Spanish speakers, especially in Central America, I have a question.

[ElizabethB]

@Lannyor anyone, if HCQ works, it is likely that Panama's death rate will go down 13 days after they started using HCQ again.

Most of the news reported on in on 21 July, my Spanish is enough to figure that out.

But, this article has a date of the order rescinding the HCQ stop order (stopped after Lancet study) of 13 July, from what I can figure out.  Is that correct, and do you know if they stopped soon after the 13th or when it was announced on the 21st?

https://www.prensa.com/impresa/panorama/medicos-pueden-utilizar-la-hidroxicloroquina/

Thanks!

[Lanny]

Hello from Colombia (South America).    The article  you linked to is dated 22 July 2020.  I used Google Translate to translate the very high level information for you. OT: I read about this a few days or a week ago. I remember that the bottle in that English language article from the USA also showed "USP".  My memory of that article is vague but there were positive results. Possibly very positive. I can't remember.

The Ministry of Health (Minsa) left to the doctor's decision the decision to use the medicine to treat patients with Covid-19.

After several debates on the advantages and disadvantages of using hydroxychloroquine against Covid-19 disease, the Ministry of Health (Minsa) authorized its therapeutic use in patients.

The decision came after a group of infectious diseases that is on the front line of the fight against Covid-19 in the Dr. Arnulfo Arias Madrid Hospital Complex of the Social Security Fund and the Santo Tomás Hospital, together with the infectious disease Guy De La Rosa - based in Boston, United States - developed, with new scientific evidence, a proposal to resume the use of hydroxychloroquine, suspended since May 26.

By means of a circular dated July 13, the Minsa reported that after evaluating new evidence around the therapeutic options for Covid-19, and that the scientific journal The Lancet withdrew its publication on this topic, it decided to rescind the circular establishing immediate compliance guidelines on the use of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

The note, which is signed by the general director of Public Health, Nadja Porcell, indicates that they have left the therapeutic option for prescription according to medical criteria (See facsimile).

There's a lot more to the article. Again, I used translate.google.com to translate what's above from Spanish into English.

 

 

 

 

 

[chiguirre]

This isn't a trial. It just allows doctors to prescribe HCQ with informed patient consent. That doesn't mean they will prescribe it to everyone, that there will be a control group or that they haven't gotten hold of some Remdesivir in the meantime. I don't think you can say much about the usefulness of HCQ based on Panama's death rate.

[ElizabethB]

8 hours ago, chiguirre said:

This isn't a trial. It just allows doctors to prescribe HCQ with informed patient consent. That doesn't mean they will prescribe it to everyone, that there will be a control group or that they haven't gotten hold of some Remdesivir in the meantime. I don't think you can say much about the usefulness of HCQ based on Panama's death rate.

It went up dramatically after stopping HCQ, there are several other countries that have had death rate changes 13 days after stopping or starting HCQ. It was stable at below 10 deaths/day, they stopped HCQ after the Lancet study, the death rate went up about 13 days after stopping.  I'm trying to pinpoint the start HCQ date again to see if there is correlation.

From Worldmeters:

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by ElizabethB

[ElizabethB]

11 hours ago, Lanny said:

 

There's a lot more to the article. Again, I used translate.google.com to translate what's above from Spanish into English.

 

Thank You!

[Pen]

Portuguese, not Spanish here, but they are somewhat similar.

 

It looks to me from that and other sources that  date to use for calculating would be 21 July 2020

[ElizabethB]

1 minute ago, Pen said:

Portuguese, not Spanish here, but they are somewhat similar.

 

It looks to me from that and other sources that  date to use for calculating would be 21 July 2020

It looks to me like that, too, but I've asked a couple of Panamanian doctors who post about HCQ on twitter to confirm.

[Pen]

3 minutes ago, ElizabethB said:

It looks to me like that, too, but I've asked a couple of Panamanian doctors who post about HCQ on twitter to confirm.

 

Or 22nd —. It supposedly was part of a release (Comunicado ) to public dated July 21 (which I cannot find) — but not released to be known by people till the 22nd. 

[chiguirre]

The date on the Minsa Circular that permits doctors to prescribe HCQ is July 13, 2020. That's the day it took legal effect.

Edited July 27, 2020 by chiguirre

[Pen]

https://hn.sld.pa/comunicado-147/

 

you can can scroll through to comunicado 148.  HCQ reauthorizitayion is page 2, pParagraph two. And the original authorization date for the Comunicado number 148 is July 21, 2020 but at the bottom of the of it, it says that it was revised or something like that on July 22, 2020 and it doesn’t seem to have been released to the public until July 22, 2020.

 

[Pen]

10 minutes ago, chiguirre said:

The date on the Minsa Circular that permits doctors to prescribe HCQ is July 13, 2020. That's the day it took legal effect.

 

I agree, but it doesn’t look like many would have known until July 22.