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9 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

Hey, culture question.

At civic events like this, do you guys do your own form of acknowledgement of country?

https://www.commonground.org.au/learn/acknowledgement-of-country#:~:text=So in Sydney%2C an Acknowledgement,'

 

7 hours ago, wathe said:

This is commonly done in Canada, referred to as Land Acknowledgement.  No idea about the USA.

I want to live in Canada. (Australia is very nice, too, but too far away!)

And, no, there is nothing like this.

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Amanda Gorman was amazing. And I loved seeing Eugene Goodman, who put his life on the line to lead rioters away from the Senate on January 6th, escorting Kamala Harris at her inauguration. 

Amanda Gorman was amazing! I watched it live and have already rewatched her once. 

It was wonderful!  I loved the fact that so many of the First Ladies coordinated and wore purple for unity.  I loved Bernie Sanders's home knit mittens.  I loved that Pence was there.  I thought Lady

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15 hours ago, Garga said:

I read the name a bunch of times before ever hearing it and had no clue how to pronounce it. But after reading what you wrote above, I doubt I’ll ever mispronounce it again: Kamala is the *first female VP and her name is stressed on the *first syllable.

I very much hated JLo’s interjection in the middle of the song. It completely took me away from the moment in a negative, jarring way. I had no idea what was going on and still don’t. Is it referencing a song she wrote? I really feel like it was all about “look at meeee!”. But since I have no clue what was happening, maybe I’m misreading that. (?) What did it mean? Why did she do that?

I was much more distressed by the choice of "This Land Is Your Land" as though it's a patriotic song. It's like no one knows anything beyond the first verse of that one.

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13 hours ago, KungFuPanda said:

 

 

OK, I thought it was cold.  The temperature wasn't THAT low, but I went to the grocery store that day, and I wasn't out very long, but some of those wind gusts were freezing.  It was like they belonged to a whole other day.  I'm with Bernie on this one.  

 

1. Tradition! 

2. It's a big machine and it takes some time to get new teams transitioned and get it driving it in another direction.

3. No good excuses.

 

 

 I think "Let's Get Loud" is being used politically lately as an anthem for speaking out against oppression.  It might not be as out of place as you imagine. She belted this phrase right after saying the last line of the pledge.  My personal interpretation was "We WILL be one nation, dammit, even if we have to make some noise getting there." I could be dead wrong, but I don't think the choice was as random as her just feeling like tossing a line of her own music into the mix.  

Oh, I understand now why she said it. And I understand now that it was supposed to have meaning. I understand she wasn’t just tossing in her own thing. 

And maybe it made people’s hearts sing, I dunno. To me, it didn’t fit with anything else. It came across as aggressive in some way. It was a discordant tone out of nowhere.

I also didn’t like when she was speaking Spanish. (Yup. I said it). If she was going to do that, they should have translated it on screen. I have no idea what she said. I actually didn’t even know she sang “Let’s Get Loud” because I was thinking it was still in Spanish. 

So, there I am watching her sing, and she suddenly aggressively starts speaking in Spanish, saying I have no idea what, and then sings out some words (that I didn’t realize were English because my ears were still trying to sort out what she’d just said) and then keeps going with the America song. I had no idea what just happened. Had she just said F-Trump? Had she said Go Biden? No clue what was happening.

It was just weird. All I could do was raise an eyebrow and wonder what had just happened and who thought it was a good idea.

4 hours ago, Sneezyone said:

Meh. I’m fine with her as a performer. I actually enjoyed the Super Bowl performance last year as it befit the raucous occasion. Her vocals were definitely better than Lady Gaga’s. I probably would have felt differently about this insertion if there had been a receptive crowd present, a traditional inauguration, a celebratory and rally-type atmosphere. I wouldn’t expect people sitting in their homes and septuagenarian onlookers to participate tho so it struck a discordant note. It just didn’t fit. It’s also true that raucous crowd amping just isn’t what I’m looking for given all that’s occurred. 
 

ETA: I don’t think she went off script. I think the people requesting and allowing that script were tone deaf.

Yup, to everything you just said.

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22 hours ago, vonfirmath said:

I wonder if this is a case where schools have opened the door

Almost every year, my kids have had to do a project that have to do with their origins. Dressing a picture up in their cultural clothing. Making food to share from their heritage. Writing a essay about their background. Etc. This does lead to curiousity about where others come from.

 

This is actually one of the reasons I homeschooled my kids. I'm biracial and not born Jewish. My husband's dad isn't Jewish (although he'd win a Woody Allen contest). All the Jewish schools do this activity in elementary school. Some kids have illustrious ancestry as seen in Jewish circles. Mine have veeeerrrryyyy not that. It is so othering.

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1 hour ago, Garga said:

Oh, I understand now why she said it. And I understand now that it was supposed to have meaning. I understand she wasn’t just tossing in her own thing. 

And maybe it made people’s hearts sing, I dunno. To me, it didn’t fit with anything else. It came across as aggressive in some way. It was a discordant tone out of nowhere.

 

Yes, this describes how I felt about it. 

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2 hours ago, MercyA said:

 

I want to live in Canada. (Australia is very nice, too, but too far away!)

And, no, there is nothing like this.

I have been at many events in the PNW where First Nations people’s original settlement of where we are is acknowledged. 

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I was actually hoping through the whole performance that she would switch to Spanish at some point, so I was actually excited when she did and I clapped while sitting here on my couch. 😁 The let’s get loud part didn’t really bother me either but I did think it was weird. 

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12 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

Hey, culture question.

At civic events like this, do you guys do your own form of acknowledgement of country?

https://www.commonground.org.au/learn/acknowledgement-of-country#:~:text=So in Sydney%2C an Acknowledgement,'

Like Lauraw, I’ve been seeing this increasingly in my part of the country. 

19 minutes ago, Joker2 said:

I was actually hoping through the whole performance that she would switch to Spanish at some point, so I was actually excited when she did and I clapped while sitting here on my couch. 😁 The let’s get loud part didn’t really bother me either but I did think it was weird. 

The loud part threw me off and I had to rewind because I wasn’t sure what she said, but I liked the Spanish part. We have some Spanish language learners in the house (including one who is quite fluent), which may impact that, but I think it’s a beautiful language sung and there are enough Spanish speaking citizens of this country that I think it’s a nice acknowledgment of them. 

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6 hours ago, TCB said:

Well done! I really appreciate your calm, polite response. It seems somehow ironic, or maybe hypocritical, to hear people pointing out some way you have offended others while they grind you into the dust. I really appreciated your response.

Thank you.  It's another skill I'm trying to teach my son is how to accept constructive criticism whether you agree with it or not.  After 40 some odd years in customer service working in corporations and now my own business, I've learned how to give and take constructive criticism. There are many shades of gray and no one is ever wrong, they just have different ways of doing things. Be polite,  open minded, listen, and learn, and decide what works for you. 

And given that we just watched the Inauguration and the Celebration of America concert in which the theme is to come together in unity, trying my best not to be divisive.   All the songs and stories were beautiful, particularly liked Tim McGraw's song Undivided which was perfect,  and Katie Perry's song Fireworks accompanied by all the fireworks drove me to tears.   

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Aggressively speaking Spanish? 😂 She was reciting some of the Pledge of Allegiance. 🤣 I don’t see the problem.
 

But brace yourself, people : majority minority is not far off. ¡Azúcar!

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2 minutes ago, Robin M said:

Did anyone watch the Celebration of America concert?   

I didn't, I had watched way to many hours of tv at that point.  I didn't know there was a night time event on and I feel bad that we missed it.  It looked neat too.  

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3 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

I didn't, I had watched way to many hours of tv at that point.  I didn't know there was a night time event on and I feel bad that we missed it.  It looked neat too.  

It's online so you can watch at your leisure when you're ready.  PBS news 

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17 minutes ago, Robin M said:

Thank you.  It's another skill I'm trying to teach my son is how to accept constructive criticism whether you agree with it or not.  After 40 some odd years in customer service working in corporations and now my own business, I've learned how to give and take constructive criticism. There are many shades of gray and no one is ever wrong, they just have different ways of doing things. Be polite,  open minded, listen, and learn, and decide what works for you. 

And given that we just watched the Inauguration and the Celebration of America concert in which the theme is to come together in unity, trying my best not to be divisive.   All the songs and stories were beautiful, particularly liked Tim McGraw's song Undivided which was perfect,  and Katie Perry's song Fireworks accompanied by all the fireworks drove me to tears.   

Just wanted to let you know that you are my online hero of the day.  😊

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21 minutes ago, Robin M said:

Katie Perry's song Fireworks accompanied by all the fireworks drove me to tears.

This was a lovely finale. The fireworks were spectacular. 

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2 hours ago, lauraw4321 said:

I have been at many events in the PNW where First Nations people’s original settlement of where we are is acknowledged. 

That's wonderful! I haven't seen it at all here in the Midwest. 

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So, there I am watching her sing, and she suddenly aggressively starts speaking in Spanish, saying I have no idea what, and then sings out some words (that I didn’t realize were English because my ears were still trying to sort out what she’d just said) and then keeps going with the America song. I had no idea what just happened. Had she just said F-Trump? Had she said Go Biden? No clue what was happening.

 

LOL, how funny! You had me going! Of course,  nobody, not even a really hardened bigot, would think that merely speaking another language is "aggressive" or possibly consider that anybody would use a public performance such as this to curse out the other party!

HAHA! I almost thought you were serious, but nobody would honestly think something so silly. What's next? Signing during the pledge confused you because she might actually have been signing slurs? *giggles* That's really funny.

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2 hours ago, MercyA said:

That's wonderful! I haven't seen it at all here in the Midwest. 

I don't know anything about Washington DC. Is there a displaced indigenous people who formerly lived on the land the city is now on? Please excuse my ignorance. 

For example, I live on Gadigal land of the Eora nation. Acknowledgement of land is commonplace here, most events start with it, including in schools, and it's always puzzled me  that this seems more of a Commonwealth thing?  

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4 hours ago, Joker2 said:

I was actually hoping through the whole performance that she would switch to Spanish at some point, so I was actually excited when she did and I clapped while sitting here on my couch. 😁 The let’s get loud part didn’t really bother me either but I did think it was weird. 


We loved the Spanish. We have Spanish speakers in my home, who are also Americans. We were excited when J Lo showed up (looking spectacular) and looovvveeddddd the acknowledgment of her heritage. Why wouldn’t she? But we are an acquired taste. Obviously. 
 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

I don't know anything about Washington DC. Is there a displaced indigenous people who formerly lived on the land the city is now on? Please excuse my ignorance. 

For example, I live on Gadigal land of the Eora nation. Acknowledgement of land is commonplace here, most events start with it, including in schools, and it's always puzzled me  that this seems more of a Commonwealth thing?  

Yes. The Piscataway and Pawmunky. Several tribes moved through that area tho. Anacosta, Algonquin...

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3 hours ago, bibiche said:

Aggressively speaking Spanish? 😂 She was reciting some of the Pledge of Allegiance. 🤣 I don’t see the problem, except for xénophobes. 

 

1 hour ago, Tanaqui said:

LOL, how funny! You had me going! Of course,  nobody, not even a really hardened bigot, would think that merely speaking another language is "aggressive"

I liked the Spanish part (better than the rest of the medley, actually!), but I went back and watched it again and there is definitely a strident tone there. I don't find it objectionable at all; it reminded me, oddly enough, of a street preacher with whom I once worked. Passionate. But there was a definite change of tone and it was a little unexpected and startling. I think that's what @Gargawas referencing.

Immediately concluding that the word "aggressive" is bigoted or xenophobic seems a leap to me and not very charitable to Garga. I've never known her to be anything but kind. 

Maybe there is something I'm missing.

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1 hour ago, Melissa Louise said:

I don't know anything about Washington DC. Is there a displaced indigenous people who formerly lived on the land the city is now on? Please excuse my ignorance. 

For example, I live on Gadigal land of the Eora nation. Acknowledgement of land is commonplace here, most events start with it, including in schools, and it's always puzzled me  that this seems more of a Commonwealth thing?  

It’s becoming more common in the US.  Not “mainstream” yet, in my perception.  

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On 1/22/2021 at 8:16 PM, MercyA said:

 

I liked the Spanish part (better than the rest of the medley, actually!), but I went back and watched it again and there is definitely a strident tone there. I don't find it objectionable at all; it reminded me, oddly enough, of a street preacher with whom I once worked. Passionate. But there was a definite change of tone and it was a little unexpected and startling. I think that's what @Gargawas referencing.

Immediately concluding that the word "aggressive" is bigoted or xenophobic seems a leap to me and not very charitable to Garga. I've never known her to be anything but kind. 

Maybe there is something I'm missing.

Yes, I just went back and watched it again too and I’m not seeing this strident, aggressive change. If she had said it in English no one would have remarked on it. It was the Spanish that unsettled people. 
 

The fact of the matter is that a lot of Americans - usually white Americans in my experience - react very negatively when people - particularly brown or black people in my experience - speak other languages. Why is this? I think fundamentally it has to do with fear of being displaced in a changing society. I also think that many people haven’t stopped to examine why they have a knee jerk negative reaction to hearing other languages, particularly “less desirable” languages being spoken and elevated.

It doesn’t really work since she isn’t American, but imagine if Céline Dion had sung instead of Jennifer Lopez and she said something in French. Would people have been as outraged? I’d hazard a guess that they would not have been, because Céline Dion is white and French isn’t a threatening language when spoken by a white person. Spanish is scary because scary brown people speak it. And this is America! They need to speak English here! And stay in their place!

 

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7 hours ago, Joker2 said:

I was actually hoping through the whole performance that she would switch to Spanish at some point, so I was actually excited when she did and I clapped while sitting here on my couch. 😁 The let’s get loud part didn’t really bother me either but I did think it was weird. 

 

3 hours ago, Big Buckin' Longhorn said:

We loved the Spanish. We have Spanish speakers in my home, who are also Americans. We were excited when J Lo showed up (looking spectacular) and looovvveeddddd the acknowledgment of her heritage. Why wouldn’t she? But we are an acquired taste. Obviously.

Yes to both of these! I loved the Spanish! I love love love to hear other languages spoken wherever I am in America. The more diversity of people and languages the better as far as I'm concerned. Multiculturalism is one of the things that makes America special to me. 

I also liked the "let's get loud," appropriate or not. I did find it somewhat jarring, and for a split second I was taken out of the moment, but then I felt joy wash over me because it was like a venting of some of the feeling of beaten down voices finally being heard and celebrated after all the indecency perpetrated against immigrants, refugees, and minorities for the last five years. 

23 minutes ago, bibiche said:

The fact of the matter is that a lot of Americans - usually white Americans in my experience - react very negatively when people - particularly brown or black people in my experience - speak other languages. Why is this? I think fundamentally it has to do with fear of being displaced in a changing society. I also think that many people haven’t stopped to examine why they have a knee jerk negative reaction to hearing other languages, particularly “less desirable” languages being spoken and elevated.

It doesn’t really work since she isn’t American, but imagine if Céline Dion had sung instead of Jennifer Lopez and she said something in French. Would people have been as outraged? I’d hazard a guess that they would not have been, because Céline Dion is white and French isn’t a threatening language when spoken by a white person. Spanish is scary because scary brown people speak it. And this is America! They need to speak English here! And stay in their place!

Yes, the sentiment makes me bristle. I grew up with parents who despise hearing other languages in America. And they're decidedly in the "learn English" crowd. It makes me so sad and angry. And it makes me FURIOUS that they retired in El Paso, Texas and have the nerve to complain about Spanish being spoken everywhere. I mean... 

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3 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

I don't know anything about Washington DC. Is there a displaced indigenous people who formerly lived on the land the city is now on? Please excuse my ignorance. 

For example, I live on Gadigal land of the Eora nation. Acknowledgement of land is commonplace here, most events start with it, including in schools, and it's always puzzled me  that this seems more of a Commonwealth thing?  

You can safely assume that that there is a displaced indigenous people who formerly lived on the land of every city in North America.

ETA: the only exception to displaced would be extinct.

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I'm confused by the idea there was a change in tone - when she went from singing to speaking, of course there would be a change. 

As for strident - it was part of the pledge - passionate about the pledge seems good? And most of her singing was passionate I thought?

And given that Spanish is the official language of Puerto Rico, a US territory who was presumably watching along with the 50 states and DC, it seems totally fine to use it in an official, national ceremony. 

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13 hours ago, bibiche said:

The fact of the matter is that a lot of Americans - usually white Americans in my experience - react very negatively when people - particularly brown or black people in my experience - speak other languages. Why is this? I think fundamentally it has to do with fear of being displaced in a changing society. I also think that many people haven’t stopped to examine why they have a knee jerk negative reaction to hearing other languages, particularly “less desirable” languages being spoken and elevated.

It's almost as if they don't want to be a minority, because minorities are treated differently, or something..

The Melting Pot apparently melted to a certain color, and now is resistant to anything new being added to the mix. The "us" vs "them" mindset seems to have trouble with too large an us, but with a little practice I think it can be inclusive as it should be for a country as diverse as us.

Re Spanish at the inauguration: I haven't watched an inauguration before this one. So I don't know if it is common. But I appreciated that a ceremony for the people and of the country tried to acknowledge the current people and the country as a whole.

It didn't go overboard -- I mean, think of all the different cultures in the US, then think about the performers: we had Lady Gaga (white? in American terms at least), Garth Brooks (white, and country star so definitely catering to that segment of the population), Jennifer Lopez (hispanic, but an American Staple hispanic so very non-threatening), Amanda Gorman (black, and young), and...that's it yeah? If they were trying for diversity-in-your-face, they could have done much much more. As it was, this could be called tepid. So really it touched/acknowledged the largest groups but did not dwell. It was a headnod, not a speech about Hispanic Americans and their contributions.

I can understand if you don't care for a performance, if it's not to your taste, but to object to the language seems a bit weird from a Great American Melting Pot perspective.

eta: I personally didn't like Lady Gaga's performance. But, I seem to hardly ever like a big star's rendition of Star Spangled Banner. I recognize it was good, just I didn't like it. So I know I'm the minority and that's ok 🙂 

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17 minutes ago, Moonhawk said:

 

I can understand if you don't care for a performance, if it's not to your taste, but to object to the language seems a bit weird from a Great American Melting Pot perspective.

Personally I had no problem with the language. I think - throw tomatoes if ya want but this is just my own opinion - what troubled me is that there was a sort of “rally” feeling to her shout out. I appreciate all the reasoning for that shared upthread. I think I shared in a previous post that I felt it incongruent with the decorum of the event. (Et explain further - the rally feel, with shouting, is something I associate with a political event. The inauguration was meant to be a unifying event.)

I am sad that sharing that personal opinion leaves me painted as a xenophobe. I’m not a JLo fan; this performance didn’t win me over. 

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I just talked with my mom about inauguration. She thinks is was lovely and strongly agrees with the tone and message of the whole event. Then she says but I don’t understand why singers need to interrupt their songs to talk. She  continues, and I realize she is referencing Garth Brooks when he invited a singalong. She felt it disrupted his flow, and that it isn’t a usual “singalong” song. In her opinion, he was thinking of himself and not the song. She is a fan of country music, but usually artists older than Garth. I’m laughing because I was so surprised she wasn’t thinking of Jennifer Lopez. I imagine this is the first time she’s ever heard her sing. She says she didn’t remember any part being  in Spanish. She said that song melodies aren’t her favorite. She wishes either song had been sung more fully. I suspect the transition felt awkward to her for that reason so she missed what was actually said.

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26 minutes ago, Seasider too said:

Personally I had no problem with the language. I think - throw tomatoes if ya want but this is just my own opinion - what troubled me is that there was a sort of “rally” feeling to her shout out. I appreciate all the reasoning for that shared upthread. I think I shared in a previous post that I felt it incongruent with the decorum of the event. (Et explain further - the rally feel, with shouting, is something I associate with a political event. The inauguration was meant to be a unifying event.)

I am sad that sharing that personal opinion leaves me painted as a xenophobe. I’m not a JLo fan; this performance didn’t win me over. 

I think your opinion is entirely reasonable.

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21 minutes ago, Thatboyofmine said:

Does anyone know who the band was that looked like they were from the revolutionary war?   I'm trying to find it for dh... 

During the military review?  I think they're the Old Guard, 3rd US infantry.

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