hopeallgoeswell Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Any one else waiting to see what happens with this? https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/MotionforPIcomplete.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The UC system has had vaccine requirements in place for years, as do many other universities. Requiring influenza vaccination as well seems quite reasonable. 11 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaelAldrich Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Massachusetts is requiring everyone who goes to school or college, public or private, to get the flu vaccine this year. People are saying homeschooling will get another bump up from this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanDiegoMom Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I'm pretty sure they've always required it, haven't they? My daughter's in her fourth year at a UC and has gotten the flu shot every year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, kdsuomi said: Well, the Constitutionalist thinks all vaccine mandates that don't have a religious exemption are unconstitutional, so there's that. If they truly allow exemptions for employees but not students, that had better get struck down because there's no reason for it. There's a long history of courts upholding vaccination requirements without religious exemptions. https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/where-does-the-governments-right-to-require-vaccinations-come-from 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawyer&Mom Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Attending a UC at all is entirely optional. I suspect this challenge will fail. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Good for them. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I would think this will happen when the covid vaccine comes out too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingChris Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, mommyoffive said: I would think this will happen when the covid vaccine comes out too. I think it will be mandatory for many, many things not just school. Things like airplane flights, entrance to other countries, cruises, etc. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Covid vaccine may well be mandated by colleges and such once it becomes widely available. That's probably going to take awhile. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeallgoeswell Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) For any one who is following this: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/09-03-20-U-of-CA-Complaint-with-exhibits.pdf and https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/physicians-for-informed-consent-sends-cautionary-letter-to-uc-board-of-regents-regarding-its-new-flu-shot-mandate-emphasizes-lack-of-scientific-basis/. Edited September 28, 2020 by hopeallgoeswell added another link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Fiat Lux Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmichigan Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, hopeallgoeswell said: For any one who is following this: https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/physicians-for-informed-consent-sends-cautionary-letter-to-uc-board-of-regents-regarding-its-new-flu-shot-mandate-emphasizes-lack-of-scientific-basis/. The link to the actual letter has much more information and all of the citations. I researched their first "fact" and that was it for me. There is supporting voluntary vaccination, and there is intentionally misconstruing science and statistics to support a particular viewpoint. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catz Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I don't know exactly how UCs are handling this year, but my kid's big 10 campus has offered almost everything with an online section. They moved even more stuff online moving into the semester. It is not mandatory for students to be on campus at all. Students are taking classes around the world right now. So it's not like their isn't an accommodation for students who cannot or will not be vaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not_a_Number Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, melmichigan said: I researched their first "fact" and that was it for me. There is supporting voluntary vaccination, and there is intentionally misconstruing science and statistics to support a particular viewpoint. Where in the world did they get that?? I've never heard anything of the sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeallgoeswell Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, FuzzyCatz said: I don't know exactly how UCs are handling this year, but my kid's big 10 campus has offered almost everything with an online section. They moved even more stuff online moving into the semester. It is not mandatory for students to be on campus at all. Students are taking classes around the world right now. So it's not like their isn't an accommodation for students who cannot or will not be vaccinated. It appears that even if students are 100% online, unless they have a medical exemption, they have to get it. The employees who will be on campus will have to get it unless they have a medical exemption. Religious exemption requests will be adjudicated for employees only, not students. https://www.ucop.edu/uc-health/_files/UC Immunization Exemption Policy.pdf https://ucnet.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/2020/08/img/2020-21-flu-vaccination-executive-order.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeallgoeswell Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, melmichigan said: I researched their first "fact" and that was it for me. There is supporting voluntary vaccination, and there is intentionally misconstruing science and statistics to support a particular viewpoint. Was this the study you researched? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7115556/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusyMom5 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 We don't usually get the flu vaccine, but if my kid is living in a dorm, I have no issue with it being required. I think its reasonable to require vaccines for easily communicable illnesses if people are sharing close spaces. I don't agree that off campus should be required. I'm not sure how we will handle Covid vaccine, I assume it will be required as well next year- but I will worry about side affects depending on how well tested it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 12:11 PM, mommyoffive said: I would think this will happen when the covid vaccine comes out too. I certainly hope they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmichigan Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, hopeallgoeswell said: Was this the study you researched? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7115556/ The seven "facts" listed in the letter: People who receive the flu vaccine are 65% more likely to contract non-flu viruses and bacteria than people who do not receive the flu vaccine. There is evidence that the flu vaccine doesn’t reduce demand on hospitals. There is no evidence that the flu vaccine prevents the spread of influenza viruses. The flu vaccine has not reduced pneumonia and influenza mortality. The flu vaccine fails to prevent the flu about 65% of the time. Repeat flu vaccination has been shown to increase the likelihood of flu vaccine failure. The overall benefits of flu vaccination and flu vaccine policies are not clear. Edited September 29, 2020 by melmichigan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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