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49 minutes ago, kbutton said:

I think some kind of list is helpful. I just think it's too broad--not all kids with ASD have a problem wearing masks, for instance. The list will end up being a way for people in my area to get out of masking even if it's not a problem for them vs. being used when their individual child has an actual problem. We already have a sheriff around here encouraging people to claim they have a health issue since "they can't ask" about your health issue (which I guess is a gross oversimplification of how it works for people with disabilities also).

Yeah, the "get out of masking" vibe is strong here.  People ignore the law, ignore signs, ignore employees asking them to mask.  The state has mandated that all students must wear masks on buses and in "public" areas of the school and that grades 6+ must wear masks at all times. 

One local school district has already announced that it will only be accepting exemptions from doctors, and that parents will not be allowed to exempt their own children.  They have stated that any student not masking appropriately will be sent home.  I think it is unlikely they will be able to maintain that level of enforcement long, but I also doubt that in person school is going to last for long, so it will probably be a moot point.

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Our society needs kids to be in school.  Our economy sure as hell needs kids in school full time.  Many kids need to be in school, for a wide variety of reasons.   But kids in school is only safe

From my perspective, because of what they've done, crap upon crap happens. Obviously the pandemic itself was out of everyone's control.  But as we have seen around the world, a population's behav

One of our good friends is a family practice physician and they were getting swamped by requests by adults when the mask requirements came out. They got together and unanimously decided their response

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My guess is that the list won't be a "get out of mask free" card since most of those conditions would entitle a child to a 504 or IEP. I doubt parent DX will be enough. 

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22 hours ago, JanOH said:

Ohio governor just made masks mandatory in schools for grades K through 12.  Yay!  Now if the small private school that we are sending my 16yods to will follow the mandate I will be happy.  I'm not expecting it and fully expecting I may need to break his heart over this one 😞  I was willing to let him go with teacher's wearing masks and optional for students as that was in agreement with the state rules but if they choose to not enforce we'll have a major problem. 

Just to follow up.  Private school sent out a message today saying that they will enforce mandatory masks for all students in the school.  I'm relieved!  I was really fearful that it was going to be an issue.  Just ordered my teen some masks with the logo of his favorite NBA team on it and he's actually excited about them!  They were way over-priced but if it makes wearing the masks more fun, I'm all for it.  

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3 hours ago, Paige said:

Did you all see the picture from a hallway in a GA high school? That's my nightmare! I wonder how many parents will pull their kids out today. I don't want to post pictures here, but you can just google Georgia high school hallway or something and it will be on top. 

I saw it. Looks like a normal high school hallway. I don’ know why people can’t understand that normal isn’t going to work right now. 

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35 minutes ago, pitterpatter said:

Our school's drill team is sending girls door to door with order forms to sell insulated metal cups decorated with the school's mascot to round up funds for uniforms. 🤔

Our football and cheer teams have been having car washes every weekend to raise money. Masks looked sporadic and tents for food sharing. 🙃

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17 minutes ago, Scarlett said:

I saw it. Looks like a normal high school hallway. I don’ know why people can’t understand that normal isn’t going to work right now. 

People: "But we WAAAANT it to work." 

Like we tell DD8, "And I want a pony." 

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3 hours ago, Paige said:

Did you all see the picture from a hallway in a GA high school? That's my nightmare! I wonder how many parents will pull their kids out today. I don't want to post pictures here, but you can just google Georgia high school hallway or something and it will be on top. 

Yep, this is what the hallways will look like.  This is what they always look like.  This.is.not.a.surprise.  

I do not get the magical thinking that high school kids can change classrooms in any kind of socially distanced manner...

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County north of me (not the one with the hallway picture in question, but I saw plenty of similar pictures from it) now has three schools with kids and/or whole classrooms quarantined. On day 3. The first two were elementary schools and they quarantined classroom plus teacher; newest one is a middle school and they're just quarantining individual students who had contact. I wondered how they were going to handle high school and middle school and apparently it's just by deciding in a classroom together for an hour doesn't count as exposure like it does in elementary school.  

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1 minute ago, kokotg said:

I wondered how they were going to handle high school and middle school and apparently it's just by deciding in a classroom together for an hour doesn't count as exposure like it does in elementary school.  

Oh boy. And of course, high school and middle school students are the ones who spread it BEST. And they are going to be stuck in small rooms with recycled air for hours. 

This is going to be bad. 

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Reopening picture is worse than it looks...

Buzzfeed article, fwiw. Except below...it’s criminal, IMO 

James’s parents saw the photograph that had been circulating Tuesday and told him, “You are not going back to school again,” he said. But a few hours later, his mother had spoken to the school and was told that students who “chose not to go to school” could face suspension or expulsion.

On Wednesday, he went back to school. “I had no choice,” he said.

 

 

 

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Just now, Paige said:

Reopening picture is worse than it looks...

Buzzfeed article, fwiw. Except below...it’s criminal, IMO 

James’s parents saw the photograph that had been circulating Tuesday and told him, “You are not going back to school again,” he said. But a few hours later, his mother had spoken to the school and was told that students who “chose not to go to school” could face suspension or expulsion.

On Wednesday, he went back to school. “I had no choice,” he said.

 

 

 

Why can't they disenroll to homeschool like basically anywhere else in the US? That's not criminal anywhere, AFAIK.

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Just now, square_25 said:

They might not want to? 

Then I'm confused by the quote of her saying that she doesn't want him to go back to school again.

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Just now, EmseB said:

Then I'm confused by the quote of her saying that she doesn't want him to go back to school again.

Well, not while things are like this she doesn't. I think they wanted to sign up for virtual schooling but didn't get in. 

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1 minute ago, EmseB said:

Why can't they disenroll to homeschool like basically anywhere else in the US? That's not criminal anywhere, AFAIK.

I’m sure they could but it may not prevent the suspension or expulsion being on their record: https://edlaw4students.blogspot.com/2011/06/can-parent-withdraw-student-or-move.html?m=1

It’s a difficult issue for upperclassmen who are in the college application game. I’d have pulled my kids if they were there, but not everyone is able to do that.

They shouldn’t be forced into that situation and they shouldn’t have limited the spots for virtual school. 

 

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Just now, square_25 said:

Well, not while things are like this she doesn't. I think they wanted to sign up for virtual schooling but didn't get in. 

How does one not get in to virtual school? Doesn't some iteration of k12 operate everywhere? Even so, she has the legal right to disenroll her kid whatever the case may be.

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3 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Well, not while things are like this she doesn't. I think they wanted to sign up for virtual schooling but didn't get in. 

Right. The virtual option is full and has a waitlist....so the only option is to pull kids and homeschool. Which is not really the easiest thing to figure out on the fly at the last second, particularly for a high school kid. I mean...I've been homeschooling for 14 years, and I'm pretty confident about it, but I still wouldn't want to have to come up with a plan for a year of high school with no notice (and presumably while working full time).

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The county only had so many spots allocated to virtual school. Not everyone could get in and they can’t switch now. 
 

In my state anyone can sign up for virtual and you can switch to it at any time.
 

 

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2 minutes ago, Paige said:

I’m sure they could but it may not prevent the suspension or expulsion being on their record: https://edlaw4students.blogspot.com/2011/06/can-parent-withdraw-student-or-move.html?m=1

It’s a difficult issue for upperclassmen who are in the college application game. I’d have pulled my kids if they were there, but not everyone is able to do that.

They shouldn’t be forced into that situation and they shouldn’t have limited the spots for virtual school. 

 

But millions of people are being forced into that situation, no? I'm not being obtuse on purpose, I truly don't understand what the mom wants if she doesn't want to do school at home and she doesn't want her kid physically in the school and resources for virtual school are limited. I mean parents who both work and have to do virtual are between a rock and a hard place too, right?

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2 minutes ago, Paige said:

The county only had so many spots allocated to virtual school. Not everyone could get in and they can’t switch now. 
 

In my state anyone can sign up for virtual and you can switch to it at any time.
 

 

There is a statewide virtual school in Georgia, but I know registration starts in March or April, and fall classes might have already started. I haven't checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not an option to sign up now--they would have to know numbers in advance to have enough teachers and all that.

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3 minutes ago, EmseB said:

But millions of people are being forced into that situation, no? I'm not being obtuse on purpose, I truly don't understand what the mom wants if she doesn't want to do school at home and she doesn't want her kid physically in the school and resources for virtual school are limited. I mean parents who both work and have to do virtual are between a rock and a hard place too, right?

It sounds like she was expecting the school to have better safety protocols in place....not to send her kid to school hours after finding out about an outbreak on the football team and then have a picture from the packed hallway make the national news on the first day. Perhaps that was naive of her. I.e. if she'd known it would be like that she would have made different plans while there was still time to plan.

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Nobody in my state is forced into that choice. Nobody in my home state is either. 
 

Masks are optional- they could be mandatory. They didn’t have to limit the virtual spots. It’s ridiculous. 

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3 minutes ago, kokotg said:

There is a statewide virtual school in Georgia, but I know registration starts in March or April, and fall classes might have already started. I haven't checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not an option to sign up now--they would have to know numbers in advance to have enough teachers and all that.

That’s probably because GVA is pretty good. Our state has gone with something that’s like edgenuity. They could have added something like that as a choice when they saw demand was high. 

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31 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Oh boy. And of course, high school and middle school students are the ones who spread it BEST. And they are going to be stuck in small rooms with recycled air for hours. 

This is going to be bad. 

Yep.  And totally, completely predictable.  

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DS finally got his schedule sorted and his councillor  mentioned that they won’t be going back in person this semester. The school board votes tonight but she seemed to already know.

After the ACT fiasco yesterday, at least today he got some good news. Let’s hope she’s right. 

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1 hour ago, square_25 said:

People: "But we WAAAANT it to work." 

Like we tell DD8, "And I want a pony." 

Yup. I keep saying people are acting like spoiled toddlers. "But I WANT it!" Is what I hear from my 3 yr old. Not what should be the thought process of grown adults. 

1 hour ago, Matryoshka said:

Yep, this is what the hallways will look like.  This is what they always look like.  This.is.not.a.surprise.  

I do not get the magical thinking that high school kids can change classrooms in any kind of socially distanced manner...

The article says they don't think it can spread in a few minutes in the hallways. Which is totally ridiculous. Viral load means that yes, just speaking to ONE person for 3 minutes is unlikely to spread it. But in a few feet of dozens/hundreds of people is totally different! Not to mention any one of those kids could sneeze, transmitting more than enough viral load to spread it in less than a second. Idiots. And this idiocy is coming from education professionals! Anyone that dumb and lacking in common sense shouldn't be qualified to be in charge of anyone's education. 

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1 minute ago, Ktgrok said:

The article says they don't think it can spread in a few minutes in the hallways. Which is totally ridiculous. Viral load means that yes, just speaking to ONE person for 3 minutes is unlikely to spread it. But in a few feet of dozens/hundreds of people is totally different! Not to mention any one of those kids could sneeze, transmitting more than enough viral load to spread it in less than a second. Idiots. And this idiocy is coming from education professionals! Anyone that dumb and lacking in common sense shouldn't be qualified to be in charge of anyone's education. 

It won't spread in a few minutes in the hallway, probably, but it may very well hang around in the air for long enough that infection happens. It's a small enclosed space with lots of kids. What do you expect?? 

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Just now, square_25 said:

It won't spread in a few minutes in the hallway, probably, but it may very well hang around in the air for long enough that infection happens. It's a small enclosed space with lots of kids. What do you expect?? 

Well, and I'm not believing that being in say, 4 feet of many kids is the same as being in 4 feet distance of ONE person. especially if they are speaking very loudly/yelling - which I remember being the case because you are trying to be heard over everyone else. Or like I said, a sneeze that is within a few feet of multiple kids, in that situation. It's idiotic. 

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Speaking of dumb...our health department has at the very top of its website, "No gatherings more than 10 people" and to avoid crowds. 

How on EARTH does that square with reopening schools???? Classes will all have more than 10 people (I'm hearing 20 from the teachers in my area, on average), and you SEE the crows in that photo!

ARe that they convinced there is magic pixie dust in schools that makes the health department requirements not matter?

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1 hour ago, kokotg said:

County north of me (not the one with the hallway picture in question, but I saw plenty of similar pictures from it) now has three schools with kids and/or whole classrooms quarantined. On day 3. The first two were elementary schools and they quarantined classroom plus teacher; newest one is a middle school and they're just quarantining individual students who had contact. I wondered how they were going to handle high school and middle school and apparently it's just by deciding in a classroom together for an hour doesn't count as exposure like it does in elementary school.  

I'm just curious about how you know this. Is the media reporting it? Is it leaking out on social media? Is the school making announcements?

I get the sense in my area that I won't really know if there have been cases in the schools, unless my kids are directly affected. Or, of course, if they have to notify everyone that the school has to shut down. For example, there was a case within the group trying out for cheerleading, and I only know, because DD was trying out for cheer, and we got a notification.

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45 minutes ago, kokotg said:

Right. The virtual option is full and has a waitlist....so the only option is to pull kids and homeschool. Which is not really the easiest thing to figure out on the fly at the last second, particularly for a high school kid. I mean...I've been homeschooling for 14 years, and I'm pretty confident about it, but I still wouldn't want to have to come up with a plan for a year of high school with no notice (and presumably while working full time).

Nationwide, lawsuits against employers by families whose loved ones died after getting exposed to COVID on the job have started. This is expected to become a class action lawsuit. Similarly, if the parents who are offended and aghast at the lack of protection for their kids during a raging pandemic get together and sue the school districts and local departments of education for lack of safety and risk of death, there will be much better handling of the situation, even in states where the governors are anti-masking. We are, after all, a highly litigious country and this is when that helps in protecting the rights of kids.

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13 minutes ago, Storygirl said:

I'm just curious about how you know this. Is the media reporting it? Is it leaking out on social media? Is the school making announcements?

I get the sense in my area that I won't really know if there have been cases in the schools, unless my kids are directly affected. Or, of course, if they have to notify everyone that the school has to shut down. For example, there was a case within the group trying out for cheerleading, and I only know, because DD was trying out for cheer, and we got a notification.

The school that quarantined yesterday has been on the national and local news (it's Sixes Elementary in Cherokee County, Georgia). The others are from today, so I've seen them reported on social media, including from parents who were contacted because their kids were affected. The county has a page to report cases, but they're only planning to update it every Friday. I went to school in the county and have a number of facebook friends who are still involved in the school system there one way or another, so I hear what goes on there pretty quickly. And I'm following it pretty closely (obsessively?) since my husband teaches one county over.

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21 minutes ago, square_25 said:

It won't spread in a few minutes in the hallway, probably, but it may very well hang around in the air for long enough that infection happens. It's a small enclosed space with lots of kids. What do you expect?? 

I've seen pictures from inside the classrooms, too (not from the same school, but from lots of schools that started this week)....they're not distancing at all in there, either, and plenty of kids without masks. The school that has a 2nd grade class quarantined already had an album of 45 pictures on their facebook page (they finally took it down), with tons of pictures of kids close together without masks and even one picture of 4 staff members right next to each other and only 2 of them wearing masks (over their noses, anyway). And staff ARE supposed to be required to wear masks, and they're still posting pictures of staff members without them publicly. 

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4 minutes ago, kokotg said:

I've seen pictures from inside the classrooms, too (not from the same school, but from lots of schools that started this week)....they're not distancing at all in there, either, and plenty of kids without masks. The school that has a 2nd grade class quarantined already had an album of 45 pictures on their facebook page (they finally took it down), with tons of pictures of kids close together without masks and even one picture of 4 staff members right next to each other and only 2 of them wearing masks (over their noses, anyway). And staff ARE supposed to be required to wear masks, and they're still posting pictures of staff members without them publicly. 

 

I have a friend with two kids at Etowah and she said she's known it would be a cluster from the beginning. One of her children is online already. The other opted to return. She gave it two weeks before it was shut down. Their seniors also went viral both for their lack of diversity and lack of masks in their opening day class photo. 

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2 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:

 

I have a friend with two kids at Etowah and she said she's known it would be a cluster from the beginning. One of her children is online already. The other opted to return. She gave it two weeks before it was shut down. Their seniors also went viral both for their lack of diversity and lack of masks in their opening day class photo. 

Yep--I saw that one....very similar one from Sequoyah down the road, too (my high school).

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Yeah! I've actually been wondering whether I should keep notes and records of all the ways DH's company is trying to kill him. You would think companies would be doing their darnedest not to be sued. I can't tell you how many unnecessarily dangerous CoVid situations DH has been thrown into...all things we would never take part in as a family. I don't want to be part of a class action, though. The five dollars we would be awarded wouldn't begin to cover the lifelong anguish of DD losing her father.

18 minutes ago, mathnerd said:

Nationwide, lawsuits against employers by families whose loved ones died after getting exposed to COVID on the job have started. This is expected to become a class action lawsuit. Similarly, if the parents who are offended and aghast at the lack of protection for their kids during a raging pandemic get together and sue the school districts and local departments of education for lack of safety and risk of death, there will be much better handling of the situation, even in states where the governors are anti-masking. We are, after all, a highly litigious country and this is when that helps in protecting the rights of kids.

 

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30 minutes ago, mathnerd said:

Nationwide, lawsuits against employers by families whose loved ones died after getting exposed to COVID on the job have started. This is expected to become a class action lawsuit. Similarly, if the parents who are offended and aghast at the lack of protection for their kids during a raging pandemic get together and sue the school districts and local departments of education for lack of safety and risk of death, there will be much better handling of the situation, even in states where the governors are anti-masking. We are, after all, a highly litigious country and this is when that helps in protecting the rights of kids.

I've seen pictures posted of school doors in Gwinnett County, Georgia with signs that say by entering you assume all the risks of contracting coronavirus. Not sure how well that holds up in court...

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14 minutes ago, pitterpatter said:

Yeah! I've actually been wondering whether I should keep notes and records of all the ways DH's company is trying to kill him. You would think companies would be doing their darnedest not to be sued. I can't tell you how many unnecessarily dangerous CoVid situations DH has been thrown into...all things we would never take part in as a family. I don't want to be part of a class action, though. The five dollars we would be awarded wouldn't begin to cover the lifelong anguish of DD losing her father.

 

I'm so sorry. The biggest blessing in this for us is that DH's boss has been setting an example in being safe. He said you can work in the office if you want..but he won't be, and he encourages oterhs to work from home. By having the boss actually working from home it sets that precedent that it is okay. Now, i don't love the partial furlough and pay cut, but at least he's safe. 

Meanwhile the school district refused to let my sister, and administrator, work from home at all during all this. Despite a note from her doctor that she has asthma and so does her daughter. That was when there were no kids there, just staff. There was NO reason she couldn't work from home, she DOES work from home every evening already...heck she does half her job from her apple watch and her phone, lol. She DID get a waiver to bring her kids to the school with her over the summer and during pandemic, but that took huge wrangling. 

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53 minutes ago, Ktgrok said:

Speaking of dumb...our health department has at the very top of its website, "No gatherings more than 10 people" and to avoid crowds. 

How on EARTH does that square with reopening schools???? Classes will all have more than 10 people (I'm hearing 20 from the teachers in my area, on average), and you SEE the crows in that photo!

ARe that they convinced there is magic pixie dust in schools that makes the health department requirements not matter?

Thank you, yes! I wish someone would force officials to actually answer this question.

In Maine, you can have 5 people in 1,000 square feet of retail space. That's 200 square feet per customer. Students have to be THREE feet apart. Even say, 6 feet.... that's 36 square feet of space. 

The economy "needs to open" so they're making rules for school so, so much more lax than businesses. It's sick!

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1 hour ago, EmseB said:

But millions of people are being forced into that situation, no? I'm not being obtuse on purpose, I truly don't understand what the mom wants if she doesn't want to do school at home and she doesn't want her kid physically in the school and resources for virtual school are limited. I mean parents who both work and have to do virtual are between a rock and a hard place too, right?

She might not know that homeschooling is an option. So she tried to get into the virtual school, was told it was too late, said she didn't want to send her kid in person, and whoever she was talking to threatened her with truancy but didn't specify that he would be truant unless she followed whatever her state's homeschool law requires to officially withdraw to homeschool.

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1 hour ago, Ktgrok said:

ARe that they convinced there is magic pixie dust in schools that makes the health department requirements not matter?

Well, you ARE near Disneyworld and Tinkerbell, and it IS open.

16 minutes ago, pitterpatter said:

I've been wondering whether students will actually be required to do their virtual work this year?

Here, supposedly yes. They keep saying over and over "this is robust distance learning, not like last spring. Attendance and grades will count." Parents would have fled the district otherwise. At the end of the day, pandemic or not, we know it is possible for kids to learn and we expect the schools to be in the business of helping that to happen. The "no learning or even attendance" expectations of spring were disastrous.

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55 minutes ago, Danae said:

She might not know that homeschooling is an option. So she tried to get into the virtual school, was told it was too late, said she didn't want to send her kid in person, and whoever she was talking to threatened her with truancy but didn't specify that he would be truant unless she followed whatever her state's homeschool law requires to officially withdraw to homeschool.

This does seem most likely and I definitely have run across stories of school administrators like this even in normal times.

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42 minutes ago, pitterpatter said:

I've been wondering whether students will actually be required to do their virtual work this year?


Yea. Even tho only 1/4 of the yearly grade for 2019-20 was pass/fail, students who did not satisfactorily complete the work in our area (during quarantine) did not receive credit for the class. This fall, students must attend all classes, every day, with the same attendance expectations and penalties  as in-person classes. We have a block schedule so it’s 4/day for DD, 60-90 min. each.

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I'm not so sure whether that's how it will be at our school. They did exactly zero this summer to prepare teachers (elementary teachers anyway...I have no idea about middle and high school) for virtual learning. So far, there has been no recent talks about going virtual. This past spring, teachers were not required to teach virtually. The school published what students were supposed to do at home in the newspaper each week. Students had no books to use since they were still at school. Online learning was cobbled together from various hard-to-use websites included in the school's curriculum packages.

24 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:


Yea. Even tho only 1/4 of the yearly grade for 2019-20 was pass/fail, students who did not satisfactorily complete the work in our area (during quarantine) did not receive credit for the class. This fall, students must attend all classes, every day, with the same attendance expectations and penalties  as in-person classes. We have a block schedule so it’s 4/day for DD, 60-90 min. each.

 

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2 hours ago, pitterpatter said:

Yeah! I've actually been wondering whether I should keep notes and records of all the ways DH's company is trying to kill him. You would think companies would be doing their darnedest not to be sued. I can't tell you how many unnecessarily dangerous CoVid situations DH has been thrown into...all things we would never take part in as a family. I don't want to be part of a class action, though. The five dollars we would be awarded wouldn't begin to cover the lifelong anguish of DD losing her father.

 

this is the only link that I found that is not behind a paywall: 

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/08/03/covid-lawsuits

 

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I have not read the whole thread so someone else may have mentioned this. A friend heard that a school district in our state, when asked what would happen when teachers were put on 14 day quarantine and there weren’t enough subs said the National Guard would be used!

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