Menu
Jump to content

What's with the ads?

mom2scouts

Why would someone let a house sit empty for decades?

Recommended Posts

2 minutes ago, Scarlett said:

Spite is never a good reason, I think most people would agree with that. 
 

I don’t know what a GPS house is.   But why not sell it instead of letting it collapse.  

Never underestimate what spite will drive people to do.... Especially in a litigious situation.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, sweet2ndchance said:

Never underestimate what spite will drive people to do.... Especially in a litigious situation.

Agreed.  But still stupid.  
 

When I I think of all the people homeless or living in horrible falling down homes it just makes sick.  

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, mom2scouts said:

This is something we considered, but why would they suddenly be able to sell, especially since it's likely that the mortgage is now paid off?

Saving it for a child is another thing we considered, but the couple who owns it has grandchildren who already own their own houses. We had another house in the neighborhood that sat empty for a couple of years after a suicide and prolonged probate, but doesn't 30 years seem a bit odd? I almost want to call the people and ask (but I don't know them that well)!

 It’s possible they are re-organizing their assets into a trust  of some sort to preserve their estate for their children,  or maybe to do whatever is necessary to protect assets if one of them needs a nursing home, Or because they need the proceeds to pay for a nursing home. Those are possible reasons for selling it now. 

 

2 hours ago, sweet2ndchance said:

We lived in a duplex and rented one side about 10 years ago. There was a detached house with a garage across the street that was always empty. We really wanted a detached house so we started asking around about who we could talk to about renting it and that we were willing to make repairs if necessary. Turned out the house was condemned because there had been a meth lab in the basement from the previous renters years before we moved there. It was a nice enough neighborhood that you would not have suspected a meth lab but you just never know about people sometimes. The owners didn't have enough money to gut the house and rebuild or completely remove the house, basement and all with hazmat gear, and build new. So it just sits there empty for 25+ years now.

 Sadly I think that’s the case with a number of abandoned houses. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Scarlett said:


 

I don’t know what a GPS house is.   But why not sell it instead of letting it collapse.  

 

LOL.   Folks do not want a home without indoor plumbing or a/c these days unless its located in a city with desirable freebies. or near a place they can get work to pay the property taxes.   They also want a 'painted house'.    I sold to a local, someone who knew my gps and didn't need to live on the property while he built himself a home. 

Edited by HeighHo

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I haven't read all of the posts, but I swear you are living in my neighborhood!! We have this exact experience, and I can tell you exactly what happened. My neighbors passed away about 20 years ago (I lived here then, and knew them). Their only daughter had died of cancer leaving a son to be raised by the homeowners (grandparents) He was in his young teens. After the death of the grandparents, he went to live with his estranged father's family. Only family he had left. That was 20 years ago. He owned the house and I'm not sure why they never sold it, but it just sat empty. Very rundown. To the point where neighbors (lots of construction workers in my neighborhood) started to maintain the outside of the house so the neighborhood would remain safe. Main problem.....I'm not lying....raccoons broke into the house. They back door had rotted and they just pushed their way in. We documented 10 HUGE raccoons living in there. Old time neighbors had no way to contact the family so they contacted the health department who did very little. Taxes were paid on the property so their hands were tied. They did help get rid of the raccoons. But a happy ending just happened about a month ago. The grandson is all grown up and married with kids. He decided to come back to our state and live in the house. They've stripped it down and made it livable. He's not wealthy so it will take time to fix it up but he and his young family officially moved in this last weekend. I haven't gone down to see him yet, due to our stay at home. Numbers are rising so I don't want to freak them out..I doubt he'd remember us. But it's so wonderful to see lights on etc. But it has been weird all of these years. 😉

  • Like 14

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, PerfectFifth said:

I haven't read all of the posts, but I swear you are living in my neighborhood!! We have this exact experience, and I can tell you exactly what happened. My neighbors passed away about 20 years ago (I lived here then, and knew them). Their only daughter had died of cancer leaving a son to be raised by the homeowners (grandparents) He was in his young teens. After the death of the grandparents, he went to live with his estranged father's family. Only family he had left. That was 20 years ago. He owned the house and I'm not sure why they never sold it, but it just sat empty. Very rundown. To the point where neighbors (lots of construction workers in my neighborhood) started to maintain the outside of the house so the neighborhood would remain safe. Main problem.....I'm not lying....raccoons broke into the house. They back door had rotted and they just pushed their way in. We documented 10 HUGE raccoons living in there. Old time neighbors had no way to contact the family so they contacted the health department who did very little. Taxes were paid on the property so their hands were tied. They did help get rid of the raccoons. But a happy ending just happened about a month ago. The grandson is all grown up and married with kids. He decided to come back to our state and live in the house. They've stripped it down and made it livable. He's not wealthy so it will take time to fix it up but he and his young family officially moved in this last weekend. I haven't gone down to see him yet, due to our stay at home. Numbers are rising so I don't want to freak them out..I doubt he'd remember us. But it's so wonderful to see lights on etc. But it has been weird all of these years. 😉

They were re-enacting Pom Poko, clearly.

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, PerfectFifth said:

I haven't read all of the posts, but I swear you are living in my neighborhood!! We have this exact experience, and I can tell you exactly what happened. My neighbors passed away about 20 years ago (I lived here then, and knew them). Their only daughter had died of cancer leaving a son to be raised by the homeowners (grandparents) He was in his young teens. After the death of the grandparents, he went to live with his estranged father's family. Only family he had left. That was 20 years ago. He owned the house and I'm not sure why they never sold it, but it just sat empty. Very rundown. To the point where neighbors (lots of construction workers in my neighborhood) started to maintain the outside of the house so the neighborhood would remain safe. Main problem.....I'm not lying....raccoons broke into the house. They back door had rotted and they just pushed their way in. We documented 10 HUGE raccoons living in there. Old time neighbors had no way to contact the family so they contacted the health department who did very little. Taxes were paid on the property so their hands were tied. They did help get rid of the raccoons. But a happy ending just happened about a month ago. The grandson is all grown up and married with kids. He decided to come back to our state and live in the house. They've stripped it down and made it livable. He's not wealthy so it will take time to fix it up but he and his young family officially moved in this last weekend. I haven't gone down to see him yet, due to our stay at home. Numbers are rising so I don't want to freak them out..I doubt he'd remember us. But it's so wonderful to see lights on etc. But it has been weird all of these years. 😉

Thank you for that story with such a happy ending!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't know anything about this, but we have houses in my native country sitting empty for years because people who owned them live abroad and used them for a base when they visited periodically, they die and their children don't come that often or at all. The house sits empty for years or even decades and then suddenly it is sold as the children themselves age and are consolidating their property. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Is this house in a place where the real value is in the land? They could just be sitting on the investment figuring it’ll appreciate eventually then the house will get flipped or razed. I think my mom’s house is worth more than her land, but the opposite is true in a lot of places. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, KungFuPanda said:

Is this house in a place where the real value is in the land? They could just be sitting on the investment figuring it’ll appreciate eventually then the house will get flipped or razed. I think my mom’s house is worth more than her land, but the opposite is true in a lot of places. 

No, the land is virtually worthless without the house. It's a thriving older neighborhood with small lots. The house could easily be rented or sold in any condition. If someone razed the house and built new, the new house wouldn't be worth much more than the old one and wouldn't be able to be much bigger than other homes in the neighborhood.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, EmilyGF said:

Two strange real life stories that happened on my street growing up. Both bizarre.

1) A lawyer had bought up all the houses, planning to build an office park. In the end, he didn't get the permitting. In order to get back at the city, it let everything get totally run down, doing no maintenance for decades. The houses weren't empty, but he was getting maybe 20% of the rent he could have in the market. So maybe a feud with the area?

2) The only house on our block the lawyer didn't own was owned by a big-time drug producer. He used it to get fertilizer shipments sent to. At some point he was arrested after threatening a neighbor near one of his other houses with an assault rifle. He was sent to prison for quite a while and the house sat vacant. Maybe prison?

3) ETA we have a house on our block currently that is vacant for years on end. Nuns owned it and then get into a quarrel with the cul-de-sac association. They sold one of the two houses they owned at a loss and then just decided to let this one sit empty, maybe hoping that prices will go back up. Sporadically a friend or relative of one of the nuns stays in the house for a few weeks, maybe 1-2 months per year tops. Maybe because the society owns it and not a person they have lower property taxes? Not sure.

Emily

I really want to hear more about these quarreling nuns.  

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, mom2scouts said:

No, the land is virtually worthless without the house. It's a thriving older neighborhood with small lots. The house could easily be rented or sold in any condition. If someone razed the house and built new, the new house wouldn't be worth much more than the old one and wouldn't be able to be much bigger than other homes in the neighborhood.

 

There might be a reason it could not be rented that is unknown to you. 

Look up what it was bought for compared to sale price.  

Were there property tax freezes at an old tax level? Or did it have high taxes?

these things (and very likely even whether there was or was not a mortgage) may be discoverable online nowadays 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We sort of know someone who has done this.  In their case, having the house not occupied and no certificate of occupancy means they don’t have to pay the taxes.  The taxes with a CO are going to be in the ball park of 18k a year.  Without that CO, taxes are the land only price and about 3k a year.  The house they started building is gorgeous and would be a hallmark house when done.  Why they even started the house when they knew what the taxes would be is something I don’t get it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All interesting theories!  (And all believable!)  I don't have experience with that, but know of a home where someone actually lived in it but it appeared vacant for years.  My dh lived across the street from a large, beautiful, very old home (100+ years).  A large family lived there (I think 10+ children -- it was an old Irish Catholic neighborhood).  Eventually the children grew up, and the parents lived there alone.  When the father died, one of the older kids (60+ by then) moved in to help.  He was single, always kind of a loner.  His mother had had a lawn company take care of the lawn, etc., and he helped her with everything else until she passed away.  Then, he continued on living there.  He fired the lawn company, and never did a thing about the lawn after that.  Everything became overgrown, to the point where the home was no longer visible behind the overgrown trees, bushes, shrubs, etc.  The front door was no longer even reachable.  A delivery truck was seen about once/week bringing items (groceries?).  They'd drive to the end of the driveway which ended up behind the house.  The house looked completely empty from the front.  But, it was well-known in the neighborhood that the loner son still lived there.  My MIL sold her home about 8 years ago so we haven't been back to the neighborhood to see what was happening across the street!  

  • Confused 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We have a vacant house on our street.  It's a manufactured home on 2 acres. I have no idea why they don't rent it, sell it, or just use the land for horses, but they don't.  Someone keeps up with mowing and the roof was recently replaced. I thought someone would move in when they re-did the roof, but no. It's not a hoarder house either, because you can see in the windows. There are just a few boxes and a sofa. *shrug* It's actually a very well-kept property and it's been empty for at least 6 years. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We had a landlord who owned the house we lived in plus the house next door.  No one had lived in the house next door for YEARS! He grew up in the house next door and bought the house from his parents when they moved into assisted living. He never lived there as an adult but talked frequently about updating the inside and getting it ready as a rental. However....

Turns out he had a sister who died in an accident when she was a teenager and her room was exactly the same as it was on the day she died some 40-50 years ago. He filled the house with all kinds of stuff in a hoarder-ish way everywhere but her bedroom. He mowed the lawn once a week, did yard work/snow removal and general exterior care of the house like someone lived there.  But while he would talk about renting or selling to one of his kids, reality was he was going to hang onto it until the day he died. We've been away from that neighborhood for almost ten years now, and that vacant house sits there just like it always did.

  • Sad 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We had a house on our street that was unoccupied for a couple of years. My (very vague) understanding is that the house is in some sort of trust and can't be sold. If someone from the family doesn't want to live there, it sits empty. 

ETA: I don't know if they can rent it out. I get the impression no one would want the hassle. 

Edited by guilfordlake
additional info

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not a house....but I have a relative that inherited money when her son was killed. She refuses to spend, give it away or invest the money. She calls it blood money and that no one should benefit from it. It sits in an account and she will never touch it. 

I could see a similar situation happening with a house. 

  • Sad 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Tap said:

Not a house....but I have a relative that inherited money when her son was killed. She refuses to spend, give it away or invest the money. She calls it blood money and that no one should benefit from it. It sits in an account and she will never touch it. 

I could see a similar situation happening with a house. 

Poor thing. I can understand that. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We had a house in our old neighborhood that was never occupied in the 14 years we lived there.  I heard the kids were dealing with probate and will issues.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My mil has her Mom's old house just sitting empty. I think it has been around 10 yrs now. She blames her brother, says he won't let go of it but whenever you say something about doing this or that so they an sell it she has some excuse why she can't. She has a hard time letting go of things, aspiring hoarder, and there is still things in the house. She can't bare to sell it with anything in there but can't fit more of it in her house(she's already brought so much home her house is stuffed) and can't get rid of it either. We expect that when she dies we'll be the ones left to deal with it and the mountain of things in her own home.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/22/2020 at 9:44 AM, Arctic Mama said:

They were re-enacting Pom Poko, clearly.

Officially the weirdest movie I have ever seen. LOLOLOLOLOL Bazaar doesn't even begin to describe this movie. 

DS collects anime, so I have seen a fair bit. This movie, will live on forever in my brain as the 'WTF is happening' movie.  I think especially since it is anime, I feel like they had more opportunity to rethink a few things. And the director is phenomenal!!!! But nope...it is all there...in its rolled-out glory... (if you have seen this movie, you will understand this comment). Odd, especially for Ghibli. 

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My husband and I feel the same way, as major anime lovers.  It is just so, so strange.  Even knowing he Japanese lore it is based on.  Nope. Nooooope.  Too damn weird.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My dad's house is like this.  My stepmother can't sell because she'd have to split the money up, 50% for her, 50% for us kids.  She doesn't want that, so she lives out of state with her boyfriend. She can't marry him even though she's been with him 15 years, because she'd lose some of the money from my dad.

On 6/22/2020 at 4:19 PM, CuriousMomof3 said:

I really want to hear more about these quarreling nuns.  

Never underestimate the spitefulness of some nuns.  They're not all holy, they are people just like all of us.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...