

38 minutes ago, Pen said:

If some months after Jan 20th, typing Antifa.com on URL still redirects to Whitehouse, is it a Conspiracy Theory to think that some hackers or pranksters or who knows who did that are better at computer tech than the current Whitehouse administration?  Or to wonder if admin cares or if they do deliberately want to have redirects from Antifa.com go to them?   A few days of a prank not getting fixed is one thing. Months going on and on is, IMO, weird. 

I’m sorry, that shows a lack of basic understanding of how the internet works at a fundamental level. Literally anyone can buy a domain name and set up a redirect.  If the domain is available I can buy SantaClaus.com and redirect to Walmart’s home page and the hardest part would be getting up to find my wallet to type in the credit card info. Less than 15 min total time invested, less than $100.  I don’t have to live in America to do it either. So no, someone somewhere setting up antifa.com to redirect to the White House doesn’t feel nefarious to me at all.  The White House has no special legal ability to make the owner of that domain stop redirecting its traffic. Once purchased it’s private property, free speech, yatta yatta. 

ETA: this is incredibly common on the internet too.  My homeschool group has a redirect set up from one website to another.  Walmart and Amazon most likely own several common misspellings of their website names that redirect to the proper place. Very basic stuff. 

Was typing at the same time as Moonhawk.  

Edited April 9, 2021 by Cnew02

[Katy]

26 minutes ago, Pen said:

If some months after Jan 20th, typing Antifa.com on URL still redirects to Whitehouse, is it a Conspiracy Theory to think that some hackers or pranksters or who knows who did that are better at computer tech than the current Whitehouse administration?  Or to wonder if admin cares or if they do deliberately want to have redirects from Antifa.com go to them?   A few days of a prank not getting fixed is one thing. Months going on and on is, IMO, weird. 
 

There are a number of at least significantly odd things like that. 
 

Media covers supposed events at WH — and yet on the Live Webcams almost always all there ever seems to be is just one guard walking back and forth, back and forth, in front of the front door- and lights that seem to go on and off via what seems to be auto timers based on their regularity. 

I honestly can’t tell if you’re being a troll at this point or if you’ve fallen deep into mental illness, but this is not logical or healthy. None of it. Please seek help. 

[Pawz4me]

26 minutes ago, Pen said:

If some months after Jan 20th, typing Antifa.com on URL still redirects to Whitehouse, is it a Conspiracy Theory to think that some hackers or pranksters or who knows who did that are better at computer tech than the current Whitehouse administration?

What @Moonhawksaid (all of it). And @Cnew02.

Plus -- This sort of thing is incredibly common. I remember multiple times when one political campaign would suck up the domain name for something or other and have it redirect to either their website or their opponent's website (whichever scenario better fit the domain name). It's nothing but tiresome political silliness. I'm really surprised everyone doesn't know about it.

[HeartString]

5 minutes ago, Pawz4me said:

What @Moonhawksaid (all of it). And @Cnew02.

Plus -- This sort of thing is incredibly common. I remember multiple times when one political campaign would suck up the domain name for something or other and have it redirect to either their website or their opponent's website (whichever scenario better fit the domain name). It's nothing but tiresome political silliness. I'm really surprised everyone doesn't know about it.

So true!  People buy up websites all the time hoping to sell it to someone who really wants that domain name and is willing to pay for it.  So common that there is an iCarly episode on Nickelodeon from 10+ years ago with that as the plot.  Carly let’s her domain expire, a bratty kid from school buys it and Carly has to buy it back.  Kids-TV-show-plot level common.  
Even redirecting website domains has been a plot of a few kids show episodes over the years, I just can’t remember which ones specifically.  
 
 

Edited April 9, 2021 by Cnew02

[Sneezyone]

2 minutes ago, Cnew02 said:

So true!  People buy up websites all the time hoping to sell it to someone who really wants that domain name and is willing to pay for it.  So common that there is an iCarly episode on Nickelodeon from 10+ years ago with that as the plot.  Carly let’s her domain expire, a bratty kid from school buys it and Carly has to buy it back.  Kids-TV-show-plot level common.  

I remember that episode! DD was a em fan. 😂 I also worked in PR then and knew about the issue. It frequently got real news coverage as a cheap/easy stunt.

[WildflowerMom]

None of those things are significantly odd.  In fact, they are not even a little odd.   Listening to the claims of white supremacists and QAnon and then pretending you're not and that you don't even know who QAnon is, is significantly odd.  
Seriously, seek help-- Before it is too late and you are one of the people on the tv news that everyone is trying to identify so the FBI can arrest you.   None of us want to see that happen to you.    

[Moonhawk]

@Pen, Here is a quick video on how to do a redirect, so you can see what I was describing, and how easy it is. It takes literally less than a minute. For me, this would cost $8 to do because I have unlimited domain hosting already, and I would just need to buy the original domain.

If I wanted to manufacture proof of a conspiracy like this, buying antifa.com for $8 and doing 1 minute's worth of work would be a great deal.

[Pen]

19 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

I don't think there is a conspiracy group called "QAnon." "QAnon" is a name for people who follow the Q conspiracy which isn't a formal group. They call themselves "anons." 

Why are we "inclined to believe" certain people? I WRT Q stuff, people are inclined to believe people that tell them what they want to believe. When you say "heard" from someone who said this, is it in real life or a Youtube video? 
 

irl meaning a real person I have know for over 30 years

a person who was involved at a distance many years ago as part of real resistance to USSR take over of another country and who IME does not tend to be a dupe 

 

19 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

Yes, this. Think of how many people have to be involved in any kind of conspiracy. Think of how many of them must keep quiet for it to go undetected. It just doesn't make any sense. 

I didn't even realize that people were claiming that Hillary Clinton was involved in the Suez Canal incident but OF COURSE...if it goes wrong, then someone is going to say it has to do with Hillary Clinton. I had to get my brakes repaired yesterday...did Hillary Clinton tamper with my brakes??? Hmm....

Fact Check - Suez Canal-blocking ship was not trafficking people or raided by Navy SEAL

[Pen]

42 minutes ago, Moonhawk said:

@Pen, Here is a quick video on how to do a redirect, so you can see what I was describing, and how easy it is. It takes literally less than a minute. For me, this would cost $8 to do because I have unlimited domain hosting already, and I would just need to buy the original domain.

If I wanted to manufacture proof of a conspiracy like this, buying antifa.com for $8 and doing 1 minute's worth of work would be a great deal.

I am wondering why months go by and it is not fixed 

 

[Corraleno]

5 minutes ago, Pen said:

I am wondering why months go by and it is not fixed 

 

Because the Antifa.com domain is private property and the Whitehouse has no right to seize it from someone who is likely not even in the US!

Are you even reading what people are posting or are you just totally immune to any facts that refute these crazy conspiracy theories???

Edited April 9, 2021 by Corraleno

[Pen]

Someone wrote about Conspiracy theory that Tom Hanks is dead— I can’t find it now.

 

 I was thinking about that. I have no particular opinion about Hanks. I saw him in maybe 3 movies in my life including Forest Gump. I don’t think I would be able to recognize him if he were to be seated at a restaurant table next to mine (not that that would happen, but just sayin).

otoh ... Biden himself, even allowing for age and lots of plastic surgery,  looks a lot different than he did as Senator.  As Senator his ears looked fine, nothing that seemed like they needed plastic surgery... but they look a lot different in recent times. Again, weird. Doesn’t prove anything but “weird” things that don’t “add up” give a lot of space to fill in with “Conspiracy Theories”. 

[HeartString]

5 minutes ago, Pen said:

I am wondering why months go by and it is not fixed 

 

Fixed how?  And by whom?  It’s being done on purpose.  The White House can’t make them stop because it’s not illegal.  

[Corraleno]

Just now, Pen said:

Someone wrote about Conspiracy theory that Tom Hanks is dead— I can’t find it now.

 

 I was thinking about that. I have no particular opinion about Hanks. I saw him in maybe 3 movies in my life including Forest Gump. I don’t think I would be able to recognize him if he were to be seated at a restaurant table next to mine (not that that would happen, but just sayin).

otoh ... Biden himself, even allowing for age and lots of plastic surgery,  looks a lot different than he did as Senator.  As Senator his ears looked fine, nothing that seemed like they needed plastic surgery... but they look a lot different in recent times. Again, weird. Doesn’t prove anything but “weird” things that don’t “add up” give a lot of space to fill in with “Conspiracy Theories”. 

Are you for real??? You are seriously suggesting that Biden has been replaced with an imposter???

At this point I have to assume you are just trolling, or that someone else has taken over your account, because this is either a joke or it's evidence of mental illness.

Wow.

[Pen]

Just now, Corraleno said:

Because the Antifa.com domain is private property and the Whitehouse has no right to seize it from someone who is likely not even in the US!

Are you even reading what people are posting or are you just totally immune to any facts that refute these crazy conspiracy theories???

I read posts . 

 

[Spryte]

1 minute ago, Pen said:

Someone wrote about Conspiracy theory that Tom Hanks is dead— I can’t find it now.

 

 I was thinking about that. I have no particular opinion about Hanks. I saw him in maybe 3 movies in my life including Forest Gump. I don’t think I would be able to recognize him if he were to be seated at a restaurant table next to mine (not that that would happen, but just sayin).

otoh ... Biden himself, even allowing for age and lots of plastic surgery,  looks a lot different than he did as Senator.  As Senator his ears looked fine, nothing that seemed like they needed plastic surgery... but they look a lot different in recent times. Again, weird. Doesn’t prove anything but “weird” things that don’t “add up” give a lot of space to fill in with “Conspiracy Theories”. 

What are you saying here?  You think Biden is ... possibly not Biden?  

[Innisfree]

Guys. I think it's good and important that Pen is willing to talk about things here. Let's not chase her off. Responding with facts and valid sources could be helpful.

[HeartString]

15 minutes ago, Spryte said:

What are you saying here?  You think Biden is ... possibly not Biden?  

A common QAnon idea is that the “real” Hilary Clinton, Biden, pretty much everyone, have been secretly arrested for child sex trafficking, tried, executed and replaced with body doubles.
 

 Or alternatively that they are really lizard people in ppl suites but I have no idea how that works.  
 

And no, I’m not making either of those things up, they are actual ideas believed by QAnon believers.  

Edited April 9, 2021 by Cnew02