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26 minutes ago, SKL said:

People are beyond done and no matter what they do, crap upon crap happens.

From my perspective, because of what they've done, crap upon crap happens.

Obviously the pandemic itself was out of everyone's control.  But as we have seen around the world, a population's behaviors can effect the outcomes.  Stricter lockdowns can lead to smaller outbreaks can lead to safer loosening of restrictions.  Looser lockdowns and more non-compliance can lead to larger outbreaks and more deaths which require longer, more disruptive restrictions. 

So I look at virtual schools and a tanking economy and prolonged social restrictions, and to me they are a direct consequence of every person who said, "Well, I just think that Timmy deserves to have a real birthday party in person" and "I'm not going to wear a mask into Home Depot because I'm not scared of getting sick" and "I just couldn't miss my hair appointment so I took a couple Tylenol so I could pass the temperature check."

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Our society needs kids to be in school.  Our economy sure as hell needs kids in school full time.  Many kids need to be in school, for a wide variety of reasons.   But kids in school is only safe

One of our good friends is a family practice physician and they were getting swamped by requests by adults when the mask requirements came out. They got together and unanimously decided their response

From my perspective, because of what they've done, crap upon crap happens. Obviously the pandemic itself was out of everyone's control.  But as we have seen around the world, a population's behav

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2 hours ago, SKL said:

Well it's official, for the moment anyway ... my county's schools are going all virtual for the first quarter. 

It is not surprising, given what we have seen happening in the schools around the country, including in my state. There is no humane way to make kids and teachers stay inside a school all day during a pandemic, especially when we are dealing with a deadly and contagious respiratory disease.

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22 minutes ago, teachermom2834 said:

A school system in our region was the first to go back a week or two ago. It was reported they had an elementary student test positive. They didn't shut down the school. They identified and informed those that needed to be tested and/or quarantine. So the idea that the system would shut down with the first positive case didn't come to fruition but the idea that there would be positive cases right away did.

Ours starts Wednesday and our cases are really high, test positivity is really high. I am sure there will be lots of infected people walking through those doors Wednesday. In fact, the teachers are already back and I'm sure there are cases among them. Our infection rate is too high for there not to be. 

I don't see how it is going to work but I sure hope somehow I am wrong and it does. Our town does seem to be willingly and aggressively pursuing herd immunity. Maybe that is the thought? Let them all come in and pass it around and get it over with? I understand that will have poor consequences so I'm not suggesting it but maybe somewhere behind the scenes that is being advocated. 

I've also had the thought that people here are living their lives as normal and ignoring social distancing and masking recommendations so maybe the return to school won't be that big of a shock. All these people have already been living life as normal and surely passing it around for months. Maybe there are more antibodies in the population than one might think. In the past month we have had proms, graduations, volleyball, basketball, and wrestling tournaments, football and soccer summer practices, band camps, mega churches meeting with full choirs and no masks, church camps, VBS, scout camps, big extended family vacations, huge 4th of July parties, big big birthday parties and so on and so on.  Our numbers are bad, as bad as the ones people have been discussing in central florida. But our hospitals say they have capacity and we are not getting horror stories coming out of them. Maybe many of our teachers and students already have immunity even if they didn't know they had Covid? Seems possible at least. We definitely aren't testing alot and there are so many people here that are so skeptical of it all that I don't think most would get tested unless they were extremely ill. So I do think it is possible that our community has had alot of infection for a while. 

In-service started here Weds and two schools have had teachers test positive and others told to quarantine. And that's with the biggest district 100% virtual. 

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12th largest school system in the country, outside of Atlanta--they're starting online, but teachers are required to be in the buildings. They started Wednesday and already have 260 people not working because of cases or exposure: https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/covid-cases-exposure-have-260-gwinnett-school-employees-not-working/RVZP4UFBPFHDNJJ73MNUFIKEPY/ The school system is all, "well, sure--we expect that based on spread in our area." Yeah--duh--that's why you shouldn't require staff to be in the buildings! 

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13 hours ago, wendyroo said:

From my perspective, because of what they've done, crap upon crap happens.

Obviously the pandemic itself was out of everyone's control.  But as we have seen around the world, a population's behaviors can effect the outcomes.  Stricter lockdowns can lead to smaller outbreaks can lead to safer loosening of restrictions.  Looser lockdowns and more non-compliance can lead to larger outbreaks and more deaths which require longer, more disruptive restrictions. 

So I look at virtual schools and a tanking economy and prolonged social restrictions, and to me they are a direct consequence of every person who said, "Well, I just think that Timmy deserves to have a real birthday party in person" and "I'm not going to wear a mask into Home Depot because I'm not scared of getting sick" and "I just couldn't miss my hair appointment so I took a couple Tylenol so I could pass the temperature check."

Well that isn't how people acted in my school district.  People really did lock down for months.  The curve was flattened and the hospitals never came anywhere close to capacity.  Deaths went down to zero for the whole state at one point.  There is now a statewide mask mandate which people are following.  All for what?  Now they have recently increased the number of tests, so there is supposedly an increased number of positives, mostly mild cases of course - the ones that would not have been in the numbers at all previously.  I guess our health department has unilaterally decided that there must be zero illnesses before we can open schools.

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Oh well, it is my personality to look for the bright side once the bad news has a chance to be absorbed.  So ... on the positive side, I think, hope, that schools will take this opportunity to refine their online teaching skills and develop kids' online learning skills to a point where it becomes a real viable option in the future.  And then, the costs of things like standard college courses can go down and make higher education more accessible, which has been a hope of mine for a long time.

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1 hour ago, SKL said:

Well that isn't how people acted in my school district.  People really did lock down for months.  The curve was flattened and the hospitals never came anywhere close to capacity.  Deaths went down to zero for the whole state at one point.  There is now a statewide mask mandate which people are following.  All for what?  Now they have recently increased the number of tests, so there is supposedly an increased number of positives, mostly mild cases of course - the ones that would not have been in the numbers at all previously.  I guess our health department has unilaterally decided that there must be zero illnesses before we can open schools.

 

Are you seriously blaming testing for spread in your community? Clearly people WEREN'T consistently distancing or your schools would be able to open. Can't you just admit you were wrong about the ubiquity of the spread? Why is that so hard? There is no SUPPOSED increase in positives. There is an actual increase in spread in most of the states unrelated to testing.

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I'm not having any luck getting my representatives or local newspapers to tell me why retail establishments in Maine can allow 5 customers per 1,000 square feet of space, but schools can have so many more people in the same amount of space. 

Actually, I"m having trouble verifying that the order is still 5 people for every 1,000 square feet. I heard that some stores recently had their limits go up. But I can't find out, and I've emailed a TON of people asking for updated information. I feel like that should be easily accessible.... but nope. 

On the plus side, I've learned that my local representatives are quite responsive and write personal email replies quickly. I was very pleasantly surprised about that. 

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5 hours ago, SKL said:

Well that isn't how people acted in my school district.  People really did lock down for months.  The curve was flattened and the hospitals never came anywhere close to capacity.  Deaths went down to zero for the whole state at one point.  There is now a statewide mask mandate which people are following.  All for what?  Now they have recently increased the number of tests, so there is supposedly an increased number of positives, mostly mild cases of course - the ones that would not have been in the numbers at all previously.  I guess our health department has unilaterally decided that there must be zero illnesses before we can open schools.

Your state is currently averaging 30 deaths per day and around 1300 new cases. There is a big difference between "zero" and 1300/day.

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I've been following this thread from the start. It's been extremely interesting listening to what other districts and states are doing for school. I thought I would update on what's happening in my neck of the woods where I know there are several Hive members also zoned.

Houston area Texas, approx. 118k students, approx. 20th largest in USA enrollment

A few weeks ago, our district approved purchasing a chromebook AND hotspot for EVERY student. The price tag is $44 million. $4 million from Covid reserved funds (fund is $10 million). $40 million from bonds. It looked like the district was headed for virtual only for at least the first grading period (9 weeks). Then as days progressed they added $3.75 million for plexi-dividers for the schools from the Covid fund. Then, TEA (Texas Education board) and local County authorities and the governor and the state attorney (and UIL) have been fighting it out over who has the final authority on when and how schools will work. It's been a hot mess. Like many districts, normally school orgs such as band and athletics are 2-3 weeks into practices. School start date gets pushed back 2 weeks to Sept 8. Area districts are all over the map F2F, hybrid, virtual, pushed starts, etc etc. Many times area districts follow Houston ISD (super big), and they announced all virtual for first grading period. So we figure we'll be in for the same since we are next biggest, and we are spending $44 million on 1-to-1 computers PLUS free wifi. They even plan to use buses as mobile area hot spots for those areas that cellular hotspot service is wonky. Then the big school board announcement comes...

Parents much choose by Aug 5th to do F2F only or Virtual only. You can change your mind up until Aug 25th. For F2F. the plan is to have everyone all ages wear masks. Each school will make the best accommodations possible to distance students. That means some will have a "lazy-river" of 6ft-spaced single file lines snaking through the halls. Most schools and schedules won't work with this, so parents were told that each school will just do their best to accommodate. Everyone entering the school self-reports illness and covid exposure. If covid exposure happens and it's discovered under 3 days, they will cordon off the area and clean. If over 3 days then notifications will go out, and things proceed as normal (no cordon). Students are responsible for cleaning their area when they arrive and leave class. No mention of how lunch works except that they are no grab-n-go options anymore or self-serve in lines.

Virtual works same as going to school. Every class is live and every student must attend every class in real time. Absences still count except that if you are out "sick" for any reason, you can attend classes virtually in real time and be counted present. Once you choose Virtual, you cannot change for the grading period (9 weeks). I "think" if you choose F2F, you can opt over to virtual at anytime for the remaining period and not come back. This direction wasn't completely clear. Originally, parents were told that classes that require in-person activity (welding, cosmetology, band, athletics, etc) will have F2F components that MUST be completed in person (after school in designated times) even if you choose virtual in order to earn credit.

Marching band has an additional monkey wrench thrown into the mix. At first, we were told that the virtual option would include assignments and virtual sessions as course requirements, but no marching since you must be there in person to participate for obvious reasons. So a student would earn the band credit but not the dual PE credit (no marching component). If you were counting on this PE credit (especially upper class), this put you in a bind requiring schedule changes. Otherwise to participate in marching band you HAD to choose F2F. Now, they added an option that you can choose virtual instruction but still participate in marching band after school. This will get you the PE credit and keep your earned-in-previous-year-spot.

As crazy as it sounds, this decision is hard. In fact, it's very hard. We have watched in horror as our micro community as blown off precautions and partied like it's been a big ol' party for months. Our first venture outside came when spring baseball restarted in July. We took a calculated risk while WE controlled various precautions and protocols for son within the team and on the field. It wasn't too bad because we weren't the only ones. We could put any helicopter parent to shame at this point. But this also meant that we had to isolate even more from our vulnerable family. It's been a pain but doable.

Every fiber of my being is telling me F2F is a horrific choice. Summer band resumed today. While the rehearsals are outside and very socially-distanced, 300 kids passing through doors and commons areas can.not.be.done with distance. It just can't! They are all masked. The kids were not being obstinate about it. All were properly masked. But at the end of the day, masks will be the only protection from spreading. So if they aren't effective...man, please let them be effective. There are about 3000 students in this school. If you believe Facebook polls, 70% of those students will be F2F although color guard poll today was about 50% choosing virtual with after school marching band. We will probably have to make another calculated risk and go virtual with after school marching band. That's 2100 students all over that school. No lazy river there. The school is 3-stories. Plus there are 6 minutes passing. If this was a 1-season-and-done sacrifice, I think we would go pure virtual. But that's not how band works here. If you want to be an officer and hold the prominent spots, you just have to stay in the game. There are plenty of others who will be throwing elbows to take those spots. At this point, I'm not willing to blow up the entire band thread (6 years total) DD has been weaving. BUT this decision comes with further sacrifice in terms of further isolation outside this group, etc. 

Anyhow, this is what reopening school looks like for us.

I hate this. I have never had to agonize over what to do about school this much. I just hate this.

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@aggie96 I have two kids in the high school band, and music is very important to them (not just a casual hobby), so I get it. I really worry. And we are choosing our school's in-person option, because the virtual option in our district is a poor choice for my particular kids. So, yeah. It's really, really hard when the best choice for my kids is not the wisest choice overall.

Our band camp is next week. We haven't heard anything about how band in general will operate this year. The only information is that band camp is morning only, instead of all day. And that it will be completely outside, and brass and woodwind instruments cannot be played inside the building. How they will reconfigure band during the school year, in the winter, is still a mystery.

We had DD15 drop choir. She was okay with it.

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1 hour ago, aggie96 said:

Summer band resumed today. While the rehearsals are outside and very socially-distanced, 300 kids passing through doors and commons areas can.not.be.done with distance. It just can't! They are all masked. The kids were not being obstinate about it. All were properly masked.

Ok, I'm missing something, lol. How are they playing say, wind instruments, or brass, while masked?

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6 minutes ago, Ktgrok said:

Ok, I'm missing something, lol. How are they playing say, wind instruments, or brass, while masked?

Our school district is doing it too.  They are wearing these gauzy gators that obviously if you can blow the instrument through you can certainly spread covid through. 

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8 hours ago, Sneezyone said:

There is no SUPPOSED increase in positives. There is an actual increase in spread in most of the states unrelated to testing.

I think something a lot of people who are upset about the increase in testing may not be realizing, is that the more you test, the better it makes your statistics. Sure, you show more cases, but the percent positivity goes down the more you catch as does the death rate. When the standard is that the percent positive has to be below 5% in order to have certain things open, the more people you test, the greater denominator and the more that percent positive is going to be driven down. Of course, this also has the more important effect of reducing spread, but for people who are concerned about the optics of the numbers, more tests make things look better, not worse.

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One of my friends who teaches middle school band has a few people making "masks" to fit over instrument bells (basically drawstring bags out of multiple layers of cotton with room to add an shop towel filter as well) for each of her students. She hopes it helps at least some. She is hoping that since they are doing lunch in homerooms that she can move to the cafeteria, where she could spread her students out more, too. 

 

I am doing just percussion for my general music classes, with each child having their own set of instruments, so my students can be masked the entire time, and we won't be singing. 

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We got some details (such as they are) about the youth wind symphony my 11th grader is auditioning for (he wants to be a clarinet performance major, and it's not a great time to want that). They're offering either virtual or in person (with distancing, masks if you're not playing) auditions and then:

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The second phase involves rehearsals, first in smaller divided groupings and moving toward the full ensemble, in highly modified playing environments that account for distancing and reduction of aerosol projection by wind instrument musicians. Watch for updates about this schedule, which will notbe immediately following auditions.

 

I hope they can figure out something that feels safe....at least by next semester (I'm pretty much resigned to writing this one off--I'd be totally okay with it if I knew things would look better after New Year's). He's homeschooled, so he doesn't have a school band to worry about; the other youth orchestra he plays with has already said no rehearsals until further notice. 

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18 hours ago, Ktgrok said:

Ok, I'm missing something, lol. How are they playing say, wind instruments, or brass, while masked?

Marching band involves much more than the music. :) They are learning formations, techniques, and dance moves. They do conditioning, too. Drill is added, then music eventually.

Thus far through Day 2, they are working from early, early morning until noon. Yesterday's weather was bearable. Today's was muggy and hot from the start. Ugh. DD reported that wearing masks outside sucked but was manageable. She just disliked running in them. Regular drill would have been OK. Masks inside while working out have been totally fine.

For rehearsing music, the brass are using "socks" on their bells. Each instrument is working in small sectionals outside in shaded areas spread as far apart as possible, pointing instruments away from each other. They are allowed to play inside in the small sections so I guess each section will become a micro-pod of sorts.

DD reported that thus far the kids are trying really hard to protect themselves and each other as much as possible. This particular group is very motivated to stay healthy and perform. They were supposed to go the Grand Nationals this fall (canceled). They had an incredible show last year that earned them a fierce reputation for excellence within the band community. I really hope for their sake for many reasons their efforts are not in vain.

Their temps are being scanned before they enter the building which I don't think is required but just an added precaution by the directors. Maybe it is required for summer band?

Side note--Drill team is also at school right now and is not wearing their masks while actively working out inside. Both drill and the football players are reportedly very loose in the halls when not working out--no masks to be seen. I'm thankful that the band directors are being strict about it as least.

I tend to be more of a realist and won't be surprised when it this all blows up despite their best efforts.

The schools, admin, and teachers are between a rock and a hard place. As are students and parents. Blech!

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Ah! I should have realized! I was in Flag Corps for two years, and we practiced with the marching band. And yup, those early practices had little if any actual music. Mostly conditioning, learning how to find our spot on the field, basics. 

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Welp, school started in two counties near me yesterday, and word is one second grade class is already being quarantined for 2 weeks. Day 2. The pictures that people were posting yesterday were horrifying: crowded hallways, giant groups of maskless kids posing for photos with their arms around each other, a classroom with 20+ kids, less than half with masks, desks MAYBE a foot apart. I hope parents remember when schools shut back down that it's because they weren't doing ANYTHING to try to stop it (not that I think there's much they COULD do with numbers where they are here....but maybe they could have made it two weeks instead of two days?)

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Our schools are supposed to start in 8 days, and a teacher I talked to yesterday said that they don't even know who will teach virtual and who will teach in person yet. District administration tossed it to the principals, at least some of the principals don't want to decide so they told the teachers to sort it out themselves (each grade deciding). 

Someone who works at the school board just told me that the stack of resignations is twice as high as the stack of new hires. 

I just don't see how it's going to work. 

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Tulsa Public School district just announced Virtual only for first 9 weeks.  There will be some small group exceptions for mostly special ed students.  I see no 'good' answer to all of this.  I feel so sorry for parents who work and have to now work out child care for their littles or worry about their olders being home all day alone.  I never liked to leave my ds alone all day even when he was plenty old enough to stay alone.  

 

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Ohio governor just made masks mandatory in schools for grades K through 12.  Yay!  Now if the small private school that we are sending my 16yods to will follow the mandate I will be happy.  I'm not expecting it and fully expecting I may need to break his heart over this one 😞  I was willing to let him go with teacher's wearing masks and optional for students as that was in agreement with the state rules but if they choose to not enforce we'll have a major problem. 

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We’ve already had two teachers test positive at a local school that started last week. They’re not even shutting down, just supposedly deep cleaning after they find out. 

At a different school, the doctor put the wrong return to school date on the form for a student who had tested positive. So, he showed up and attended but wasn’t actually cleared.

We have a large district starting tomorrow and two more next week.

 It’s such a mess!

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14 minutes ago, square_25 said:

They really don't seem to be doing masks in school here, which is... disappointing. Only masks when unable to socially distance, which isn't going to work. 

At least state-wide, that's true. I should take a look at the NYC guidelines. Anyone perused them? 

NJ just updated the orders to be masks AND social distancing required.   It was masks when unable to distance, now both are expected.   Anyone who wants to will be allowed to go virtually as well.

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6 minutes ago, square_25 said:

As a mathematician, here's what concerns me about opening schools. Right now, at least a few places have had a decrease in infection partially because some clusters just... burned out. Think some of the high infection areas in NYC and in other parts of the Northeast. At this point, things are in a kind of tenuous equilibrium there. 

However, when you reopen schools, you form ENTIRELY new clusters of people. That is, if you create a graph of people (people here are points, and lines between points show connections), then the connections change RADICALLY when you send kids back to school. Families that have had no interaction for half a year now have a way to infect each other. 

That means that there are going to be relatively untouched pockets of society that COVID did not yet ravage that will have it introduced into them. (For example, I would say that in NYC, much of Manhattan was spared due to its wealth.) And these pockets will not have rate of transmission cut at all, so the spread will again be exponential. 

Anyway, it's a mess. I look at fall with foreboding. 

THIS is what I'm so worried about.  Just because our numbers are relatively low doesn't mean it's not going to get in to the schools in no time and spread like wildfire.  My brother is a high school teacher, his wife works with him at the school and has MS, and my best friend is also a teacher - I'm really concerned for them (and everyone else!).  I'm hoping that by the time we're supposed to start up (later here than the rest of the country) it will be clear that it's a bad idea to open in person and they backtrack and go online...

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1 hour ago, Scarlett said:

Tulsa Public School district just announced Virtual only for first 9 weeks.  There will be some small group exceptions for mostly special ed students.  I see no 'good' answer to all of this.  I feel so sorry for parents who work and have to now work out child care for their littles or worry about their olders being home all day alone.  I never liked to leave my ds alone all day even when he was plenty old enough to stay alone.  

 

Scarlett, do you by chance know if Broken Arrow is virtual as well? SIL works as a preschool teacher in the district and as far as she and my in laws are concerned life is Back To Normal so it’s hard for us to get real information from any of them. 

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1 hour ago, katilac said:

Our schools are supposed to start in 8 days, and a teacher I talked to yesterday said that they don't even know who will teach virtual and who will teach in person yet. District administration tossed it to the principals, at least some of the principals don't want to decide so they told the teachers to sort it out themselves (each grade deciding). 

Someone who works at the school board just told me that the stack of resignations is twice as high as the stack of new hires. 

I just don't see how it's going to work. 

The kicker for me is that ALL of this could have been avoided if 1) the powers that be didn’t drink the kool aid and 1b) the PTB were honest with themselves and the public. But instead we have an entire nation needlessly anxious and practically paralysed because they didn’t get their sh..t together and allow teachers to fully plan for the virtual year we are going to have, but instead jerked them around with their “we'll just have three plans that we'll change without warning!” BS leaving Teachers, students and parents in an impossible situation. 😞 

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37 minutes ago, MEmama said:

Scarlett, do you by chance know if Broken Arrow is virtual as well? SIL works as a preschool teacher in the district and as far as she and my in laws are concerned life is Back To Normal so it’s hard for us to get real information from any of them. 

During the Tulsa press conference today they mentioned that BA had not yet made a firm decision.  

Edited to add--their website has a complicated looking 're-entry plan'....red zone means distance learning for minimum of 14 days.  I am not sure if BA is currently in a red zone but I bet it is.  I am hopeful they will follow Tulsa's lead.

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3 hours ago, JanOH said:

Ohio governor just made masks mandatory in schools for grades K through 12.  Yay!  Now if the small private school that we are sending my 16yods to will follow the mandate I will be happy.  I'm not expecting it and fully expecting I may need to break his heart over this one 😞  I was willing to let him go with teacher's wearing masks and optional for students as that was in agreement with the state rules but if they choose to not enforce we'll have a major problem. 

Did you see the list of exceptions? I thought it was a little broad vs. just having the kids it applies to get documentation from a physician. 

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13 hours ago, kbutton said:

Did you see the list of exceptions? I thought it was a little broad vs. just having the kids it applies to get documentation from a physician. 

I saw that but I thought it was a good idea.  The way people have been over-reacting to so many of the orders, I think it was a way to preclude all of the "but what about" stuff that usually goes on.  I think that if they didn't list those exceptions, the questions from the press would have been all about situations where kids couldn't wear a mask.  Plus, this keeps all of these kids from needing to have a drs. visit in order to be exempt.  

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Florida teacher's union is suing to stop the state from forcing schools to open. (note, the hearing about this is virtual, as the courts don't feel it is safe to have in person hearings) https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/florida-education-association-lawsuit-school-reopening/67-ff826cf7-049a-4dd7-8728-22bf6ba96b49?fbclid=IwAR1iUxxGSj_cpjNWayS7vlil8FKNdbqgFtEc48WyytfJZ6b3P_InrMyjwUM

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51 minutes ago, JanOH said:

I saw that but I thought it was a good idea.  The way people have been over-reacting to so many of the orders, I think it was a way to preclude all of the "but what about" stuff that usually goes on.  I think that if they didn't list those exceptions, the questions from the press would have been all about situations where kids couldn't wear a mask.  Plus, this keeps all of these kids from needing to have a drs. visit in order to be exempt.  

I think some kind of list is helpful. I just think it's too broad--not all kids with ASD have a problem wearing masks, for instance. The list will end up being a way for people in my area to get out of masking even if it's not a problem for them vs. being used when their individual child has an actual problem. We already have a sheriff around here encouraging people to claim they have a health issue since "they can't ask" about your health issue (which I guess is a gross oversimplification of how it works for people with disabilities also).

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Did you all see the picture from a hallway in a GA high school? That's my nightmare! I wonder how many parents will pull their kids out today. I don't want to post pictures here, but you can just google Georgia high school hallway or something and it will be on top. 

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49 minutes ago, kbutton said:

I think some kind of list is helpful. I just think it's too broad--not all kids with ASD have a problem wearing masks, for instance. The list will end up being a way for people in my area to get out of masking even if it's not a problem for them vs. being used when their individual child has an actual problem. We already have a sheriff around here encouraging people to claim they have a health issue since "they can't ask" about your health issue (which I guess is a gross oversimplification of how it works for people with disabilities also).

Yeah, the "get out of masking" vibe is strong here.  People ignore the law, ignore signs, ignore employees asking them to mask.  The state has mandated that all students must wear masks on buses and in "public" areas of the school and that grades 6+ must wear masks at all times. 

One local school district has already announced that it will only be accepting exemptions from doctors, and that parents will not be allowed to exempt their own children.  They have stated that any student not masking appropriately will be sent home.  I think it is unlikely they will be able to maintain that level of enforcement long, but I also doubt that in person school is going to last for long, so it will probably be a moot point.

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My guess is that the list won't be a "get out of mask free" card since most of those conditions would entitle a child to a 504 or IEP. I doubt parent DX will be enough. 

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22 hours ago, JanOH said:

Ohio governor just made masks mandatory in schools for grades K through 12.  Yay!  Now if the small private school that we are sending my 16yods to will follow the mandate I will be happy.  I'm not expecting it and fully expecting I may need to break his heart over this one 😞  I was willing to let him go with teacher's wearing masks and optional for students as that was in agreement with the state rules but if they choose to not enforce we'll have a major problem. 

Just to follow up.  Private school sent out a message today saying that they will enforce mandatory masks for all students in the school.  I'm relieved!  I was really fearful that it was going to be an issue.  Just ordered my teen some masks with the logo of his favorite NBA team on it and he's actually excited about them!  They were way over-priced but if it makes wearing the masks more fun, I'm all for it.  

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3 hours ago, Paige said:

Did you all see the picture from a hallway in a GA high school? That's my nightmare! I wonder how many parents will pull their kids out today. I don't want to post pictures here, but you can just google Georgia high school hallway or something and it will be on top. 

I saw it. Looks like a normal high school hallway. I don’ know why people can’t understand that normal isn’t going to work right now. 

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35 minutes ago, pitterpatter said:

Our school's drill team is sending girls door to door with order forms to sell insulated metal cups decorated with the school's mascot to round up funds for uniforms. 🤔

Our football and cheer teams have been having car washes every weekend to raise money. Masks looked sporadic and tents for food sharing. 🙃

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3 hours ago, Paige said:

Did you all see the picture from a hallway in a GA high school? That's my nightmare! I wonder how many parents will pull their kids out today. I don't want to post pictures here, but you can just google Georgia high school hallway or something and it will be on top. 

Yep, this is what the hallways will look like.  This is what they always look like.  This.is.not.a.surprise.  

I do not get the magical thinking that high school kids can change classrooms in any kind of socially distanced manner...

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County north of me (not the one with the hallway picture in question, but I saw plenty of similar pictures from it) now has three schools with kids and/or whole classrooms quarantined. On day 3. The first two were elementary schools and they quarantined classroom plus teacher; newest one is a middle school and they're just quarantining individual students who had contact. I wondered how they were going to handle high school and middle school and apparently it's just by deciding in a classroom together for an hour doesn't count as exposure like it does in elementary school.  

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Reopening picture is worse than it looks...

Buzzfeed article, fwiw. Except below...it’s criminal, IMO 

James’s parents saw the photograph that had been circulating Tuesday and told him, “You are not going back to school again,” he said. But a few hours later, his mother had spoken to the school and was told that students who “chose not to go to school” could face suspension or expulsion.

On Wednesday, he went back to school. “I had no choice,” he said.

 

 

 

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Just now, Paige said:

Reopening picture is worse than it looks...

Buzzfeed article, fwiw. Except below...it’s criminal, IMO 

James’s parents saw the photograph that had been circulating Tuesday and told him, “You are not going back to school again,” he said. But a few hours later, his mother had spoken to the school and was told that students who “chose not to go to school” could face suspension or expulsion.

On Wednesday, he went back to school. “I had no choice,” he said.

 

 

 

Why can't they disenroll to homeschool like basically anywhere else in the US? That's not criminal anywhere, AFAIK.

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Just now, square_25 said:

They might not want to? 

Then I'm confused by the quote of her saying that she doesn't want him to go back to school again.

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1 minute ago, EmseB said:

Why can't they disenroll to homeschool like basically anywhere else in the US? That's not criminal anywhere, AFAIK.

I’m sure they could but it may not prevent the suspension or expulsion being on their record: https://edlaw4students.blogspot.com/2011/06/can-parent-withdraw-student-or-move.html?m=1

It’s a difficult issue for upperclassmen who are in the college application game. I’d have pulled my kids if they were there, but not everyone is able to do that.

They shouldn’t be forced into that situation and they shouldn’t have limited the spots for virtual school. 

 

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Just now, square_25 said:

Well, not while things are like this she doesn't. I think they wanted to sign up for virtual schooling but didn't get in. 

How does one not get in to virtual school? Doesn't some iteration of k12 operate everywhere? Even so, she has the legal right to disenroll her kid whatever the case may be.

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3 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Well, not while things are like this she doesn't. I think they wanted to sign up for virtual schooling but didn't get in. 

Right. The virtual option is full and has a waitlist....so the only option is to pull kids and homeschool. Which is not really the easiest thing to figure out on the fly at the last second, particularly for a high school kid. I mean...I've been homeschooling for 14 years, and I'm pretty confident about it, but I still wouldn't want to have to come up with a plan for a year of high school with no notice (and presumably while working full time).

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The county only had so many spots allocated to virtual school. Not everyone could get in and they can’t switch now. 
 

In my state anyone can sign up for virtual and you can switch to it at any time.
 

 

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2 minutes ago, Paige said:

I’m sure they could but it may not prevent the suspension or expulsion being on their record: https://edlaw4students.blogspot.com/2011/06/can-parent-withdraw-student-or-move.html?m=1

It’s a difficult issue for upperclassmen who are in the college application game. I’d have pulled my kids if they were there, but not everyone is able to do that.

They shouldn’t be forced into that situation and they shouldn’t have limited the spots for virtual school. 

 

But millions of people are being forced into that situation, no? I'm not being obtuse on purpose, I truly don't understand what the mom wants if she doesn't want to do school at home and she doesn't want her kid physically in the school and resources for virtual school are limited. I mean parents who both work and have to do virtual are between a rock and a hard place too, right?

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