POTUS and FLOTUS have Covid-19

[Frances]

30 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Did anyone else notice that the photo of all of Trump's doctors was a photo of about 20 white males.  I can't see how that hospital only hires white males. I found it really jarring. I know that I prefer to see a female doctor, so I can understand if Trump only wanted male doctors, but there were just a LOT of them.

I can’t find the photo you are referencing, but perhaps it has something to do with it being a military hospital? I’m guessing more senior doctors there are involved in his care? So it’s not surprising to me that most would be white males. For a long time, much of the racial diversity in doctors here came from residents from abroad, as we don’t train enough doctors here due simply to an inadequate number of medical school slots. But most (all?) of those who come from other countries for residency and stay are not going to be part of the military.

Women are now attending medical school in numbers equal to men and medical school classes are also increasingly racially diverse. But do women and minorities choose the military medical route as often as white males? I don’t know. But even if they do now, I think it would take awhile for them to rise to the level of the senior people likely to be treating the president.

[Catwoman]

6 minutes ago, Sdel said:

I wouldn’t put much stock in this and start assuming he’s on his deathbed.

 

 My BIL had COVID and got some temporarily bad vitals (In the low O2 SATS type of bad).  His doctors, who were looking at him as a whole,  were never concerned about him not recovering.  He’s recovered just fine.

I’m glad to hear that your BIL is fine — I would have been so panicked if someone’s vitals weren’t looking good, even if the doctors didn’t seem worried — although I hope your family trusted the doctors and didn’t get as scared as I would have!

All of the Covid news has so many of us on edge. I’m always happy to see accounts of people who have recovered with no after-effects.

[Pen]

36 minutes ago, bibiche said:

I think this second descriptor might refer to a post of mine that was later, ahem, modified. Let me clarify that I was trying to assure people that the guy will never die and did so by reminding them that this is because he has dictator blood coursing through his veins. Never did I refer to Dear Leader as a dictator. Nuance. 😜

 

I think this is beyond the pale for the rules here, though okay on Politics Club area, where apparently anything goes. 

[Catwoman]

45 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Did anyone else notice that the photo of all of Trump's doctors was a photo of about 20 white males.  I can't see how that hospital only hires white males. I found it really jarring. I know that I prefer to see a female doctor, so I can understand if Trump only wanted male doctors, but there were just a LOT of them.

 

My dh spent quite a while at Cleveland Clinic about 5 years ago, and we saw a lot of diversity among the doctors, nurses, and other staff. 

Obviously, we ware just one family, so I can’t say for sure what percentage of the doctors are white males, but that photo didn’t reflect our experiences at all. 

[lewelma]

3 minutes ago, Frances said:

I can’t find the photo you are referencing, but perhaps it has something to do with it being a military hospital? I’m guessing more senior doctors there are involved in his care? So it’s not surprising to me that most would be white males. For a long time, much of the racial diversity in doctors here came from residents from abroad, as we don’t train enough doctors here due simply to an inadequate number of medical school slots. But most (all?) of those who come from other countries for residency and stay are not going to be part of the military.

Women are now attending medical school in numbers equal to men and medical school classes are also increasingly racially diverse. But do women and minorities choose the military medical route as often as white males? I don’t know. But even if they do now, I think it would take awhile for them to rise to the level of the senior people likely to be treating the president.

Thanks for that. We also don't seem to train enough doctors, but most of our expert doctors are either from India or from Germany it seems in my experience. Right now our medical schools have special programs to get a larger intake of Maori and Pacifica so that the doctor pool is reflective of the population, which currently it isn't. Interesting point about it being a military hospital, I had not considered that.  We don't have those here. 

[Pen]

49 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Did anyone else notice that the photo of all of Trump's doctors was a photo of about 20 white males.  I can't see how that hospital only hires white males. I found it really jarring. I know that I prefer to see a female doctor, so I can understand if Trump only wanted male doctors, but there were just a LOT of them.

 

OTOH we have had a Black man as Surgeon General of the United States.  

I think if someone wants to choose their personal physician based on skin color or gender that is their prerogative. I also think it is acceptable to choose based on competence, and experience, and even to take into account seeing eye to eye about approaches for one’s personal care. 

Plus I am not even sure if the President chooses his doctor staff or if they are part of the White House and Walter Reed Staff assigned to him. 

[debinindy]

30 minutes ago, Frances said:

I believe that poster recently left the board and did this in her final post. If I recall correctly, it got very few likes. And since it was stated clearly that it was her farewell post, I’m guessing many did not see the point in condemning it. She stated she knew it would get her kicked off, as it was against board rules.

nope not whom I was referring 

[rebcoola]

So off the POTUS directly.  How many senators have to get sick before it affects Bennett's confirmation?  Right now three republican senators in contact with him have tested positive.

[Pen]

7 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

 

My dh spent quite a while at Cleveland Clinic about 5 years ago, and we saw a lot of diversity among the doctors, nurses, and other staff. 

Obviously, we ware just one family, so I can’t say for sure what percentage of the doctors are white males, but that photo didn’t reflect our experiences at all. 

 

He is at Walter Reed Military Hospital in Bethesda, MD isn’t he? Not at the Cleveland Clinic (other than that the debate was held at the Cleveland Clinic so he was there for that.)

[Pen]

Just now, Pen said:

 

He is at Walter Reed Military Hospital in Bethesda, MD isn’t he? Not at the Cleveland Clinic (other than that the debate was held at the Cleveland Clinic so he was there for that.)

 

POTUS. I mean, not your husband. 

[Pen]

12 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

OTOH we have had a Black man as Surgeon General of the United States.  

I think if someone wants to choose their personal physician based on skin color or gender that is their prerogative. I also think it is acceptable to choose based on competence, and experience, and even to take into account seeing eye to eye about approaches for one’s personal care. 

Plus I am not even sure if the President chooses his doctor staff or if they are part of the White House and Walter Reed Staff assigned to him. 

 

1 hour ago, lewelma said:

Did anyone else notice that the photo of all of Trump's doctors was a photo of about 20 white males.  I can't see how that hospital only hires white males. I found it really jarring. I know that I prefer to see a female doctor, so I can understand if Trump only wanted male doctors, but there were just a LOT of them.

 

And to be very clear about this since “have had” could be misinterpreted as meaning some time before Donald Trump’s Presidency, 

 

Donald Trump appointed Jerome Adams to the post of United States Surgeon General. 

 

How many previous Presidents appointed a Black person to that position? 

 

(And he has now also nominated a woman with 2 Black children for Supreme Court Justice. I have to think that Mama Bear feelings will make a mom of Black children see the world as it affects those children differently than someone without that experience- - even seeing possible ways the world is different for her Black and White children and her neurotypical children and neuroatypical 

Child may be significant.) 

 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Pen

[debinindy]

49 minutes ago, lewelma said:

No, I even put in that I prefer female doctors, so I understand why he may prefer male doctors.  But to expand my comment, I actually found the photo jarring because they were all wearing white lab coats, all had their hands crossed in front of them, and all were white in a country that is only about 50% white, right?  (I'm in NZ).  Here most of our most advanced doctors are Indian.  Almost every specialist I have ever had was Indian.  So, from my point of view, the photo felt odd, staged. My takeaway was that whoever is in charge of WH media, was not creating a photo that made me feel better.  I found that interesting. Sorry you felt it was stirring the pot.  I was more interested in hearing about how either the medical personal are chosen for the President or how the media designs photo ops to influence people.  We could have a rational conversation about this.  There are intellectual topics to discuss. Perhaps next time I should write a longer post trying to better lay out what I am interested in discussing. 

Well, at the news update this morning along with all the white males (gasp!) there were at least 2 women and a man of color.

Edited October 3, 2020 by debinindy

[Pawz4me]

3 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

 

How many previous Presidents appointed a Black person to that position? 

 

 

 

Jocelyn Elders

David Satcher

I don't remember who appointed them or what years they served, though.

 

[Pen]

1 minute ago, Pawz4me said:

Jocelyn Elders

David Satcher

I don't remember who appointed them or what years they served, though.

 

 

Thank you.    So DJT is in a minority in doing that.

 And I think if someone brings up a photo of White doctors then it 

it is fair to bring this up too. 

 

It may also be fairly within the scope of this thread to ask if a potential medical treatment for CV19 to be used by the a President (Regeneron or Remdesivir or whatever)  should be evaluated / chosen based on its medical characteristics and medical suitability for him as best he and his doctors can figure that out, or whether the race and gender of its makers’ managers should be the primary driver, or a significant consideration in making the choice. 

 

[Frances]

28 minutes ago, debinindy said:

nope not whom I was referring 

Sorry, I must have missed the post you were referring to. I work full time, so often don’t see some of the contentious threads or posts until they are locked or deleted, unless they occur at night or on the weekends.

[Joker]

I do find it interesting that after all the noise he raised about HCQ it doesn’t appear he’s using it as part of his treatment. Maybe now all that conspiracy bs surrounding it can disappear. 

[Pawz4me]

3 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Thank you.    So DJT is in a minority in doing that.

 

 

Sorry, I should have taken another second to be clear -- There may be others. Those are just off the top of my head.

[Pam in CT]

re extent to which this all could affect the Senate schedule

47 minutes ago, rebcoola said:

So off the POTUS directly.  How many senators have to get sick before it affects Bennett's confirmation?  Right now three republican senators in contact with him have tested positive.

Thus far, I don't think so. Sen Maj Leader Mitch McConnell announced today that regular Senate votes (which require legislators to appear in person) will be postponed until 10/19, but that committee hearings can continue subject to their respective chairs' decisions.  And many committee hearings have been held in various virtual formats throughout COVID.

Two of the three confirmed positive Senators sit on the Judiciary Committee, whose chair Sen Lindsey Graham has announced will start hearings on Judge Barrett starting Oct 13.  And unless Sen Tillis and/or Sen Lee actually fall SICK (not merely quarantned, as they could participate virtually if Sen Graham so ruled as chair), those hearings should be able to proceed on schedule.

[lewelma]

30 minutes ago, debinindy said:

Well, at the news update this morning along with all the white males (gasp!) there were at least 2 women and a man of color.

Cool!  I feel a bit, Deb, that you are cross with me (I think it was the 'gasp' word).  Feels a bit funny to defend my honor, but I think you could ask anyone on this board, and they would tell you that for the 12 years I have been here, I have never been a pot-stirring type of person.  I consider myself quite open to new ideas but I am also willing to discuss things that maybe are not PC.  This goes back to Not-a-Number's point that not all of our opinions align with typical divides. I have lived in a different culture for 25 years, so often see things differently than Americans do.  But civic discourse is a part of a democratic society (by definition), and I love a good discussion, and even a good argument.  All I ask is that you please ask for clarification on my posts rather than assuming the worst. 

[Sdel]

1 hour ago, Catwoman said:

I’m glad to hear that your BIL is fine — I would have been so panicked if someone’s vitals weren’t looking good, even if the doctors didn’t seem worried — although I hope your family trusted the doctors and didn’t get as scared as I would have!

All of the Covid news has so many of us on edge. I’m always happy to see accounts of people who have recovered with no after-effects.

Well, he was bad enough that we were trying to gently probe them about who he wanted to be making his care decisions - his girlfriend or his son and if it wasn't his son then to act on it.  But ultimately, what was going to happen was going to happen.  Nothing to do but deal with whatever happened.

We are glad he recovered...but that didn't stop us from teasing him horribly about not being "immune" like he was bragging about when we got together for a kid's baseball tournament earlier in the summer.  (He's an ER nurse so exposure is a given)

[maize]

1 hour ago, lewelma said:

Did anyone else notice that the photo of all of Trump's doctors was a photo of about 20 white males.  I can't see how that hospital only hires white males. I found it really jarring. I know that I prefer to see a female doctor, so I can understand if Trump only wanted male doctors, but there were just a LOT of them.

As another poster stated, Walter Reed is a military hospital; that does change the potential doctor pool. And as a former military officer I can attest that career military service in the US is not very family friendly, especially for women. A little online research turned up that female physicians make up 25-30% of the military medical corps in the lower ranks and that that percentage drops as ranks increase; my guess is that this is primarily because women move to civilian practice.

I did find this graphic that breaks down overall racial representation among physicians in the US:

[Catwoman]

1 hour ago, Pen said:

 

He is at Walter Reed Military Hospital in Bethesda, MD isn’t he? Not at the Cleveland Clinic (other than that the debate was held at the Cleveland Clinic so he was there for that.)

Oops! I thought she was referring to the Cleveland Clinic photos from the time of the debate. 

Sorry! Thanks for catching that! 🙂 

[Sneezyone]

1 hour ago, Pen said:

 

 

And to be very clear about this since “have had” could be misinterpreted as meaning some time before Donald Trump’s Presidency, 

 

Donald Trump appointed Jerome Adams to the post of United States Surgeon General. 

 

How many previous Presidents appointed a Black person to that position? 

 

(And he has now also nominated a woman with 2 Black children for Supreme Court Justice. I have to think that Mama Bear feelings will make a mom of Black children see the world as it affects those children differently than someone without that experience- - even seeing possible ways the world is different for her Black and White children and her neurotypical children and neuroatypical 

Child may be significant.) 

 

Clinton appointed Joycelyn Elders 30 years ago. There are a lot of white moms with non-white kids who don't feel any particular affinity for or connection to other people who look like their kids.

Edited October 3, 2020 by Sneezyone

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Pen said:

 

OTOH we have had a Black man as Surgeon General of the United States.  

I think if someone wants to choose their personal physician based on skin color or gender that is their prerogative. I also think it is acceptable to choose based on competence, and experience, and even to take into account seeing eye to eye about approaches for one’s personal care. 

Plus I am not even sure if the President chooses his doctor staff or if they are part of the White House and Walter Reed Staff assigned to him. 

Honestly? Totally agree. For my bre@st cancer team, only one was a male, the rest female and that is the way I wanted it. I absolutely, definitely wanted my surgeon to be a woman because I perceive male surgeons as placing a higher value on how that part of my body will "look" - purely the aesthetics. I could be totally wrong about that, but for my own personal care with a frightening disease, I wanted women. 

 

AFA the doctors helping the President, though, I expect this is because it is a military hospital and many or most of the senior doctors are bound to be white men. 

 

[wonderchica]

Our military hospital has civilian doctors and other medical staff as well though. I thought that was standard?

[teachermom2834]

I am not a fan of the president and while I would consider myself a moderate on covid restrictions/masking/etc, I have been frustrated by the cavalier attitude of the president and his party when it comes to covid. I, personally, think there is some middle ground on restrictions and openings and that people can act relatively safely and with common sense without isolating themselves all the time.

While I am okay with other people going about their business as they see fit, even if I would not participate, it is different for those in power. If I go on a mom's night out and get covid it is not a matter of national security. So the standard there is different. (Now, I am not ignorant to the effect of community spread on the whole so I don't need to be preached at for saying someone can go on a mom's night out if they feel like it.) But, the moms that get together with their kids at the park are not going to throw the world into chaos if they get sick. What on earth were all these people in power thinking ?!?!?!

All that said, I feel nothing but concern and compassion for the president and his family and the whole country. No sense of poetic justice at all. In fact, I think this is the first time I have seen him as a felow human and not some caricature or comic book villain. 

So, I'm just really sad and concerned. 

And- I am completely befuddled at how Mike Pence is not effectively the boy in the bubble right now. 

[EKS]

2 hours ago, Pawz4me said:

The doctor's statement apparently has the name of the treatment wrong. POTUS didn't receive polyclonal antibody therapy. What he received, per the manufacturer, is called monoclonal antibody therapy. That doesn't seem like something most physicians would make a mistake on.

The doctor did not make a mistake.  The Regeneron product is two monoclonal antibodies mixed together, which is called a "cocktail"  and could also be called "polyclonal."

Edited October 3, 2020 by EKS

[EKS]

Double post 

Edited October 3, 2020 by EKS

[Hyacinth]

44 minutes ago, lewelma said:

All I ask is that you please ask for clarification on my posts rather than assuming the worst. 

May we all heed this wisdom in our interactions. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Frances said:

I believe that poster recently left the board and did this in her final post. If I recall correctly, it got very few likes. And since it was stated clearly that it was her farewell post, I’m guessing many did not see the point in condemning it. She stated she knew it would get her kicked off, as it was against board rules.

I can kind of imagine who this might be but the board has been so very wonky for me the past few days, I didn't see this. But it is a shame.

I will say, though, that that sentiment - essentially, "if you would vote for X candidate, you can go to hell and btw, unfriend me now, because I have nothing to say to you" - is fairly pervasive in our culture at the moment. When I was on FB, I saw a couple posts like this for one candidate and a couple for the opposing candidate. These are people I just snoozed indefinitely (until I finally just left) because, who needs that kind of upset? 

[Ausmumof3]

2 hours ago, Pawz4me said:

Quoting myself here because I want to point out a few things about the doctor's statement that are being pointed out by people I follow on Twitter --

The doctor's statement apparently has the name of the treatment wrong. POTUS didn't receive polyclonal antibody therapy. What he received, per the manufacturer, is called monoclonal antibody therapy. That doesn't seem like something most physicians would make a mistake on.

The manufacturer of the antibody treatment is Regeneron, not "Regeron."

Dr. Conley, who issued the above statement, isn't the doc who said 48 hours. That was another doctor. But the statement makes it sound like it was Dr. Conley who said it.

The statement isn't signed (although I have no idea if a signature on something like this is standard or not).

Those errors kind of remind me of the errors in this statement 

 

[ktgrok]

Just now, kand said:

Right??! I’ve been wondering this all along. Seems the two of them should never have been in the same room as long as the pandemic is going. 

I've been saying this for MONTHS!!!! 

And he's not isolating, or quarantining and claiming he hasn't been a close contact of any of the positive people...but I call BS. 

[Terabith]

The Trump campaign has announced "Operation MAGA" in which Pence, Don Jr, and Eric will go on the campaign trail.  

All three of them have been exposed to multiple covid-positive contacts.  

https://twitter.com/alaynatreene/status/1312487104304222208/photo/1

[debinindy]

1 hour ago, lewelma said:

Cool!  I feel a bit, Deb, that you are cross with me (I think it was the 'gasp' word).  Feels a bit funny to defend my honor, but I think you could ask anyone on this board, and they would tell you that for the 12 years I have been here, I have never been a pot-stirring type of person.  I consider myself quite open to new ideas but I am also willing to discuss things that maybe are not PC.  This goes back to Not-a-Number's point that not all of our opinions align with typical divides. I have lived in a different culture for 25 years, so often see things differently than Americans do.  But civic discourse is a part of a democratic society (by definition), and I love a good discussion, and even a good argument.  All I ask is that you please ask for clarification on my posts rather than assuming the worst. 

I admit to being a bit defensive right now.  I apologize for taking that out on you.  But the comment hit me as odd.  

Also, I appreciate Bagels and am sad that she feels the need to leave the board.  Her voice is important and valuable...one that I think is much needed on this board. We ask the best be assumed about us, but if we all actually did that, then she wouldn't have felt attacked and have pages and pages of people dissecting a tiny word she said...especially when there are people who say very vitriolic things sometimes and no one bats an eye.

[lewelma]

1 minute ago, debinindy said:

 I appreciate Bagels and am sad that she feels the need to leave the board.  Her voice is important and valuable...one that I think is much needed on this board. 

I agree. But I can see why she left.  Her words were being picked apart.  I think often when we write something out, we don't have the time to make the full nuanced points that we could make if we were talking face to face.  This means that we understand our own writing as nuanced because we live in our head, and then only later realize that we have written it in a way that came across poorly. If you can get in fast and clarify, you have a chance to turn it around. But sometimes, if you walk away for 20 minutes and there is a gang up, you have lost your chance.  I just think it is the nature of a online thread. 

[lewelma]

I will also admit to wanting to come in and support her, but then was afraid that people would pile on me.  So I didn't.  Now I feel sorry that I didn't find the emotional energy to do what I knew I should have done. 

[Pawz4me]

40 minutes ago, EKS said:

The doctor did not make a mistake.  The Regeneron product is two monoclonal antibodies mixed together, which is called a "cocktail"  and could also be called "polyclonal."

Unless you can prove otherwise, then I think I'll accept Regeneron's own description as being the correct one:

Quote

Regeneron provided a single 8 gram dose of REGNCOV2, a cocktail of two monoclonal antibodies, for use by President Trump.

Throughout the press release they refer to it as "two monoclonal antibodies" and never as a "polyclonal cocktail." Now I don't claim to be an expert. Perhaps "polyclonal cocktail" is acceptable. But I would think to be most correct one would use the manufacturer's description.

Edited October 3, 2020 by Pawz4me

[SereneHome]

29 minutes ago, kand said:

 

 

I only saw people express how they took Bagel’s comment, and did not see anyone call her names or be mean to her. I don’t find disagreement mean. On the other hand, she made several comments (and has over the past few weeks) about how much she doesn’t like the people here and doesn’t enjoy them and we’re a waste of her time and many other similar statements. I haven’t actually seen anyone make any statements like that in the other direction, so it’s interesting to me that some people are seeing the people who expressed issues with some of her words as being the “mean girls” but the outright mean statements get a pass. It is what it is, but that keeps striking me when I read these posts, so I thought I’d finally say something. 

I think it’s interesting how disagreement is perceived that way by some. That seems to me it might be the difference. If I express that I disagree with someone, I’m not telling them they aren’t allowed to think the way they do, I’m saying how I think differently or what I disagree with. I don’t know why that would compel them to have to change their minds. They can listen and agree or disagree. Otherwise it sounds like no one is allowed to express disagreement, as some people interpret disagreement as meaning they aren’t “allowed” to have their own view. Anyone can disagree. Expressing disagreement isn’t censorship. 

I never said anyone called her names. I said I've been called names previously.

She was called out for being insensitive to "200K death" with her "meh" statement and was piled on even though she tried to reiterate over and over that it's not who she is

Once again, and probably for the last time on this thread - disagreements are fine. How disagreements are conveyed is not always fine. I have expressed my opinion and my perception of how disagreements are handled on this board in general. If your experience is different, than it's different.

[The Ghost of Æthelthryth]

3 minutes ago, Pawz4me said:

Unless you can prove otherwise, then I think I'll accept Regeneron's own description as being the correct one:

Throughout the press release they revere to it as "two monoclonal antibodies." Now I don't claim to be an expert. Perhaps "polyclonal" is acceptable. But I would think to be most correct one would use the manufacturer's description.

https://www.creative-diagnostics.com/polyclonal-vs-monoclonal-antibodies.htm

[lewelma]

21 minutes ago, debinindy said:

 But the comment hit me as odd.  

Thinking more about this.  I guess the question is why did *I* find the photo odd? Was it actually the white male faces, or was it the white lab coats, white masks, and folded hands? I think I had a visceral reaction to the sameness. It was like Stepford wives or something. Maybe I would not have noticed the white male sameness, if they had all been wearing their normal clothes.  So the question for me is actually *why* did the WH media staff feel like that image would bring me security, and lead me to trust that the president was well cared for.  Why would a media specialist make an educated decision to design the photo that way?  Especially, for a country that prides its self on individualism.  

This is clearly off topic, but the nuance in my head is more than "white male dominance".  I have 2 white boys. I am a stay at home mother. How do I teach them to navigate this world?  There is complexity here that is tricky. And my visceral reaction to the photo is actually personally interesting to me.

Edited October 3, 2020 by lewelma

[Ausmumof3]

10 minutes ago, lewelma said:

I will also admit to wanting to come in and support her, but then was afraid that people would pile on me.  So I didn't.  Now I feel sorry that I didn't find the emotional energy to do what I knew I should have done. 

Same thing for me when Stella left.  I saw things turning nasty, wanted to post a supportive comment and then got side tracked and by the time I came back she was gone.  Still kinda sad about that.

I hate when people leave even the ones I mostly disagree with.  I can get the conservative viewpoint from most of the other homeschool boards (lib viewpoint is harder to find) but it’s unlikely to be as well thought out and articulated as it is here.  Though I do totally understand the need to step away sometimes.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Thinking more about this.  I guess the question is why did *I* find the photo odd? Was it actually the white male faces, or was it the white lab coats, white masks, and folded hands? I think I had a visceral reaction to the sameness. It was like Stepford wives or something. Maybe I would not have noticed the white male sameness, if they had all been wearing their normal clothes.  So the question for me is actually *why* did the WH press feel like that image would bring me security, and lead me to trust that the president was well cared for.  Why would a media specialist make an educated decision to design the photo that way?  Especially, for a country that prides itsself on individualism.  

This is clearly off topic, but the nuance in my head is more than "white male dominance".  I have 2 white boys. I am a stay at home mother. How do I teach them to navigate this world?  There is complexity here that is tricky. And my visceral reaction to the photo is actually personally interesting to me.

I agree, that is very interesting, both for your own internal reaction, and the choices of the marketer/art design team who composed it. 

I do think such things are not "accidental" or "coincidental" at all. 

[EKS]

3 minutes ago, Pawz4me said:

Unless you can prove otherwise, then I think I'll accept Regeneron's own description as being the correct one:

Throughout the press release they refer to it as "two monoclonal antibodies" and never as a "polyclonal cocktail." Now I don't claim to be an expert. Perhaps "polyclonal cocktail" is acceptable. But I would think to be most correct one would use the manufacturer's description.

I worked with monoclonal antibodies for an entire decade of my life.  I am an actual expert on the terminology.  It is fine to call it any of those things.  You are focusing on something that does not matter and certainly doesn't point to a lack of knowledge on the doctor's part.

[Corraleno]

Chris Christie has checked himself into the hospital, saying that although he only has "mild symptoms" he is being cautious.

Sen. Ron Johnson was asked why he attended a political event after he was tested and before he received the results, and he said he didn't expect to test positive so he saw no reason to quarantine. <head desk>

[The Ghost of Æthelthryth]

Trump posted a video in the last 15 minutes on Twitter if anyone is interested. 

[lewelma]

6 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

Sen. Ron Johnson was asked why he attended a political event after he was tested and before he received the results, and he said he didn't expect to test positive so he saw no reason to quarantine. <head desk>

Here in NZ, the entire 200 people would have been asked to go into self isolation for 14 days regardless of getting a negative test, as they were close contacts given the general mingling. Transmission can take 14 days, and also there are false negatives. Contract tracing is how you can *stop* transmission, not just how you identify who is likely to have it.

Edited October 3, 2020 by lewelma

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1 minute ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Same thing for me when Stella left.  I saw things turning nasty, wanted to post a supportive comment and then got side tracked and by the time I came back she was gone.  Still kinda sad about that.

I hate when people leave even the ones I mostly disagree with.  I can get the conservative viewpoint from most of the other homeschool boards (lib viewpoint is harder to find) but it’s unlikely to be as well thought out and articulated as it is here.  Though I do totally understand the need to step away sometimes.

Yes, I greatly enjoyed Stella's voice on here, and I have greatly enjoyed Bagels'/AM's voice on here. 

Personally, there are a couple of topics where I (now) know my view on the prevailing opinion is not a common one and, at this point, I just don't go there. It's not something I want to debate about and so I don't participate in threads on those few subjects. I don't initiate threads on those topics. I just pretend like those topics do not exist because I have stepped in it before and I temporarily left this board because of it. 

But on the whole, I am hugely grateful for all of the debates, some of them contentious, that I have participated in here, as well as some I have just observed from afar because I had not defined my own views yet. This, btw, does include specifically a couple of threads Bagels' started or where she held the dominant opposing view. My current worldview has been shaped very heavily by threads on WTM; some I have participated in, some I have observed. 

Overall, these boards used to skew much more uber-conservative, religious Christian; at least, that was the substantial impression I got when I first came on here. (I mostly read but didn't post in the first 2 years or so I was on here.) I even remember specific threads about issues that seem laughably inconsequential now and I cannot imagine a 7-page thread debating moms wearing bikinis at a public pool or beach now. At the time, I also spent a lot of time on another popular mothering board that was specifically Christian and was Attachment Parenting. There was a lot of overlap of members on that board and this one at the time. 

It's interesting how much it has changed...and I have changed along the way, too. 

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6 minutes ago, Æthelflæd said:

Trump posted a video in the last 15 minutes on Twitter if anyone is interested. 

He looks pretty bad. Reminds me of some of the videos of Boris Johnson.

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1 minute ago, Quill said:

Overall, these boards used to skew much more uber-conservative, religious Christian; at least, that was the substantial impression I got when I first came on here. (I mostly read but didn't post in the first 2 years or so I was on here.) I even remember specific threads about issues that seem laughably inconsequential now and I cannot imagine a 7-page thread debating moms wearing bikinis at a public pool or beach now. At the time, I also spent a lot of time on another popular mothering board that was specifically Christian and was Attachment Parenting. There was a lot of overlap of members on that board and this one at the time. 

Okay, now I'm curious.  I think I'm going to start a thread and see if I can re-create the fun of the old days.  I'm pretty sure I remember that thread.  

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12 minutes ago, EKS said:

I worked with monoclonal antibodies for an entire decade of my life.  I am an actual expert on the terminology.  It is fine to call it any of those things.  You are focusing on something that does not matter and certainly doesn't point to a lack of knowledge on the doctor's part.

No, I'm not focusing on it. Far from it. But given the other discrepancies in the doctor's statements (written and oral) I did think it was worth noting.