Moderna announcement

[Katy]

Tonight’s news said Moderna announced there would be enough vaccine for everyone who wants one to have one by June. And that their vaccine prevents 100% of severe complications. 
 

I cried. 

[Guest]

Wow! That’s an awesome announcement! 

[Not_a_Number]

17 minutes ago, Katy said:

Tonight’s news said Moderna announced there would be enough vaccine for everyone who wants one to have one by June. And that their vaccine prevents 100% of severe complications. 
 

I cried. 

Wow. That's amazing. 

[Not_a_Number]

I have to say, the vaccine announcements are a real bright spot in this lousy, stinking year. Great efficacy for more than one vaccine! The vaccine can be rolled out soon! I didn't expect this much. 

[Elizabeth86]

Thank God! My parents will be in line for it ASAP. I miss them so much. Now how to get the some people in my life to understand that they won't be guinea pigs for this vaccine. The actual people getting it tested on them are the guinea pigs.  

[Elizabeth86]

2 minutes ago, Elizabeth86 said:

Thank God! My parents will be in line for it ASAP. I miss them so much. Now how to get the some people in my life to understand that they won't be guinea pigs for this vaccine. The actual people getting it tested on them are the guinea pigs.  

I can't find it now, but didn't I read they may be available as early as Dec 21?

[ktgrok]

I'm so so so grateful to all the scientists and lab workers who have toiled over these vaccines. So grateful. 

And if the other vaccine companies are also rolling out their versions, does that mean everyone who wants a covid vaccine might get them even sooner?

[Not_a_Number]

4 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

I'm so so so grateful to all the scientists and lab workers who have toiled over these vaccines. So grateful. 

And if the other vaccine companies are also rolling out their versions, does that mean everyone who wants a covid vaccine might get them even sooner?

Yeah, Pfizer is even further ahead, I believe! 

[Elizabeth86]

6 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

I'm so so so grateful to all the scientists and lab workers who have toiled over these vaccines. So grateful. 

And if the other vaccine companies are also rolling out their versions, does that mean everyone who wants a covid vaccine might get them even sooner?

I know. I am so thankful. Also a big thank you to all the people that signed up for testing. How selfless.

[mom2scouts]

1 minute ago, Not_a_Number said:

Yeah, Pfizer is even further ahead, I believe! 

Yes, it's expected to be available in a few weeks to health care workers. I talked to DS this weekend. He said he had no symptoms at all, so doesn't know if he got the placebo or the vaccine, but he hasn't had Covid either. He said they don't want to say yet because they're still collecting data as long as possible and he's still having blood draws. If he needs any medical care, he has a card with his patient trial number and doctors can call and find out if he got the vaccine or not. If he got the placebo, they'll need to let him know at some point so he can get the vaccine.

I think different vaccines are going to be available in different places. The Pfizer vaccine needs to be kept frozen, so it might be more likely to be used in hospitals that have that capabiltiy. Other vaccines seem more stable for use in pharmacies. I wonder if people will get any say in which vaccine they take.

[Not_a_Number]

24 minutes ago, Elizabeth86 said:

Thank God! My parents will be in line for it ASAP. I miss them so much. Now how to get the some people in my life to understand that they won't be guinea pigs for this vaccine. The actual people getting it tested on them are the guinea pigs.  

I'd go with the "you can be a guinea pig for the vaccine or a guinea pig for the virus" angle 😉 . 

[catz]

I’m super excited about the news coming out on this.  I’m much more excited about being a guinea pig for a vaccine that looks safe than for getting Covid with my family history.  
 

Facebook just did an hour interview with Dr Fauci.  They talked quite a bit about vaccines and vaccine development, safety, etc.   I will try to link ...

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=3516344615123451&ref=watch_permalink

[Elizabeth86]

5 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

I'd go with the "you can be a guinea pig for the vaccine or a guinea pig for the virus" angle 😉 . 

Yeah, they don't give 2 cares about the virus. I've never felt so much division between what I believe and what my loved ones believe. 

[Katy]

28 minutes ago, Elizabeth86 said:

I can't find it now, but didn't I read they may be available as early as Dec 21?

Yes, that’s what I saw too. 

[Elizabeth86]

4 minutes ago, Katy said:

Yes, that’s what I saw too. 

I mean, what else could we hope for Christmas. I'm so excited heading in a direction of normalcy. 

[Not_a_Number]

7 minutes ago, Elizabeth86 said:

Yeah, they don't give 2 cares about the virus. I've never felt so much division between what I believe and what my loved ones believe. 

Ugh. Yeah, I got nothing for you. Sorry 😞 

[Not_a_Number]

9 minutes ago, FuzzyCatz said:

I’m super excited about the news coming out on this.  I’m much more excited about being a guinea pig for a vaccine that looks safe than for getting Covid with my family history.  
 

Facebook just did an hour interview with Dr Fauci.  They talked quite a bit about vaccines and vaccine development, safety, etc.   I will try to link ...

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=3516344615123451&ref=watch_permalink

Watching this now, thanks!! 

[Ottakee]

I am carefully following my medical friends.  Some will be getting a vaccine in 3 weeks, others are still researching which one to get, when, etc.

Some are opting to wait a few months to get it.

[JennyD]

The Daily podcast had a very good episode about vaccine distribution this morning.  It is incredibly exciting. 

Every expert I've read or listened to says that the next 6-8 weeks are going to be really, really bad.  But things should start to get better in February, and then by late spring/summer things hopefully things will be dramatically better.

I am concerned, however, that so far only Pfizer is testing on kids, and only down to age 12.  I don't see how we get back to anything close to 'normal' until either kids are vaccinated or we have such widespread adult immunization that kids can benefit from herd immunity.  

Edited December 1, 2020 by JennyD

[Not_a_Number]

8 minutes ago, JennyD said:

I am concerned, however, that so far only Pfizer is testing on kids, and only down to age 12.  I don't see how we get back to anything close to 'normal' until either kids are vaccinated or we have such widespread adult immunization that kids can benefit from herd immunity.  

Yeah, that's our worry as well. I don't think we'll be traveling or doing things normally until the kids are vaccinated. But the adults being vaccinated should drive rates down, right? And it'll be summer, too... so hopefully one will feel OK socializing somewhat. 

[Ausmumof3]

16 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

Yeah, that's our worry as well. I don't think we'll be traveling or doing things normally until the kids are vaccinated. But the adults being vaccinated should drive rates down, right? And it'll be summer, too... so hopefully one will feel OK socializing somewhat. 

Depends whether they prevent infection or only disease and we still don’t have data on that.

[Elizabeth86]

35 minutes ago, JennyD said:

The Daily podcast had a very good episode about vaccine distribution this morning.  It is incredibly exciting. 

Every expert I've read or listened to says that the next 6-8 weeks are going to be really, really bad.  But things should start to get better in February, and then by late spring/summer things hopefully things will be dramatically better.

I am concerned, however, that so far only Pfizer is testing on kids, and only down to age 12.  I don't see how we get back to anything close to 'normal' until either kids are vaccinated or we have such widespread adult immunization that kids can benefit from herd immunity.  

I've been wondering about kids too. Even if we aren't there yet, it's heading in a good direction and that's encouraging enough for me. 

[Not_a_Number]

19 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Depends whether they prevent infection or only disease and we still don’t have data on that.

Yeah, but even if they aren't 95% effective at preventing infection, I expect they do prevent infection. It would be very surprising if they didn't. Anyway, I'd be surprised if they didn't drive rates down. 

[mathnerd]

1 hour ago, Elizabeth86 said:

I can't find it now, but didn't I read they may be available as early as Dec 21?

The Dec 21 date was for emergency responders, medical staff dealing with covid. Then, the next set of vaccine would be administered to people living in long term care facilities etc. There was a rollout schedule with it being widely available in June. My husband's employer already got this notification 1 month ago and have advised all the employees to anticipate coming into work by June.

[Corraleno]

1 hour ago, Elizabeth86 said:

I can't find it now, but didn't I read they may be available as early as Dec 21?

Pfizer's could be available as soon as Dec. 11th — the FDA meets to discuss the EUA on the 10th, and Pfizer says they have around 6 million doses ready to be shipped immediately as soon as they get approval. Moderna and Pfizer have each said they will have 20 million doses available by the end of December, and UPS has partnered with a refrigeration company to produce ultra-cold freezers and has ramped up production of dry ice to 1200 lbs/hr. to expedite transport. 

[Tap]

I am happy to hear the vaccine is ready to go, but wonder about logistics to actually vaccinate everyone, not just once but twice! 

[mathnerd]

Here is California's vaccine rollout plan (NY and many other states have very similar approaches):

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/us/covid-vaccine-ca.html

 

[mommyoffive]

Such amazing news.  I am so thankful for everyone who had a part of working on the vaccines.  And people who signed up for the trials.  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.   We are so close to life being somewhat closer to normal.  I can't wait.   

It does worry me about the kids.  But I am choosing to focus on the positive of it.  I am hoping that the next 7 months they will be figuring out what to do for the kids.  

[BeachGal]

10 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

Pfizer's could be available as soon as Dec. 11th — the FDA meets to discuss the EUA on the 10th, and Pfizer says they have around 6 million doses ready to be shipped immediately as soon as they get approval. Moderna and Pfizer have each said they will have 20 million doses available by the end of December, and UPS has partnered with a refrigeration company to produce ultra-cold freezers and has ramped up production of dry ice to 1200 lbs/hr. to expedite transport. 

Pfizer’s vaccines are already prepositioned at distribution sites. If approved (likely), they will begin moving the vaccines to administration sites where the first of two doses will be given soon after approval.

They have also been practicing their rollout, even making YouTube videos:

https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/first-pfizer-doses-from-belgium-touch-down-at-o-hare-international-report

The drugmaker has also been running “dry rehearsals” of its rollout scheme at more than 50 distribution sites across the U.S. The dry runs include taking the sites through the process of receiving the vaccines, opening them and administering them; plus, Pfizer has even created YouTube videos for staffers to consult during the process.

The process is “very, very doable,” Operation Warp Speed's Gen. Gustave Perna said last week. Perna added that the rehearsals had boosted confidence among administration sites.

Pfizer and BioNTech recently filed their shot for emergency use authorization in the U.S. after late-phase data showed the vaccine was 95% effective in phase 3. The mRNA-based vaccine is set to go before the FDA's independent vaccines advisory committee and the Centers for Disease Control's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) on Dec. 10, Warp Speed chief Moncef Slaoui said last week. Those reviews will take place "in parallel" so that the CDC can almost immediately defer to ACIP on how to distribute and allocate authorized doses, Slaoui said. 

Meanwhile, the government aims to start shipping doses to distributors within 24 hours of a positive decision, with vaccinations slated to take place as quickly as 48 hours after an authorization, Slaoui said.

*****

Moderna is looking good, too. RNA vaccines are supposedly not easy to make so 🙌🏽 to those who worked on solving that.

Novavax is rumored to be pretty impressive as well, but we’ll have to wait to hear more.

[SeaConquest]

I am not sure how quickly people should expect things to return to normal:

https://www.facebook.com/wes.smith.773/posts/10223943610034865

[Not_a_Number]

Just now, SeaConquest said:

I am not sure how quickly people should expect things to return to normal:

https://www.facebook.com/wes.smith.773/posts/10223943610034865

I don't expect things to be NORMAL until my kids are vaccinated, so don't worry, I'm not thinking it'll be soon... 

... but I do hope we'll see improvements soon. 

[Elizabeth86]

7 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

I don't expect things to be NORMAL until my kids are vaccinated, so don't worry, I'm not thinking it'll be soon... 

... but I do hope we'll see improvements soon. 

Same here. I know it will be a while,but now there is a CHANCE this nasty virus won't kill my parents and my kids may get to see them again someday.  I know it will be a while, but I'm so happy we actually have a vaccine coming soon!

[mathnerd]

30 minutes ago, Elizabeth86 said:

Same here. I know it will be a while,but now there is a CHANCE this nasty virus won't kill my parents and my kids may get to see them again someday.  I know it will be a while, but I'm so happy we actually have a vaccine coming soon!

I am on the same boat as well. In my estimation, it will take another full year for the situation to stabilize around the globe and we desperately need that in order for CV19 to stop jumping to one place from another. Maybe we can all hope that there is a chance of eradicating CV19 if the entire population is vaccinated (or enough for herd immunity). Potentially, we need 12-14 billion doses of this vaccine (that number alone is mind boggling) and during the time it takes to become effective in building immunity, people will be dying in alarming numbers. But, now that we have the vaccine and hopefully an approved treatment soon, we can bring this virus down and it has become a waiting game rather than a guessing game which is what makes me happy.

Edited December 1, 2020 by mathnerd

[mathnerd]

nm. DP.

Edited December 1, 2020 by mathnerd

[BeachGal]

1 hour ago, SeaConquest said:

I am not sure how quickly people should expect things to return to normal:

https://www.facebook.com/wes.smith.773/posts/10223943610034865

True, it wont be as fast as we’d like (we all wanted this “yesterday” 🙂 ) but less than a year ago, some scientists were saying we could never make a vaccine for this — and here we are! So, moving in the right direction. It’ll take some time for sure but will be interesting to watch as it happens.

If we can roll out a quick, cheap test and treatments, that would help, too. Crossing fingers!

[easypeasy]

7 hours ago, Katy said:

Tonight’s news said Moderna announced there would be enough vaccine for everyone who wants one to have one by June. And that their vaccine prevents 100% of severe complications. 
 

I cried. 

I AM SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!! There is finally a true glimmer of light at the end of this eternally long tunnel!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have kids to worry about (all mine are "adults" now) - so I expect my parents and at least four of us will be getting this vaccine as soon as we can possibly do it. DH is still on the fence (which, normally, I would be too - but I think Covid would be a really rough go for me, so I'll chance it on the vaccine).

My DD actually said that even if this vaccine caused longterm sterility or something, she'd still take it as soon as they offer it if it means she can travel again and live a "normalish" life. That made me gasp a little on the inside - but it was enlightening to see how strongly these kids - even those like my DD who are outwardly "handling everything okay" - have been affected by Covid. 😞

[easypeasy]

I'm so excited that I'm posting twice in a row to celebrate!! 🎉🍾🎆☀️💉

[ktgrok]

My sister is a bit over optimistic - was sending vacation rental ads for end of may, start of june, for all our families to go stay together. Had to remind her that ordinary people like me are last in line, and then it takes another 6 weeks to fully go into effect..so summer plans may be premature. Once my parents are vaccinated  and it kicks in I'll feel safer about visiting, still stay outside other than bathroom, but I won't feel safe staying in the same vacation rental with them until we all are vaccinated/immune. 

[sassenach]

10 hours ago, SeaConquest said:

I am not sure how quickly people should expect things to return to normal:

https://www.facebook.com/wes.smith.773/posts/10223943610034865

I do think that once the skilled nursing facilities roll this out, our numbers are going to look drastically different and the whole temperature on this is going to change. Those who have been the most concerned and cautious will be more willing to get the vaccine, which will be a serious quality of life improvement for them, and I think the return to new normal will be pretty rapid. If we even get to 75% of what life used to look like by the summer, I will dance in the streets. 

Ds is my highest risk person and I absolutely know I will cry when he gets his dose. I can't wait.

[Not_a_Number]

3 minutes ago, sassenach said:

I do think that once the skilled nursing facilities roll this out, our numbers are going to look drastically different and the whole temperature on this is going to change. Those who have been the most concerned and cautious will be more willing to get the vaccine, which will be a serious quality of life improvement for them, and I think the return to new normal will be pretty rapid. If we even get to 75% of what life used to look like by the summer, I will dance in the streets. 

Ds is my highest risk person and I absolutely know I will cry when he gets his dose. I can't wait.

I am excited about the nursing facilities getting vaccinated but I doubt it’ll be a game changer with the numbers...

[sassenach]

1 hour ago, Not_a_Number said:

I am excited about the nursing facilities getting vaccinated but I doubt it’ll be a game changer with the numbers...

85% of my county's deaths are from facilities. It'll definitely change the numbers.

[Not_a_Number]

28 minutes ago, sassenach said:

85% of my county's deaths are from facilities. It'll definitely change the numbers.

That generally just means you don’t have lots of community spread. The numbers aren’t nearly as skewed if you look at the entire country, and I’d guess they’ll get even further away from that.

Edited December 1, 2020 by Not_a_Number

[sassenach]

23 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

That generally just means you don’t have lots of community spread. The numbers aren’t nearly as skewed if you look at the entire country, and I’d guess they’ll get even further away from that.

I've seen a variety of numbers about the percentage of deaths that come from nursing homes but most of them seem to float around 40%. That's a big number. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about how the reduction of that 40% will impact the country's operations and reactions to Covid.

(and BTW I'm in the Bay Area, which has obviously battled its fair share of community spread)

[Drama Llama]

Fauci has reportedly said that he doesn’t think that we be ready for full stadiums for the NBA finals in July 2021 but that chances are good that the NFL will be ready for full stadiums in September.  

I care much more about full classrooms that full stadiums so to me that sounds really promising.  

[1234]

I just hope college students are able to get it by next fall. This has been especially rough for my youngest, a college freshman, this year. I really hope she can be on campus and involved. Oldest will be a college senior next fall and I really hope he can finish on campus as well. I’m hopeful! 

[Not_a_Number]

8 hours ago, sassenach said:

I've seen a variety of numbers about the percentage of deaths that come from nursing homes but most of them seem to float around 40%. That's a big number. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about how the reduction of that 40% will impact the country's operations and reactions to Covid.

(and BTW I'm in the Bay Area, which has obviously battled its fair share of community spread)

I think the Bay Area has actually traded economic pain for fairly limited community spread. We have a LOT of friends there, and we lived there while I was in grad school, so we've been paying attention to your statistics 🙂 . 

But I don't think we'll get to see what happens with the reduction of that 40%, because I think there'll be a thankfully steeper drop 🙂 . It's not like we'll vaccinate in the nursing homes and then stop! It'll really help to vaccinate other vulnerable people and also possibly potential superspreaders. And it'll be amazing to have all the healthcare workers vaccinated! I'm really excited about the whole thing. 

[mommyoffive]

22 minutes ago, BaseballandHockey said:

Fauci has reportedly said that he doesn’t think that we be ready for full stadiums for the NBA finals in July 2021 but that chances are good that the NFL will be ready for full stadiums in September.  

I care much more about full classrooms that full stadiums so to me that sounds really promising.  

I hadn't heard him say that.  Did he say anything about kids?  With them only having studies with the vaccine on kids 12 and up, how do they see that?  Just curious.   What the thoughts are on kids younger than 12 right now from the experts

[Drama Llama]

14 minutes ago, mommyoffive said:

I hadn't heard him say that.  Did he say anything about kids?  With them only having studies with the vaccine on kids 12 and up, how do they see that?  Just curious.   What the thoughts are on kids younger than 12 right now from the experts

So I read it on some football site when I was trying to figure out why the Ravens game my kids wanted to watch keeps moving.  (Ravens apparently have covid). So it’s possible that he said all sorts of other things but the football site did not report them.  

 

[Ausmumof3]

It looks like in Aus we are looking at around March.  We are looking for a full approval not emergency use authorisation though. 

[KungFuPanda]

On 11/30/2020 at 7:40 PM, mom2scouts said:

Yes, it's expected to be available in a few weeks to health care workers. I talked to DS this weekend. He said he had no symptoms at all, so doesn't know if he got the placebo or the vaccine, but he hasn't had Covid either. He said they don't want to say yet because they're still collecting data as long as possible and he's still having blood draws. If he needs any medical care, he has a card with his patient trial number and doctors can call and find out if he got the vaccine or not. If he got the placebo, they'll need to let him know at some point so he can get the vaccine.

I think different vaccines are going to be available in different places. The Pfizer vaccine needs to be kept frozen, so it might be more likely to be used in hospitals that have that capabiltiy. Other vaccines seem more stable for use in pharmacies. I wonder if people will get any say in which vaccine they take.

When I call my Walgreens, their machine has been saying for weeks that they will distribute the Pfizer vaccine when it's available.