Personal covid experiences

[Pen]

3 minutes ago, TCB said:

I don’t know levels, but I looked after someone last week who was very sick and he told me he had been taking Vit D and zinc religiously every day. Of course not that one person really tells you anything but I thought it was interesting.

and without knowing levels one really doesn’t know...   in one Video Dr Been took his levels and was surprised to find them low.

I also have a relative who was taking D daily but when tested found out they were still low— not single digit type low, but iirc under 30.

[Ausmumof3]

6 hours ago, Pen said:

and without knowing levels one really doesn’t know...   in one Video Dr Been took his levels and was surprised to find them low.

I also have a relative who was taking D daily but when tested found out they were still low— not single digit type low, but iirc under 30.

I think there’s another forum member who has said similar that their levels drop really quickly.

[Mrs Tiggywinkle]

My MIL had it last month. She didn’t really tell anyone, because she stays home all the time anyway and I was sick and she didn’t want to worry us.  She has severe asthma and lung issues, to the point she’s hospitalized several times a year.  We’d been concerned about her catching it.

She had 48 hours of mild symptoms and then nothing. She’s had no residual effects.

My father in law had three negative tests.

[Not_a_Number]

10 minutes ago, Mrs Tiggywinkle said:

My MIL had it last month. She didn’t really tell anyone, because she stays home all the time anyway and I was sick and she didn’t want to worry us.  She has severe asthma and lung issues, to the point she’s hospitalized several times a year.  We’d been concerned about her catching it.

She had 48 hours of mild symptoms and then nothing. She’s had no residual effects.

My father in law had three negative tests.

I'm glad she had a mild case!

[SKL]

A 40yo mom I know had an incident this past weekend.  She began to have muscle pains and a rash (painless, not itchy), with no obvious cause.  She went to the ER and had lots of tests, but still no clue.  They transferred her to the nearby state-of-the-art hospital to be further examined.  Ultimately they decided that she was experiencing post-Covid symptoms.  They say she had Covid about a month earlier.

Odd thing is, she had zero Covid symptoms during Covid.  Neither did anyone else in her large family, nor was she aware of any exposures around the pertinent time.  [Her kids were attending in-person at 4 different schools, and there was no known spread there either.]  I am not really sure I believe this was a Covid thing, but I'm not God.

She was out of pain and released the next day.  Back to her normal busy life.

This makes me wonder how many times doctors have declared a mystery illness to be Covid, without any evidence.  I mean mystery illnesses happen.  This particular woman has had a history of health issues (she had thyroid cancer for one thing), and she was also on a diet I would consider a bit extreme.  She also has 4 young kids, is very busy, and puts a lot of stress on herself, particularly around the holidays.  I'm no doctor, but given the facts, I wouldn't default to Covid with zero evidence that anyone had Covid.

Edited December 2, 2020 by SKL

[Not_a_Number]

Just now, SKL said:

I'm no doctor, but given the facts, I wouldn't default to Covid with zero evidence that anyone had Covid.

Yeah, that's weird. I'm sure people right now might be offering that as a default assumption, given how much COVID there has been recently. (And it DOES have these weird after-effects, even with an asymptomatic infection. So it's possible. But I wouldn't assume it, either.) 

[SKL]

ugh double post

 

Edited December 2, 2020 by SKL

[SKL]

4 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

Yeah, that's weird. I'm sure people right now might be offering that as a default assumption, given how much COVID there has been recently. (And it DOES have these weird after-effects, even with an asymptomatic infection. So it's possible. But I wouldn't assume it, either.) 

And now I am wondering what this kind of thing is doing to the "case numbers" in our state ....

[Not_a_Number]

Just now, SKL said:

And now I am wondering what this kind of thing is doing to the "case numbers" in our state ....

Nothing. It's doing nothing, since most states are reporting positive PCR tests and not probable cases. 

[MEmama]

1 minute ago, SKL said:

A 40yo mom I know had an incident this past weekend.  She began to have muscle pains and a rash (painless, not itchy), with no obvious cause.  She went to the ER and had lots of tests, but still no clue.  They transferred her to the nearby state-of-the-art hospital to be further examined.  Ultimately they decided that she was experiencing post-Covid symptoms.  They say she had Covid about a month earlier.

Odd thing is, she had zero Covid symptoms during Covid.  Neither did anyone else in her large family, nor was she aware of any exposures around the pertinent time.  I am not really sure I believe this was a Covid thing, but I'm not God.

She was out of pain and released the next day.  Back to her normal busy life.

This makes me wonder how many times doctors have declared a mystery illness to be Covid, without any evidence.  I mean mystery illnesses happen.  This particular woman has had a history of health issues (she had thyroid cancer for one thing), and she was also on a diet I would consider a bit extreme.  She also has 4 young kids, is very busy, and puts a lot of stress on herself, particularly around the holidays.  I'm no doctor, but given the facts, I wouldn't default to Covid with zero evidence that anyone had Covid.

I’d guess that they’ve seen enough oddities like that to be reasonably sure of their diagnosis.

One winter DS suddenly experienced severe leg pain and a swollen knee. It came on so quickly and got so bad he couldn’t walk at all, so DH rushed him to the doctor. The doctor who happened to available is a Lyme specialist and she immediately suspected Lyme (he subsequently tested positive). Mind you, this was in the winter with lots of snow on the ground. Lyme would have never, ever occurred to us and most doctors would have missed the diagnosis. Turns out the presentation of his symptoms likely meant he had been infected a *year* or so beforehand; she knew that only because she had seen it before in kids his age  (pediatric Lyme being her specialty). We, of course, had no idea, nor would most doctors.

I can’t imagine any benefit for a doctor to tell someone that their seemingly random symptoms are likely COVID related (with a timeline no less) if they don’t have good reason to. It is common knowledge that an enormous percentage of carriers are asymptomatic or have such mild symptoms that they were unaware they had it at all. It wouldn’t be surprising at all if that’s the case.

[kbutton]

16 minutes ago, SKL said:

And now I am wondering what this kind of thing is doing to the "case numbers" in our state ....

I think our state is quite strict with how they count cases. They list probable cases separately and have strict criteria for probably cases (generally have to have specific symptoms, confirmed exposure, a family member has it, etc.). I believe part of their test backlog has to do with antigen tests requiring "confirmation" because they don't want to report false positives.

There is no conspiracy in our state, except one to unseat the governor and hobble all ability to respond to this and future emergencies.

[kbutton]

I have a relative in his late 70s with COVID, and it's not looking good. He's hospitalized. 

[SKL]

6 minutes ago, MEmama said:

I’d guess that they’ve seen enough oddities like that to be reasonably sure of their diagnosis.

One winter DS suddenly experienced severe leg pain and a swollen knee. It came on so quickly and got so bad he couldn’t walk at all, so DH rushed him to the doctor. The doctor who happened to available is a Lyme specialist and she immediately suspected Lyme (he subsequently tested positive). Mind you, this was in the winter with lots of snow on the ground. Lyme would have never, ever occurred to us and most doctors would have missed the diagnosis. Turns out the presentation of his symptoms likely meant he had been infected a *year* or so beforehand; she knew that only because she had seen it before in kids his age  (pediatric Lyme being her specialty). We, of course, had no idea, nor would most doctors.

I can’t imagine any benefit for a doctor to tell someone that their seemingly random symptoms are likely COVID related (with a timeline no less) if they don’t have good reason to. It is common knowledge that an enormous percentage of carriers are asymptomatic or have such mild symptoms that they were unaware they had it at all. It wouldn’t be surprising at all if that’s the case.

I dunno, it did take them a long time to come up with the Covid theory.  Her friends actually suspected Lyme first, because she sleeps outside in a tent for months at a time.  She said the docs asked her a bunch of questions about that.  But it really sounds like they decided to call it Covid because nothing else conveniently fit.

I know many Covid cases are asymptomatic, but it seems doubtful that it wouldn't show up at all with a big, active family living in close quarters, kids going to 4 different schools + multiple sports activities.  Color me skeptical.

[Scarlett]

I know so so many people who have it now.  Very scary. Be safe everyone .

[catz]

It may or may not have been covid.  I'm prone to autoimmune type stress related health quirks and they have included rashes and unexplained aches and pains (I have tried to be more mindful about holding tension during stressful times).  I don't head to the doctor for those type of issues unless they sustain for a week or so and aren't improving.  

That said, it does nothing to covid numbers at all.  And if she has some sort of ongoing issue, it will rise again and they'll likely figure it out.  Throwing out a softball explanation valid or not for unexplained symptoms that appear to be improving isn't some new thing for doctors.  They do it ALL the time.    I had a period of my life where I went to a series of specialists for an issue and really none of them had a clue.  

[Scarlett]

11 minutes ago, FuzzyCatz said:

It may or may not have been covid.  I'm prone to autoimmune type stress related health quirks and they have included rashes and unexplained aches and pains (I have tried to be more mindful about holding tension during stressful times).  I don't head to the doctor for those type of issues unless they sustain for a week or so and aren't improving.  

That said, it does nothing to covid numbers at all.  And if she has some sort of ongoing issue, it will rise again and they'll likely figure it out.  Throwing out a softball explanation valid or not for unexplained symptoms that appear to be improving isn't some new thing for doctors.  They do it ALL the time.    I had a period of my life where I went to a series of specialists for an issue and really none of them had a clue.  

Right.  And no where near the same thing as 'you could die from a gunshot on the northside of Tulsa and they would rule it Covid death.'  (an actual line from someone I know)

Edited December 2, 2020 by Scarlett

[Jean in Newcastle]

51 minutes ago, FuzzyCatz said:

It may or may not have been covid.  I'm prone to autoimmune type stress related health quirks and they have included rashes and unexplained aches and pains (I have tried to be more mindful about holding tension during stressful times).  I don't head to the doctor for those type of issues unless they sustain for a week or so and aren't improving.  

That said, it does nothing to covid numbers at all.  And if she has some sort of ongoing issue, it will rise again and they'll likely figure it out.  Throwing out a softball explanation valid or not for unexplained symptoms that appear to be improving isn't some new thing for doctors.  They do it ALL the time.    I had a period of my life where I went to a series of specialists for an issue and really none of them had a clue.  

Exactly.  I have over thirty years of doctor guesses.  My doctor made some guesses on my mystery 6 week illness in February/March.  But his guesses don't go on any official count.  In my case though they did an actual antibody test.  Those results (which were negative btw) would go on official counts for antibody tests - not for anything else. 

[Not_a_Number]

1 hour ago, kbutton said:

I have a relative in his late 70s with COVID, and it's not looking good. He's hospitalized. 

Oh no 😞 

[Not_a_Number]

1 hour ago, SKL said:

I dunno, it did take them a long time to come up with the Covid theory.  Her friends actually suspected Lyme first, because she sleeps outside in a tent for months at a time.  She said the docs asked her a bunch of questions about that.  But it really sounds like they decided to call it Covid because nothing else conveniently fit.

I know many Covid cases are asymptomatic, but it seems doubtful that it wouldn't show up at all with a big, active family living in close quarters, kids going to 4 different schools + multiple sports activities.  Color me skeptical.

Something like 70 percent of people spread to no one at all. So it really wouldn’t be that weird. 

Now, I wouldn’t bet money on being COVID, either. It’s a guess. But it’s not ridiculous, either.

[Terabith]

6 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I think there’s another forum member who has said similar that their levels drop really quickly.

That's me.  Our whole family has a weird vitamin D thing.  (Well, myself, my kids, my sister, my mother.)  My oldest's level was 7 at one point.  I took high dose vitamin D religiously and couldn't get my level over 30 until I got a formulation with K2.  I haven't had it checked recently because my doctor refuses to check it (because apparently a normal level at any point makes insurance reluctant to pay for it?), but my oldest had gotten theirs up to 65.  

Edited December 2, 2020 by Terabith

[Bootsie]

3 hours ago, MEmama said:

I can’t imagine any benefit for a doctor to tell someone that their seemingly random symptoms are likely COVID related (with a timeline no less) if they don’t have good reason to. It is common knowledge that an enormous percentage of carriers are asymptomatic or have such mild symptoms that they were unaware they had it at all. It wouldn’t be surprising at all if that’s the case.

Some depends on the insurance/payment situation.  In some instances, the payment for care will be covered at a higher level if the condition in COVID than something else

[Wheres Toto]

5 hours ago, SKL said:

I dunno, it did take them a long time to come up with the Covid theory.  Her friends actually suspected Lyme first, because she sleeps outside in a tent for months at a time.  She said the docs asked her a bunch of questions about that.  But it really sounds like they decided to call it Covid because nothing else conveniently fit.

I know many Covid cases are asymptomatic, but it seems doubtful that it wouldn't show up at all with a big, active family living in close quarters, kids going to 4 different schools + multiple sports activities.  Color me skeptical.

I would assume one of the test they did was an antibody test which led them to conclude a post-Covid syndrome.  

[Not_a_Number]

Just now, DorothyNJ said:

I would assume one of the test they did was an antibody test which led them to conclude a post-Covid syndrome.  

Yeah, that would certainly confirm the diagnosis. Although antibodies do fade, so I don't know if it'd be NECESSARY for them to tentatively decide it may have been post-COVID stuff. (Of course, this isn't a high degree of certainty.) 

[Emba]

I started having the tiniest tickle in my throat and occasional small dry cough the Sunday before Thanksgiving. That evening,  muscle aches and chills began.  Next day had a sore throat, fever, headache, muscle aches were worse. I went to get tested (free test through state of New Mexico). Told it would be four to seven days for result. After that day I never had a fever again, but my cough got worse and I had a strange feeling in my chest - not pain, just something different and maybe a feeling like it was slightly harder than normal to breathe. I was also very tired. On Thanksgiving I noticed a tiny bit of congestion, but I could still breathe through my nose. DD made brownies, though, and I couldn’t smell them at all. We didn’t go anywhere for Thanksgiving, of course. Next day i felt like I had a terrible head cold - sneezing, running nose, sinus pain.  Day after that all head cold stuff was gone, back to fatigue, headache, sore throat, and cough, but all of it pretty mild. Since then I’ve just been feeling better day by day, though the cough is hanging around. No more of feeling in my chest. Today, eleven days after I got tested, some lady from the state of New Mexico called me to “follow up on my case”. I’m positive for Covid.

 No one else in the house is showing symptoms.

 We didn’t go to my in-laws for Thanksgiving. my BIL didn’t go because he had been exposed to a coworker who had Covid and was showing symptoms. Only my SIL went. Almost as soon as she went home after her visit, she tested positive, and now MIL and FIL have it. They seem to have very mild cases so far, but I worry because MIL has cancer and is in the middle of chemo  treatments.

DD just told me that her friend’s mom had been hospitalized for COVID for “Like three weeks”, on a ventilator, or that’s my interpretation of “they had to put a thing”(she mimed putting something over her mouth) “to help her breathe “ neither she nor her friend are great communicators though, and I realized afterwards that she could have also meant oxygen, and I could have jumped to a conclusion . But surely if she’s been hospitalized that long it wouldn’t be just oxygen?

Edited December 4, 2020 by Emba
Had put wrong holiday

[Starr]

6 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:

My parents are doing better but they are still totally wiped out. They are both exhausted most of the time. My mother is beginning to have some gastro symptoms. I think they are doing better and thankfully never had any breathing issues. 

My sister never had any major symptoms but reports feeling fatigued. 

They were all exposed about 3 weeks ago. 

 

 

I'm glad they are doing better but so sorry it's taking so long.

[Guest]

On 12/2/2020 at 11:52 AM, Scarlett said:

I know so so many people who have it now.  Very scary. Be safe everyone .

In my few, couple of minutes looking at FB yesterday, I *even still* saw a post from a covid skeptic, wondering where all these people sick or dying of covid are, because the poster still doesn’t know one person who has had or died from it. I wanted to say, “Be careful what you wish for, honey!” 

It’s really difficult for me to understand that point of view. 

[fairfarmhand]

6 hours ago, kand said:

Thanks for mentioning the vitamin K. I’m tryi to get my D up after testing low, and have one formulation with K2 and one without. The one with K tastes bad, so I always use the other. Maybe I will start using the yucky one with K2 (does K have a bad taste? Both are olive oil based so I don’t understand what making that one taste bad. Kind of concerns me to take it.)

How fresh is it? Olive oil can go rancid.

[fairfarmhand]

4 hours ago, Quill said:

In my few, couple of minutes looking at FB yesterday, I *even still* saw a post from a covid skeptic, wondering where all these people sick or dying of covid are, because the poster still doesn’t know one person who has had or died from it. I wanted to say, “Be careful what you wish for, honey!” 

It’s really difficult for me to understand that point of view. 

Yes, we knew nobody until June who got it, but now it’s everywhere. 

[Carrie12345]

Almost a week in, ds reports that he doesn’t feel any better, but he doesn’t seem to be getting worse. He’s pretty miserable.

[ktgrok]

I felt sort of weak and just "off" on Wednesday evening. I had signed up for a zoom 1 hour beginner DDP yoga class and kept having to modify, which isn't normal for me. Later had stomach upset, bloating, felt like I might throw up. Yesterday didn't feel like I was going to throw up but was gassy, bloated, and headachy a little bit, with some diarrhea. Felt sort of flushed, but no fever. Today I feel fine. I DID try a new sweetener, Xylitol, on Wednesday afternoon, which can cause GI symptoms but I can't imagine all that feeling yucky was from that? Also, Monday DD3 was feeling unwell, "not like me" and was tired and cranky and fell asleep hours early.  I feel fine today, and am getting a covid test on sunday as a screening before my endoscopy on wednesday. 

Edited December 4, 2020 by ktgrok

[Spryte]

FIL’s nursing home roommate was removed from the room today.  Tested positive, but asymptomatic.  So far, FIL has tested negative.  There’s an outbreak on his floor.  3 residents, 2 staff.

MIL is in the same facility, in the quarantine wing.  She’s been there two weeks and was due to join FIL any day.  Now she has to wait in the quarantine wing, with the Covid patients.

This is nerve-wracking.

[YaelAldrich]

Update: my daughter (in F2F school) and I tested again 6 days after our trip to see my parents. Negative again. Whew. 

The elementary school that the teacher I mentioned having Covid and only finding out through testing she did to visit family (the results only came back AFTER she came back 🙄) now has one confirmed case in a class that she didn't teach in a separate building (but siblings of most of the students are in both locations).  All the girls she actually taught while assumedly sick have come back negative and will restart school Monday.

My daughter goes back to school on Monday but with an upgraded Totobobo. I'm moving her from the N96 filter to the N99. She's good about never taking her mask off where anyone is in school, eats her lunch in the stairwell by herself.  

[TravelingChris]

On 12/4/2020 at 4:48 AM, Quill said:

In my few, couple of minutes looking at FB yesterday, I *even still* saw a post from a covid skeptic, wondering where all these people sick or dying of covid are, because the poster still doesn’t know one person who has had or died from it. I wanted to say, “Be careful what you wish for, honey!” 

It’s really difficult for me to understand that point of view. 

I don't know anyone who has had it or died from it personally. That doesn't mean I don't believe it is a pandemic, just that I am lucky.

[Drama Llama]

On 12/2/2020 at 11:46 AM, SKL said:

I dunno, it did take them a long time to come up with the Covid theory.  Her friends actually suspected Lyme first, because she sleeps outside in a tent for months at a time.  She said the docs asked her a bunch of questions about that.  But it really sounds like they decided to call it Covid because nothing else conveniently fit.

I know many Covid cases are asymptomatic, but it seems doubtful that it wouldn't show up at all with a big, active family living in close quarters, kids going to 4 different schools + multiple sports activities.  Color me skeptical.

What are her antibody tests like?

[Guest]

6 hours ago, TravelingChris said:

I don't know anyone who has had it or died from it personally. That doesn't mean I don't believe it is a pandemic, just that I am lucky.

Right. This is not the tone of the poster Im speaking of, though. They were saying it sneeringly. They even put the word pandemic in quotes. 

[Not_a_Number]

As for COVID updates around here, an ambulance apparently again took away the my in-laws' neighbor's dad. 

I'm getting quite nervous about our pod -- having a lot of adults all in the same place increases the odds of getting COVID a fair amount, even if everyone is very locked down (as we are.) I'm not sure if I can do anything about it, though.

[*Jessica*]

Our former neighbor’s friend died of COVID yesterday.  She was in her early 70s.  

[Not_a_Number]

Just now, StillJessica said:

Our former neighbor’s friend died of COVID yesterday.  She was in her early 70s.  

I'm really sorry to hear that 😞 . 

Oh, come to think of it, a friend of my in laws died of COVID a few days ago, too... she was in her 90s. 

My MIL is having trouble with the whole "if you aren't locked down, your bubble is VERY BIG" concept 😕 . She keeps talking about how she doesn't understand how this could be, since this woman never went anywhere. Well... yeah, but she lived with her son and two caregivers, and those people went plenty of places 😞 . 

[AmandaVT]

26 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

As for COVID updates around here, an ambulance apparently again took away the my in-laws' neighbor's dad. 

I'm getting quite nervous about our pod -- having a lot of adults all in the same place increases the odds of getting COVID a fair amount, even if everyone is very locked down (as we are.) I'm not sure if I can do anything about it, though.

Vermont isn't allowed to pod anymore - we have been told no multi household gatherings, at all. The exception is for people that live alone, they can choose one family to gather with. We can also go for an outdoor, masked walk with one person. That's it. No more "safe people". It's *really* fun asking students during school screenings if they've had any playdates or if they've seen anyone outside of their immediate house. 🤦‍♀️

[Not_a_Number]

3 minutes ago, AmandaVT said:

Vermont isn't allowed to pod anymore - we have been told no multi household gatherings, at all. The exception is for people that live alone, they can choose one family to gather with. We can also go for an outdoor, masked walk with one person. That's it. No more "safe people". It's *really* fun asking students during school screenings if they've had any playdates or if they've seen anyone outside of their immediate house. 🤦‍♀️

I wouldn't mind if they had a shelter in place again here, but I can't imagine being the person that breaks our pod up 😕 . 

The local positivity is still under 2 percent, so it's not that bad here yet. So breaking it up doesn't seem warranted... but it's making me nervous, given how things are going. 

[AmandaVT]

32 minutes ago, Not_a_Number said:

I wouldn't mind if they had a shelter in place again here, but I can't imagine being the person that breaks our pod up 😕 . 

The local positivity is still under 2 percent, so it's not that bad here yet. So breaking it up doesn't seem warranted... but it's making me nervous, given how things are going. 

My county is still under 1% positivity, but we have had a few days of cases over 100/day for the state. Our governor has been trying hard to keep us out of getting into a scary place (like RI right now - I'm horrified at my home state!)

[Terabith]

I have a friend in the DC area whose father has Parkinson's and contracted COVID in September.  My friend also caught it from him when helping him and was sick with fairly mild COVID symptoms all through September  Basically, it was bad cold/ flu for both of them, and they recovered within a month.  However, her father had to go back to the hospital this week for a procedure.  While there, however, father was tested for covid and it came up positive again.  My friend is symptomatic again.  So, less than three months time to reinfection?

Last Saturday my oldest got a stomach bug and other flu like symptoms (fever, headache, body aches).  We took them to urgent care, where a covid test was negative, but then I came down with it on Thursday, too.  I figure odds are low but I went and got a covid test yesterday, just to be safe.  

Edited December 6, 2020 by Terabith

[Pen]

47 minutes ago, AmandaVT said:

Vermont isn't allowed to pod anymore - we have been told no multi household gatherings, at all. The exception is for people that live alone, they can choose one family to gather with. We can also go for an outdoor, masked walk with one person. That's it. No more "safe people". It's *really* fun asking students during school screenings if they've had any playdates or if they've seen anyone outside of their immediate house. 🤦‍♀️

our state has a 6 person maximum gathering number inside own homes - I didn’t read tules in detail to see what nuclear families larger than six are supposed to do. (Faith based gatherings can be up to 25 indoors)

people are supposed to inform on violators, though to non emergency police number, not 911 after 911 was overloaded with calls.  I suppose children are supposed to tell on parents?     🤦‍♀️ 

[Terabith]

I keep messing up trying to edit

[MEmama]

37 minutes ago, AmandaVT said:

My county is still under 1% positivity, but we have had a few days of cases over 100/day for the state. Our governor has been trying hard to keep us out of getting into a scary place (like RI right now - I'm horrified at my home state!)

Maine had its first (and so far only 🤞) day over 300 this week. Positivity rate jumped from 2+% to 4+%. 

I’m really impressed with our governor, too, and so far the schools seem to be doing the right things as well as far as containing potential outbreaks. 

[Terabith]

23 minutes ago, Pen said:

our state has a 6 person maximum gathering number inside own homes - I didn’t read tules in detail to see what nuclear families larger than six are supposed to do. (Faith based gatherings can be up to 25 indoors)

people are supposed to inform on violators, though to non emergency police number, not 911 after 911 was overloaded with calls.  I suppose children are supposed to tell on parents?     🤦‍♀️ 

I keep wondering about nuclear families bigger than six.  There have to be a bunch of them.  

[MEmama]

7 minutes ago, Terabith said:

I keep wondering about nuclear families bigger than six.  There have to be a bunch of them.  

I’m sure those are intended for extended family/friends. A gathering is different than a family.

Some people freaked out here when our governor mandated that masks be worn in all public places. But hunting! But my property! But hiking in a remote area! No, those aren’t considered public areas...calm down. Sidewalks yes, woods no. 
 

I'm far more concerned about churches. Those are known vectors that affect the wider community. 

Edited December 6, 2020 by MEmama

[Amy Gen]

Yesterday was my youngest’s birthday. We were at a swim meet. I was in charge of safety. We had circles on the pavement marking how far away from each other kids needed to stay. Parents had to stay outside the fence and I had marshals posted every few feet who reminded kids to keep their masks on and to stay in their area. I thought it went really well. 
 

One little girl, swam one race and then her dad scooped her up and left. It turned out he had just gotten a text that her mom tested positive. I was really thankful that we had been diligent in our precautions. 
 

The teenagers finished early and wanted to hangout off the pool deck while their younger siblings swam. I kept peeking through the fence when they didn’t know I was looking and they were all sitting on their blankets spaced far apart and wearing their masks. 
 

We are in the Bay Area and our county has not chosen to lock down before the state mandated criteria is met concerning available ICU beds. Nevertheless, we know it is coming. It is unlikely that we will be allowed to hold our December 19th meet and the pool is threatening to shut down on Tuesday although we are negotiating to be allowed to continue to rent it when it is closed because we have our own lifeguards. 
 

I feel conflicted about the looming lockdown. On the one hand, I’m an immune comprised introvert, and it sounds like absolute heaven to sleep late, do a little school or Christmas craft and then play Animal Crossing in the afternoons. 
 

On the other hand, I know how much depression skyrocketed within our kid friend group and with my own kids the last time we shut down. They benefit so much from the intense daily exercise and ability to see their friends outside and masked when they are not actively immersed in chlorinated water. I fear that if our kids are not allowed to practice, it will drive gatherings indoor, and in our climate that isn’t necessarily during the winter. 
 

Of course, we will comply with the law (unlike some of our infamous politicians), but I would feel better if I could see how what activities are closing was actually based on what activities have the most risk. 
 

I’m open to getting new information and having my mind changed, but I’ve been a PS teacher. Schools are full of germs. I can not agree that schools being allowed to meet in person is less dangerous than letting kids swim outside. 
 

I guess I’d prefer an all or nothing approach. Go ahead and close outdoor activities and outdoor dining which I feel has a lower risk, but go ahead and commit and close schools, and churches and shut down protests rather than cherry picking closures based on factors other than documented risk. 

[sassenach]

23 minutes ago, Amy Gen said:

Yesterday was my youngest’s birthday. We were at a swim meet. I was in charge of safety. We had circles on the pavement marking how far away from each other kids needed to stay. Parents had to stay outside the fence and I had marshals posted every few feet who reminded kids to keep their masks on and to stay in their area. I thought it went really well. 
 

One little girl, swam one race and then her dad scooped her up and left. It turned out he had just gotten a text that her mom tested positive. I was really thankful that we had been diligent in our precautions. 
 

The teenagers finished early and wanted to hangout off the pool deck while their younger siblings swam. I kept peeking through the fence when they didn’t know I was looking and they were all sitting on their blankets spaced far apart and wearing their masks. 
 

We are in the Bay Area and our county has not chosen to lock down before the state mandated criteria is met concerning available ICU beds. Nevertheless, we know it is coming. It is unlikely that we will be allowed to hold our December 19th meet and the pool is threatening to shut down on Tuesday although we are negotiating to be allowed to continue to rent it when it is closed because we have our own lifeguards. 
 

I feel conflicted about the looming lockdown. On the one hand, I’m an immune comprised introvert, and it sounds like absolute heaven to sleep late, do a little school or Christmas craft and then play Animal Crossing in the afternoons. 
 

On the other hand, I know how much depression skyrocketed within our kid friend group and with my own kids the last time we shut down. They benefit so much from the intense daily exercise and ability to see their friends outside and masked when they are not actively immersed in chlorinated water. I fear that if our kids are not allowed to practice, it will drive gatherings indoor, and in our climate that isn’t necessarily during the winter. 
 

Of course, we will comply with the law (unlike some of our infamous politicians), but I would feel better if I could see how what activities are closing was actually based on what activities have the most risk. 
 

I’m open to getting new information and having my mind changed, but I’ve been a PS teacher. Schools are full of germs. I can not agree that schools being allowed to meet in person is less dangerous than letting kids swim outside. 
 

I guess I’d prefer an all or nothing approach. Go ahead and close outdoor activities and outdoor dining which I feel has a lower risk, but go ahead and commit and close schools, and churches and shut down protests rather than cherry picking closures based on factors other than documented risk. 

I didn’t know that any of the bay counties were holding out. Marin has more than 50% of its ICU beds available and it locked down with everyone else.

I think I fall on the other end from you. I know of at least 2 businesses that will probably not survive this round. I wish were using a scalpel instead of a hacksaw. It’s heartbreaking to know that a business that has had zero transmissions and is doing everything right is going to close down. 

Edited December 6, 2020 by sassenach

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1 hour ago, Terabith said:

My friend is symptomatic again.  So, less than three months time to reinfection?

I just read about one case where it turned out the virus was never fully cleared: 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some

Might be the case here.