Best multivitamin for teens?

[matrips]

Is there a multivitamin that would eliminate all these supplements I give the kids, and in the same amounts/types?  But without causing anger issues?

We have tried multi-vitamins a few different times over the years ( as toddlers, elementary age, and again at middle school age) but usually stopped within a week or two due to reactions.  Not rashes/ hives type reactions, but anger.  It was weird, and very noticeable.  None of the vitamins had artificial colors or flavors or anything like that. We’re very careful with labels.  They were different brands each time, with the last one being an expensive one from Whole Foods geared for their age and sex.

anyone know what might cause anger type issues from multi-vitamins?  What supplement or vitamin might have been the trigger?  

My kids are teens now and I still don’t give them multi-vitamins. They do eat pretty healthy, but with covid, the amount of pills we take daily has gone up!

They currently take:

magnesium- Magmind

Vit B Complex - pure encapsulations

Vit D3- now

Quercetin

Vitamin C- now

fish oil- Natures Way EFA blend

zinc pincolinate - pure encapsulations

to be added- selenium

 

[Pen]

My first guess on anger would be B6 as pyridoxine

indtead of P5P

 

srcond guess would be 

or an unmethylated form of something for someone who needs methylated (or perhaps Vice versa) 

 

I don’t know of a teen vitamin with a good sized dose of all they are getting individually 

[matrips]

13 minutes ago, Pen said:

My first guess on anger would be B6 as pyridoxine

indtead of P5P

 

srcond guess would be 

or an unmethylated form of something for someone who needs methylated (or perhaps Vice versa) 

 

I don’t know of a teen vitamin with a good sized dose of all they are getting individually 

Was hoping you’d chime in. :). Here’s the label from the b complex they take (pure encapsulations).  So that seems like the pyrodoxine, right?  So that doesn’t seem to be the issue.  How would I know what is methylated or not?  Or how to tell what my kids need?  Has that been know to cause anger/behavior issues?

 

 

Edited August 1, 2020 by matrips

[MercyA]

If you were using gummies, we've had very bad emotional reactions from "natural flavors." They are often chemically identical to "artificial flavors," the only difference being the original source material. It's hit or miss for us. Some are fine and some are not. For a while we had to avoid them completely.

Did the multivitamins contain the natural color annatto? Some people have behavioral reactions to it.

[Spryte]

My teen takes a Thorne Multi, recommended by doc.  Plus Thorne D and a B complex.  I need to add more.
 

Niacin can make my teen irritable.

I really get what you’re saying about anger issues from supplements and meds.  Same teen can’t take most antihistamines or allergy meds, anything with red dye, or ... various supplements.  It’s a balancing act.

[MercyA]

We also use Thorne vitamins!

[klmama]

So, the problem nutrient is in the multivitamins, not in what they are currently taking?  My guess would be copper.  Some people have a pyrrole disorder which can involve anger when copper is elevated or the copper/zinc ratio is off.  

[Pen]

If you can remember what you tried before, compare ingredients to what they have now.  It looks like the B complex pure encapsulations does have methylated. It could be that.  It could be niacinamide and inositol rather than niacin. 

It very well could also be something they were Not getting in a multi vitamin that they are getting now, for example fish oil, magnesium, and D3 all tend to be emotional balances, and a multivitamin probably did not have a lot of any of those. 

I also use Thorne multi btw 

 

[lynn]

Smarty pants teen.  

[Pen]

9 hours ago, klmama said:

So, the problem nutrient is in the multivitamins, not in what they are currently taking?  My guess would be copper.  Some people have a pyrrole disorder which can involve anger when copper is elevated or the copper/zinc ratio is off.  

 

This is very possible.

 

 

[klmama]

OP, if you determine copper is the problem, Kirkman makes some multivitamins without copper and with the other things you want.  Formulations vary, so read ingredients carefully.

[PeterPan]

13 hours ago, matrips said:

How would I know what is methylated or not?

Yes, the MTHF is a methyl version. Are they irritable on this?  Most inexpensive versions are unmthylated. If you have certain methylation cycle defects (genetic) you don't tolerate methyls well. 

[ElizabethB]

Strangely enough, after my food allergies, green tea makes me angry, very irritable; not jumpy, just angry.

I get more regular symptoms from other foods.

I don't tolerate many vitamins now, some I immediately throw up.

Some of these issues started with pregnancy, I tolerated child vitamins better, I just took a double dose.

[matrips]

15 hours ago, MercyA said:

If you were using gummies, we've had very bad emotional reactions from "natural flavors." They are often chemically identical to "artificial flavors," the only difference being the original source material. It's hit or miss for us. Some are fine and some are not. For a while we had to avoid them completely.

Did the multivitamins contain the natural color annatto? Some people have behavioral reactions to it.

No gummies.  We’ve always beeen very careful with labels- avoiding natural flavors as well as annatto.  Thanks though!

[matrips]

13 hours ago, Pen said:

If you can remember what you tried before, compare ingredients to what they have now.  It looks like the B complex pure encapsulations does have methylated. It could be that.  It could be niacinamide and inositol rather than niacin. 

It very well could also be something they were Not getting in a multi vitamin that they are getting now, for example fish oil, magnesium, and D3 all tend to be emotional balances, and a multivitamin probably did not have a lot of any of those. 

I also use Thorne multi btw 

 

The supplements have come about the past couple years.  When we tried multis in the past, we used no supplement or other vitamins at all.

will be looking up niacin, insolital, copper and that other niacin one regarding anger issues.  Thanks for the direction.

[matrips]

13 hours ago, klmama said:

So, the problem nutrient is in the multivitamins, not in what they are currently taking?  My guess would be copper.  Some people have a pyrrole disorder which can involve anger when copper is elevated or the copper/zinc ratio is off.  

will be looking up copper and zinc regarding anger issues.  Thanks for the direction.

[matrips]

3 hours ago, PeterPan said:

Yes, the MTHF is a methyl version. Are they irritable on this?  Most inexpensive versions are unmthylated. If you have certain methylation cycle defects (genetic) you don't tolerate methyls well. 

Current supplements seem to work well.  I mean they are teens, but 95% of the time or more I enjoy being around them.

[matrips]

15 hours ago, Spryte said:

My teen takes a Thorne Multi, recommended by doc.  Plus Thorne D and a B complex.  I need to add more.
 

Niacin can make my teen irritable.

I really get what you’re saying about anger issues from supplements and meds.  Same teen can’t take most antihistamines or allergy meds, anything with red dye, or ... various supplements.  It’s a balancing act.

Thanks for the info on the niacin.  Will check it out.  But I think they get that in their b complex...

[matrips]

13 hours ago, klmama said:

So, the problem nutrient is in the multivitamins, not in what they are currently taking?  My guess would be copper.  Some people have a pyrrole disorder which can involve anger when copper is elevated or the copper/zinc ratio is off.  

Correct.  What they are taking is fine.  But for some reason, multivitamins do not result in pleasant children.  And I don’t know why.  I will be looking into the copper:zinc thing.  Thanks

[matrips]

3 hours ago, PeterPan said:

Yes, the MTHF is a methyl version. Are they irritable on this?  Most inexpensive versions are unmthylated. If you have certain methylation cycle defects (genetic) you don't tolerate methyls well. 

They are fine on the current supplements/vitamins.  However it is tons of bottles because each is separate.  They’ve never done well on multivitamins.

[Pen]

2 hours ago, matrips said:

The supplements have come about the past couple years.  When we tried multis in the past, we used no supplement or other vitamins at all.

will be looking up niacin, insolital, copper and that other niacin one regarding anger issues.  Thanks for the direction.

 

I had books about orthomolecular approaches to managing brain / emotional issues, but can’t recall title right now.  One was more about kids and one more adult oriented. 

While I take Thorne multi, btw,  it doesn’t have enough of some of the things one needs imo.  I think it is a good cover the bases multi, but too low for me for D3, magnesium, etc ( Though in some cases like fish oil it has none.) So it does not really replace the things your teens get separately .  Aside from possibly something like a Life Extension 6 per day multi, I don’t think any multi does have.   Also Thorne does have copper if that’s the problem. OTOH if they are taking extra zinc separately then the copper in the multi might not matter as much.