Has position changed from wearing gloves to not?

[sheryl]

Shortly after "co19" made it's appearance here, we were told to wear masks and gloves. 

I've heard recently from more than one source "not" to wear gloves because it's more compromising all around.

???

[TechWife]

It depends on how and where you are wearing them. If you put them on in order to do something like go to the grocery store, then put them on just before you enter the grocery store. Don't touch your face while you are in the grocery store, or your purse or anything else you have to carry out with your hands while you are wearing the gloves. You can put your credit card inside your glove when you put them on, then after you use it, toss it into a grocery bag to clean when you get home. When you put your groceries in the car, note that the trunk latch or door knob is now contaminated. Remove the gloves after you put the groceries in the car and return the cart. Drive home. When you get out of your car at home, put another pair of gloves on, open the latch and remove the groceries. After you get the groceries out of the bags, then remove the gloves and discard them. Put on a clean pair and then clean the truck latch and door knobs that you touched with gloved hands. Discard gloves.

Some people are keeping gloves on and cleaning their groceries. If you want to clean your groceries, you should probably put a clean pair of gloves on to do it, although I'm not sure, honestly. Discard them as soon as you finish cleaning your last item, before you touch any cabinet handles.

The entire time you are wearing gloves, if you touch anything, whatever you touch is no longer clean.

Here is a great video on how to take gloves off:

 

[Pawz4me]

I could be wrong, but I don't believe there has ever been any official (CDC) recommendation to use gloves.

[Ali in OR]

For me, I'm not going to go to the expense of gloves as they become just as contaminated as hands. You just need to understand that either is contaminated and act appropriately (no touching face, wash hands, use hand sanitizer when out, etc).

I do need to use a glove when I change my disabled dd's poopy diapers. We did not receive any with our last diaper order because they aren't available. I suspected this would happen and have a bit of stock, but there's no way I'm going to use many gloves on a grocery trip when I need them at home!

[regentrude]

Gloves help if a) your skin cannot tolerate sanitizer or too much washing or b) if wearing gloves prevents you from touching your face.

Otherwise, wearing gloves does nothing to prevent the spread of the virus. Whatever you would touch with your hands, you're touching with the gloves. Since corona virus is not entering through cracks in the skin, wearing gloves as opposed to touching surfaces with your hands won't make any difference. You might as well wear none and just wash your hands.

I think gloves may even be harmful when they give wearers a false sense of safety if they do not really think through what all is contaminated.

Edited April 22, 2020 by regentrude

[Arcadia]

39 minutes ago, sheryl said:

I've heard recently from more than one source "not" to wear gloves because it's more compromising all around.

???

It’s more compromising if you aren’t discarding disposable gloves like crazy.
News link has a good explanation by a nurse https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/us/spreading-germs-nurse-trnd/index.html

Medical staff puts on a new pair of gloves when they do lab work on a patient and discards right after. 

My husband usually wipe down the gas pump with the provided paper towels before pumping gas. Some people rather use disposable gloves for gas pumps. 

[Matryoshka]

I've been using cheap cotton gloves.  That way I can keep changing them for each new thing if I'm out, as i don't have to worry about running out. Also no waste. I think I bought a pack of 20, and I often just have one on one hand. I don't think of it as being fully preventive, just that if there is virus, there will be less to wash off my hands - I still wash. And if I change as I go from one thing to another, I'm not just spreading as if I had on plastic (or bare hands) the whole time. I wash them and reuse. No plastic trash. And they do help remind me not to touch my face.

I save my plastic gloves (on just one hand) for the gas pump. Cause ain't enough sanitizer for that ... throw it out in the bin before I get back in the car 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Matryoshka

[Pen]

I am using gloves and sanitizing the gloves. It helps my hands not to have as frequent washing and sanitizing.  I am using durable washable gloves—not throwing them out .  I have no reason to believe that hand sanitizer or soap and water washing would not work to effectively clean gloves. I do not think I need a medical surgical level of sterile procedure for gloves. 

[happi duck]

For pumping gas we use our stash of plastic bags (grocery bags, bread bags etc).  We just stick our hand in the bag, pump gas and then throw it out right there.

[sheryl]

3 hours ago, TechWife said:

It depends on how and where you are wearing them. If you put them on in order to do something like go to the grocery store, then put them on just before you enter the grocery store. Don't touch your face while you are in the grocery store, or your purse or anything else you have to carry out with your hands while you are wearing the gloves. You can put your credit card inside your glove when you put them on, then after you use it, toss it into a grocery bag to clean when you get home. When you put your groceries in the car, note that the trunk latch or door knob is now contaminated. Remove the gloves after you put the groceries in the car and return the cart. Drive home. When you get out of your car at home, put another pair of gloves on, open the latch and remove the groceries. After you get the groceries out of the bags, then remove the gloves and discard them. Put on a clean pair and then clean the truck latch and door knobs that you touched with gloved hands. Discard gloves.

Some people are keeping gloves on and cleaning their groceries. If you want to clean your groceries, you should probably put a clean pair of gloves on to do it, although I'm not sure, honestly. Discard them as soon as you finish cleaning your last item, before you touch any cabinet handles.

The entire time you are wearing gloves, if you touch anything, whatever you touch is no longer clean.

Here is a great video on how to take gloves off:

 

Thanks for that!

3 hours ago, Arctic Mama said:

Gloves are good if you need a sanitizing surface other than skin, in this case, but otherwise they’re not super useful over your bare hands.

Right, that's what I'm coming to find out.

3 hours ago, Pawz4me said:

I could be wrong, but I don't believe there has ever been any official (CDC) recommendation to use gloves.

I don't know.  I thought "early on" someone,  group, officials (?) were recommending gloves but I could be wrong.  There were a fair amount of people wearing gloves, including myself.  Don't know if it was CDC or someone else.   ????  Maybe media. 

3 hours ago, Ali in OR said:

For me, I'm not going to go to the expense of gloves as they become just as contaminated as hands. You just need to understand that either is contaminated and act appropriately (no touching face, wash hands, use hand sanitizer when out, etc).

I do need to use a glove when I change my disabled dd's poopy diapers. We did not receive any with our last diaper order because they aren't available. I suspected this would happen and have a bit of stock, but there's no way I'm going to use many gloves on a grocery trip when I need them at home!

Yes, this!  

[sheryl]

3 hours ago, regentrude said:

Gloves help if a) your skin cannot tolerate sanitizer or too much washing or b) if wearing gloves prevents you from touching your face.

Otherwise, wearing gloves does nothing to prevent the spread of the virus. Whatever you would touch with your hands, you're touching with the gloves. Since corona virus is not entering through cracks in the skin, wearing gloves as opposed to touching surfaces with your hands won't make any difference. You might as well wear none and just wash your hands.

I think gloves may even be harmful when they give wearers a false sense of safety if they do not really think through what all is contaminated.

As I mentioned upthread I was wearing gloves until I heard/learned in the last few days that it might not actually help.   Agree - that's why I would still wash my hands.

3 hours ago, Arcadia said:

It’s more compromising if you aren’t discarding disposable gloves like crazy.
News link has a good explanation by a nurse https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/us/spreading-germs-nurse-trnd/index.html

Medical staff puts on a new pair of gloves when they do lab work on a patient and discards right after. 

My husband usually wipe down the gas pump with the provided paper towels before pumping gas. Some people rather use disposable gloves for gas pumps. 

Yes!  

3 hours ago, Seasider too said:

I was wondering this myself and decided to make some observations at the grocery store last week. I saw health care workers (uniformed) who were shopping and their grocery-store PPE was all the same: N95 and/or surgical mask and no gloves. I decided the no gloves option was much easier. Still have to not touch face, etc, and I leave my phone in the car and shop with a disposable written list. I have hand sanitizer stashed everywhere including a jacket pocket, that jacket stays in my garage between trips to the store (once every 10 days or so). 

I do still keep gloves in my car to use at the gas station. That supply will last me a loooong time. 

Same here.  I mentioned upthread that when this first came out, more people were wearing gloves.  I see less people wearing them now. 

3 hours ago, Matryoshka said:

I've been using cheap cotton gloves.  That way I can keep changing them for each new thing if I'm out, as i don't have to worry about running out. Also no waste. I think I bought a pack of 20, and I often just have one on one hand. I don't think of it as being fully preventive, just that if there is virus, there will be less to wash off my hands - I still wash. And if I change as I go from one thing to another, I'm not just spreading as if I had on plastic (or bare hands) the whole time. I wash them and reuse. No plastic trash. And they do help remind me not to touch my face.

I save my plastic gloves (on just one hand) for the gas pump. Cause ain't enough sanitizer for that ... throw it out in the bin before I get back in the car 

I had cotton and plastic.

3 hours ago, Pen said:

I am using gloves and sanitizing the gloves. It helps my hands not to have as frequent washing and sanitizing.  I am using durable washable gloves—not throwing them out .  I have no reason to believe that hand sanitizer or soap and water washing would not work to effectively clean gloves. I do not think I need a medical surgical level of sterile procedure for gloves. 

I have washable, cotton gloves and plastic too but stopped wearing gloves for many of the same reasons mentioned above. Except for gasoline.

2 hours ago, happi duck said:

For pumping gas we use our stash of plastic bags (grocery bags, bread bags etc).  We just stick our hand in the bag, pump gas and then throw it out right there.

See, I also heard (I must be hearing wrong) that we shouldn't get plastic grocery store bags now.

[Matryoshka]

9 minutes ago, sheryl said:

As I mentioned upthread I was wearing gloves until I heard/learned in the last few days that it might not actually help.   Agree - that's why I would still wash my hands.

Yes!  

Same here.  I mentioned upthread that when this first came out, more people were wearing gloves.  I see less people wearing them now. 

I had cotton and plastic.

I have washable, cotton gloves and plastic too but stopped wearing gloves for many of the same reasons mentioned above. Except for gasoline.

See, I also heard (I must be hearing wrong) that we shouldn't get plastic grocery store bags now.

We had a plastic bag ban in town that went into effect earlier this year, and for some reason the plastic bags are now back! I understand why reusable might not be a great choice right now, but they had been using paper...

[MEmama]

I just use thin winter gloves. Keeps me from touching my face and hair, and makes me much more aware of not touching extra items at the grocery. I just wash them with the rest of my clothes when I get home. I still wash my hands when I get home and after I put groceries away, same as always. No biggie. 🤷‍♀️

Can I ask what the specific concern about gas pumps is? Why would they be any different than anything else out in public? 
 

[Guest]

I am not wearing them for grocery shopping anymore, because it is easier to use hand sanitizer at every potential contamination point, rather than take gloves off or “waste” them. So I am not wearing gloves now, but I am absolutely not touching my face or mask with hands that could be contaminated. 

One instance that was happening was this: I’m gloved and masked, shopping at the grocery store. My phone is in my pocket. It rings; due to the tone, I know it is my kid or dh. I want to know if they just texted me “be sure to get ———“. But I don't want to use my now-contaminated gloves to retrieve my phone, and I also don’t want to throw them away now. 🤔 So, it is easier to have a hand sanitizer hanging on a loop from my jacket and using it whenever I need to touch something with potential contamination on my hands. 

[happi duck]

1 hour ago, sheryl said:

As I mentioned upthread I was wearing gloves until I heard/learned in the last few days that it might not actually help.   Agree - that's why I would still wash my hands.

Yes!  

Same here.  I mentioned upthread that when this first came out, more people were wearing gloves.  I see less people wearing them now. 

I had cotton and plastic.

I have washable, cotton gloves and plastic too but stopped wearing gloves for many of the same reasons mentioned above. Except for gasoline.

See, I also heard (I must be hearing wrong) that we shouldn't get plastic grocery store bags now.

We already have a stash of bags.  They multiply even though I try to always bring reusable (pre-pandemic).

I've been shopping Costco only so no bags.  What are people doing at other stores if there's no bags?  Only reusable?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, happi duck said:

We already have a stash of bags.  They multiply even though I try to always bring reusable (pre-pandemic).

I've been shopping Costco only so no bags.  What are people doing at other stores if there's no bags?  Only reusable?

In the stores I have been going to, they are not permitting reusable bags atm. (Plastic bags are not banned in my county, though.) That has been a weird thing for me, because I have used my own bags for such a long, long time and I prefer them so much. I love the way the groceries don’t flop over and roll around in them. But, alas, some stores are refusing, while other say you can use reusables but the customer will have to pack out the bag so the cashier is not exposed. 

[Arcadia]

57 minutes ago, MEmama said:

 

Can I ask what the specific concern about gas pumps is? Why would they be any different than anything else out in public? 
 

Its just easier to wipe a gas pump or shopping cart handle before using than to wipe items that you want to buy while in the store.

3 minutes ago, happi duck said:

 

I've been shopping Costco only so no bags.  What are people doing at other stores if there's no bags?  Only reusable?

Some stores continue charging for bags so they put your purchases back in the shopping cart. Other stores waive the bag fees while my county has the ban on bringing our own reusable bags. Trader Joe's bagged my purchased items in their paper bags while other stores I go to have been bagging my purchased items in plastic bags. 

[marbel]

17 minutes ago, Quill said:

I am not wearing them for grocery shopping anymore, because it is easier to use hand sanitizer at every potential contamination point, rather than take gloves off or “waste” them. So I am not wearing gloves now, but I am absolutely not touching my face or mask with hands that could be contaminated. 

One instance that was happening was this: I’m gloved and masked, shopping at the grocery store. My phone is in my pocket. It rings; due to the tone, I know it is my kid or dh. I want to know if they just texted me “be sure to get ———“. But I don't want to use my now-contaminated gloves to retrieve my phone, and I also don’t want to throw them away now. 🤔 So, it is easier to have a hand sanitizer hanging on a loop from my jacket and using it whenever I need to touch something with potential contamination on my hands. 

Ha, I've told my family that once I'm out of the car, my phone is staying in my pocket so don't call/text me unless it is a dire emergency... and "be sure to get..." is not a dire emergency.

This was after my husband texted in the middle of a grueling shopping session, right before lock-down when everyone was in the store, asking me to get beer.  In PA, some grocery stores can sell beer (and wine) but there is a separate checkout for it.  I just ignored it. Next trip, I told them not to bother asking me for anything.  

As for gloves or not, the one time I wore gloves in the store my daughter caught me being stupid (touching my face, adjusting my mask) which I had not been doing prior to wearing gloves. So I keep some with me but will wear them only if I have to - for example, if refused entry into a store without them.  I don't expect that to happen. 

[sheryl]

1 hour ago, MEmama said:

I just use thin winter gloves. Keeps me from touching my face and hair, and makes me much more aware of not touching extra items at the grocery. I just wash them with the rest of my clothes when I get home. I still wash my hands when I get home and after I put groceries away, same as always. No biggie. 🤷‍♀️

Can I ask what the specific concern about gas pumps is? Why would they be any different than anything else out in public? 
 

I don't know.  Several pp's mentioned gas pumps but I think it's b/c everyone and their brother has their hand on any given pump.  

[sheryl]

1 hour ago, Quill said:

In the stores I have been going to, they are not permitting reusable bags atm. (Plastic bags are not banned in my county, though.) That has been a weird thing for me, because I have used my own bags for such a long, long time and I prefer them so much. I love the way the groceries don’t flop over and roll around in them. But, alas, some stores are refusing, while other say you can use reusables but the customer will have to pack out the bag so the cashier is not exposed. 

I've not been taking in my phone for that reason.

[MEmama]

1 hour ago, sheryl said:

I don't know.  Several pp's mentioned gas pumps but I think it's b/c everyone and their brother has their hand on any given pump.  

I just don't understand how they are different than an item at Target, say, that everyone who walks by touches, or something in the checkout aisle that gets drooled on by babies or manhandled by young kids, or any number of unsavoury but every day scenarios. At least gas pumps get rained on now and again! Lol.

Idk. It’s just never once occurred to me that they are dirtier than anything else. I’ve never seen anyone put on gloves to use a gas pump for sure. Then again, I had never grocery shopped with gloves on before this, so we all have our things. 🙂 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, MEmama said:

I just don't understand how they are different than an item at Target, say, that everyone who walks by touches, or something in the checkout aisle that gets drooled on by babies or manhandled by young kids, or any number of unsavoury but every day scenarios. At least gas pumps get rained on now and again! Lol.

Idk. It’s just never once occurred to me that they are dirtier than anything else. I’ve never seen anyone put on gloves to use a gas pump for sure. Then again, I had never grocery shopped with gloves on before this, so we all have our things. 🙂 

I was thinking that, too; I have never thought of gas pumps as any more germy than shopping carts, door handles, elevator buttons, payment stations...Of course, I am avoiding contact with all of these items now, or else sanitizing my hands afterward. 

 

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Seasider too said:

 

I have taken to reminding my people early on the morning when I will be going, and as I get in the car I send them all a text saying that they have 15 minutes left to submit a request. I drive to the store and check my texts before I get out. 

I have to say, it is much pleasanter to shop without having to carry my phone around to answer texts while I’m in the store. I am going to try to continue this method regardless of future CV status. 

This is a really good idea. 

[sheryl]

58 minutes ago, Seasider too said:

 

They are honestly just grimy in general, plus people don’t simply touch them, they have to grasp and apply pressure to make the fuel flow. 

 

You know, that's true.  Aside from this pandemic, they are grimy, dirty and germy.  I told my chiropractor that for years I've not used my hand (try not to more often than not) on public door handles.   Why?  Because everybody and their brother touches it with their hands and they've sneezed, coughed, picked their nose LOL or worse with that same hand.  I've been carrying something around with me and if I don't have anything, I pull my arm up in my sleeve and use that or the inside, bottom of the top as a last resort!

[sheryl]

1 hour ago, MEmama said:

I just don't understand how they are different than an item at Target, say, that everyone who walks by touches, or something in the checkout aisle that gets drooled on by babies or manhandled by young kids, or any number of unsavoury but every day scenarios. At least gas pumps get rained on now and again! Lol.

Idk. It’s just never once occurred to me that they are dirtier than anything else. I’ve never seen anyone put on gloves to use a gas pump for sure. Then again, I had never grocery shopped with gloves on before this, so we all have our things. 🙂 

Well, I understand what you're saying.   A germ is a germ. Runny-nosed kids in the store would provide germs on products. But, I would venture to say "more people" are handling a gas pump than picking up the same toy.  It's all bad though.

[Liz CA]

10 hours ago, sheryl said:

Shortly after "co19" made it's appearance here, we were told to wear masks and gloves. 

I've heard recently from more than one source "not" to wear gloves because it's more compromising all around.

???

 

I would agree. Saw someone today with gloves touching their face, then the garbage can, walking around with gloves that have been everywhere. So if it's supposed to help with transmission of CV19 I don't think it matters much among the general pop. Medical personnel knows how to use them and discard them - so for them it's still essential for a variety of reasons.

[Tap]

I don't use them, but people like gloves for a few legitimate reasons:

because they can take them off before getting into the car and reduce the chance of getting covid in their car.  Yes, they touched everything with the gloves, but they can at least leave some germs on the gloves (if take off correctly, they will be in a ball inside out).

because they can't/won't use hand sanitizer on their skin. so they use the sanitizer on the gloves instead.

because they can't wash their  hands in a timely manner, so they use gloves instead of washing (allergy to public restroom soap is a common one)

because they aren't used to wearing them, so it makes them more aware of where they are touching.

because they have an open wound on their hand and feel it makes them higher risk for infection.

 

When one person sees another wearing gloves, they think they need them too. Even it if isn't for the right reasons. Or worn appropriately. 

 

[Arcadia]

4 hours ago, MEmama said:

 

Idk. It’s just never once occurred to me that they are dirtier than anything else. I’ve never seen anyone put on gloves to use a gas pump for sure. 

You have never encountered leaking gas pump nozzles 🙂 Usually the strong fuel smell would warn you that there is a leak somewhere. 

[sheryl]

8 hours ago, Tap said:

I don't use them, but people like gloves for a few legitimate reasons:

because they can take them off before getting into the car and reduce the chance of getting covid in their car.  Yes, they touched everything with the gloves, but they can at least leave some germs on the gloves (if take off correctly, they will be in a ball inside out).

because they can't/won't use hand sanitizer on their skin. so they use the sanitizer on the gloves instead.

because they can't wash their  hands in a timely manner, so they use gloves instead of washing (allergy to public restroom soap is a common one)

because they aren't used to wearing them, so it makes them more aware of where they are touching.

because they have an open wound on their hand and feel it makes them higher risk for infection.

 

When one person sees another wearing gloves, they think they need them too. Even it if isn't for the right reasons. Or worn appropriately. 

 

That's good.   Thanks, Tap!

[Ausmumof3]

12 hours ago, Seasider too said:

 

I have taken to reminding my people early on the morning when I will be going, and as I get in the car I send them all a text saying that they have 15 minutes left to submit a request. I drive to the store and check my texts before I get out. 

I have to say, it is much pleasanter to shop without having to carry my phone around to answer texts while I’m in the store. I am going to try to continue this method regardless of future CV status. 

I was unbelievably happy when our health Minister suggested we shouldn’t be taking children to the grocery store.  Finally get to do the shopping kid free.

[OH_Homeschooler]

Our local health department sent out a recommendation not to wear them. Basically the point was it is too inconvenient to wear them in an effective way, so don't bother. 

[MEmama]

My town just declared that everyone who works in public spaces must wear a face mask. They stopped short of declaring masks be worn by the entire public, but I’m sure it’s coming. Most people here are wearing them anyway. I’m so thankful my town counsellors are so proactive and taking care of our workers. 👍

[OH_Homeschooler]

26 minutes ago, MEmama said:

My town just declared that everyone who works in public spaces must wear a face mask. They stopped short of declaring masks be worn by the entire public, but I’m sure it’s coming. Most people here are wearing them anyway. I’m so thankful my town counsellors are so proactive and taking care of our workers. 👍

 

Since you gave my post a confused face and then you posted about masks, I wanted to clarify that my post was about wearing gloves, not masks. The idea is that people would need to be changing gloves so often to prevent cross-contamination that most people probably wouldn't do it enough. So it's better not to wear gloves and to use hand sanitizer whenever possible while shopping.

[MEmama]

9 minutes ago, OH_Homeschooler said:

 

Since you gave my post a confused face and then you posted about masks, I wanted to clarify that my post was about wearing gloves, not masks. The idea is that people would need to be changing gloves so often to prevent cross-contamination that most people probably wouldn't do it enough. So it's better not to wear gloves and to use hand sanitizer whenever possible while shopping.

Sorry if I caused confusion, my post wasn’t in response to yours. 
I guess I can see how gloves don’t work for everyone. In my world right now the most I do is go straight to the grocery and straight home again, and for reasons stated above they do make a difference for me. I’d rather wash gloves than use hand sanitizer all the time, personally. But I’m also already in the habit of washing hands frequently and taking general precautions (like using my sleeve to open doors etc, as another poster mentioned up thread). Those are just ingrained. But yeah, if someone thinks gloves are somehow sterile or something, they are setting themselves up for glove failure for sure.

[Tanaqui]

You're supposed to wash your hands before you put on gloves and after you take them off. If you touch something probably contaminated, you're supposed to wash or at least sanitize your gloved hands as soon as possible. So long as you remember that gloves are what protect your hands from soap, rather than a magical force field that protects you from getting sick, you should be fine.

[KungFuPanda]

I haven’t been wearing them except for a Costco haul a month ago, but I probably should. I’m set up now to only go out twice a month. I’m SUCH a chronic face-toucher and the masks stops me, but I don’t drive with the mask on. I’d probably be better off wearing gloves until everything is unloaded. Then I can wash my hands and go back to mindlessly chewing my cuticles. 

[sheryl]

2 hours ago, Tanaqui said:

You're supposed to wash your hands before you put on gloves and after you take them off. If you touch something probably contaminated, you're supposed to wash or at least sanitize your gloved hands as soon as possible. So long as you remember that gloves are what protect your hands from soap, rather than a magical force field that protects you from getting sick, you should be fine.

Yes, and that's well said.  That is correct.   And, same for the mask.  Wash hands before and obviously after.

[sheryl]

51 minutes ago, KungFuPanda said:

I haven’t been wearing them except for a Costco haul a month ago, but I probably should. I’m set up now to only go out twice a month. I’m SUCH a chronic face-toucher and the masks stops me, but I don’t drive with the mask on. I’d probably be better off wearing gloves until everything is unloaded. Then I can wash my hands and go back to mindlessly chewing my cuticles. 

I don't drive wearing a mask either.    Another source or news story from some where said to clean/wash your car in and out.  Well, pollen is dominant right now and covering our exterior.  I have been mindful of wiping down the steering wheel but it should really extend to handles, gears, buttons, etc.    

[KungFuPanda]

On 4/23/2020 at 5:19 PM, sheryl said:

I don't drive wearing a mask either.    Another source or news story from some where said to clean/wash your car in and out.  Well, pollen is dominant right now and covering our exterior.  I have been mindful of wiping down the steering wheel but it should really extend to handles, gears, buttons, etc.    

I figure I get around this by only leaving the house twice a month. I don’t ‘think’ the virus can live on any surfaces on or in a hot car for 15 days.