ieta_cassiopeia Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 14 hours ago, Lucy the Valiant said: Are antibodies created by natural infection biologically different than antibodies created by the vaccine? (I'm trying to understand this.) If they are the same thing, why should already-infected-and-recovered people need the vaccine? (Edited to add: Maybe this is something that is time-dependent, and we just don't know yet how long natural immunity lasts, OR how long the vaccine-induced immunity lasts?) It's to strengthen both the range of variants one is protected against, and the length of time one is protected for. OxfordAstrazeneca protects 15-20 % points more with two doses than one, as an example, which is likely due to providing more immunity and resistance against more variants than the natural method. It has also been shown to work for at least six months when it does work, as opposed to natural infection (which has had many cases of people getting re-infected because a variant was different from the one they had the first time). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Vaccine and transmission: An update - Your Local Epidemiologist (substack.com) The biggest, lingering question of the pandemic is: Does the COVID19 vaccine reduce transmission? Not all vaccines do, so this is important to figure out so we know what we can and cannot do (like stop wearing masks or visit non-vaccinated people). Yesterday, two studies came out of Israel. A lot will start coming out from this country because 32% of their population is full vaccinated. This is the first place where we have “real world” data (opposed to a nicely controlled randomized clinical trial), so we can learn a LOT. The first wasn’t really a study (by my standards) but a leaked report prepared by Israel's Health Ministry and Pfizer. I have yet to see this “leaked report” (I don’t have connections in this area), but Reuters got a copy. This is what they reported: The study used a national database of the health records of hundreds of thousands of Israelis The Pfizer vaccine reduced asymptomatic infection (i.e. transmission) by 89.4% So far, Pfizer and Israel’s Health Ministry have “no comment”. But if this is confirmed, this is massive news (thus, why it was probably leaked). This will likely be the “ah ha” study we have all been waiting for. But, before we get excited, we really have to wait until other scientists (with no conflicts of interest) assess the rigor of the findings and point out any biases or mistakes. There is incredible value in peer-reviewed science. The second study was published in the Lancet (and, thus, peer-reviewed). This study isn’t as exciting, though, because it’s a study within a study. In other words, the scientists didn’t intend to study transmission, so the sample is small and there are some limitations to the data. Nonetheless, this is what the scientists found: The study was based in Israel’s Sheba Medical Center where they are following 7,214 hospital staff who received their first Pfizer dose in January There was an 75% reduction in asymptomatic COVID-19 cases detected by testing 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terabith Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Yeah, I had no idea why Faucci was saying kids as young as first grade could get vaccinated by September when trials hadn't even started yet. That made absolutely no sense. He should have known better. I do think it's possible that the 12-17 year old set will likely be able to be vaccinated by fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not_a_Number Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, Terabith said: That made absolutely no sense. He should have known better. I mean, honestly... I like Fauci, but the man is 80. If he hasn't been as realistic or as flexible during this pandemic as possible, it's kind of expected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy the Valiant Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 My state DOES have people from other states coming in to get the vaccine faster, and just released a statement that they will now be checking for resident ID (not just owning property here, but living here) at the vaccine appointments. I have a friend who is eligible but is waiting until the last tier opens; she had covid in July and still has active antibodies (convalescent plasma donor). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 My Navy kid got his first and will get a second one soon. . We are guessing he'll be deployed in a few months, so I'm glad he got it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) Real-life impact of vaccination. Evidence from over a million vaccinations. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600 Edited February 22, 2021 by Laura Corin 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Vaccines are beginning to be rolled out today. Our health lady had hers and they screened it. I actually felt a bit emotional which took me by surprise. The PM and a few others had them yesterday. Quarantine and health workers are up for the first round. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, Laura Corin said: Real-life impact of vaccination. Evidence from over a million vaccinations. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600 Fabulous news. I have to say if anyone had said we’d be here in September I would have been very surprised. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: Fabulous news. I have to say if anyone had said we’d be here in September I would have been very surprised. I'm still waiting for data about transmission and protection from infection, because I'm seriously concerned about Long Covid, but every bit of good news helps. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Colombia has purchased six (6) different vaccines. Several days ago there were things in the news that were of great interest to me: (1) The Pfizer vaccine, which I had planned to decline if that's what they were planning to give when it is my turn, because of the need for Ultra Freezers (-70 C storage). Pfizer announced last Friday (?) that it is not necessary to have Ultra Freezers and they have or will apply for permission not to require Ultlra Freezers. (2) I read that South Korea cancelled their plan to use the AstraZeneca vaccine. When I researched that it is because they are not sure it is effective in those of us who are above the age of 64. Apparently a number of European countries have banned the use of that vaccine in people above 64. If and when they call me about getting vaccinated I will ask which vaccine they will use. I am now open to the Pfizer vaccine, which I wasn't before, and I am now closed to the AstraZeneca vaccine because they are not sure if it works in elderly people. If we get vaccinated it is Free, so we will need to get the vaccine they are giving that day or go somewhere else and pay for a different vaccine by another company. Thank God in recent weeks the occupancy rate in the ICUs here in the city of Cali has decreased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not_a_Number Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Laura Corin said: Real-life impact of vaccination. Evidence from over a million vaccinations. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600 So AstraZeneca actually did quite well! Interesting. Their other data was much more iffy, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said: So AstraZeneca actually did quite well! Interesting. Their other data was much more iffy, right? They tested in various places and I think they didn't standardise their protocols well enough to produce good data. Eta so far as I know the individual protocols produced good information but amalgamation was a problem. Edited February 22, 2021 by Laura Corin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCB Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 @Lanny Have a look at the information about the AstraZeneca vaccine @Laura Corin posted earlier. It seems to show very good protection against serious illness and hospitalization. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 40 minutes ago, TCB said: @Lanny Have a look at the information about the AstraZeneca vaccine @Laura Corin posted earlier. It seems to show very good protection against serious illness and hospitalization. It's worth noting that the UK started vaccination with the very oldest people plus health care workers, so the concerns that AstraZenica didn't include enough over-65s in their trials may no longer be an issue, as these data must cover them. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 1:18 AM, mathnerd said: 3 of my friends in Austin got their shots last week (under 50 years of age) and they do not have health risks. Apparently, there is not much demand for vaccines over there and it was available to them. That's--strange. I live in the Austin area and everyone I know of trying to get a shot is signing up everywhere, trying to get in. There is a lot of frustration at the lack of access. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I just got an appointment for the Pfizer vaccine on Friday 🙂 I'm not sure that I have ever felt so happy and relieved at getting an appointment made. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Anyone know if the Moderna shot has an effect on sugar for diabetics? I think I read that is the case for Pfizer. My dad had the 1st dose of the Moderna shot in late January. The next time he went to the doctor, his sugar level had shot up to almost 500 (way, way higher than it had ever been). So they changed his medication and put him on a very restricted diet. He is due to have the 2nd dose of the vax very shortly. Should we expect more problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, SKL said: Anyone know if the Moderna shot has an effect on sugar for diabetics? I think I read that is the case for Pfizer. My dad had the 1st dose of the Moderna shot in late January. The next time he went to the doctor, his sugar level had shot up to almost 500 (way, way higher than it had ever been). So they changed his medication and put him on a very restricted diet. He is due to have the 2nd dose of the vax very shortly. Should we expect more problems? Anything that activates the immune system makes my blood sugar levels go wonky, and I know the app I use has a place to flag for illness, etc. I'll have to see what mine do after Friday. I know a friend of mine had her only side effect being that her Apple watch reported a spike in heart rates about 24 hours after each shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Exciting! Results from England have been added to this morning's Scotland results.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153617 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 My kid had to write an essay about whether or not kids / teens should get the Covid vax, and I was reviewing it for her. We found the following article, which suggests that maybe vaccines developed for adults are not ideal for kids. Thoughts? https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200923/children-have-better-covid-immune-response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, SKL said: My kid had to write an essay about whether or not kids / teens should get the Covid vax, and I was reviewing it for her. We found the following article, which suggests that maybe vaccines developed for adults are not ideal for kids. Thoughts? https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200923/children-have-better-covid-immune-response Interesting article, but I agree with kand that their point is not that vaccines designed for adults are not ideal for kids, but rather that looking at how kids' immune systems respond might help us design better vaccines for adults. They seem to be suggesting that instead of focusing just on generating antibodies, we should look at ways to boost adult levels of interleukin and interferon gamma, since children have better immune responses in part because they have higher levels of those. Edited February 23, 2021 by Corraleno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Corraleno said: Interesting article, but I agree with kand that their point is not that vaccines designed for adults are not ideal for kids, but rather that looking at how kids' immune systems respond might help us design better vaccines for adults. They seem to be suggesting that instead of focusing just on generating antibodies, we should look at ways to boost adult levels of interleukin and interferon gamma, since children have better immune responses in part because they have higher levels of those. I thought that might be a possible interpretation of one of the sentences, but I also think that the article as a whole indicates a different approach is appropriate for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April - WSJ What do you guys think of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, mommyoffive said: We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April - WSJ What do you guys think of this? From his lips to God's ear! I believe it is more wishful thinking than anything else, but the combination of Spring and the vaccine will hopefully continue the decline in cases we're seeing. I know my area has gone from being in the 90's on that Kinsa tool to being in the 50's, which is awesome. I don't think we will be able to reach herd immunity by April because a big chunk of the population cannot be vaccinated at all because they are below age 16, so even if all adults are able to get the vaccine in March/April if they want it, and we get to herd immunity percentages there, it can still spread among kids and keep circling-even if it is less likely to be severe. If a couple of the trials in kids pan out, hopefully we can get vaccine for everyone who wants it by Fall, and let school start in September with a lot fewer concerns about social distancing. Although I hope the "keep your child home if they have symptoms" and the flexibility for jobs that can be done at home to have the option to be done at home at least sometimes stays. And I am thinking that I will probably continue masking to teach during cold and flu season and running an air purifier in my studio, because honestly, I've been healthier this year than in any prior year! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieta_cassiopeia Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 8 hours ago, SKL said: My kid had to write an essay about whether or not kids / teens should get the Covid vax, and I was reviewing it for her. We found the following article, which suggests that maybe vaccines developed for adults are not ideal for kids. Thoughts? https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200923/children-have-better-covid-immune-response True. This is why under-16s aren't getting vaccinated yet - 12-16 is deemed to require separate tests, then 6-12 is allowed to have separate tests start, then under-6s, and the correct protocol is assumed to be potentially different in all three cases compared to adults. (Incidentally, it's also why people who are pregnant can't be vaccinated in the UK yet in most cases - pregnant women have to be tested separately too due to unborn babies reacting differently to people who have already been born). It is also why the UK hasn't yet approved OxfordAstraZeneca for the 16/17-year-old crowd. Pfizer included enough people of those ages in their Phase III tests, OxfordAstraZeneca did not. Testing is happening, but it will be some time before we know if, and how much, modification is needed to give children protection. This is important because I think the endgame for this will be having a childhood injection (perhaps with a booster), followed by a recommendation of up-to-date boosters just before going to countries where COVID-19 is still a thing (similar to rabies) or a compulsory vaccination against whichever variants happen to be extant in the locality to which someone wishes to travel (similar to yellow fever). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 A thought inspired by another thread: If it's advisable to get only 1 shot after you've had actual Covid, is anyone testing people to see if they've had Covid before administering the shot? Seems that is something they should do. Like maybe perform a Covid antibody test right before giving the first jab. Then if they have antibodies, cancel the appointment for the second jab. I also hear people saying it is stupid to get the vax when you have Covid, but is anyone doing a rapid Covid test before giving the jab? Considering how common it is for people of all ages to have mild or no symptoms with Covid, it would seem logical to do this, unless there is some information I am missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SKL said: A thought inspired by another thread: If it's advisable to get only 1 shot after you've had actual Covid, is anyone testing people to see if they've had Covid before administering the shot? Seems that is something they should do. Like maybe perform a Covid antibody test right before giving the first jab. Then if they have antibodies, cancel the appointment for the second jab. I also hear people saying it is stupid to get the vax when you have Covid, but is anyone doing a rapid Covid test before giving the jab? Considering how common it is for people of all ages to have mild or no symptoms with Covid, it would seem logical to do this, unless there is some information I am missing. No. That would slow the process down. (And the antibody test is pretty involved) They are asking if you have had COVID -- so relying on if you know. I believe the idea is, (for adults) if your infection was so mild you didn't even realize you were sick, then you need the vaccination anyway. Edited February 23, 2021 by vonfirmath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennyD Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, SKL said: If it's advisable to get only 1 shot after you've had actual Covid, is anyone testing people to see if they've had Covid before administering the shot? Seems that is something they should do. Like maybe perform a Covid antibody test right before giving the first jab. Then if they have antibodies, cancel the appointment for the second jab. That is exactly what was being recommended by an infectious disease doc on this podcast (which is worth listening to, btw) -- give everyone a first shot, then run a quick antibody test during the 15 minute wait. If it comes back positive you're done, no need for a second appointment. According to him, at least, the technology exists to do this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy the Valiant Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, vonfirmath said: No. That would slow the process down. (And the antibody test is pretty involved) They are asking if you have had COVID -- so relying on if you know. I believe the idea is, (for adults) if your infection was so mild you didn't even realize you were sick, then you need the vaccination anyway. The science is changing on this, though - experts were initially advising covid recovered people to still get both shots, but recently changed to advising only 1. Our friend is both a health care researcher and a convalescent plasma donor who still has antibodies 7 months later, and kinda suspects the advice will change again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Pfizer and Moderna pledge a massive vaccine surge - The Washington Post Vaccine makers Pfizer and Moderna pledge massive boost to U.S. supply after sluggish rollout Drug companies told lawmakers Tuesday that they project a major increase in vaccine deliveries that will result in 140 million more doses over the next five weeks, saying they have solved manufacturing challenges and are in a position to overcome scarcity that has hampered the nation’s fight against the coronavirus. “Because of the dire need to vaccinate more people, we have ramped up production of doses,” John Young, Pfizer’s chief business officer, told the House Energy and Commerce oversight and investigations subcommittee in prepared testimony. But achieving a surge on that scale remains daunting. Pfizer and Moderna, the companies with the only authorized vaccines so far, will need to increase their combined deliveries to date of 75 million doses to reach their promised target of 220 million shots by March 31. That’s a goal of 28 million doses each week on average, far greater than their performance so far. The Biden administration said last week that doses allotted to states would grow from 11 million to 13.5 million per week, and it also directed 2 million doses to pharmacies, part of allocations that are expected to increase modestly again this week. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Meanwhile CA variant might complicate things. https://www.yahoo.com/news/californias-coronavirus-strain-looks-increasingly-130055544.html 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 hours ago, JennyD said: That is exactly what was being recommended by an infectious disease doc on this podcast (which is worth listening to, btw) -- give everyone a first shot, then run a quick antibody test during the 15 minute wait. If it comes back positive you're done, no need for a second appointment. According to him, at least, the technology exists to do this. One of the advantages of using vaccines that specifically target the spike protein is that you can distinguish an immune reaction to the vaccine from an immune reaction to the actual virus, by testing for a different protein (N protein) that the body produces in response to viral infection. This is also one of the ways researchers are looking to measure post-vaccine transmission rates, by testing pre- and post-vaccine blood samples for the presence of the N protein. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnerd Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Roadrunner said: Meanwhile CA variant might complicate things. https://www.yahoo.com/news/californias-coronavirus-strain-looks-increasingly-130055544.html I never knew! I have been so busy reading about the South African variant and how ineffectual the vaccines are against it that I had not been paying any attention to this one. I am getting the feeling that this variant is all over the country by now if it is so entrenched in CA. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terabith Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, mathnerd said: I never knew! I have been so busy reading about the South African variant and how ineffectual the vaccines are against it that I had not been paying any attention to this one. I am getting the feeling that this variant is all over the country by now if it is so entrenched in CA. Well, given the way it spread like wildfire through California and that rates in the rest of the country are going down, I suspect it is NOT in fact spread through the rest of the country yet. But I think it's inevitable that it will. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 hours ago, mommyoffive said: Pfizer and Moderna pledge a massive vaccine surge - The Washington Post Vaccine makers Pfizer and Moderna pledge massive boost to U.S. supply after sluggish rollout Drug companies told lawmakers Tuesday that they project a major increase in vaccine deliveries that will result in 140 million more doses over the next five weeks, saying they have solved manufacturing challenges and are in a position to overcome scarcity that has hampered the nation’s fight against the coronavirus. “Because of the dire need to vaccinate more people, we have ramped up production of doses,” John Young, Pfizer’s chief business officer, told the House Energy and Commerce oversight and investigations subcommittee in prepared testimony. But achieving a surge on that scale remains daunting. Pfizer and Moderna, the companies with the only authorized vaccines so far, will need to increase their combined deliveries to date of 75 million doses to reach their promised target of 220 million shots by March 31. That’s a goal of 28 million doses each week on average, far greater than their performance so far. The Biden administration said last week that doses allotted to states would grow from 11 million to 13.5 million per week, and it also directed 2 million doses to pharmacies, part of allocations that are expected to increase modestly again this week. One of the bottlenecks in vaccine production was actually a shortage of vials and syringes. Vaccine manufacturers overfill their vials in case of spillage or waste, so many healthcare providers were finding that they could often get 6 doses out of a Pfizer vial, even though the vial only "officially" contained 5. But in order to get 6 doses they needed a special syringe, and those were also in short supply. The current administration invoked the DPA to increase the supply of both vials and the special syringes, and they are now guaranteeing that the correct syringes will be shipped with vaccine vials. So now Pfizer is allowed to count each vial as 6 doses, and that is actually part of where the "increased supply" comes from — the ability to get more doses out of each vial. Moderna uses larger vials, which I think officially include 10 doses, but may have another dose or two that can be extracted with the correct syringes. They don't fill their vials completely, though, and they have asked the FDA for permission to put 15 doses in each vial, saying that this could greatly speed up vaccine delivery. There are some concerns though about whether puncturing the seal that many times could cause issues as well as whether having that many doses in one vial may lead to more waste by increasing the number of "leftover" doses. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 FDA Says Johnson & Johnson's Covid Vaccine Has a 'Favorable Safety Profile' (msn.com) The U.S. Food and Drug Administration found that a Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine was 66.1% effective in preventing moderate to severe virus disease, and that it had a “favorable safety profile.” Health authorities expect the initial supply of the J&J vaccine will help ease, though not eliminate, the frustration felt by people unable to sign up for shots because there aren’t enough doses available. J&J has said it would deliver about 20 million doses for U.S. use by the end of March, which may be enough to boost the countrywide capacity for completed vaccinations by about 20%. In the U.S. alone, the vaccine was 72% effective, J&J said. The shot wasn’t as effective in South Africa alone, where a new and more transmissible variant of the virus has emerged. There, the vaccine was 57% effective. Those companies’ trial results, however, occurred largely before new variants are known to have emerged. J&J has said it expects to ship 100 million doses throughout the U.S. by late June and to supply more than one billion doses world-wide during 2021. Pfizer and Moderna have committed to supplying enough doses by the end of July to vaccinate 300 million people in the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 51 minutes ago, mommyoffive said: FDA Says Johnson & Johnson's Covid Vaccine Has a 'Favorable Safety Profile' (msn.com) The U.S. Food and Drug Administration found that a Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine was 66.1% effective in preventing moderate to severe virus disease, and that it had a “favorable safety profile.” Health authorities expect the initial supply of the J&J vaccine will help ease, though not eliminate, the frustration felt by people unable to sign up for shots because there aren’t enough doses available. J&J has said it would deliver about 20 million doses for U.S. use by the end of March, which may be enough to boost the countrywide capacity for completed vaccinations by about 20%. In the U.S. alone, the vaccine was 72% effective, J&J said. The shot wasn’t as effective in South Africa alone, where a new and more transmissible variant of the virus has emerged. There, the vaccine was 57% effective. Those companies’ trial results, however, occurred largely before new variants are known to have emerged. J&J has said it expects to ship 100 million doses throughout the U.S. by late June and to supply more than one billion doses world-wide during 2021. Pfizer and Moderna have committed to supplying enough doses by the end of July to vaccinate 300 million people in the U.S. I saw that. i personally would decline this vaccine. Hopefully younger and healthier people wouldn’t mind it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Roadrunner said: I saw that. i personally would decline this vaccine. Hopefully younger and healthier people wouldn’t mind it. I wonder how things will work with that? Do they tell you when you get to the appointment which one you are getting? Would they tell you before hand? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that's comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine (msn.com) Among a group of hundreds of thousands of Americans who tested positive for a SARS-CoV-2 infection, the risk of developing a subsequent infection more than three months later was about 90% lower than for people who had not been previously infected and therefore had no immunity to the virus, according to researchers from the National Cancer Institute. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, mommyoffive said: I wonder how things will work with that? Do they tell you when you get to the appointment which one you are getting? Would they tell you before hand? I don’t know. 😞 I will ask though. This simply isn’t enough protection. I know it’s better than nothing, it i would rather wait for a better vaccine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, kand said: I don’t feel thrilled about it either, but I did feel a little better when I looked at the 28 day data. It’s quite a bit better than the 14 day data. I’m thinking it should be used for younger people with no comorbidities. They did have two people in the vaccine arm hospitalized for Covid, both of which had hypertension and obesity. Hopefully when they approve it, they won’t approve it for people with certain medical conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktgrok Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 21 hours ago, Terabith said: Well, given the way it spread like wildfire through California and that rates in the rest of the country are going down, I suspect it is NOT in fact spread through the rest of the country yet. But I think it's inevitable that it will. And this is what is SO infuriating about people traveling for vacations,parties, etc around the country. By say, going on a trip to disneyland you risk bringing home a variant from there to your own hometown. Then someone visits your hometown for a family reunion or wedding, and they spread it to their hometown, etc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 4 hours ago, mommyoffive said: FDA Says Johnson & Johnson's Covid Vaccine Has a 'Favorable Safety Profile' (msn.com) The U.S. Food and Drug Administration found that a Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine was 66.1% effective in preventing moderate to severe virus disease, and that it had a “favorable safety profile.” This is the part that bothers me. That is not how all the other vaccines report efficacy. I want to see their data and know how many people in the vaccine arm had mild illnesses, since even mild illness can lead to long-term complications. And since most covid cases are mild, J&J's efficacy rate could be significantly lower than what they are reporting. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 The rollout has started here. In the first week one doctor accidentally administered 4x the recommended dose to two patients which was picked up by the nurse practitioner. Neither of them are suffering any extra side effects thankfully but it’s probably the last thing we need as public trust in the vaccine program is already quite low. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfknitter.# Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 6 hours ago, mommyoffive said: I wonder how things will work with that? Do they tell you when you get to the appointment which one you are getting? Would they tell you before hand? 4 hours ago, Roadrunner said: I don’t know. 😞 I will ask though. This simply isn’t enough protection. I know it’s better than nothing, it i would rather wait for a better vaccine. In a press release from a county supersite by me, it stated that you are not given a choice (at least at that time, which about 2-3 weeks ago). I believe you are told after receiving it so that you are scheduled for the next in the series from that brand. They were using both Moderna and Pfizer and were eagerly looking to add the J&J vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Elfknitter.# said: In a press release from a county supersite by me, it stated that you are not given a choice (at least at that time, which about 2-3 weeks ago). I believe you are told after receiving it so that you are scheduled for the next in the series from that brand. They were using both Moderna and Pfizer and were eagerly looking to add the J&J vaccine. Are you telling me if I show up they won’t tell me which one they are injecting me with? Well then I will decline until it’s commercially available. That’s crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybee Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 When I went on to make an appointment, most of the places listed the vaccine name. I mean, they need that name for the second vaccines. Does anybody know if, when a person who has had covid (diagnosed by testing + symptoms) goes to get a vaccine, are they told there is no need for a second one? I read that only one is needed here and elsewhere, but was wondering if that has become the practice everywhere? (Not asking for me, but for a friend.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfknitter.# Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Roadrunner said: Are you telling me if I show up they won’t tell me which one they are injecting me with? Well then I will decline until it’s commercially available. That’s crazy. I can only vouch for this particular site. As of 2 weeks ago, this is what they wrote: Quote Depending on when you’re vaccinated, you could get the J&J vaccine, or Pfizer or Moderna. With limited supplies, you won’t be able to pick which one you get. (Bolding is theirs.) Based on that, if I had a preference, I'd wait to see my doctor's office or talk to a pharmacy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) Fingers crossed. I'm in line an hour away at a mass vaccine eventwith my son as they had extra and see giving them to anyone 16 and up. Edited February 24, 2021 by Soror 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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