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Yes. I thought it was elderberry.  Yes, no elderberry here because I am super autoimmune as is my youngest, (,who moved out this month) but even dh has asthma and allergies and we are about to hit spring with high pollen counts and that isn't what he needs either.

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Snohomish County (WA) student is Everett School District.

District homepage:

https://www.everettsd.org/

has link to pdf of letter that has more details

ETA: King County (WA) woman is Federal Way area I believe

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has this been posted yet?


The Washington Post

Second coronavirus case of unknown origin confirmed in California, indicating virus is spreading in the state

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13 minutes ago, TravelingChris said:

Yes. I thought it was elderberry.  Yes, no elderberry here because I am super autoimmune as is my youngest, (,who moved out this month) but even dh has asthma and allergies and we are about to hit spring with high pollen counts and that isn't what he needs either.

What's the connection with asthma and elderberry? I have asthma, but I don't remember having a reaction when I took elderberry years ago (it wasn't sambucol, which is why I had to look up what that was).

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3 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

has this been posted yet?


The Washington Post

Second coronavirus case of unknown origin confirmed in California, indicating virus is spreading in the state


if it’s the Santa Clara county one, I posted 4 hrs ago.  The first unknown origin case is in Solano county.

abc7news link on both cases https://abc7news.com/5974170/

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My conclusion is that the virus is already pretty well established in several communities in the U.S. We just don't realize it yet. The coming days are going to reveal just how well established, and whether we can contain domestic transmission at this point. I am not optimistic.

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1 minute ago, SeaConquest said:

My conclusion is that the virus is already pretty well established in several communities in the U.S. We just don't realize it yet. The coming days are going to reveal just how well established, and whether we can contain domestic transmission at this point. I am not optimistic.

This is what I believe here and in most places.  Low level spread detected when some people become more severely ill.  It was predictable 

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27 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

 

Sambucol Black Elderberry Immune System Support, Original Formula. 7.8oz (230ml)
Walgreens $24.99 x 1.5 = $37.49

Sprouts $26.99 x 2 = $53.98

Costco $23.99 (twin pack)

Walgreens is cheaper if you don’t have Costco.

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SIL ask us to buy for her so we are scouting prices.

The buy 1, get one 1/2 off at Walgreens is for the 4 oz bottle (120 mL), So the price is actually 14.79 x 1.5 = 22.19 for 240 mL. (Plus, if you have a card, there is another $3 off coupon connected to it.)

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5 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

This is what I believe here and in most places.  Low level spread detected when some people become more severely ill.  It was predictable 

Yep. We are now at 4 separate community transmissions in WA, OR, and 2 separate counties in CA with a long-incubating, highly-contagious virus, during cold/flu season, where most people will not get seriously ill. And the one person in a school has had symptoms for a week! Think of all those people who were infected in just that location.

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So, we all mainline vitamin D like we are doing cocaine.  I ordered emergency-c from amazon (and had no trouble getting my preferred tangerine flavor).   Should we be taking multivitamins?  Elderberry?  Probiotics?  Fish oil?

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Just now, Terabith said:

So, we all mainline vitamin D like we are doing cocaine.  I ordered emergency-c from amazon (and had no trouble getting my preferred tangerine flavor).   Should we be taking multivitamins?  Elderberry?  Probiotics?  Fish oil?

Elderberry if you can tolerate it.  It’s most effective in the first 24 hours.  I’m keeping it in and dosing anyone with mild symptoms because it’s fairly expensive to use as a preventative here

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I wonder if long term the strategy will move from quarantining areas to recommending vulnerable people avoid going out as much as possible?

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@Pen @BeachGal @Acadie

FEBRUARY 15, 2020

Epidemiological and clinical characteristics of 99 cases of 2019 novel coronavirus pneumonia in Wuhan, China: a descriptive study https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30211-7/fulltext

“All patients were tested for nine respiratory pathogens and the nucleic acid of influenza viruses A and B. Bacteria and fungi culture were done at the same time. We did not find other respiratory viruses in any of the patients. Acinetobacter baumannii, Klebsiella pneumoniae,and Aspergillus flavus were all cultured in one patient. A baumannii turned out to be highly resistant to antibiotics. One case of fungal infection was diagnosed as Candida glabrata and three cases of fungal infection were diagnosed as Candida albicans.
According to chest x-ray and CT, 74 (75%) patients showed bilateral pneumonia (75%) with just 25 (25%) patients showing unilateral pneumonia (table 2). 14 (14%) patients showed multiple mottling and ground-glass opacity (table 2; figure). Additionally, pneumothorax occurred in one (1%) patient.”
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1 hour ago, Arcadia said:

 

Sambucol Black Elderberry Immune System Support, Original Formula. 7.8oz (230ml)
Walgreens $24.99 x 1.5 = $37.49

Sprouts $26.99 x 2 = $53.98

Costco $23.99 (twin pack)

Walgreens is cheaper if you don’t have Costco.

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SIL ask us to buy for her so we are scouting prices.

Sambucol is available as a gummy and is equally effective. That might be a good option if they are going to carry a lot of it back home.

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38 minutes ago, Renai said:

What's the connection with asthma and elderberry? I have asthma, but I don't remember having a reaction when I took elderberry years ago (it wasn't sambucol, which is why I had to look up what that was).

 

http://pennstatehershey.adam.com/content.aspx?productid=107&pid=33&gid=002880
“Possible Interactions

If you are being treated with any of the following medications, you should talk to your health care provider before taking elderberry:

Diuretics (water pills). Diuretics help the body get rid of excess fluid and increase the amount of urine your body makes. Elderberry may also act as a diuretic, so taking it along with a diuretic could make that drug stronger and raise your risk of dehydration. Diuretics include:

  • Hydrochlorothiazide
  • Bumetanide (Burinex)
  • Furosemide (Lasix)
  • Amiloride (Midamor)
  • Metolazone (Zaroxolyn) 

Diabetes medications. Elderberry may lower blood sugar levels. If you are also taking drugs for diabetes, taking elderberry may increase your risk of developing hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar.

Chemotherapy. Elderberry may interact with some chemotherapy drugs. If you are undergoing chemotherapy, ask your oncologist before taking any herb or supplement.

Laxatives. Elderberry may act like a laxative and should not be taken at the same time as other laxatives.

Theophylline (TheoDur). Elderberry may reduce levels of theophylline, a drug taken for asthma and other respiratory conditions. That could make the drug not work as well.

Drugs that suppress the immune system. Because elderberry may stimulate the immune system, it could interfere with medications taken to suppress the immune system. These medications include corticosteroids (prednisone) and medications used to treat autoimmune diseases. People with organ transplants should also avoid elderberry.”

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Just now, mathnerd said:

Sambucol is available as a gummy and is equally effective. That might be a good option if they are going to carry a lot of it back home.

SIL requested the syrup which is why we grab the Costco twin pack. 

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4 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

 

I just had our flights for SB cancelled too.  What airline where you flying?  Didn't a bunch airlines stop flying to Italy?  If they did they offer a refund. 

I hope they will, but it's Ryanair.  They aren't known for their generosity.  However,  it was under 400eu for all four of us. Bad, but not a crisis. 

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5,938 cases outside mainland China.

I am fairly sure Iran have widespread undetected cases.  Otherwise their fatality rate is currently almost 10pc.  Italy’s is at 2pc but they are excluding asymptomatic cases from their figures and had some shortage of testing facilities meaning it may be lower (or at least stay stable as more cases reach a conclusion).  Also they had hospital infection of already ill people which probably upped it.

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6 hours ago, regentrude said:

why buy water? Are they expecting contamination of tap water??

I live in a rural area in a hot climate. Most people walk around with a bottle of water to avoid dehydration. The water here is very hard, too. We run ours through a softener, but that makes it taste salty. 😛 We get a monthly bottled water delivery, (the big 5 gallon bottles).  A lot of other people do the same.  I'm guessing the people in my area that are buying water are following the advice of "Get some extra now". Although now that I think about it, we've got a water bottling plant in town, so there shouldn't be any supply chain issues here for bottled water. 

I can fill bottles from the outside spigot if need be, because it bypasses the softener, but hauling water to the house is a bit more "Little House on the Prairie" than I want to go.  

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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid19-japan-cherry-blossoms-cancelled-coronavirus-tourism-12485152
“(Updated: 29 Feb 2020 03:20PM)

TOKYO: Major cherry blossom festivals in Japan have been cancelled due to the deadly new coronavirus, the latest in a growing list of events quashed as the epidemic spreads globally.

The traditional spring celebrations in Tokyo and Osaka, which attract millions of people wanting to seeing the white and pink flowers, will not go ahead as planned in April.

"We are sincerely sorry for those who were looking forward to the viewing ... but please give us your understanding," the Japan Mint in Osaka said Friday.

Other cherry blossom events - feverishly anticipated by locals and tourists - are likely to follow suit, according to local media.

Organisers of Tokyo's Nakameguro Cherry Blossom Festival said people could still enjoy the blooming trees that grow along public roads.

Trees in Tokyo will soon be in full bloom, with friends, families and colleagues typically flocking to parks for sometimes raucous, alcohol-fuelled celebrations.

The cancellations come as authorities step up efforts to tackle the outbreak in Japan, which has reported more than 230 infections and five deaths.”

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There are pics on twitter showing South Korean army praying disinfectant using vehicles etc.  They are from Yonhap news though I can’t figure out how to find them (can’t read Korean!). Looks a little bit serious in containment efforts.   I haven’t seen that kind of widespread disinfection in Italy yet.  There was a couple of pics of people disinfecting from Iran but nothing too serious.

You have to assume if they are doing that there’s a fairly good indication of survival for some time on surfaces.

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218 New cases from South Korea

total today for South Korea was 813.  All up for Korea 3,150.

The fact that the Australian gov have put a travel ban on Iran but not South Korea tells me they believe the spread there is much much wider than reported.

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@Ausmumof3 


Airlines Are Using Disinfectant That Kills Herpes and MRSA to Clean Planes in Wake of Coronavirus Outbreak https://time.com/5791414/airlines-disinfectant-coronavirus/

“What cleaning products are used?

Qantas used Viraclean, a hospital-grade disinfectant made by Sydney-based Whiteley Corp. It’s a pink, lemon-scented liquid that kills a range of bacteria and viruses including Hepatitis B and herpes simplex, according to the manufacturer. Surfaces heavily soiled with blood or sweat should be soaked with undiluted Viraclean. Gloves and eye protection are recommended, Whiteley says.

Korean Air opted for MD-125. That’s a diluted version of D-125, a cleaning solution made by Microgen and used in industries from health care to poultry farming. The company says MD-125 acts against 142 bacteria and viruses, including salmonella, avian flu, HIV and measles.

Scoot, a low-cost carrier owned by Singapore Airlines, sprayed a mist of “industrial-grade disinfectant” throughout the cabin — a process known as fogging.”

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32 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

There are pics on twitter showing South Korean army praying disinfectant using vehicles etc.  They are from Yonhap news though I can’t figure out how to find them (can’t read Korean!). Looks a little bit serious in containment efforts.  


“South Korean army soldiers wearing protective suits spray disinfectant to prevent the spread of the COVID-19 virus on a street in Daegu, South Korea, Thursday, Feb. 27, 2020. As the worst-hit areas of Asia continued to struggle with a viral epidemic, with hundreds more cases reported Thursday in South Korea and China, worries about infection and containment spread across the globe. (Lee Moo-ryul/Newsis via AP) Associated Press”

many links for the photo e.g. https://www.businessinsider.com/in-scramble-to-stop-virus-testing-raises-tough-questions-2020-2

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Global Times

“No companies, organizations, or individuals in Beijing are allowed to pick up people from Hubei Province and fetch Hubei residents from other regions, especially #COVID19 patients and suspects: Beijing municipal govt.”

 

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Tweet from BBC correspondent in Seoul

In Daegu, 1900 Shincheonji Church members have been tested for coronavirus. 1300 had symptoms & 600 did not. Among those 1300 with symptoms, 87.5% were confirmed with the virus . BUT out of the 600 WITHOUT symptoms, 70% were confirmed with coronavirus.
 

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“China manufacturing PMI 35.7 in February That's a record low - in the 2008 financial crisis it was 38.8”. From a random tweet

https://tradingeconomics.com/china/manufacturing-pmi

this link shows the index I can’t verify the financial crisis low though only the more recent one.  I 100pc don’t understand economics but that doesn’t sound good.

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6 hours ago, TravelingChris said:

Yes. I thought it was elderberry.  Yes, no elderberry here because I am super autoimmune as is my youngest, (,who moved out this month) but even dh has asthma and allergies and we are about to hit spring with high pollen counts and that isn't what he needs either.

We're avoiding elderberry, too, as well as any other new supplements. I have multiple AI issues and am on an immuno suppressant medication, and DH is getting ready to start immune therapy for his cancer. First do no harm seems like a good motto. I could get some elderberry for DS21, but given that he's young and has no underlying health issues that put him at higher risk it doesn't seem like a huge need.

 

6 hours ago, Terabith said:

Does elderberry make sense to take as a preventative or just first symptoms/ known exposure?

I think you can take it as a preventative if you can find enough and afford enough. It's very expensive to take it as a preventative, and I doubt it's going to be easy to find after the next day or three. If I were inclined to use it (and we have used it in the past, before we developed health issues that make it inadvisable), I'd save it for use at the first sign of symptoms.

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Coronavirus updates: - Spain: 8 new cases - Japan: 6 new cases - Taiwan: 5 new cases - Germany: 4 new cases - Austria: 3 new cases - Netherlands: 2 new cases - 3rd case in the country of Georgia; gov't closing schools for 1 extra week
 

from BNO

too many cases to individually update each time so that’s a summary.

6433 outside Ml China cases, 98 deaths, 165 serious or critical.

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Our pediatrician sent this about elderberry/Sambucol:

Since coronavirus is an RNA virus like influenza and influenza responds to Sambucol brand elderberry, we are recommending that our patients over 4 years take 10 ml and those 1-4 take 5 ml (1 tsp) daily until this gets sorted out.  There is no down side but the cost and a significant potential up side.  Please do not use gummies as there is no evidence about their efficacy.   

I'm going to pick some up today, not to use as a preventative but to have in the house. I think it will sell out in the next week. 

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Wake Forest University is closing its study abroad facility in Venice and bringing students home, but won't allow those students on campus for two weeks:

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Wake Forest University said Friday it is closing its university-owned study-abroad center in Venice, Italy, after saying earlier this week that students would remain there.

“In response to news of growing numbers of novel coronavirus cases in northern Italy and the possibility of increased travel restrictions, Wake Forest University made the difficult decision to close its study abroad program in Venice for the semester,” said Cheryl Walker, a WFU spokeswoman. “One of the challenges associated with the coronavirus situation is that things are changing very rapidly.”

The university said there’s no evidence that any of the students have been exposed to the coronavirus.

Nineteen students and one faculty member will leave Casa Artom in Venice this weekend, Walker said. Wake Forest leaders said students returning home from Italy won’t be allowed back on campus for two weeks.

“Students will continue classes on campus beginning March 16, following Wake Forest’s spring break,” Walker said.

 

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7 hours ago, Arcadia said:

@Pen @BeachGal @Acadie

FEBRUARY 15, 2020

Epidemiological and clinical characteristics of 99 cases of 2019 novel coronavirus pneumonia in Wuhan, China: a descriptive study https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30211-7/fulltext

“All patients were tested for nine respiratory pathogens and the nucleic acid of influenza viruses A and B. Bacteria and fungi culture were done at the same time. We did not find other respiratory viruses in any of the patients. Acinetobacter baumannii, Klebsiella pneumoniae,and Aspergillus flavus were all cultured in one patient. A baumannii turned out to be highly resistant to antibiotics. One case of fungal infection was diagnosed as Candida glabrata and three cases of fungal infection were diagnosed as Candida albicans.
According to chest x-ray and CT, 74 (75%) patients showed bilateral pneumonia (75%) with just 25 (25%) patients showing unilateral pneumonia (table 2). 14 (14%) patients showed multiple mottling and ground-glass opacity (table 2; figure). Additionally, pneumothorax occurred in one (1%) patient.”

 

That’s sure a lot of infections!   Antibiotic resistant pneumonia sounds bad especially in such crowded conditions as pictures showed. 

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1 hour ago, Pawz4me said:

I think you can take it as a preventative if you can find enough and afford enough. It's very expensive to take it as a preventative, and I doubt it's going to be easy to find after the next day or three. If I were inclined to use it (and we have used it in the past, before we developed health issues that make it inadvisable), I'd save it for use at the first sign of symptoms.

 

I agree.  Unless someone knows from experience it works for them for other viruses and already has an enormous supply on hand, (maybe made elderberry syrup for themselves by the gallon) I think taking it as a preventive may be unfeasible because this is not going to be a matter of just a few weeks and they’ll “have it sorted out.” 

 

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So outside SF, Portland, and now Seattle all have community transmission. There’s no way it’s not everywhere.

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6 minutes ago, Farrar said:

So outside SF, Portland, and now Seattle all have community transmission. There’s no way it’s not everywhere.

 

Unfortunately I came to the same conclusion last night.  Does anyone know what the policies are regarding when people start dying?  Are the bodies automatically cremated? Will open-casket funerals still be allowed?

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9 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

One new case in Canada after return from Egypt.  I thought there wasn’t spread in Egypt just that one case that they ended up saying was negative?  Does that indicate that it might be there and not being identified?

They had to have gone through airports, probably more than one, so they could have been exposed to many people from more at risk areas. I imagine the trip from Egypt to Canada is not likely to be a direct flight, and even if it were, people from other places are in those airports and the planes came from several somewhere elses. But it's probably in Egypt too because i's probably everywhere by now. 

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1 hour ago, Katy said:

 

Unfortunately I came to the same conclusion last night.  Does anyone know what the policies are regarding when people start dying?  Are the bodies automatically cremated? Will open-casket funerals still be allowed?

I don’t think funeral practices have been a big part of the spread, have they?

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aaannnndd . . . according to our state health dept. we have two more cases here in the seattle area.  (they tested positive on the tests the State. Dept.. of Health conducted.)  must be confirmed by the CDCP.

one is a high school student from Snohomish county - who went to school while sick, then stayed home - then tried to go back. (though was too sick to stay and didn't actually attend classes - the 2nd time.)

 

great . . . . . . /

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As an aside, we dose with elderberry (mostly homemade syrup) 3-4 times a week through cold and flu season.  Our incidence of upper respiratory stuff is significantly down since we started that several years ago.  I had no problem ordering an extra pound of dried elderberries from Amazon this week.   We do go to 2-3 times daily if we start having symptoms.   We do order gummies for travel during the winter.

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1 hour ago, Katy said:

 

Unfortunately I came to the same conclusion last night.  Does anyone know what the policies are regarding when people start dying?  Are the bodies automatically cremated? Will open-casket funerals still be allowed?

Can’t imagine that people will want to have/go to funerals so suspect most will chose immediate burial with memorial services happening later.  
 

41 minutes ago, Selkie said:

Has this been posted already? I've been trying to keep up with this thread, but might have missed it.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/28/i-have-coronavirus-so-far-it-isnt-that-bad/

Thank you!  This made me feel calmer.........

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