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7 hours ago, MercyA said:

Meh? With over 205,000 Americans dead?

Dipping my toe in here.  I don’t think she is dismissing the deaths at all, but just keeping a perspective. As Trump has said from day one, even one death is too many.  But maybe looking at the original estimates of 2.2 million deaths by August I think (?) of Covid, then 205,000 deaths, with many people experiencing mild symptoms and hospitalizations overall going down, is much better than predicted.  So she may be choosing to be optimistic about her recovery.

 

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When this broke, the only person I could think of was Barron Trump. I am the mother of a tall, gangly 13 year old who towers over me  and tries to be brave and grown up in front of the world, but

I believe it is that when you refer to your own calm attitude, and "meh" expressions as "not freaking out beyond reason" it seems to imply that those who react differently than you, and are less calm

Am I the only one for whom you guys aren't just "anonymous people on a message board?"   I mean, at this point, some of you are among people I've "known" longer than anyone else in my life.  I mean, y

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5 minutes ago, Laurie said:

It takes a lot of coordination for the President and all his accompanying staff and vehicles to go anywhere.   Since there's a presidential suite with offices, etc. at Walter Reed there's no reason not to use it while waiting to see whether he becomes very sick or not. 

They didn't rush the President to Walter Reed.  The helicopter sat outside the White House for a long time before the President boarded and it took off.  Then when he arrived there were a lot of vehicles and people to transport him to the hospital entrance.  I told my son that the helicopter probably had to wait for all those vehicles to drive to the hospital before the President could leave on the short flight.   

 I'm guessing that it's logistics as well as being right there with the best doctors and nurses.

When you say there is "no reason" for the president not to use his suite at Walter Reed, it presupposes that "reason" drives the decision making of this White House.

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42 minutes ago, Rosie_0801 said:

 

Is there? I'm a moderator and I don't know who counts in this popular clique. 

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I've already asked you all to stop with the interpersonal stuff. I don't want to have to lock the thread.

Yeah, there is and I'm clearly not the only one who's noticed.

My apologies; I missed your comment earlier in the thread.

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4 minutes ago, Heartwood said:

I wasn’t trying to understand you, only give my opinion about the word meh, comment on an attitude that we’re apparently not suppose to be addressing in this thread, and talk about the original post. 

 

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1 hour ago, ktgrok said:

It's not about being right or wrong. It's about hearing that you hurt someone, and then deciding how to go forward from there. Once you know something is hurtful, most people will try to change their wording so they don't hurt someone again, right?

To what extent? Again, remember, we are dealing with feelings, which are subjective and personal.

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1 hour ago, Frances said:

I think who we elect as our highest leader and cheer on and support with money and votes and how that person talks (and tweets) about and treats others speaks volumes about who we are as a society. How we respond when our leader dismisses scientific information and purposely sows misinformation, resulting in the illness and death of many of our fellow citizens also speaks volumes about who we are as a society. Not condemning evil is supporting it.

I wish it didn’t take someone getting the virus to take it seriously and follow the advice of public health and medical experts and encourage others to do the same, especially when they have such enormous power and influence. Unfortunately, it hasn’t worked to date. But if a mild case with no long term health effects (and certainly not death) can save some innocent lives, I’ll take it, given how many have already been lost and how many more will likely have long term negative health effects.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/evanega-et-al-coronavirus-misinformation-submitted-07-23-20-1/080839ac0c22bca8/full.pdf

I agree and disagree. Yes, who we elect to the highest office speaks volumes about who we are as a society.

I think what any of them say means very VERY little. I think what they do matters 100% more. And that's what I judge them on. Their actions. Not speeches and tweets.

 

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Just now, SereneHome said:

I think what they do matters 100% more. And that's what I judge them on. Their actions. Not speeches and tweets.

 

 

This tends to be true for me too. 

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44 minutes ago, matrips said:

Dipping my toe in here.  I don’t think she is dismissing the deaths at all, but just keeping a perspective. As Trump has said from day one, even one death is too many.  But maybe looking at the original estimates of 2.2 million deaths by August I think (?) of Covid, then 205,000 deaths, with many people experiencing mild symptoms and hospitalizations overall going down, is much better than predicted.  So she may be choosing to be optimistic about her recovery.

"Meh" is quite often used in a way that is intentionally dismissive, snarky, and sarcastic--no matter *who* chooses to use it.  And I'd be shocked if Bagels did not know that. 

I am weary of people not taking this virus seriously. Almost everyone in my circles definitely has a "meh" attitude about the whole thing. And that attitude--especially on part of people in authority--is quite literally killing people. 

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Don’t know if anyone posted about the Regeneron antibody cocktail that President Trump got today. I looked up what is. 

Regeneron's cocktail includes lab engineered antibodies- one a monoclonal antibody that targets the spike protein and another antibody that targets a different part of the SARS2 coronavirus.  It was not clear to me what second part.  I assume that the second target could be the envelope or nucleocapsid or some other part.  

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Meh = shrug to me. I use it frequently.

I don’t usually change my words to suit emotion.  However I will consider explaining, adjusting, and discussing them.

For example, I had a discussion about Thomist philosophy during coffee yesterday than completely changed my view of the using the phrase “all laws are backed by violence”.  And getting into the details of what big government is with someone who claims to want to vote DT for smaller government gave them serious pause to reconsider their POV (or so they said more than a bit shocked to themselves  LOL)

All that aside for the actual topic. 
 

Who the heck can figure what is going on with DT? No one. There’s a dozen possible means and ends to the ways of his cray cray. Which is exactly why more people feel uncertain about the future now than they did 4 years ago.

 

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Just now, Ausmumof3 said:

Must be a full moon tonight 

 

Idk the intention, and I think the illness of leaders be they Boris Johnson or Donald Trump is quite serious, but I read that and cracked up laughing.  

I had a personal life sad thing today, so thank you! a real out loud laugh was excellent!!!!  Better than chocolate!

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2 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

Actually, I haven't found that, really. It has a bunch of groups of broadly aligned people, and even those people are usually only aligned along some axes. 

Right? Someone need only put up a thread about abortion or hormonal birth control, and you'll quickly see how popular my views are. 😉 I'm willing to bet I'm farther to the right on that issue than even @EmseB and @Bagels McGruffikin

I think we call each other out when we are not logical, or not sensitive, or not well-informed. I've been called out many a time and others have too. That is one of the many beautiful things about this board. We challenge each other. "Iron sharpens iron."

I really and truly haven't seen much true nastiness here lately. Maybe I'm missing it, but I remember the old days and there were a couple of posters who would literally make me cry, once in a while! Things seem infinitely more civil now.

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Just now, MercyA said:

Right? Someone need only put up a thread about abortion or hormonal birth control, and you'll quickly see how popular my views are. 😉 I'm willing to bet I'm farther to the right on that issue than even @EmseB and @Bagels McGruffikin

I think we call each other out when we are not logical, or not sensitive, or not well-informed. I've been called out many a time and others have too. That is one of the many beautiful things about this board. We challenge each other. "Iron sharpens iron."

I really and truly haven't seen much true nastiness here lately. Maybe I'm missing it, but I remember the old days and there a couple of posters who would literally make me cry, once in a while! Things seem infinitely more civil now.

Agree. 

I think sometimes people mistake discussion for nasty 

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1 minute ago, MercyA said:

I really and truly haven't seen much true nastiness here lately. Maybe I'm missing it, but I remember the old days and there a couple of posters who would literally make me cry, once in a while! Things seem infinitely more civil now.

I haven't, either, but I suppose now that I'm one of the "popular girls," I may not know it 😛 . 

 

2 minutes ago, MercyA said:

I think we call each other out when we are not logical, or not sensitive, or not well-informed. I've been called out many a time and others have too. That is one of the many beautiful things about this board. We challenge each other. "Iron sharpens iron."

What I always try to do is to talk to people from the perspective of THEIR values and not mine. I will never change someone's values. I may hope to show someone that they are not living up to their own. 

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2 minutes ago, Happymomof1 said:

Yes, but if I've told you I find it mean or hurtful, then you should stop doing it, right? It's what you said earlier. 😉

You should certainly be able to ask people not to say things to you that you find hurtful 🙂 . 

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The "meh" and "shrug" thing interests me.  On the internet, imo, I think they both come across as a dismissive "screw you", even "f**k you".

Isn't that what they convey to everyone else?

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1 hour ago, EmseB said:

Demanding people change their language so as to not be hurtful as defined by the person demanding the language change, or apology, or concession of wrongs isn't benign. It can create a whole lotta eggshells one has to avoid. But this is probably a spin off thread.

Yes, I see that, and I am not always a fan of being peremptorily asked to change my language. Who gets to decide what language is OK, anyway? 

But on the other hand, we are a relatively small group, and we all know that some of us have lost family to COVID, and many more know people with lingering side-effects. It's also widely known many of us make a serious effort to avoid getting sick. So it's not shocking that a "meh" amounts to throwing a hand grenade into the discussion. I doubt this was particularly surprising to anyone. The reaction was predictable. 

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8 minutes ago, MercyA said:

Right? Someone need only put up a thread about abortion or hormonal birth control, and you'll quickly see how popular my views are. 😉 I'm willing to bet I'm farther to the right on that issue than even @EmseB and @Bagels McGruffikin

I think we call each other out when we are not logical, or not sensitive, or not well-informed. I've been called out many a time and others have too. That is one of the many beautiful things about this board. We challenge each other. "Iron sharpens iron."

I really and truly haven't seen much true nastiness here lately. Maybe I'm missing it, but I remember the old days and there were a couple of posters who would literally make me cry, once in a while! Things seem infinitely more civil now.

See, right there!!

Not sensitive - you can't really define that bc, again, subjective, so calling people on it is well.....

Not well informed - that's incredibly condescending approach to take.

And then there is "wording" of thoughts that many seem to be so concern about, which again, leads to people being called insensitive and not well-informed.

So, yeah....you might not be seeing this is nasty, but it's certainly not that civil either. And it's not challenging anyone except to a fight.

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Just now, Happymomof1 said:

But you guys were just saying you were just discussing. It wasn't nasty, but I perceive it as nasty and it makes me cry....see the issue

I'm not sure what I could have said to make you cry, honestly. What was it? 

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2 minutes ago, SereneHome said:

See, right there!!

Not sensitive - you can't really define that bc, again, subjective, so calling people on it is well.....

Not well informed - that's incredibly condescending approach to take.

And then there is "wording" of thoughts that many seem to be so concern about, which again, leads to people being called insensitive and not well-informed.

So, yeah....you might not be seeing this is nasty, but it's certainly not that civil either. And it's not challenging anyone except to a fight.

It's not condescending. She was saying that's the general rule she's seen -- people calling each other out for those reasons. It's a board that debates vigorously. You don't have to agree with her characterization to feel like those are valid reasons someone might call you out. Of course, "not well informed" and "not sensitive" are in the eye of the beholder. But then I think one arrives at truth via seeing a variety of different perspectives. 

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12 minutes ago, happi duck said:

The "meh" and "shrug" thing interests me.  On the internet, imo, I think they both come across as a dismissive "screw you", even "f**k you".

Isn't that what they convey to everyone else?

No.

When I think of “meh” I picture a French man in the 1950s, leaning against a wall on a dimly lit street at night after the rain smoking a cigarette and shrugging his shoulders in a world weary manner as if to say, “Who can tell? Life is hard. Maybe yes, maybe no, I don’t know. Meh.”

It’s a world-weary “who can say?” shrug. 

 

ETA: It’s more about the worn down internal feelings of the person saying it, than an external f u to someone else.

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1 minute ago, Not_a_Number said:

It's not condescending. She was saying that's the general rule she's seen -- people calling each other out for those reasons. It's a board that debates vigorously. You don't have to agree with her characterization to feel like those are valid reasons someone might call you out. Of course, "not well informed" and "not sensitive" are in the eye of the beholder. But then I think one arrives at truth via seeing a variety of different perspectives. 

It hasn't been my experience on this board.

As a matter of fact, it has been the opposite. I was told that my opinion was stupid and I didn't know what I was talking about.  The person never bothered to ask me how I came up to my conclusion or what sources I had.

There were other instances when no other perspectives have been even entertained, again, bc evidently I was just not well informed enough. And if I could be informed, then I would see the light of my wrongness.

I know people here see themselves as able to intelligently debate, for the most part, I found it differently. I had someone yelling at me and leaving in a huff, again, bc she just couldn't understand how I can be so insensitive and miss informed.

And I didn't say anything about Mercy talking about "logic" bc again, in my experience, posters get very emotional very quickly and there is no logic in sight....

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1 minute ago, Happymomof1 said:

On my phone, not on my computer so I can't look it up. About to go to bed as well. But mainly it was the people ganging up on the other poster. When people hurt other people, it makes me cry and want to protect them.

I understand the impulse. I really do. I often do try to get between people piling on a person and that person, because I think everyone deserves a hearing. 

But I'm having a hard time with the perspective of "everything is FINE here, so it's no big deal" when there are people with dead relatives on the thread. It just doesn't seem to need saying. 

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12 minutes ago, happi duck said:

The "meh" and "shrug" thing interests me.  On the internet, imo, I think they both come across as a dismissive "screw you", even "f**k you".

Isn't that what they convey to everyone else?

I’d say to me meh means something is bland or boring, or it’s something the person is indifferent to.  I wouldn’t say it’s the equivalent of obscene language. But I’m not always the best at reading tone in gestures etc.  I do mostly prefer words though sometimes emojis convey a lot.  

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16 minutes ago, Happymomof1 said:

Yes, but if I've told you I find it mean or hurtful, then you should stop doing it, right? It's what you said earlier. 😉

You can explain what part was hurtful, and then I can explain and we can figure out if what you thought I was saying, and what I was tryign to say, are the same thing. And if not, then I can try to explain it a different way, that makes sense to you, and avoids the hurt feelings. 

We may still disagree, but at least there is clarity. 

If you find that anyone disagreeing is upsetting, no, that can't be really fixed. But yeah, if you say to me that using XYZ language or term is upsetting to you, bcause it makes you feel like I hate you, then I will explain "wow, no! of course I don't hate you! What I meant was XYZ", and then I'll try not to use the phrasing that you said was upsetting. 

That's different than just saying that anyone who disagrees with each other is being mean. 

 

 

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Just now, SereneHome said:

It hasn't been my experience on this board.

As a matter of fact, it has been the opposite. I was told that my opinion was stupid and I didn't know what I was talking about.  The person never bothered to ask me how I came up to my conclusion or what sources I had.

There were other instances when no other perspectives have been even entertained, again, bc evidently I was just not well informed enough. And if I could be informed, then I would see the light of my wrongness.

I know people here see themselves as able to intelligently debate, for the most part, I found it differently. I had someone yelling at me and leaving in a huff, again, bc she just couldn't understand how I can be so insensitive and miss informed.

And I didn't say anything about Mercy talking about "logic" bc again, in my experience, posters get very emotional very quickly and there is no logic in sight....

I always ask for sources and am willing to debate until the cows come home. I also often take unpopular stances that people yell at me about. 

The COVID threads have debates that are months old. They have largely stayed civil. 

I can't speak to your experience, because I have no clue what opinion you were defending. It's easy to come up with opinions that may be genuinely offensive to people, and lots that should be debated without undue emotion. But after all, if people call you names and leave in a huff, then you win, right? There are always going to be judgmental people out there. If you stay above the fray and show your sources, consider it a point to you. 

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33 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Idk the intention, and I think the illness of leaders be they Boris Johnson or Donald Trump is quite serious, but I read that and cracked up laughing.  

I had a personal life sad thing today, so thank you! a real out loud laugh was excellent!!!!  Better than chocolate!

I don’t know what happened today, Pen, but I’m sorry you’re sad and I hope you feel better soon. 

(((((Pen)))))

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5 minutes ago, happi duck said:

The "meh" and "shrug" thing interests me.  On the internet, imo, I think they both come across as a dismissive "screw you", even "f**k you".

Isn't that what they convey to everyone else?

I haven't, and won't, post in this discussion otherwise but this point stood out to me.  When I see Meh it usually means 'not a big deal' or 'you see it your way, I see it mine, no worries' or something like that.  

And, I wonder if part of what some people are finding disorienting is the idea that everybody wants to debate things vigorously.  When somebody asks a 'Why do you/some people do/think X?' type of question, I think that there is a set of people who are happy to explain their beliefs/thoughts/experiences/observations but have no interest in defending them.  I assume that they're just gathering information.  Like, if people ask 'How is your area handling school starting or shutdowns or restaurants?' or 'How does your co-op deal with situation Y?' I'm happy to answer so that the questioner can have a variety of answers to choose from, but I have absolutely no interest in defending the choices that I'm describing.  I'm actually not opposed to debate, but it often comes across as 'let me point out why you're wrong' instead of 'Hmm...that's an interesting perspective...we do it differently, but I could see how you could see it that way'.   I will debate as a form of problem solving, but I don't have any desire to spend my free time debating people online.  

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52 minutes ago, SereneHome said:

I agree and disagree. Yes, who we elect to the highest office speaks volumes about who we are as a society.

I think what any of them say means very VERY little. I think what they do matters 100% more. And that's what I judge them on. Their actions. Not speeches and tweets.

 

I judge them on all of it. As I wrote in the original post, it’s both talking and treating others. At least in the current case for me they are very, very consistent. The behavior is very consistent with words, especially when it comes to COVID, the topic under discussion.

 

And spreading misinformation is an action, it is doing. Especially when you know the power of your words and influence.

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13 minutes ago, Happymomof1 said:

But you guys were just saying you were just discussing. It wasn't nasty, but I perceive it as nasty and it makes me cry....see the issue

If any of our posts are making you cry, it’s time to step away from the computer for a while and try to figure out why people who don’t even know you are able to hold that level of power over you. 

If you are truly that sensitive, online forums may not be the best place for you. I’m saying that out of concern, not to say you shouldn’t be here. 

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Just now, Frances said:

I judge them on all of it. At least in the current case for me they are very, very consistent. The behavior is very consistent with words, especially when it comes to COVID.

I understand. I just have different scales, I guess. I won't say anything else bc I don't want to get banned for political conversations.

 

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From my TV boyfriend, Van Jones ( I love him very, very much)

"I don’t want to argue with anyone about this. But for me, sympathy and empathy are not limited resources.
I spend time in prison with people who live and work in prisons who have done awful things. And I have learned that people can do monstrous things — and still be worthy of love, sympathy and empathy. Yes, before they repent.Yes, before they atone. Still worthy. Already worthy.
I know we all make mistakes, do dumb things and take irresponsible risks with our own lives and others. But grace is (by definition) not earned and not deserved — but something we all will at some point need. And I am not going to make my heart smaller to punish Trump or anyone else.
That said, I know others feel differently. And I don’t want to argue about it."
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Just now, Garga said:

No.

When I think of “meh” I picture a French man in the 1950s, leaning against a wall on a dimly lit street at night after the rain smoking a cigarette and shrugging his shoulders in a world weary manner as if to say, “Who can tell? Life is hard. Maybe yes, maybe no, I don’t know. Meh.”

It’s a world-weary “who can say?” shrug. 

That's usually how I mean it when I say it. Though now I'll have that French man in my head when I type it and I'll be adding on the rest in a French accent under my breath. 🗼👕

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6 minutes ago, Clemsondana said:

I will debate as a form of problem solving, but I don't have any desire to spend my free time debating people online.  

That's reasonable. And if that's how one feels, one should probably not continue to participate on contentious debate threads 😉 

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OK, so, I'm not sure why we're debating the meaning of the word meh, when this was the quote:

 

"Meh, not too worried honestly. Praying for their recovery and that they have mild cases. There are advantages to having the best care in the world available though, especially when the virus is incredibly mild in most people, even in their age demographic." 

 

The message here is really clear. The virus is no big deal for most of us, even overweight 70-year olds. It doesn't really MATTER what "meh" means, specifically, because it's not really changing the message. 

One should be entitled to say that, of course. But the fact that this will offend people who've had relatives die or get very sick is really obvious. 

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Just now, Animula V. Blandula said:

Because a poster upthread said she thought it meant f*** you, and because language is interesting 🙂

True enough 🙂 . I think it mostly depends on context!! I've certainly said "meh" in my life, and whether I mean it as a middle finger really depends whether a show of not caring would be equivalent to a middle finger or not 😉 

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2 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

OK, so, I'm not sure why we're debating the meaning of the word meh, when this was the quote:

 

Because the forum glitch has deprived you all of your friendly, neighbourhood* moderators.

*Neighbourhood being a relative term, seeing how my closest boardie is over 200km away. 😛

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30 minutes ago, happi duck said:

The "meh" and "shrug" thing interests me.  On the internet, imo, I think they both come across as a dismissive "screw you", even "f**k you".

Isn't that what they convey to everyone else?

Interesting...I don’t see it at that level of hostility. I do use “meh” sometimes but I, personally, hope I don’t use it when discussing a disease that has killed a million people. To me it’s like, “I tried the Tofu Burger. It was meh.” Like, I am not compelled to care about it; it wasn’t worth thinking about more. Surely won’t eat one again because it was not worth my money or time. 

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1 minute ago, Quill said:

Interesting...I don’t see it at that level of hostility. I do use “meh” sometimes but I, personally, hope I don’t use it when discussing a disease that has killed a million people. To me it’s like, “I tried the Tofu Burger. It was meh.” Like, I am not compelled to care about it; it wasn’t worth thinking about more. Surely won’t eat one again because it was not worth my money or time. 

Yeah, that's how I usually use it. But if someone was crying and yelling and telling me how I hurt their feelings, and I looked stony-faced and said "meh," it would definitely be an F U. Sometimes, a show of indifference can be a slap in the face. 

As I said, it depends on context. 

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Just now, Heartwood said:

What’s obvious is that’s how you interpreted it. 
 

Meh, I don’t read it that way. 

...the quote says the virus is incredibly mild in most people. I'm very barely paraphrasing. 

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1 minute ago, Heartwood said:

Why don’t you go back and read all she had to say about it?  I think she explains herself quite clearly and still cares about those who’ve suffered and died or, meh, don’t check it out.

I mean, I also care about people who've died because a brick fell on their head and think their deaths are no less tragic than COVID deaths. Nonetheless, I don't think that's a major public health issue and I would probably sound pretty indifferent to proposed solutions to this problem. 

So, arguing that the virus is relatively harmless is different from saying that you don't care about anyone dying from it. 

I'm also not really sure what the point of all the meh's is... 

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20 minutes ago, SereneHome said:

I understand. I just have different scales, I guess. I won't say anything else bc I don't want to get banned for political conversations.

 

Yes, it’s likely people are coming at it from different perspectives. And I don’t disagree that actions are very important.  I am confused though by judging everyday people based on what they are saying about the president being sick (and concluding it is evil in some cases), but not judging the president, who has astronomically greater influence, on what he says about others, both individually and as groups. It’s not as though anyone took any action or tried to get him sick. 

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I haven't posted much in this thread.  Mostly to say I was going to start a thread that I didn't because DH distracted me and I couldn't remember what I was going to say lol.

But what I will say is this.

I know Bagels in person.  I pick up her kids 2 times a week.  My kids literally ask regularly when they get to play with her kids.  I have eaten food in her house and she has eaten food in mine.  

She is not a mean nasty person.  She *DOES* , like so many here....get pretty riled up.  And although I try to often maintain a reasonable head on the boards.....and really, in person too.....I am generally pretty middle of the road and pretty neutral....

Truth is....There is *VERY MUCH a liberal type of leaning of this board, and often, anyone who doesn't fit perfectly within the liberal thought processes tends to be shouted down.  This is a reflection of what is often happening in popular culture as a whole and in some cases, has been referred to as "cancel culture."   This board isn't immune to cancel culture.  I have said it before that so many people on this board who tend to have conservative views...or even those who are somewhat middle of the road......they (we) feel shouted down and "cancelled."  

Covid and the recent protests have really turned the problem bare. There has been so many references to "killing grandma" and " not caring about others" and "racists" and so on just tossed around.  And I personally feel like there has been SO MUCH more of that vs "cowering in fear."  I do feel like some people who talk about having been told they are "cowering in fear" are conflating their facebook feeds and perhaps other personal situations with what happens here on the board.

 

 

 

 

I will be honest....most of you are "random anonymous people on the internet for me.  I know Ktgrok is Katie (though I can't promise I spelled that right) and she lives in Florida.  I know Not-a Number lives in the northeast.  I know Mercy is a very devout Christian.  

But I know Bagel's address.  I can actually walk to her house.  If my DH had to have emergency surgery right now, I could drop my kids off with her and know they would be ok.  She isn't a random person on the internet to me, but yeah....most of you are.  

And the truth is that isn't a bad thing.  Thinking we know these people on the internet is part of what is contributing to the polarization that is happening.

 

Please.....really get to know the people you talking to online before you think you know who you are talking to.  

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21 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

OK, so, I'm not sure why we're debating the meaning of the word meh, when this was the quote:

 

"Meh, not too worried honestly. Praying for their recovery and that they have mild cases. There are advantages to having the best care in the world available though, especially when the virus is incredibly mild in most people, even in their age demographic." 

 

The message here is really clear. The virus is no big deal for most of us, even overweight 70-year olds. It doesn't really MATTER what "meh" means, specifically, because it's not really changing the message. 

One should be entitled to say that, of course. But the fact that this will offend people who've had relatives die or get very sick is really obvious. 

But it's not the fact for everyone. It didn't offend me and my husband's uncle died from Covid. It didn't offend other people.  Just as she said "most people have mild symptoms".

So, was the message unclear or was the perception of the message distorted?

And that kind of brings me back to one of the reasons I first posted on this thread - people get accused of certain feelings, or lack thereof, just based on someone's perception. And THAT being treated as a fact. Isn't it a problem?

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6 hours ago, Terabith said:

Am I the only one for whom you guys aren't just "anonymous people on a message board?"   I mean, at this point, some of you are among people I've "known" longer than anyone else in my life.  I mean, you guys show up in my dreams.  And especially during covid, when I'm not seeing people in real life much, you guys are very much real to me.

 

6 hours ago, Pawz4me said:

No, no you are not alone! If I didn't have y'all to "talk" to there's no way I would have made it through the past seven months.

Many many of you guys are friends. I l think a lot about you all. I've had this message board for socialization for about a decade, which is longer than I've known most of my close friends.

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1 minute ago, SereneHome said:

But it's not the fact for everyone. It didn't offend me and my husband's uncle died from Covid. It didn't offend other people.  Just as she said "most people have mild symptoms".

So, was the message unclear or was the perception of the message distorted?

And that kind of brings me back to one of the reasons I first posted on this thread - people get accused of certain feelings, or lack thereof, just based on someone's perception. And THAT being treated as a fact. Isn't it a problem?

It didn't offend you, but it offended some people. I don't think there's any contradiction or misinterpretation in that fact. People's emotional reactions vary. Given the many, many interactions over the previous months, I don't think anyone's reaction was a surprise. 

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