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U.S. Airlines Halt Flights to China, Government Urges No Travel

The U.S. State Department raised the travel advisory for China to Level 4: Do Not Travel, now on par with travel advisories to North Korea, Iran, and Syria. This Level 4 increase came one day after the  World Health Organization issued a global emergency due to the spread of the  Coronavirus.

American Airlines has now suspended all flights into China until March 27. Delta has announced it will suspend flights to China through April. United followed suit and just announced they, too, will suspend flights to China through March. U.S. officials are considering temporarily halting all flights to China. If you have travel booked to China or other parts of Asia, know your options and stay updated.

https://thriftytraveler.com/china-do-not-travel-all-major-u-s-airlines-suspend-flights/

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14 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Apparently not unless you were in the 10 rows directly next to the person because it’s droplet born which means close contact is a 3m radius?  I don’t know that’s just what was said.

 

13 hours ago, Pen said:

 

I thought planes tend to suck droplets into their air recirculating system and blow germs back out again. 

 

Ugh!  When flying you walk past people in close promixity that don't necessarily sit within 10 rows.  You share lavatories and such.  If one was showing signs of illness and wants to get tested, shouldn't they be able?

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6 hours ago, Pen said:

 

IF whatever is in the packaging was not coughed or sneezed on or otherwise ended up carrying problem germs, that should work.   Outer packaging probably is handled by many more people so has higher risk.  But I think warehouse workers, shipping staff, in many places are under a lot of pressure as well, likely can’t stay home for what seems a mild cold...

 

Given how slow o/s shipping is here, I don't think that's gonna be a problem!

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18 minutes ago, Excelsior! Academy said:

 

 

Ugh!  When flying you walk past people in close promixity that don't necessarily sit within 10 rows.  You share lavatories and such.  If one was showing signs of illness and wants to get tested, shouldn't they be able?

 

I would have thought so. 

But I guess they r low on testing resources—?  

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11,301 case 258 deaths.

im seeing video claiming to show doors of buildings or rooms in buildings being sealed off, mostly with tape, in one case welded shut with a metal bar.  Not sure if they are legitimate.  In some ways the containment attempts seem scarier than the disease.
 

The us case also apparently showed virus in faeces as well as the nasal swabs etc but not in blood or urine.  I don’t know if that means anything different for transmission.  Australia looks like not getting people out before Monday.

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16 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

11,301 case 258 deaths.

im seeing video claiming to show doors of buildings or rooms in buildings being sealed off, mostly with tape, in one case welded shut with a metal bar.  

 

Why?  I wonder.

The case you (or someone?) shared about the boy with cerebral palsy made me wonder if family and neighbors are afraid of anyone associated with anyone who has been ill (or been in Wuhan?)?   It sounded like the family was visiting family—yet no one to help the boy?  Or maybe rest of family died or took ill or was quarantined? 

Or people are over-anxious?

Or like in the radio program someone, maybe lecka? You? Shared,  people there in Wuhan area are seeing a lot more weird deaths than we are being told about. Perhaps have reason to think it’s more contagious in ways where shutting off rooms makes sense?

or maybe it’s  seriously sick people or family of seriously sick people who can’t get into hospitals quarantining themselves for safety of outsiders?

idk

 

16 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Not sure if they are legitimate.  In some ways the containment attempts seem scarier than the disease.
 

The us case also apparently showed virus in faeces as well as the nasal swabs etc but not in blood or urine.  I don’t know if that means anything different for transmission.  Australia looks like not getting people out before Monday.

 

Guess in faeces it

-increases issues in care of patients     Especially for patients too sick to use a toilet

- raises issues with toilets, especially in public toilets especially if they flush without lids and cause aerosols    Or maybe if in some countries /places don’t flush at all — pits and so on

- raises issue of whether it may be mutating so that it is increasingly in other parts of body than typical for respiratory virus.  Did they check sweat

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4 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Why?  I wonder.

The case you (or someone?) shared about the boy with cerebral palsy made me wonder if family and neighbors are afraid of anyone associated with anyone who has been ill (or been in Wuhan?)?   It sounded like the family was visiting family—yet no one to help the boy?  Or maybe rest of family died or took ill or was quarantined? 

Or people are over-anxious?

Or like in the radio program someone, maybe lecka? You? Shared,  people there in Wuhan area are seeing a lot more weird deaths than we are being told about. Perhaps have reason to think it’s more contagious in ways where shutting off rooms makes sense?

or maybe it’s  seriously sick people or family of seriously sick people who can’t get into hospitals quarantining themselves for safety of outsiders?

idk

 

 

Guess in faeces it

-increases issues in care of patients     Especially for patients too sick to use a toilet

- raises issues with toilets, especially in public toilets especially if they flush without lids and cause aerosols    Or maybe if in some countries /places don’t flush at all — pits and so on

- raises issue of whether it may be mutating so that it is increasingly in other parts of body than typical for respiratory virus.  Did they check sweat

From the on the ground videos it seems like no one is going out much.  So maybe no one realised. And I guess maybe in a culture with smaller families there’s more disconnect so no ones checking up.  I don’t know?  I mean if schools etc are all locked down and you don’t have grandparents checking in who’s to know.  And sometimes having kids with special needs etc can be fairly isolating.  The other son had autism as well.  

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What are you guys seeing in your communities?

A few things here:

1. I was at Home Depot picking up stuff for a project and there are now limits on buying masks. Chinese families are buying them and shipping them home. Lowe’s, Ace Hardware and nearly everyone is out of N95 respirator masks. I am holding off on sanding and refinishing my doors. 😉

2. The local premium mall usually has busloads of Chinese tourists here to spend $$$$ shopping. The signs in Chinese wishing everyone good fortune in the new year were up but there were no buses there. 

3. I see people in masks and wearing gloves. Some of that is normal in winter with Asian populations but some of this is very not normal.

4. Work trips to Asia are being replaced with conference calls, but offices are shutting down.

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12 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said:

What are you guys seeing in your communities?

 

No rationing of mask at Home Depot and Lowe’s so far. 

SF Premium Outlet in Livermore still gets Chinese tour buses. 

Mask is normal here because of flu season but haven’t seen anyone in gloves yet.

My husband’s colleagues who came back from China are working from home in self quarantine.

My county has its first case. It’s a big county and they are not saying which city so people are guessing. 

Santa Clara County - The County of Santa Clara Public Health Department received confirmation today from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that an adult male resident of the county has tested positive for the novel (new) coronavirus. 
 
This case recently traveled to Wuhan, China and became ill upon returning home. He was seen at a local clinic and hospital, but was never was sick enough to require hospitalization. He is in stable condition and is self-isolating at home, and he did not leave home while he had symptoms except to seek medical care. Public Health Department staff are in regular contact and monitoring his symptoms and condition. Further information about the individual will not be released for reasons of medical privacy. ” https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/news/Pages/novel-coronavirus-1-31-2020.aspx
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My county officially has one case in self-isolation: schools are sending out emails asking parents who traveled to China to isolate themselves from kids and if kids traveled to China, to stay home for 14 days. The patient came back from Wuhan this week. So, there will be more cases as and when the returnees from Wuhan start showing symptoms.

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Qantas are suspending direct flights as of the 9th of Feb.

I don’t really understand that.  Either it’s a threat and they need to stop ASAP or it’s not a threat and there’s no point stopping flights in a week.  Maybe they are waiting till the evacuation is done to not upset the Chinese government but if so why publicise it now

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53 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

For some light humor, an Australian journalist made a geography or proofreading mistake

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/singapore-has-barred-arrivals-from-china-over-coronavirus-fears

“Singapore, which is home to one of the busiest airports in China, has moved to ban arrivals and transit passengers from mainland China.”

 

I hope he or she meant busiest in Asia!  I suspect it’s a proofreading error, but could be geography.  

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14 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

I hope he or she meant busiest in Asia!  I suspect it’s a proofreading error, but could be geography.  

I’m pretty sure it meant to say Asia because the last sentence says that, but someone clearly got the wrong word in the title.

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3 hours ago, Arcadia said:

 

No rationing of mask at Home Depot and Lowe’s so far. 

Thank You! I assumed that the local Home Depots would have run out the masks and never checked there. I will pick some up tomorrow (were you referring to N95 masks?).

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4 hours ago, prairiewindmomma said:

What are you guys seeing in your communities?

A few things here:

1. I was at Home Depot picking up stuff for a project and there are now limits on buying masks. Chinese families are buying them and shipping them home. Lowe’s, Ace Hardware and nearly everyone is out of N95 respirator masks. I am holding off on sanding and refinishing my doors. 😉

2. The local premium mall usually has busloads of Chinese tourists here to spend $$$$ shopping. The signs in Chinese wishing everyone good fortune in the new year were up but there were no buses there. 

3. I see people in masks and wearing gloves. Some of that is normal in winter with Asian populations but some of this is very not normal.

4. Work trips to Asia are being replaced with conference calls, but offices are shutting down.

I called our only local med supply store, and the N95 masks are $8.95 for a single mask.  I will just stay home if corona comes to town.  My husband can wear a respirator to go shopping.  Hopefully, it just won't happen in our isolated community.

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Australia has gone to “do not travel” advice for China.  Non Australian citizens (tourists) who are in or pass through China won’t be allowed to enter.  All travellers from mainland China are being asked to self isolate for 14 days.

 

 

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1 hour ago, mathnerd said:

I assumed that the local Home Depots would have run out the masks and never checked there. I will pick some up tomorrow (were you referring to N95 masks?).


Online is saying limited stock for N95 masks in the San Jose store nearest to me. Stanford healthcare was well stock of the usual earloop face mask for visitors when I went for my routine oncologist appointment.

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8 hours ago, prairiewindmomma said:

What are you guys seeing in your communities?

A few things here:

1. I was at Home Depot picking up stuff for a project and there are now limits on buying masks. Chinese families are buying them and shipping them home. Lowe’s, Ace Hardware and nearly everyone is out of N95 respirator masks. I am holding off on sanding and refinishing my doors. 😉

2. The local premium mall usually has busloads of Chinese tourists here to spend $$$$ shopping. The signs in Chinese wishing everyone good fortune in the new year were up but there were no buses there. 

3. I see people in masks and wearing gloves. Some of that is normal in winter with Asian populations but some of this is very not normal.

4. Work trips to Asia are being replaced with conference calls, but offices are shutting down.

I’m not seeing much of anything, mostly because I’m limiting my comings and goings.  Most people I know aren’t phased, and yet my Walmart is out of masks. (I have a very limited supply at home given the size of my family. Wasn’t able to get more in my pick up order earlier this week.)

I did wear gloves to pump my gas yesterday.  I’m already grossed out by gas pumps, so it doesn’t feel excessive to me at all except for the social factor.

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Some reports that Huanggang province is in lockdown with only one member per household allowed to leave every two days for food and basic supplies.

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9 hours ago, Arcadia said:

 

No rationing of mask at Home Depot and Lowe’s so far. 

SF Premium Outlet in Livermore still gets Chinese tour buses. 

Mask is normal here because of flu season but haven’t seen anyone in gloves yet.

My husband’s colleagues who came back from China are working from home in self quarantine.

My county has its first case. It’s a big county and they are not saying which city so people are guessing. 

Santa Clara County - The County of Santa Clara Public Health Department received confirmation today from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that an adult male resident of the county has tested positive for the novel (new) coronavirus. 
 
This case recently traveled to Wuhan, China and became ill upon returning home. He was seen at a local clinic and hospital, but was never was sick enough to require hospitalization. He is in stable condition and is self-isolating at home, and he did not leave home while he had symptoms except to seek medical care. Public Health Department staff are in regular contact and monitoring his symptoms and condition. Further information about the individual will not be released for reasons of medical privacy. ” https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/news/Pages/novel-coronavirus-1-31-2020.aspx

 

8 hours ago, Arcadia said:

Thanks for those updates. My oldest DS is in San Jose, and I heard about the case they have. I meant to text him yesterday to see how people were reacting, but I got busy and forgot. Which kinda shows how concerned I am about this. 😉 

ETA: By "there" I of course mean the county, not that particular city. We found out on a recent trip how very big California counties are!

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I have read that an interesting comparison is to take Chinese numbers for infection and death rates, then subtract Wuhan/ Hubei, the idea being that the virus is not and cannot be controlled there, because it spread too far too fast and got past the capabilities of the infrastructure both for treatment (they're not admitting all sick people to hospitals, or able to treat them adequately as you can see by videos of people sick in the hallways of hospitals, reporting that they couldn't get admitted to hospital, etc.) and for identification (evidently they now, as of today, have 8k tests available/day, but not enough people to read them, and were woefully short on tests before).  

So anyway, if you take out Wuhan, it is an interesting perspective on how the rest of China is handling the infection (rate of spread is holding steady/decreasing, even with greater availability of tests in other regions, and deaths are much lower, presumably as treatment is more readily available and more cases are being seen in the first place).  I found it a reassuring idea.

On the other hand, a preliminary report came out that says via statistical analysis, the R0 for this virus is 4.08, truly end of the world level.  I'm hoping that turns out to be innaccurate because numbers out of China are inaccurate, though.  

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3 hours ago, Pawz4me said:

 

Thanks for those updates. My oldest DS is in San Jose, and I heard about the case they have. I meant to text him yesterday to see how people were reacting, but I got busy and forgot. Which kinda shows how concerned I am about this. 😉 


San Jose itself is a big city with an international airport. There are many Lowe’s and Home Depot stores, and Costco too. However, if stocks run low for N95, he can try Ace Hardware https://www.acehardware.com/departments/tools/workwear-and-safety-gear/respirators Harbor Freight is another hardware store he could try https://www.harborfreight.com/safety/masks-respirators.html

I’ll be concern when my husband’s department is advised to work from home. We are still in flu season here so anyone sick usually works from home.

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11 minutes ago, Arcadia said:


San Jose itself is a big city with an international airport. There are many Lowe’s and Home Depot stores, and Costco too. However, if stocks run low for N95, he can try Ace Hardware https://www.acehardware.com/departments/tools/workwear-and-safety-gear/respirators Harbor Freight is another hardware store he could try https://www.harborfreight.com/safety/masks-respirators.html

I’ll be concern when my husband’s department is advised to work from home. We are still in flu season here so anyone sick usually works from home.

I don't think he'd be inclined to go out hunting for a mask. He's more of the "I'm young, healthy and fit and the media is blowing it out of proportion" mindset. Plus like your DH he does have the ability to work from home if necessary, or even just because he wants to.

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Are those masks still available on eBay? Finding them on eBay would be a lot easier than driving around to a bunch of local stores, hoping they have some in stock.

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13 hours ago, prairiewindmomma said:

What are you guys seeing in your communities?

Vegas medical store sells 250K face masks amid coronavirus outbreak

That area is near Chinatown but as I posted last week, everything is sold out. The medical supply stores have been wiped out. We have a huge Chinese population along with tourists sending masks back, but also wearing masks here. There's one person in isolation at home still awaiting test results. 

Business slow in Las Vegas Chinatown following Coronavirus outbreak

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I’ve not noticed anything unusual where I am other than some people talking about it, but less now than when first case arrived (we are also in PNW).

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There's another confirmed case in the USA now. A man who'd recently returned from Wuhan. Apparently he doesn't have serious symptoms and is self-isolating at home. He's the 7th confirmed case in the USA now.

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2 hours ago, Pen said:

There seem to be ~ 3000 more cases when I checked online now than when I checked yesterday

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/asia/coronavirus-cases-worldwide-intl-hnk/index.html

 

I think that’s to be expected. I think as tests are being processed the confirmed case number is catching up with reality to a degree. I strongly suspect the actual China number is much higher.

So, at this point, we’re past the SARS outbreak. What I am REALLY hoping is that as people return from CNY (Chinese New Year) is that we won’t see the infected pop over into the broader population.

We had a measles outbreak here last year and so much time and money was spent tracking where the infected had gone because measles is so contagious. The longer the worldwide worry continues the more $$$$$$$$ is going to be spent on this, business/trade will be interrupted (risking recession), etc. Even if this isn’t the zombie apocalypse, this is still disruptive.

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11 hours ago, Carrie12345 said:

I’m not seeing much of anything, mostly because I’m limiting my comings and goings.  Most people I know aren’t phased, and yet my Walmart is out of masks. (I have a very limited supply at home given the size of my family. Wasn’t able to get more in my pick up order earlier this week.)

I did wear gloves to pump my gas yesterday.  I’m already grossed out by gas pumps, so it doesn’t feel excessive to me at all except for the social factor.

 

Gloves are probably a better idea than masks, honestly. 

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Outside of China, there is still no reason to be scared. (And again, that's from someone with health anxiety, underlying condition, and who spent last week sitting next to new students from China).

Just keep washing your hands! (I do soap and water through the day at home and school, and hand sanitiser on public transport). Don't touch your face when you're out. 

I think international attention ought to be turned to supporting China deal with this, especially the developed world, where we have good public health protocols already up and running. 

 

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My husband was at Lowes today and saw a big display of N95 masks.  He bought a couple boxes, which was funny because we aren't really concerned at this point.  I had called med supply mostly because I wanted a box of kid sized masks.  He will use the masks anyway for woodworking projects.  We really would just hole up at home if there was an issue though.  There are so many other factors with the spread in China.  People shouldn't be fearful.

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14554 cases, 300 fatalities Possibly 1st outside of China (Philippines) but not confirmed to be coronavirus yet.

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4 hours ago, StellaM said:

Outside of China, there is still no reason to be scared. (And again, that's from someone with health anxiety, underlying condition, and who spent last week sitting next to new students from China).

Just keep washing your hands! (I do soap and water through the day at home and school, and hand sanitiser on public transport). Don't touch your face when you're out. 

I think international attention ought to be turned to supporting China deal with this, especially the developed world, where we have good public health protocols already up and running. 

 

I feel concerned about the potential loss of freedom in China from this eventually.  I don’t know if that’s a legitimate concern.  

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9 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

14554 cases, 300 fatalities Possibly 1st outside of China (Philippines) but not confirmed to be coronavirus yet.

 

Another big jump.  I don't know how people are not freaked out about it coming to the US.  It is already here.  The way it has overtaken China and will continue to do so, won't it just do that to the whole world? 

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1 minute ago, mommyoffive said:

 

Another big jump.  I don't know how people are not freaked out about it coming to the US.  It is already here.  The way it has overtaken China and will continue to do so, won't it just do that to the whole world? 

I think now is probably a somewhat critical time if they can contain it now it will be ok. My feeling is it probably has been in China for longer than acknowledged and infection protocol didn’t kick in soon enough.  But because we know if we’re careful to contain it it will be ok.  Also lower population density etc has to help.  
another factor is whether it’s likely to be seasonal so not as big a risk in different climates etc.  I do feel more concern now than a week ago though still not panic.

 

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https://amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/one-coronavirus-case-is-a-monash-university-staff-member-vice-chancellor-20200202-p53wyi.html?__twitter_impression=true
 

I thought the decision to delay this uni start times was odd bit turns out they have a staff member infected.

the travel ban from China will have a big impact here as we have a lot of overseas students.

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4 hours ago, StellaM said:

Outside of China, there is still no reason to be scared. (And again, that's from someone with health anxiety, underlying condition, and who spent last week sitting next to new students from China).

Just keep washing your hands! (I do soap and water through the day at home and school, and hand sanitiser on public transport). Don't touch your face when you're out

I think international attention ought to be turned to supporting China deal with this, especially the developed world, where we have good public health protocols already up and running. 

 

That's the hard part. It can be so unconscious to touch your face, scratch an itchy eye or nose, etc. And more so for kids who really are not aware of such things it seems. 

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Just now, Ktgrok said:

That's the hard part. It can be so unconscious to touch your face, scratch an itchy eye or nose, etc. And more so for kids who really are not aware of such things it seems. 

Yep

i have a kid with low muscle tone and he constant leans and holds onto stuff.  Another one who is a bit sensory and really unaware.  

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