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Just now, Ktgrok said:

As a Floridian I'm trying to grasp the idea of going to the beach to cool down, lol. I'm guessing they must be much cooler there? Here, the direct sun plus the sand reflecting it, the humid air...beaches are HOT. And a frail senior who can't take heat well is unlikely to be able to swim a ton, and the water here of course is much warmer, if water is the point? Maybe we need splash pads for seniors? (only sort of joking, some countries have created playgrounds for seniors, so why not?)

When I lived in California we were at the beach almost every week.
 

When I lived in Florida we rarely went (even though we lived 15 minutes away). 

Florida is just too hot but California was almost always pleasant.

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7 minutes ago, Ktgrok said:

As a Floridian I'm trying to grasp the idea of going to the beach to cool down, lol. I'm guessing they must be much cooler there? 

It’s about 30 degrees Fahrenheit cooler at the beach (Pacific Ocean side) than inland. We happily make the drive during summer especially when inland is around 100 degrees Fahrenheit.

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Half Moon Bay’s weather https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/half-moon-bay/california/united-states/usca0459

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3 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

It’s about 30 degrees Fahrenheit cooler at the beach (Pacific Ocean side) than inland. We happily make the drive during summer especially when inland is around 100 degrees Fahrenheit.

oh wow! Yeah, we get a breeze most of the time on the beach, but it is not that much of a difference, I guess because the water isn't as cold so doesn't cool thing off as much?

Just checked - it is currently 80 degrees at my house, in the center of the state, and 79 degrees at Cocoa Beach. So yeah, no real difference, other than a breeze. 

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1 minute ago, Ktgrok said:

oh wow! Yeah, we get a breeze most of the time on the beach, but it is not that much of a difference, I guess because the water isn't as cold so doesn't cool thing off as much?

FL is humid, isn't it? So, the air is saturated with water, and no additional water can evaporate. The evaporation cools down the air because it takes energy for the phase change.

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Just now, regentrude said:

FL is humid, isn't it? So, the air is saturated with water, and no additional water can evaporate. The evaporation cools down the air because it takes energy for the phase change.

Yes, very humid. That makes sense. So the ocean water evaporating cools things down there, but here the air is already saturated, so nope. 

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19 minutes ago, regentrude said:

FL is humid, isn't it? So, the air is saturated with water, and no additional water can evaporate. The evaporation cools down the air because it takes energy for the phase change.

Also the Pacific Ocean is around 50 degrees in summer, at least where I grew up in Northern California. In the valley where I lived it could be sunshine and 90, but in the 50s and deeply foggy 20 minutes away on the ocean. I miss the summer fog.

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Santa Clara County

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/santa-clara-county-homes-fail-covid-19-inspections/2281791/

“Three Santa Clara county nursing homes failed recent federal inspections conducted in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak, with inspectors faulting the facilities for failing to adhere to standards related to  hand washing and personal protective equipment and patient monitoring, documents obtained by NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit show. 

Almaden Health and Rehab Center and Empress Care Center, both in San Jose, and Camden Postacute Care in Campbell were faulted by federal inspectors in reports issued earlier this month.

At Almaden, inspectors could find “no evidence of process surveillance to ensure staff were being monitored’’ as to hand washing. 

The Investigative Unit

Inspectors noted that the designated infection prevention officer at Empress Care “confirmed she had not been monitoring staff” for compliance with federal regulations designed to prevent outbreaks – including hand washing, use of masks and gowns and monitoring for Covid-19 symptoms.  

The staff of  Camden Postacute, meanwhile,  “failed to ensure all staff were trained on the proper use of PPE (Personal Protection Equipment) and failed to monitor the effectiveness of infection prevention, specifically the surveillance of hand hygiene,” the inspection report found. 

The three homes did not respond to requests for comment on the findings issued the first week of this month. 
So far, the three homes have not shown up of the state’s accounting of Covid-19 stricken nursing homes. Currently, about one out of five homes on average have been hit.

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Dr. Michael Wasserman, present of the California Association of Long-Term Care Medicine, said one way to do that is make the currently part-time infection prevention officers at the state’s nursing homes be full time during the epidemic. The nursing home industry is already short-staffed and scrambling, he said.

“This is a case where we have to tell them what to do in my opinion,” Wasserman said. “The infection preventionists in the nursing homes need to be literally the generals, they need to go around the building” and watch everything going on. “If you see a doctor, not washing his or her hands -- you call him out on it. “ 

Wasserman says that simply emphasizing handwashing, along with and proper use of masks and gloves, will go a long way. “If everyone does that really well, I have actually very little doubt that we can have an impact on this virus.” 

But so far, he says, he hasn’t heard back from the governor’s office on the proposal he floated in March  that the state order infection prevention officers to work full time at all 1,200 of the state’s nursing homes.”

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5 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet - WA is now extending the SIP past May 4th - with no end date.

Well, there is usually not much sun until August in the Seattle area anyway, so maybe by the time you all get let out there well be sun and vitamin D to be had!

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To respond to the title of this thread. I am over 70 and everyone in that group is strictly confined to their homes, until May 31st or June 1st.  Younger people, I believe their quarantine was scheduled to end approximately 27 April, but was then extended through May 11th.

However, Colombia has relaxed a few of the restrictions, including allowing, I believe, Manufacturing and Construction workers to return to work. I also read something about being able to exercise for one hour a day, depending on what regulations the city one lives in might have about that. There are regulations about Separation, etc., applying to those who can return to work.

In general, I believe the rules here are much more strict than those in most places in the USA. I believe for quarantine violations, if someone was really horrible, they could throw the book at them and put them in prison for 4 to 8 years and fine them?  However, I believe that probably won't happen.  There was a young man a few miles from us who apparently violated the quarantine repeatedly and the police did eventually take him in, but I suspect they were doing that reluctantly, because of his  belligerence, after pleading with him for him to go home and stay there.

Airline flights in Colombia are still prohibited.  I believe International flights may resume on June 1st, but that's iffy IMO and may be extended.  Domestic flights are also still prohibited.   I heard an airplane nearby awhile ago and got my phone which has the Flight Aware App and it was a COPA flight (excellent airline based in Panama) overflying, from Panama City to somewhere in South America. So, Panama is permitting International flights, which many countries including Colombia have prohibited.

Restaurants are closed but one can call on the phone and go to pick up (our Lunch was obtained that way, last Saturday) or have them deliver to the house.

One person from our house can go to the supermarket, one day a week to shop, depending on the last digit of their "Cedula" (National identity card). That determines the day and whether in the morning or afternoon.

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11 minutes ago, Lanny said:

To respond to the title of this thread. I am over 70 and everyone in that group is strictly confined to their homes, until May 31st or June 1st.  Younger people, I believe their quarantine was scheduled to end approximately 27 April, but was then extended through May 11th.

However, Colombia has relaxed a few of the restrictions, including allowing, I believe, Manufacturing and Construction workers to return to work. I also read something about being able to exercise for one hour a day, depending on what regulations the city one lives in might have about that. There are regulations about Separation, etc., applying to those who can return to work.

In general, I believe the rules here are much more strict than those in most places in the USA. I believe for quarantine violations, if someone was really horrible, they could throw the book at them and put them in prison for 4 to 8 years and fine them?  However, I believe that probably won't happen.  There was a young man a few miles from us who apparently violated the quarantine repeatedly and the police did eventually take him in, but I suspect they were doing that reluctantly, because of his  belligerence, after pleading with him for him to go home and stay there.

Airline flights in Colombia are still prohibited.  I believe International flights may resume on June 1st, but that's iffy IMO and may be extended.  Domestic flights are also still prohibited.   I heard an airplane nearby awhile ago and got my phone which has the Flight Aware App and it was a COPA flight (excellent airline based in Panama) overflying, from Panama City to somewhere in South America. So, Panama is permitting International flights, which many countries including Colombia have prohibited.

Restaurants are closed but one can call on the phone and go to pick up (our Lunch was obtained that way, last Saturday) or have them deliver to the house.

One person from our house can go to the supermarket, one day a week to shop, depending on the last digit of their "Cedula" (National identity card). That determines the day and whether in the morning or afternoon.

Lanny, do you find that most people are compliant? Here in the US we have such a hard time; I always wonder what it’s actually like “on the ground” other places. I’ll admit I don’t know much about Colombian culture, but I assume it’s generally more communitarian than much of the US? 

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1 hour ago, mathnerd said:

One solution for cooling centers and fire season evacuation could be to repurpose sporting arenas and convention centers to temporarily accommodate the people who need such services and to run city wide shuttles to pick them up. Along the lines of this: 

Is Santa Clara Convention center still used for surge standby and the fairgrounds used for housing the homeless? 

San Jose Convention Center is unused I think and high school gyms/multipurpose halls are unused. Levi's Stadium and Earthquakes Stadium (Avaya stadium) would be too hot for cooling centers but SAP Center at San Jose (San Jose Arena, SJ Sharks) should work. The Tech Museum has a big exhibition hall for seasonal exhibits that is empty when not in used.

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42 minutes ago, kdsuomi said:

Maybe, but our county doesn't have any of that. They could likely do something at the college but would have to add air conditioning. 

How about Senior Center Community halls, your county's high school gyms, church halls? those could be repurposed. I am just brainstorming and I am merely an armchair analyst ...

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21 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

Is Santa Clara Convention center still used for surge standby and the fairgrounds used for housing the homeless? 

San Jose Convention Center is unused I think and high school gyms/multipurpose halls are unused. Levi's Stadium and Earthquakes Stadium (Avaya stadium) would be too hot for cooling centers but SAP Center at San Jose (San Jose Arena, SJ Sharks) should work. The Tech Museum has a big exhibition hall for seasonal exhibits that is empty when not in used.

They could also use the huge high school gyms near downtown area (Independence High School comes to mind as I have been to international tournaments with thousands of people there).

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8 minutes ago, mathnerd said:

How about Senior Center Community halls, your county's high school gyms, church halls? those could be repurposed. I am just brainstorming and I am merely an armchair analyst ...

The senior center is quite small but if senior centers, teen centers and community centers are allowed to be reopened as cooling centers, that would help.

53 minutes ago, kdsuomi said:

Maybe, but our county doesn't have any of that. They could likely do something at the college but would have to add air conditioning. 

Does your county's  community college and colleges have aircon cafeteria/dining halls and lecture halls? Summer term is confirmed to be online so those facilities could be used as cooling centers.  

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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/cooling-center.html

"COVID-19 and Cooling Centers

Interim guidance to reduce the risk of introducing and transmitting SARS COV-2 (the agent responsible for causing COVID-19 disease) in cooling centers.

Who this guidance is for: Federal, state, local, and tribal jurisdictions in the United States considering opening or operating cooling centers during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Considerations and Potential Intervention Strategies

Utility Assistance

Consider implementing or expanding programs that provide utility assistance, such as the low-income home energy assistance program (LIHEAP) or similar methods that provide financial assistance for home air conditioner use. A temporary ban on utility shut-offs during heat waves would allow people to continue using home air conditioning. This strategy could lower the number of people utilizing cooling centers.

Staff and Volunteers

Plan for staff and volunteer absences. Develop flexible attendance and sick-leave policies. Staff (and volunteers) may need to stay home when they are sick, caring for a sick household member, or caring for their children during school dismissals. Identify critical job functions and positions, and plan for alternative coverage by cross-training cooling center staff.

Screening and Alternative Sites for Symptomatic and Asymptomatic Individuals

If resources are available, consider implementing verbal screening or temperature checks before admitting visitors to the cooling center. If possible, provide alternative cooling sites for those showing symptoms of COVID-19 (i.e., fever, cough, shortness of breath). This may be separate rooms within cooling centers or a space that can be used to accommodate visitors with symptoms and separate them from others. Designate an alternate site, or a separate room and bathroom (if available) for visitors with mild illness who remain at the cooling center. Be prepared to contact emergency officials (call 911) in the case of severe illness requiring medical assistance.

Physical Distancing

Maintain social (physical) distancing within cooling centers, ideally at least six feet between individuals. Consider separation of furniture and creating spaces for individual family units (families who live together do not need to maintain physical distancing in a cooling center). In larger cooling center facilities, it may be possible to provide adequate space for social distancing among visitors. Smaller cooling centers can limit the number of visitors, in accordance with local guidelines that limit the size of gatherings. This could lower capacity, so consider setting up a greater number of smaller cooling centers. If a lack of potential cooling center sites arises, emergency alternatives such as using parked air-conditioned buses can be utilized. Communities may also partner with closed businesses, such as movie theaters, as alternative cooling sites.

Air Filtration

It may not be possible to locate cooling centers in buildings with high ventilation capacity similar to healthcare facilities. If possible cooling centers should be equipped with air exchange systems, and be located in buildings with tall ceilings. Utilize the highest efficiency filters that are compatible with the cooling center’s existing HVAC system, and adopt “clean-to-dirty” directional airflows. If resources allow, ceiling fans with upward airflow rotation combined with upper-air ultraviolet germicidal irradiation (UVGI) disinfection systems can be utilized. When conditions allow (low humidity), shaded outdoor spaces with cross-draft airflow augmented by evaporative coolers may provide a safer alternative.

Cleaning

Follow the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) cleaning and disinfection guidelines for community facilities, and cleaning facilities if someone is sick. Because even individuals with no symptoms can still transmit the virus, and the virus can survive for several days on non-porous surfaces, it is important to continue routine cleaning and disinfection (every day if possible) with a focus on high touch surfaces, including those in common areas and bathrooms.

Communication

Enhance communication about COVID-19 onsite. Use health messages and materials developed by credible public health sources, such as your local and state public health departments or CDC. Read more about everyday preventive actions. Share or post COVID-19 posters and CDC Fact Sheets and keep your visitors informed about public health recommendations to prevent disease spread. Messaging may include:

  • Posting signs at entrances and in strategic places providing instruction on hand hygiene, respiratory hygiene, cough etiquette, and cloth face coverings.
  • Providing educational materials about COVID-19 for non-English speakers, as needed.
  • Encouraging ill staff and volunteers to stay home (or be sent home if they develop symptoms while at the facility), to prevent transmitting the infection to others.

Identify and address potential language, cultural, and disability barriers associated with communicating COVID-19 information to workers, volunteers, and those visiting cooling centers. Learn more about reaching people of diverse languages and cultures.

Prevention Supplies

If available, provide COVID-19 prevention supplies onsite at cooling centers. Have supplies on hand for staff, volunteers, and visitors, such as soap, alcohol-based hand sanitizers that contain at least 60% alcohol, tissues, and trash baskets. Visitors and staff should wear a cloth face covering, or if supplies are available, be given a clean disposable facemaskpdf icon, even if they are not showing any symptoms. Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious, incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance. Place posters that encourage hand hygiene to help stop the spread at the entrance to the facility, at sinks in restrooms, and in other areas where they are likely to be seen. If water bottles are distributed at the cooling center, ensure visitors to not share bottles or glasses."

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1 minute ago, Arcadia said:

The senior center is quite small but if senior centers, teen centers and community centers are allowed to be reopened as cooling centers, that would help.

Does your county's  community college and colleges have aircon cafeteria/dining halls and lecture halls? Summer term is confirmed to be online so those facilities could be used as cooling centers.  

I thought I'd read that recirculated air and air conditioning could aerosolize the virus and make it more communicable.  Putting the most vulnerable all together in a room with recirculated air seems not the best idea??

Here's an article about it... https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradjaphe/2020/04/25/new-cdc-study-suggests-air-conditioning-at-restaurants-can-spread-covid-19/#389dddee1f39

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There was a lot of grumbling out here on the east bay...from the start everyone is being pushed to support local business by ordering takeout and shopping from local businesses first. The last week or so I noticed more comolaints about what people are missing out on. Earlier this week, one mom in our hs group was posting on her FB about constitutional rights, a couple of posts on a local FB group about empty hospitals and lots of complaining about a possible delay to the start of the school year.

But now, people are flipping their lids at the announcement that u-pick season will begin as normal. Lots of protesting about outsiders coming in, lack of bathrooms/washing facilities, crowding at local parks, etc. Suddenly supporting local business/opening up is a terrible idea.

Our family already decided we won't be going to any u-picks (not even their pre-picked stands since they get fruit from the same area as the u-pick area), just based on how often we see people eating while picking (you're not supposed to but it happens all the time and no one ever really enforces it, or not that we've seen in the dozens of years we've been going) and the crowds they draw. I honestly don't see how they could run u-pick season as usual. Some of the parking lots get jam packed and there aren't handwashing stations...are they going to make everyone use hand sanitizer on entry? Limit entrance? Follow people to make sure they don't sample? 

Anyway, was a bit like whiplash to get on after checking out for a couple days to see the tide so suddenly changed.

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23 minutes ago, LoveMyBeautifulGift said:

But now, people are flipping their lids at the announcement that u-pick season will begin as normal. Lots of protesting about outsiders coming in, lack of bathrooms/washing facilities, crowding at local parks, etc. Suddenly supporting local business/opening up is a terrible idea.

I don't think my family would go for something like this https://www.mikesupick.com/ 

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We might go for this (as in the farm stand with the U pick closed) http://www.swantonberryfarm.com/upick

"Davenport, CA 95017


Farm Stand COVID-19 Update

Hi All - We are still open for TO GO! We have our farm made bakery treats (Strawberry Shortcake, Berry Cobblers, Pies, Scones, Chocolate Dipped Berries, Truffles, and more), Vegan Soups, Fresh Strawberries and Artichokes. Please wear a mask and wash your hands before you enter! We have a hand washing station right by the door. Remember to respect the 6+ feet rule. Please be patient and ask our staff if you need any assistance.

Organic Strawberry U-PIck

Due to COVID-19 we will not open our U-Pick Locations until our public health officials tell us it is safe! Thanks for you understanding."

 

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8 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

I don't think my family would go for something like this https://www.mikesupick.com/ 

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We might go for this (as in the farm stand with the U pick closed) http://www.swantonberryfarm.com/upick

"Davenport, CA 95017


Farm Stand COVID-19 Update

Hi All - We are still open for TO GO! We have our farm made bakery treats (Strawberry Shortcake, Berry Cobblers, Pies, Scones, Chocolate Dipped Berries, Truffles, and more), Vegan Soups, Fresh Strawberries and Artichokes. Please wear a mask and wash your hands before you enter! We have a hand washing station right by the door. Remember to respect the 6+ feet rule. Please be patient and ask our staff if you need any assistance.

Organic Strawberry U-PIck

Due to COVID-19 we will not open our U-Pick Locations until our public health officials tell us it is safe! Thanks for you understanding."

 

Yes-we will absolutely go to the stands that are open but aren't doing u-pick. I'm hoping these will be a good alternative to the farmers market (which I only tried once since they opened this year bc there was zero social distancing happening).

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23 hours ago, Arcadia said:

I drop an online accounting class by the drop date because the online textbook is crap which is why I didn’t buy the soft copy, and libraries and bookstores are shut which means I can’t borrow or buy books to supplement the class. I’ll wait for libraries and bookstores to reopen, get the books I think would be helpful, and then sign up for the same class. 

My kids needed sea shells for a lab. I bought mussels from the supermarket for the shells.

That's homeschool mom ingenuity. I was able to buy some things for labs online as they were considered essentials since they were food items. 

Not having library has been a BIG adjustment. One of the first things I bought online was a book that we had been rechecking from the library, and had just turned in, planning to recheck within the week. But in not having free access to pick up every book I hear about in my day to day life and just requesting it online and picking up, we've actually had time to read from the giant basket of library books that we have checked out (some since February, because they just had everyone keep what they had at shutdown,) to the bottom of the basket- you know the ones that usually get rechecked thirty times until I finally realize we read enough books on *insert whatever topic or season or holiday I had reserved it for* and that I can finally take it back. 

We just read a book I checked out for LO for Valentine's Day that has had her in tears of laughter this week, and that has inspired her to read from it on her own. So we are enjoying what we already have more instead of getting more and more. 

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Modoc County 

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-modoc-county-ease-stay-home-order/

“ALTURAS (AP) — Sparsely populated Modoc County in California’s northeast corner plans to allow the reopening of its schools, hair salons, churches, restaurants and the county’s only movie theater Friday, becoming the first county in the state to ease out of stay-at-home orders and flout the governor’s mandate.

Ned Coe, a cattle rancher and county supervisor, said Thursday that the county across the border from Oregon has no confirmed COVID-19 cases. After consulting with health officials, the Board of Supervisors voted to re-open Friday, he said.

“Just as our physical health is vital for our citizens, so is the mental health and the economic health of our citizens,” Coe said.

The plan asks business owners in the county of about 9,000 people that spans 4,200 square miles to make sure customers remain 6 feet apart. It asks restaurants to cut their capacity by half and requires residents who are 65 or older or have underlying health conditions to continue to stay home.

Coe said county officials sent a letter to Gov. Gavin Newsom about a week ago outlining their plan, which he said meets the guidelines outlined by the governor for stay-home orders to be eased out in phases, but they haven’t received a response. He said he was not worried the state might take legal action against the county for violating his order, which does not yet allow such businesses to reopen.

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Most parts of the county are so sparsely populated that people already keep their distance from each other, Coe said. He said the hairstylist he frequents has only one chair at her salon and works alone.

“Social distancing was the norm here before it became the popular thing in the state,” Coe said.

The plan will be revisited after two weeks, and the stricter measures could be reinstated if at least two people test positive for the coronavirus, according to the new guidelines.”

 

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5 hours ago, Arcadia said:

It’s about 30 degrees Fahrenheit cooler at the beach (Pacific Ocean side) than inland. We happily make the drive during summer especially when inland is around 100 degrees Fahrenheit.

ETA:

Half Moon Bay’s weather https://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/half-moon-bay/california/united-states/usca0459

The NorCal beaches are pretty cold most of the summer.  The fog comes in overhead, and the water never warms up all year, and you have to wear a sweat shirt if the breezes come in off the water.  It is never ever humid.  Actually, it tends to be kind of uncomfortably chilly and windy.  The nice, warm time to visit is Sept/Oct.

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2 minutes ago, Carol in Cal. said:

The NorCal beaches are pretty cold most of the summer.  The fog comes in overhead, and the water never warms up all year, and you have to wear a sweat shirt if the breezes come in off the water.  It is never ever humid.  Actually, it tends to be kind of uncomfortably chilly and windy.  The nice, warm time to visit is Sept/Oct.

I can never get into the 40 degree pacific water in mid july and I used to feel sorry for the kids who were in the water in peak summer. As you say, Sep is pretty tolerable 🙂

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42 minutes ago, mathnerd said:

I can never get into the 40 degree pacific water in mid july and I used to feel sorry for the kids who were in the water in peak summer. As you say, Sep is pretty tolerable 🙂

NorCal beaches are not really about the water.  They're about the sand, and the view, and the wildlife.  The rocks.  The cliffs.  The weirdly distorted trees.  

Hollywood notwithstanding. 

Hollywood is SoCal.  Totally different.

As a kid growing up here, I did get in the water.  Not because it was inviting, but because it was endlessly fascinating.  The process was always one of progressive numbness.  You'd start by walking on the wet sand right near the edge.  A wave would splash your bare feet.  They would go numb rather quickly.  You'd move out a little further, and your ankles would, similarly, go numb.  And so on.  My personal limit was up to my armpits, but that was more about my concern about undertow than about real swimming pleasure.

 

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Our governor just extended our state of emergency and the disaster declaration until May 28th after the the legislature failed to extend them.  The GOP is threatening a lawsuit.  Another lawsuit brought by businesses was settled yesterday, with the judge deciding in favor of the governor.  Our current stay at home order is until May 15th, although I could see that extending depending on numbers.  Who is "done" seems to be regional, economical, and sadly political.

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1 hour ago, melmichigan said:

Our governor just extended our state of emergency and the disaster declaration until May 28th after the the legislature failed to extend them.  The GOP is threatening a lawsuit.  Another lawsuit brought by businesses was settled yesterday, with the judge deciding in favor of the governor.  Our current stay at home order is until May 15th, although I could see that extending depending on numbers.  Who is "done" seems to be regional, economical, and sadly political.

Our local news here is reporting armed protestors in Michigan.  The photo they had showed four people and one with a gun so hopefully they’re exaggerating!

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46 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Our local news here is reporting armed protestors in Michigan.  The photo they had showed four people and one with a gun so hopefully they’re exaggerating!

There were AK47 rifles at the state Capitol during last week's protest ... so, it is not exaggeration.

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2 hours ago, Carol in Cal. said:

NorCal beaches are not really about the water.  They're about the sand, and the view, and the wildlife.  The rocks.  The cliffs.  The weirdly distorted trees.  
 

The Mavericks 🙂 The waves at Ocean Beach are lovely too.

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Solano County

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/north-bay/solano-county-business-owners-fighting-against-stay-at-home-order/2282514/

“Small businesses deemed nonessential are fighting back in Solano County by reopening despite the stay-at-home order.

Pawn shop owner Ryann Wilkes has been doing business in Vacaville for 35 years and he’s determined to keep going. 

He reopened Value Gold and Silver Exchange two weeks ago despite the county’s shelter-at-home order. 

“The chances of catching are very low in Northern California,” Wilkes said. “I don’t think we need to shut everything down because of that.”

He’s not alone. Hairendipity Salon opened Tuesday to regular customers by appointment only and Primo’s Barber Shop will open Friday.

There’s a growing sense of frustration among small business owners and more and more of them, deemed by the state as nonessential, are taking matters into their own hands.

“I do think it’s time for sure,” said boutique owner Ashley Gall.

She said it’s time to start reopening. She’s getting by with on-line orders but she says most of her fellow merchants are hurting.”

“The government in the beginning talked a very big talk about support that’s coming and none of us have seen any of it,” said Gall. 

Vacaville’s Mayor Ron Rowlett is also voicing concern. In a letter to the board of supervisors he said the extended shelter at home order is “devastating to the City of Vacaville’s economy” and urges the board to develop a “phased reopening plan”

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14 hours ago, MEmama said:

Lanny, do you find that most people are compliant? Here in the US we have such a hard time; I always wonder what it’s actually like “on the ground” other places. I’ll admit I don’t know much about Colombian culture, but I assume it’s generally more communitarian than much of the US? 

 

I believe the majority of the people here are complying with the rules, because they are mandatory.  Complaining because of Cabin Fever but complying. However, there are exceptions to that, like I see in the news from the USA. And, very difficult for those who cannot work and have no income because of the Covid-19 restrictions.

I just googled for Colombia and Covid-19 deaths and it shows 278. This is a country of about 50 million people and I suspect that number is low due to not enough testing?

My impression is that in the USA, because the individual states set up their own restrictions (Stay in Place, businesses closed, etc.) and a few states didn't do that, the  restrictions there seem in most places to me to have not had the power of the state (worst case here would be years in prison and/or a fine but I don't think that will happen). People going from one state to another and some domestic airline flights operating there. Many people there seem to be complying and many other people seem to think the restrictions are suggested and not mandatory and not going to be enforced by the police there.

And people going to visit other people, state parks, beaches, etc.

So, here things are still pretty much shut down, although this week they began to open up some things. For example, Manufacturing and Construction workers allowed to go back to work, with restrictions for Separation, etc.

There are no airline flights here at this time. International or Domestic and my understanding is that intercity bus service is very sparse, if it exists at all.    I think the ban on International flights is set to expire on June 1st and have my fingers crossed they will not extend that again, however, I understand the risks of airline flights and that is how the first Covid-19 arrived in Colombia. A passenger on a flight from Spain and now we are officially at 278 deaths.

DD was scheduled to come here during the first half of May and that will not happen and I understand the risks of getting Covid-19 or some other virus in an airplane. It seems that there are a lot more cases of Covid-19 in the USA and my belief is that a lot of that comes from many people having a lack of fresh air, living in homes or apartments (or dorms) where there is central heating or central a/c. So, going to the beach or a state park seems good, with regard to getting some fresh air.

Those under 70 years of age, their Quarantine (Shelter in Place)  will end, I think, on 11 or 12 May. For those of us over 70, on June 1st. So, the Cabin Fever grows on everyone, wherever they might be.

The rules here, for example, one person from the household can go to the supermarket one day a week, depending on the last digit of their National Identity Card (Cedula) and whether that's in the morning or afternoon, seem more strict.

We have not had any shortages of food or toilet paper that I am aware of and we are very thankful for that.  In fact, we are eating much better, with regard to Lunches these days. My wife and/or my stepson are cooking things for Lunch, during the week that normally we might have on a Sunday.  I suspect that our spending in the supermarket when my stepson goes there once a week is much higher than normal at this time.  But, there is some saving in gasoline because the car only goes to the supermarket once a week and is otherwise parked in the garage. 🙂

Restaurants can prepare food for Take Out or Delivery to the customers home, but there is no in-restaurant dining at this time. Last Saturday was Take Out for Lunch, after they picked up the motorcycle from the shop.

No sporting events. Beaches are closed. No concerts. No crowds.

I hope I answered your question. 

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11 hours ago, kdsuomi said:

I think more businesses are going to go that route knowing that Stage 2 seemingly only allows for curbside pickup. Our small businesses don't have any way for people to know what they have in stock, order, and do curbside pickup. 

Many local small businesses which were seasonal and could have shut down (e.g. private nurseries and garden centers) if they stayed closed in both April and May found legal loopholes to reopen in late April. Apparently, the DA's office will shut down non-essential businesses in my county, but if they change their business description to "mixed essential" business, then, the sheriff who enforces the order will not shut it down. What it came down to was businesses allocating 40% of their floor space to "hardware store" type merchandise: e.g. some cleaning supplies, some tools etc in a few bins. Then, the rest of the store was kept to its old layout and merchandise. This allowed them to reopen after a few weeks of status quo and many say that they still have a chance of survival if they are open all through May and June. Massive Community support, many change.org petitions, lawyers helping pro bono and motivated city officials poring through rulebooks helped save a few businesses in my area.

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Orange County (CA) used to be a Republican stronghold, but is now purple and moving rapidly towards becoming another solidly blue CA county.

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/08/09/why-orange-county-is-the-new-blue/

According to the tracking data I've seen (using cell phone movements), there were 40k people in Newport Beach last Saturday, so I don't think it is political retribution. There were plenty of calls for him to close the OC beaches by concerned locals who are, again, becoming more progressive in their political views (which we've already discussed corresponds to being more conservative re Covid/opening back up). And, don't forget, OC has a very large Asian demographic (particularly near Newport/Irvine), so it would not surprise me if that demographic is also more concerned about Covid, even if they otherwise hold conservative policy views. (Parenthetically, I used to be heavily involved in Republican politics in OC, so I am pretty familiar with that constituency.)

Re Florida vs CA beaches, as others have mentioned, the temp differences between the beaches and inland can sometimes be quite dramatic. I try to explain this to people when they move here, and they think that, since they are living just a few miles inland, they won't have to use their AC. Unless you are living right on the water, you will have to use your AC in So Cal. We live within 100 feet of the water, and it rarely breaks 90, but that is simply not the case just a few miles away from us. It is night and day difference. This was just a few days ago, which is why you see people flooding the beaches when it gets hot. Unlike Florida, our water stays very cold until about late August or early September, which is when our actual summer begins here. Until then, we get a dense marine layer for a lot of the summer. The hottest time of the year in So Cal is actually what we used to call Indian Summer (aka the fall most everywhere else), which is when our Santa Ana winds kick up (hot/very dry winds blowing from offshore, instead of cool winds blowing onshore from the water) and start our fires.

     

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Someone asked a question about protests in other countries. UK

UK government faces legal challenge to lockdown from businessman

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/may/01/uk-government-faces-legal-challenge-coronavirus-lockdown-businessman-simon-dolan?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

And another

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-52489449

 

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Vermont is easing up more on restrictions in the coming weeks: "Scott opened the door for those businesses to increase the number of people allowed to work together from five to 10, effective on May 4. And on May 11, “manufacturing, construction, and distribution operations may restart with as few employees as necessary to permit full operations while continuing to maintain health and safety,” the governor said in an addendum to his original executive order, issued in March."

If cases stay low, it sounds like next week there will be further loosening, this time also allowing more social contact and opening of golf courses. 

https://vtdigger.org/2020/05/01/gov-scott-to-allow-small-construction-manufacturing-firms-to-reopen-covid-19-cases-past-peak/

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15 minutes ago, AmandaVT said:

Vermont is easing up more on restrictions in the coming weeks: "Scott opened the door for those businesses to increase the number of people allowed to work together from five to 10, effective on May 4. And on May 11, “manufacturing, construction, and distribution operations may restart with as few employees as necessary to permit full operations while continuing to maintain health and safety,” the governor said in an addendum to his original executive order, issued in March."

If cases stay low, it sounds like next week there will be further loosening, this time also allowing more social contact and opening of golf courses. 

https://vtdigger.org/2020/05/01/gov-scott-to-allow-small-construction-manufacturing-firms-to-reopen-covid-19-cases-past-peak/

Meanwhile, very selfishly, I am wondering when VT restrictions will be loosened enough to start the Concept 2 rowing machine factory back up.  There's a waitlist!  

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50 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

@Arcadia You are a rock star for finding so much sanitizer on the shelves of a store during a pandemic 👍 I guess that the big chain stores are finally finding local solutions to help them replenish empty shelves. I am sending this picture to all my local friends who have been looking for it for many weeks 🙂

 

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2 hours ago, mathnerd said:

@Arcadia . I am sending this picture to all my local friends who have been looking for it for many weeks 🙂

 

More expensive than buying at Safeway but good if your friends and your child's piano teacher need more than a bottle of 16oz.

https://raffdistillerie.com/

"Hand Sanitizer and Spirits for sale on site Sat & Sun 12-5

We will be selling World Health Organization approved Hand Sanitizer (as well as our spirits, and 750ml pre-mixed Gimlet, Daiquiri, and Monkey Gland) 

at the distillery Sat & Sun 12-5

Sizes:

8 oz ($7.50)

16oz ($14)

Gallon ($110)"

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3 hours ago, Matryoshka said:

Meanwhile, very selfishly, I am wondering when VT restrictions will be loosened enough to start the Concept 2 rowing machine factory back up.  There's a waitlist!  

 

I bet they'll be part of the May 11th opening as long as cases don't start increasing. My son's tennis coach will be allowed to re-open the tennis academy (with a ton of precautions) in two weeks too if all goes well. 

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13 minutes ago, AmandaVT said:

I bet they'll be part of the May 11th opening as long as cases don't start increasing. My son's tennis coach will be allowed to re-open the tennis academy (with a ton of precautions) in two weeks too if all goes well. 

I'm glad you guys are doing so much better with this so far, numbers-wise, than we are in MA. We seem to have flattened things, but so far the numbers aren't going down yet. 😞

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1 hour ago, Arcadia said:

More expensive than buying at Safeway but good if your friends and your child's piano teacher need more than a bottle of 16oz.

https://raffdistillerie.com/

"Hand Sanitizer and Spirits for sale on site Sat & Sun 12-5

We will be selling World Health Organization approved Hand Sanitizer (as well as our spirits, and 750ml pre-mixed Gimlet, Daiquiri, and Monkey Gland) 

at the distillery Sat & Sun 12-5

Sizes:

8 oz ($7.50)

16oz ($14)

Gallon ($110)"

Thank you!

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@mathnerd

Looks like my kids may have their recreational tennis classes again in summer. The location they go to have 1:4 and 1:8 for recreational. I don’t mind paying a little more for 1:4 if that is the only way for lessons to resume. 

“Facilities Closure Notice UPDATE 4/29/20

We are excited to hear that communities will be able to enjoy playing tennis again in the very near future.

We expect to meet with with city officials very soon to discuss the necessary steps, adjustments and timeline involved in safely re-opening and delivering services and programs to the community. It is our aim to provide the safest environment possible and are working hard to implement measures recommended by our health officials and sport’s governing body.

We will update our communities with operating plans and a re-opening date as soon as we have them available. At this time, we are not taking court reservations for any of our facilities. We will begin doing so once our re-opening dates have been established.”

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https://abc7news.com/business/big-changes-in-bay-area-spending-habits-during-shelter-in-place-research-shows/6144221/

“Coronavirus: Research shows big changes in Bay Area spending habits during COVID-19 shelter-in-place

... The minute we learned shelter-in-place orders were coming, our shopping habits changed dramatically. We saw grocery stores stripped bare of goods that aren't even part of earthquake preparedness kits.

"I don't think we realized that people would be buying up all the flour, all the pasta, all the toilet paper," noted Rachel Massaro at the Silicon Valley Institute for Regional Studies. "Those are things we hadn't thought of to put in our earthquake supplies."

In our region, grocery spending spiked 81% in mid-March compared to a year earlier. Retail briefly went up 33%. Hobbies and toys sales shot up 29%. Specialty food and beverage purchases spiked 63%.

As lines grew intolerable to get into stores, spending shifted to online shopping.

Amazon Fresh saw a spike of 400%. Food was clearly a priority. Traditional retailers and restaurants left with only take-out orders fell victim to that. Over the first four weeks of shelter-in-place, their sales fell about 32%. As unemployment rose, clothing store sales dropped about 50%.

... A Costco executive indicates outdoor furniture sales are on the rise with warmer weather and with families cooped up seeking fresh air and sunshine. Discount pricing may be partly responsible.

The shift in spending to online and how the sheltering orders influenced what we stocked up on are now fodder for business owners to digest as they look ahead. Hard decisions will have to be made about re-opening stores and how many furloughed employees to bring back.”

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“Heath officials announced Friday they were launching a program that will require and provide COVID-19 testing for all residents and staff at the 21 skilled nursing facilities located within San Francisco.” https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/05/01/coronavirus-update-san-francisco-health-officials-order-covid-19-testing-for-all-skilled-care-facility-staffers-and-residents/

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3 hours ago, Arcadia said:

@mathnerd

Looks like my kids may have their recreational tennis classes again in summer. The location they go to have 1:4 and 1:8 for recreational. I don’t mind paying a little more for 1:4 if that is the only way for lessons to resume. 

“Facilities Closure Notice UPDATE 4/29/20

We are excited to hear that communities will be able to enjoy playing tennis again in the very near future.

We expect to meet with with city officials very soon to discuss the necessary steps, adjustments and timeline involved in safely re-opening and delivering services and programs to the community. It is our aim to provide the safest environment possible and are working hard to implement measures recommended by our health officials and sport’s governing body.

We will update our communities with operating plans and a re-opening date as soon as we have them available. At this time, we are not taking court reservations for any of our facilities. We will begin doing so once our re-opening dates have been established.”

I am starting to get feelers from sports camps that my son has attended in the past asking if there is interest in "Social Distancing Summer Camps". Here are the specifications they say that the Office of Public Health has given to them for summer camps:

Social Distancing Camps:
 
  • Maintaining small groups (currently no more than 12 children) 
  • No intermixing with any other groups by kids or coaches
  • High frequency hand washing and hand sanitizer availability
  • No sharing of equipment
  • Sanitizing equipment after each use
  • Coaches wearing masks (children at your discretion)
  • Increased outdoor programs
  • Temperature/symptom checks prior to entry
  • Heavy emphasis on maintaining social distance while at camp
  • Modified curriculum to provide fun, active and safe games
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58 minutes ago, mathnerd said:

 

Social Distancing Camps:
 
  • Maintaining small groups (currently no more than 12 children) 
  • No intermixing with any other groups by kids or coaches
  • High frequency hand washing and hand sanitizer availability
  • No sharing of equipment
  • Sanitizing equipment after each use
  • Coaches wearing masks (children at your discretion)
  • Increased outdoor programs
  • Temperature/symptom checks prior to entry
  • Heavy emphasis on maintaining social distance while at camp
  • Modified curriculum to provide fun, active and safe games

The no sharing of equipment would be hard for tennis, basketball and any racquet/ball sports. Swimming, fencing, bowling, golf would be feasible.

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