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Thanks @FuzzyCatz & @KSera. Looks like so far the linited data is pointing to less serious infections after 3rd doses but too early to know if there is less transmission or less infection.

ETA: Missed this one https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/third-pfizer-dose-86-effective-over-60s-israeli-hmo-says-2021-08-18/  that has prelim results that the booster lowers infection risk by 86% in over 60s (data study group)

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4 hours ago, Syllieann said:

I'm curious about the 4% of unvaccinated doctors.  The medical contraindication rate can't be that high, I don't think?  I wonder if some of the doctors who were already infected decided not to get vaccinated.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19#:~:text=Jun%2011%2C%202021,in%20vaccination%20rates%20across%20regions.

It's from a survey the AMA sent out.

Someone else on SM tipped me off to its origin, and then I googled. HTH.

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On 8/29/2021 at 11:18 AM, RootAnn said:

Can someone link to the studies that show the 3rd shot is leading to less infection or less hospitalization or less transmission than "full immunization" (after 5, 6, 8, whatever months). The last I saw from Israel (a few weeks ago) was that a 3rd shot wasn't reducing infection.

ETA: I'm surrounded by lots of anti-mask, not pro-vax people. I know several few doctors & nurses who are not vaccinated.

When I listened to TWIV they said there really wasn’t data to support it yet. I think I heard something about a study from Israel, but maybe it was just a report saying cases seemed to be dropping in Israel, maybe due to the booster, but I don’t have a link I’m afraid.

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On 8/27/2021 at 7:10 PM, BeachGal said:

Biden and Fauci discussed Israel’s data after administering the third booster there. The US was planning to recommend waiting eight months and might change that to five or six months.

I hope so! I'm a basket case at school. 

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The logistics for the manufacture and distribution of the COVID-19 vaccines are quite complicated. My Stepson had the first dose of the Moderna vaccine a few weeks ago. I was contemplating going with him, when he goes back for the 2nd dose. We live in Colombia.  Something happened.  Colombia ordered 5 million doses to arrive in Bogota during the 3rd quarter of 2021. There's September to go, but so far, only 180,000 doses have arrived in Bogota.

Colombia has asked the U.S. Government if they can loan us 5 million doses of Moderna and then Colombia can have what we paid for sent to the USA to repay them.

This has made a huge dent in the vaccination plan for COVID-19 here.

I think I missed my chance for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, but I would like to get that one or the Moderna, if I have the opportunity.  The vaccine is Free here, it's just a matter of them having the one I want available in a place that isn't too far from where we live.

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1 hour ago, mommyoffive said:

A "13-fold higher risk of breakthrough infection compared to reinfection" sounds huge, but one of the comments on that paper says that if you look at the actual numbers, the breakthrough infection rate is 1.46% vs 0.12% for reinfections. And what these stats leave out is that 1.5% of previously infected people are immune from reinfection because they're dead. So the chance of having a breakthrough infection if you're vaccinated is lower than the chance of dying of covid if you catch it while unvaccinated? 

I haven't had time to go through the paper myself, I will try to do that later tonight, but there were multiple comments on the paper pointing out the above issues.

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Looks like there's a couple of new vaccines being developed in Australia - one is needle-free. They're up to human trials, so maybe another year?

 

First Australian COVID-19 DNA vaccine trial commences - The University of Sydney

Promising COVID vaccine developed in Australia gets green light for human clinical trials (themandarin.com.au)

 

Ooh, and here's the French one being tested in NZ

Better against Delta? New vaccine trial in NZ set to start (theworldnews.net)

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By the way, I know of so many people in Australia who are totally not happy about the vaccine, but are vaccinated because their bosses told them to. Like, people who are posting anti-vax stuff on their fb, but they want to keep their jobs. Not necessarily govt jobs, either - just private employees who are telling their employees that they have to get done by a certain date, because they're dealing with the public. 

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2 minutes ago, Spryte said:

Makes one wonder about mixing shots for the boosters, doesn’t it?

Dh and I had Moderna and will for sure get that for a booster.  My kids had Pfizer.  Gosh I wish they would have had the choice of Moderna.  I would like them to get that for a booster but I am bit worried about it with the heart issues for younger people.  Maybe that wouldn't be a good idea. 

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23 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

This is in contrast to the 425 pediatric Covid deaths reported in the US so far. 47 of those 425 (more than ten percent) have happened in just the past two weeks 😥
 

eta link to AAP data: https://downloads.aap.org/AAP/PDF/AAP and CHA - Children and COVID-19 State Data Report 8.26 FINAL.pdf

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3 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

Dh and I had Moderna and will for sure get that for a booster.  My kids had Pfizer.  Gosh I wish they would have had the choice of Moderna.  I would like them to get that for a booster but I am bit worried about it with the heart issues for younger people.  Maybe that wouldn't be a good idea. 

Luckily kids were more recently vaccinated. I'd like to see the data, because there has been some concern about the Moderna booster.

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5 minutes ago, melmichigan said:

Luckily kids were more recently vaccinated. I'd like to see the data, because there has been some concern about the Moderna booster.

What's the concern about the Moderna booster? I've also thought about switching it up (I got Pfizer) if we end up getting a choice...

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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/pair-sold-registered-fake-vaccine-cards-for-nyc-healthcare-workers-da-says/3249082/

"An anti-vaccine entrepreneur sold about 250 fake COVID-19 vaccination cards through Instagram to New York healthcare workers, while a conspirator entered some of those people into a state database for vaccination registrations, Manhattan prosecutors said Tuesday. 

The Manhattan District Attorney's Office charged Jasmine Clifford, 31, of Lyndhurst, New Jersey, with selling the fake cards, and Nadayza Barkley, 27, of Bellport, NY, with entering at least 10 of the buyers into the state's centralized NYSIIS database -- which powers the state's Excelsior Pass. 

The DA's office also charged 13 people with buying the fake cards from Clifford via her "@AntiVaxMomma" account, among them hospital and nursing home workers. The DA's office said Clifford charged $200 for the cards and Barkley charged an extra $250 to register buyers in the database."

So healthcare workers were paying $450 to commit fraud rather than get a vaccine that would cost them nothing and protect them from a potentially deadly disease. 

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1 hour ago, mommyoffive said:

I Was Nervous About Getting the COVID-19 Vaccine While Pregnant. Here's What Convinced Me to Do It (msn.com)

My friend's coworker just died after giving birth to her 5th child because she was afraid to get the vaccine while pregnant.  She was 37.  Her DH (I assume he wasn't vaccinated) is in the hospital on a ventilator and they don't know if he's going to make it.  😞  So sad. 

 

 

 

 

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My son was booked to have his second jab after 12 weeks, and couldn't find availability to move it to 8 weeks after that was allowed - the system insisted that he attend the original centre and there were no appointments.  He was planning on - legally - bypassing the system this week to attend a walk-in clinic.

Out of the blue, a member of NHS staff called him up today and offered him an appointment on Friday.  He's pleased to be getting the jab but also to find that the 8-week period pinged a reminder for someone to call him, and presumably a lot of other young people.

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12 minutes ago, Laura Corin said:

Out of the blue, a member of NHS staff called him up today and offered him an appointment on Friday.  He's pleased to be getting the jab but also to find that the 8-week period pinged a reminder for someone to call him, and presumably a lot of other young people.

Your system has consistently been so much more organized than ours. Glad he’ll get his second this week. 

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I'm clinging onto the hope that the higher vaccination rates in older cohorts in Scotland compared to Israel will protect them/us and the hospitals, even with some waning immunity. These are the sources,

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/among-older-israelis-serious-covid-rate-six-times-higher-if-unvaccinated/amp/

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/phs.covid.19/viz/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

 

 

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