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I had to log off of FB after I read someone's post about how Bill Gates is only developing vaccines so he can implant micro-chips into us all. I didn't even bother clicking to see why he would want to micro-chip us, just closed the tab quickly. 

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A local pastor's wife (not our church) decided to start a Good Friday post with a remark about governor's one upping each other to strip away our freedoms. Way to politicize both a health crisis and a religious holiday.

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I saw a comment on a local news article that said something like: "They've taken God out of our schools and public monuments and now they're coming for Easter."

God help us. 

SMH. 

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And that's why I share lots of pictures of kittens and random Youtube videos and whatnot. I also scroll past the more egregious cr*p. I want to stay on FB, because friends and family, but I'm just not going to engage and get sucked in.

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46 minutes ago, MercyA said:

I saw a comment on a local news article that said something like: "They've taken God out of our schools and public monuments and now they're coming for Easter."

God help us. 

SMH. 

 

I thought Christians generally believed God is omnipresent. How can anybody remove an omnipresent being from anywhere?

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30 minutes ago, Tanaqui said:

I thought Christians generally believed God is omnipresent. How can anybody remove an omnipresent being from anywhere?

The problem is, Tanaqui, you're trying to apply logic to these kinds of comments. 😉

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I was just talking to my dh about maybe *finally* setting up a facebook account, to help me keep in touch while everyone is quarantined.

You all are making me reconsider...

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26 minutes ago, Junie said:

I was just talking to my dh about maybe *finally* setting up a facebook account, to help me keep in touch while everyone is quarantined.

You all are making me reconsider...

 

Strongly do not recommend setting up facebook. The only reason I kept one going for as long as I did was to connect with local homeschool groups.  Since my local group is now ground-zero for wacky conspiracy theories about 5G and Bill Gates wanting to enslave us all, I don't have a compelling reason to keep it up anymore. 

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Fortunately, I haven't seen crazy posts.  Except for one idiot who thought we in the USA were gettimg too medications for our disease.  Uhh no.  Not a single person was getting lots of meds for that disease.  Whether in US or anywhere else.  He just didn't seem to get it that we in US and Australia are getting a biologic for the disease to stop progression of our type of arthritis. 

But most of my friends are posting things like encouraging messages, funny videos, photos of what they are doing during this shutdown like helping others, etc, etc, etc.  

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Truth.

I said in another thread I left a very beloved group.  I joined them on a forum like this in October 2001 and left a few weeks ago.  I'd like to think I'll rejoin when this is over, but I honestly don't know.  And I have to admit it makes me both angry and really sad. 😞 

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1 hour ago, Junie said:

I was just talking to my dh about maybe *finally* setting up a facebook account, to help me keep in touch while everyone is quarantined.

You all are making me reconsider...

Well the trick is who you friend.  Or if you have people you feel you MUST friend.....sometimes you need to 'unfollow' them.  

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1 minute ago, Scarlett said:

Well the trick is who you friend.  Or if you have people you feel you MUST friend.....sometimes you need to 'unfollow' them.  

Our church has a private facebook page (separate from the public page) for people to share prayer requests, updates, etc.  I don't know if the page is opinionated or not.  Or if it is monitored/by whom.  This page is the main reason I'm considering.

I already know that I would not be able to friend my sister, and probably not my brother.  My ds19 has friended both of them on his facebook (he kind of needed it for college, as that's how some of the groups he's in communicate).  He told me one time: You would be surprised by some of the things your brother and sister post.  He told me a few things that he remembered and I told him that I was not surprised at all.  There's a reason that he doesn't know his aunt and uncle very well...

I think I just solved my dilemma:  I can just ask ds19 to join the church page and then let me know of anything that I would really want to know (prayer requests, news from good friends, etc.)

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2 minutes ago, Junie said:

Our church has a private facebook page (separate from the public page) for people to share prayer requests, updates, etc.  I don't know if the page is opinionated or not.  Or if it is monitored/by whom.  This page is the main reason I'm considering.

I already know that I would not be able to friend my sister, and probably not my brother.  My ds19 has friended both of them on his facebook (he kind of needed it for college, as that's how some of the groups he's in communicate).  He told me one time: You would be surprised by some of the things your brother and sister post.  He told me a few things that he remembered and I told him that I was not surprised at all.  There's a reason that he doesn't know his aunt and uncle very well...

I think I just solved my dilemma:  I can just ask ds19 to join the church page and then let me know of anything that I would really want to know (prayer requests, news from good friends, etc.)

Again, just don't follow them.  That is what I did with my brother.  But then one day I went to his page and saw stuff that I couldn't un see and I unfriended him completely.  And I told him I had to unfriend him and why.

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I guess I've been lucky and haven't had those experiences...  I was just telling my dd today how encouraging it is to see the good rise to the surface in most people during these times.   Even the FB posts I read have been pretty encouraging, with people being more forgiving toward the "other side."

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19 minutes ago, J-rap said:

I guess I've been lucky and haven't had those experiences...  I was just telling my dd today how encouraging it is to see the good rise to the surface in most people during these times.   Even the FB posts I read have been pretty encouraging, with people being more forgiving toward the "other side."

My FB is amazing.  I have such a supportive community.  A few 'outliers' in people like my brother and a couple of distant relatives.  Keep your circle tight people.  

More and more I see the wisdom in 'birds of a feather flock together.'

 

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45 minutes ago, StellaM said:

First thing I thought about here when I woke up (Easter Sunday). If I want to, I can go into a quiet spot any time today, or any other day, and think about the resurrection of Christ.

See, people are BAD.

Yes. Thus, Jesus 😉.
 

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31 minutes ago, Scarlett said:

My FB is amazing.  I have such a supportive community.  A few 'outliers' in people like my brother and a couple of distant relatives.  Keep your circle tight people.  

More and more I see the wisdom in 'birds of a feather flock together.'

 

 

 

I think if you can find this that is great. I do have one group that is more of a post about needs or events (which now don't exist) type group that I did learn stuff from and allowed me to help others but most of my wise friends stay off facebook leaving me with crazy people. I'm thinking I need to copy pictures and say goodbye.

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2 hours ago, Scarlett said:

My FB is amazing.  I have such a supportive community.  A few 'outliers' in people like my brother and a couple of distant relatives.  Keep your circle tight people.  

More and more I see the wisdom in 'birds of a feather flock together.'

 

Yes, but at a carefully measured six-foot distance from one another.

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Layer #2...reasonable articles to discuss posted (merits of one country's approach over another's, for instance). I add my perspective. Suddenly, the person is espousing a million things NOT in the article she posted, and ALL of the dire things this person is concerned about WILL come to pass if we keep the country locked down...you know, microchips from Bill Gates. A former pastor's wife this time. 

I really don't like the false advertising. If you're into conspiracy theories, don't hide it by posting NOTHING about your conspiracy theory and posting an article that says NOTHING about your conspiracy theory but launch into it later while your other friends wink and nod from the sidelines.

That's a lot like lying. 

I can sometimes tell when someone means more, and then I can kind of steer the conversation to get them to reveal their position more honestly (usually without creating strife), but it really bothers me when it's basically a bait and switch. 

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I have one friend on FB that just popped out of her 30-day snooze (people don’t necessarily know if you snooze them; I love her but OMg, her posts...) and I saw her posts for a day and a half and then popped her right back on snooze. Same with a few others. Still friends on there, but givemeabreak with the nonsense. 

A few weeks ago, I was arguing with a “friend” from high school about our leader’s handling of this crisis, when another dear high school friend PM’d me and essentially said, “you’re too intelligent to be dragged down into that nonsense.” We chatted privately for a couple of minutes and then I dropped the argument and snoozed the couple of “friends” causing me strife. 

For the most part, my FB feed is awesome and I keep it tight and mute or unfollow the trouble-makers. I seriously wondered if I am going to lose one of my friends by the time this settles down. That’s why I must use my snooze. Like, “if you really think this is what’s going on, it’s going to be hard to be friends.” I take comfort in noticing that crazy posts have very few “likes” or like-minded comments. 

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I was a very late joiner of FB, only having set up an account this past fall. I only did it because of a specific group I wanted to join. I contemplated an account using a pseudonym, but felt too weird about that, so used my real name. And of course once family and friends knew I was on I had to friend some of them. I very intentionally have kept my friends very (very) limited, though. I feel no compunction to accept the friend request of someone I knew in high school and haven't seen or talked to in forty years. My former dentist asked me to friend her (she was moving to start her own practice in another city). Nope. I had no interest in that relationship beyond professional. So I've been very selective and have a grand total of 34 friends. Even so I've had to unfollow some of them. I do occasionally go to their pages when I feel up to dealing with the crazy. I can only take it sometimes, but overall I feel it's worth it to know what kind of stupid things people I have to interact with believe. And as I scroll my mantra is "It's not my job to fix stupid."

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11 hours ago, StellaM said:

 

Yeah, 'cos no-one can meditate on Jesus' death and resurrection at home. 

I'm only culturally Catholic and I've thought about it more than once over the past couple of days!

First thing I thought about here when I woke up (Easter Sunday). If I want to, I can go into a quiet spot any time today, or any other day, and think about the resurrection of Christ.

See, people are BAD. Or STUPID. I don't know what's worse.

My MIL rang me (I haven't spoken to her for 18 months, long story) to tell me how sad she is she had to watch Mass on the television.  Seriously, praise television and the wonders of our 21st century!!! What is wrong with her???!!!

Why are people like this? I'm glad I'm not in the Blitz or somesuch with any of them. 

This right here is what my dh and I do not understand at all.  And dh and I were discussing this a few days ago----it is as if you can tell who is a actual believer and who is there for the socialness and trappings.    

Overall, about the BAD or STUPID, sometimes it is a combination.  We have, in the US< had some heavy handiness,  that is nuts and often combos of  both the BAD and STUPID.  In a Mississippi town in the Delta last week, the mayor sent the police to give 500 dollar tickets to people having a drive in worship service.  Just yesterday, a federal court reversed a similar attempt for Easter drive in Service in Louisville, KY- as the judge said, there is no difference why you can park at your grocery store, go through McDonald's drive through but not go to drive in service.  Then the story of the police who removed a basketball hoop from a family's front yard because the 12 year old girl was  shooting basketballs into it but she was all alone and how is that helping Covid19 not spread.

On a better note- ESPN is obviously suffering financially with all sports on hold.  They had asked their highly paid anchors and commentators to chip in part of their salaries to protect the wages of the lower ranked and paid people.  All but one of them did.  The last guy wrote a letter about how oh poor him, etc.  He was making over 300K and he was let go from the organization.  

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11 minutes ago, TravelingChris said:

This right here is what my dh and I do not understand at all.  And dh and I were discussing this a few days ago----it is as if you can tell who is a actual believer and who is there for the socialness and trappings.    

Overall, about the BAD or STUPID, sometimes it is a combination.  We have, in the US< had some heavy handiness,  that is nuts and often combos of  both the BAD and STUPID.  In a Mississippi town in the Delta last week, the mayor sent the police to give 500 dollar tickets to people having a drive in worship service.  Just yesterday, a federal court reversed a similar attempt for Easter drive in Service in Louisville, KY- as the judge said, there is no difference why you can park at your grocery store, go through McDonald's drive through but not go to drive in service.  Then the story of the police who removed a basketball hoop from a family's front yard because the 12 year old girl was  shooting basketballs into it but she was all alone and how is that helping Covid19 not spread.

On a better note- ESPN is obviously suffering financially with all sports on hold.  They had asked their highly paid anchors and commentators to chip in part of their salaries to protect the wages of the lower ranked and paid people.  All but one of them did.  The last guy wrote a letter about how oh poor him, etc.  He was making over 300K and he was let go from the organization.  

All the bolded - when stuff like this happens (add in banning gardening in Michigan), it only makes the conspiracy theorists seem like they have a point. Sometimes, I’m sorry we do have such strong state’s rights bc some populations are unfortunately steered wrong by their stoopid governors. But then I’m glad that my governor does have strong state’s rights because he doesn’t have to agree with or defer to You Know Who. 

I do sometimes feel like, “wow, lucky for me; I live where there is a competent governor.” 

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8 hours ago, Pawz4me said:

I can only take it sometimes, but overall I feel it's worth it to know what kind of stupid things people I have to interact with believe. And as I scroll my mantra is "It's not my job to fix stupid."

Bingo. I just get blindsided sometimes by who I thought was normal. It's like they are sleeper agents or something, lol!

I take note of who likes their posts--I know not everyone agrees with them, but I know that some not only agree but understand even partially hidden references to weirder things that are going right by other people. 

Sometimes I also make comments that aren't particularly argumentative, but are things that force them to say something outright instead of implying it with a wink and nod so that mutual friends who don't know them very well yet have a heads-up of what they're dealing with. That might make me not very nice, but I despise the two-faced wink, wink, nod, nod version of whackadoodle. 

Straight whackadoodle is rarely blocked unless it's like a 24-hour conspiracy channel, lol! Then I tend to modify my settings. 

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I've had to unfollow a number of people recently.  I've even had to "unfriend" a few.  In real life, I would not attend a second social event with someone who said the uglier things I've seen.  They made me cry this week, and I suddenly realized that I'm in control of some of this exposure, and have to take responsibility for what I permit to affect my life and emotions.

 

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On 4/11/2020 at 1:44 PM, athena1277 said:

My friends range from “we’re all going to die!” to “it’s a government conspiracy to ______.”  I’m taking it all with a big grain of salt.  

We must have the same friends 😀

Kelly

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Yes, it's painful. When the at-home stuff started, I got fired up and replied to several people when I should have held back. One was ranting about college stuff I know about as a professor, and another was pushing the "call the formula company for a free case if you can't buy any" for the twelfth time. 

Now I update a group I manage, scan my feed, and stay off the rest of the day. When I scanned this morning, there was all kinds of conspiracy and fake science stuff amid "look how pretty my Easter table is." OK, I liked the pretty Easter tables. I'm not into it, but good for them. 

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It's hit a new low. People on my FB feed who claim to be Christian and pro-life are bragging about how they are going out in public and to the grocery store without a mask. Others with the same beliefs are replying wishing they could be brave enough to post about going out without a mask as well, but they are afraid of the criticism.

I can't snooze this because, honestly, if any of these people are teaching my kids Sunday School, or transmitting their values to my kids at co-op, I need to know. 

[I am a Christian and pro-life.]

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I've been blocking randos in groups and left a couple of groups that weren't even politics-driven in the least, because commenters were just out of hand. 

But then my oldest childhood friend posted a video of Michigan's protest, without commenting. I reviewed some of her recent posts and it was clear she thought the protesters were heroes. Fortunately other people (not considering that she was celebrating them) commented about how they disagreed with the protesters, but not quite so nicely. I was glad I didn't say anything myself. I think my friend has created a nice bubble for herself in FB and expected everyone to love her video.

 

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I have watched every press conference by the federal task force and my state governor. I read/watch six or seven news sources both domestically and internationally every day. I can say with absolute conviction and certainty that the vast majority of news outlets are distorting what is being said, and some have outright lied. A lot of information is withheld, too. They lie by omission. 

The online interviews of medical personnel in Asia, Europe, Canada, and the U.S. are the most informative and thoughtful. I also enjoy investigative reporters/reports.

I hope that those of you who “can’t stand” everything being said are challenging yourself to read and watch sources outside of your bubble. Otherwise, you’re just as much of a dumb sheep as those you distain. 

Yes, I know, some of what’s said is out there. Then again, who’s to say that they are the ones being naive and gullible?

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I can see where people have concerns though.  We never know what lens they see life.

When I read about the governors of NY and CA recommending people rat out their friends and neighbors and others who are violating social distancing- it again made me think of the autobiography The Red Scarf Girl by Ji-Li Jiang and growing up during the Cultural Revolution in China. That was a common ploy, done for the good of the country of course.  There’s actually been quite a bit that makes me think of that book, and how quickly people lost their freedoms, belongings, and more.  If anyone hasn’t read it, I highly recommend it!!  It was part of my kids literature class in 7th grade.

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33 minutes ago, Fifiruth said:

I have watched every press conference by the federal task force and my state governor. I read/watch six or seven news sources both domestically and internationally every day. I can say with absolute conviction and certainty that the vast majority of news outlets are distorting what is being said, and some have outright lied. A lot of information is withheld, too. They lie by omission. 

The online interviews of medical personnel in Asia, Europe, Canada, and the U.S. are the most informative and thoughtful. I also enjoy investigative reporters/reports.

I hope that those of you who “can’t stand” everything being said are challenging yourself to read and watch sources outside of your bubble. Otherwise, you’re just as much of a dumb sheep as those you distain. 

Yes, I know, some of what’s said is out there. Then again, who’s to say that they are the ones being naive and gullible?

I agree that this is good to do, but I think I speak for many when I say it takes a lot of time and stamina to do so. It’s actually one of the things I like about this site, because there are people with different opinions, who sometimes make a very good case for something I did not initially agree with. 

But again, the main issue seems to be the amount of time and mental attention it consumes. 

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3 hours ago, kbutton said:

It's hit a new low. People on my FB feed who claim to be Christian and pro-life are bragging about how they are going out in public and to the grocery store without a mask. Others with the same beliefs are replying wishing they could be brave enough to post about going out without a mask as well, but they are afraid of the criticism.

😥 That makes me so sad. I’ve read a number of stories today from grocery store workers who are scared going to work everyday, because they have to have contact with such a high number of people, and so many don’t care about protecting them. They didn’t sign up to be in a dangerous job, and now that’s where they find themselves, and they don’t want to be heroes, they just wan to be safe. For people to brag about putting others at risk on purpose makes me so sad.

I don’t understand why the mask thing is such a line in the sand for so many people. The arguments about it on my local Nextdoor are crazy. Why are people so unwilling to do a small thing like that?

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😥 That makes me so sad. I’ve read a number of stories today from grocery store workers who are scared going to work everyday, because they have to have contact with such a high number of people, and so many don’t care about protecting them. They didn’t sign up to be in a dangerous job, and now that’s where they find themselves, and they don’t want to be heroes, they just wan to be safe. For people to brag about putting others at risk on purpose makes me so sad.

I don’t understand why the mask thing is such a line in the sand for so many people. The arguments about it on my local Nextdoor are crazy. Why are people so unwilling to do a small thing like that?

I don’t get it either. I was wearing masks weeks ago. I was wearing masks in my own home when my kid was quarantined from returning from France. 

In my vain little way, it was actually one of the reasons I wanted to learn how to make good masks - because I wanted to have a couple of cute ones that fit well and don’t bother me much. 

I think so much of it is the “don’t tell me what to do!” rebellion. Just like seatbelt laws or helmet laws. It never made sense to me to get bent out of shape because the government no longer asks but rather tells you to protect your brains while you speed along on a crotch rocket. 

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I certainly will wear a mask in a store, although most of the employees don’t! 

Our governor said something weird about wearing a mask in public. He said that doing so was going to be the new culture in our state, even after this pandemic is over.  What’s up with that? It’s Colorado, not Beijing . 

 

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1 minute ago, Fifiruth said:

I certainly will wear a mask in a store, although most of the employees don’t! 

Our governor said something weird about wearing a mask in public. He said that doing so was going to be the new culture in our state, even after this pandemic is over.  What’s up with that? It’s Colorado, not Beijing . 

 

Perhaps because mask wearing is something many of the Asian countries have been doing right for a number of years? Ya know, one of the things that would be really good for the U.S. to admit that we could take a lesson from? Just think how many cases of influenza could potentially be prevented.

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6 minutes ago, Fifiruth said:

I certainly will wear a mask in a store, although most of the employees don’t! 

Our governor said something weird about wearing a mask in public. He said that doing so was going to be the new culture in our state, even after this pandemic is over.  What’s up with that? It’s Colorado, not Beijing .

 

So what? Does that mean that you should spread illness willy-nilly?

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I lived in an Asian country and they covered their mouth and nose (only the women) because the pollution was so horrible. No emission standards whatsoever. I never heard anyone mention doing so to protect against a virus.

I still don’t think that it’s for our governor to announce to us all that we are going to change who we are as a people and as a culture. Arrogant.  

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5 minutes ago, Pawz4me said:

Perhaps because mask wearing is something many of the Asian countries have been doing right for a number of years? Ya know, one of the things that would be really good for the U.S. to admit that we could take a lesson from? Just think how many cases of influenza could potentially be prevented.

Wearing masks, along with no more shaking hands, are two things I hope will normalize for the population as a whole. I’m sure there are lots of people who will never wear a mask except by EO (though some won’t even then), but I hope to see it become the same as, say, some people wear hats but others don’t. Some wear scarves, some don’t. Some wear jewelry, some don’t. 

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4 minutes ago, Fifiruth said:

I lived in an Asian country and they covered their mouth and nose (only the women) because the pollution was so horrible. No emission standards whatsoever. I never heard anyone mention doing so to protect against a virus.

I still don’t think that it’s for our governor to announce to us all that we are going to change who we are as a people and as a culture. Arrogant.  

Wearing a mask changes who you are as a person?  What kind of mask are you using??

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