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5 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

It looks like 5th of Jan for 5-11s here which means effectively mid February before they actually are protected.

We are even later. Late Jan for our kiddies.  The government really wants the NZ regulatory system to function properly with approval, and not just say the American approval is good enough for us. But school starts back up Feb 1, so parents are starting to loudly complain about the delays. 

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10 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Why do you think Vic has decided to take a more heavy handed approach? Is it because you’ve had a worse run with the virus?  Just something about Dan’s leadership?  More population resistance? People here seem more likely to complain the GOV is not doing enough than the other way round. (Not all of course).

It is Dan's power swelled head. He has just ramed through state parliament new powers for himself that are way beyond anything most governments anywhere have. 

He brags openly about how Victoria is one of the fastest vaccinated places in the world, 

That soon we will be the most vaccinated place in the world

That  the very few unvaccinated will have their lives made so miserable that their lives will not be worth living 

 

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1 hour ago, regentrude said:

That sounds completely like paradise - compared to the shit show we have here. I would love mask mandates and the protection of knowing the venue is frequented only by vaccinated persons.
It definitely beats having to teach in a classroom full of unmasked, unvaxxed students, having to shop surrounded by unmasked, unvaxxed folks, and not being able to go anywhere that's not strictly necessary. Nah, a mask and vaccine mandate in public spaces sounds like heaven. Maybe then we also didn't have to know people who had Covid. Maybe then we didn't have to be daily concerned about infection.

Oh, the children are unmasked and unvaccinated! And getting Covid, including Omicron. A school in my general area has just shut with an Omicron cluster. 

I'm in a different state to Melissa, and no-one is checking vax status.here. Little old ladies can shop where they like. Ds is in retail and has instructions not to check for vac status and to ignore ppl who aren't masking. 

My dd is in Melbourne and it's pot luck whether she gets checked  or not. Dd would like things to be taken a bit more seriously, actually, but what can you do? She had to delay going clothes shopping for her new job yesterday because the city was full of unvaccinated protesters. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

That  the very few unvaccinated will have their lives made so miserable that their lives will not be worth living 

Wow! The approach here is to say if you are vaccine hesitant/resistant we need to keep you safe, so you need to wear masks and have fewer people in the venues to make sure you don't get it.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0954611121004170

Results

Median age of all patients was 57 years, 37.8% were female. Higher age, male sex and higher BMI were associated with acute-COVID-19 severity (p < 0.0001, 0.001 and 0.004 respectively). Also, pulmonary restriction and reduced carbon monoxide diffusion capacity was associated with disease severity. In patients with restriction and impaired diffusion capacity, FVC improved over 12 months from 61.32 to 71.82, TLC from 68.92 to 76.95, DLCO from 60.18 to 68.98 and KCO from 81.28 to 87.80 (percent predicted values; p = 0.002, 0.045, 0.0002 and 0.0005). The CT-score of lung involvement in the acute phase was associated with restriction and reduction in diffusion capacity in follow-up. Respiratory symptoms improved for patients in higher severity groups during follow-up, but not for patients with initially mild disease.

Conclusion

Severity of respiratory failure during COVID-19 correlates with the degree of pulmonary function impairment and respiratory quality of life in the year after acute infection.

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48 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

That  the very few unvaccinated will have their lives made so miserable that their lives will not be worth living 

 

These kind of statements feel dangerous/insensitive to me (I know you don't mean to be). Lots of people have reasons they have to live their lives in a similar way, and that doesn't mean their lives aren't worth living. We have lived in a more restricted way ourselves during the pandemic than what it sounds most unvaccinated people are required to do where you are, and it certainly doesn't mean our lives are not worth living. A lot of things have sucked, but there has been good to find as well, and we are getting through. Without restrictions, it just shifts the burden to older and immune compromised people rather than to unvaccinated people. I don't see how that is any better/more fair. It's a pandemic. It sucks. There's no perfect way to make a pandemic like usual life. Having good mitigation strategies in place allows it to be as much like usual life as possible.

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38 minutes ago, KSera said:

These kind of statements feel dangerous/insensitive to me (I know you don't mean to be). Lots of people have reasons they have to live their lives in a similar way, and that doesn't mean their lives aren't worth living. We have lived in a more restricted way ourselves during the pandemic than what it sounds most unvaccinated people are required to do where you are, and it certainly doesn't mean our lives are not worth living. A lot of things have sucked, but there has been good to find as well, and we are getting through. Without restrictions, it just shifts the burden to older and immune compromised people rather than to unvaccinated people. I don't see how that is any better/more fair. It's a pandemic. It sucks. There's no perfect way to make a pandemic like usual life. Having good mitigation strategies in place allows it to be as much like usual life as possible.

I was repeating what the premier has stated

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1 hour ago, Melissa Louise said:

The new powers Vic has are basically the same as those in NSW, just fyi. I think maybe less oversight in NSW. 

No, they are really not. For a start, you guys don't face $21, 000+ fines for individuals. Even nsw's latest proposal to extend emergency powers has an end date in 2023, ours have no sunset clause.

Most of the 'better than/same as nsw' stuff doesn't factor in that our state gov has a majority in all the 'oversight' committees (eg SARC, which has 4/7 labor plus one independent who votes with labor) and that labor mps aren't allowed to cross the floor. And the 'transparency' means squat - eg the gov is currently fighting to not release FOI documents. That doesn't even touch on their current corruption investigation. I'm not at all trying to imply the other side would be better, the state libs are a sh!t show  - I'm p!ssed off that either side has access to these powers.

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On 12/4/2021 at 10:41 AM, Acadie said:

My corner of Ohio is experiencing the biggest spike in the state,

I am sure we'll be right behind you. We usually lag a few weeks. Some of the larger hospital systems' emergency departments have been on divert status on and off for days. 

16 hours ago, Not_a_Number said:

If you don’t require vaccines, you keep people out, too. A lot of people.

I wish this was acknowledged more, especially since it's often a social opting out. It's discounted because it's not law; it's a choice. And then we're berated directly or indirectly for opting out. I am not sure why I should want to rejoin my church if they don't enforce their own stated rules (pre-June), and now that there are no rules, it's every member for themselves. At least in my church there was always a potential path to accommodate both the cautious and the completely unconcerned to a point, and they opted to allow the unconcerned to pollute any and all activities. 

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2 hours ago, kbutton said:

Anybody else wondering if we're going to reach a point where multiple strains are circulating and people are getting more than one at a time? This happens with the flu relatively often. 

With the potential for recombination events…

that’s what Peter Hotez was suggesting - twin waves of Delta and Omicron 

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Really happy about kids vax being approved. Lower numbers today for NSW (208) and VIC (1073). Trying to decide what is safe and not safe at the moment. I went to a local restaurant last week - but our local numbers are like  . . . one? three? very low, anyway. Cannot wait till school finishes next week, no masks there, even the teachers are wearing them under their noses. 

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Just now, bookbard said:

Really happy about kids vax being approved. Lower numbers today for NSW (208) and VIC (1073). Trying to decide what is safe and not safe at the moment. I went to a local restaurant last week - but our local numbers are like  . . . one? three? very low, anyway. Cannot wait till school finishes next week, no masks there, even the teachers are wearing them under their noses. 

Fingers crossed vax rates over summer for kids mirror rates for over 12's. I actually have a horrible feeling vax rates will be lowish - so much misinformation has been allowed to spread. 

But a relief for families who do want their children to have the protection offered by the vax. 

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3 hours ago, kbutton said:

I wish this was acknowledged more, especially since it's often a social opting out. It's discounted because it's not law; it's a choice. And then we're berated directly or indirectly for opting out. I am not sure why I should want to rejoin my church if they don't enforce their own stated rules (pre-June), and now that there are no rules, it's every member for themselves. At least in my church there was always a potential path to accommodate both the cautious and the completely unconcerned to a point, and they opted to allow the unconcerned to pollute any and all activities. 

This. 100% this. It is exhausting. My kid could die so we stay home and still behave as we did March 2020. We are all isolated from friends and family. We cannot go out to dinner as a family. We cannot enjoy hobbies, together or even seperate, as we did in 2019. And on top of all of that we are treated like crap for being in a position where staying home is not a luxury, it is life or death.

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1 hour ago, SHP said:

This. 100% this. It is exhausting. My kid could die so we stay home and still behave as we did March 2020. We are all isolated from friends and family. We cannot go out to dinner as a family. We cannot enjoy hobbies, together or even seperate, as we did in 2019. And on top of all of that we are treated like crap for being in a position where staying home is not a luxury, it is life or death.

This was written on my home ed board in reference to people complaining about the vaccine passports being discrimination. It was stated in a way that I have never heard before and really spoke to me.

"*Actual* *real* discrimination is when disabled people are excluded from spaces because of an inadequate health response which does not work to take their wellbeing into account. There is a a lot of abelism in this thread and it would serve us all well if we could all check our [health] privilege."

 

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42 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abj5508
 

I haven’t had time to read this in depth between school and work but a possible antiviral that may work for both RSV and Covid.

Everything about this drug looks super promising *except* that  there is no indication of how soon this would have to be given to be effective. In the tests on ferrets with SARS2 it seems that the drug had to be given within 12 hours of infection (that's initial exposure, not the appearance of symptoms). The researchers mention that since disease progression is slower in humans, the window may be larger, but no mention of how much larger. Since many people have no idea they are even infected until several days after exposure, human studies are obviously needed to see if it will still work if it's taken, say, 4-5 days after exposure.

Even if it doesn't work well at the point when most people would test positive, it might be an effective prophylactic in cases where there is a high risk of exposure. In the mouse/RSV studies, for example, it worked just as well if it was taken within 24 hours before exposure.

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We came to Panama for a quick vacation the middle of last week until tomorrow. We wanted to give my  (boosted) mother a vacation since she hasn't traveled since Covid. I had checked out the numbers and health system and was prepared to hunker down and daily test the tour guide we hired. But once we got on the ground I was elated to see everyone wearing a surgical mask (even more 95% of them correctly!). They wear them inside and out unless eating. My mother, who was wearing a cloth mask, got asked to change into a surgical mask and was told it was safer. Our tour guide was fully vaccinated and boostered and showed us his plastic Covid card with QR code. In the Jewish community I was so so so happy to see 99% perfectly worn masks in and out of the synagogue. In my community in Boston we currently have an unchecked amount of active covid cases. No one masks or cares there. I want to stay here forever!

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31 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

Everything about this drug looks super promising *except* that  there is no indication of how soon this would have to be given to be effective. In the tests on ferrets with SARS2 it seems that the drug had to be given within 12 hours of infection (that's initial exposure, not the appearance of symptoms). The researchers mention that since disease progression is slower in humans, the window may be larger, but no mention of how much larger. Since many people have no idea they are even infected until several days after exposure, human studies are obviously needed to see if it will still work if it's taken, say, 4-5 days after exposure.

Even if it doesn't work well at the point when most people would test positive, it might be an effective prophylactic in cases where there is a high risk of exposure. In the mouse/RSV studies, for example, it worked just as well if it was taken within 24 hours before exposure.

Thanks.  I really appreciate your ability to interpret and get to the crux of these studies.

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Locally one of our mystery cases turned out to be false positive and the other has been linked to interstate. So all cases are now linked to the one cluster. We didn’t get a proper press conference today and there was no mention whatsoever of Omicron in what we did get. So looks like we are just ignoring it and hoping for the best.

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3 hours ago, lewelma said:

This was written on my home ed board in reference to people complaining about the vaccine passports being discrimination. It was stated in a way that I have never heard before and really spoke to me.

"*Actual* *real* discrimination is when disabled people are excluded from spaces because of an inadequate health response which does not work to take their wellbeing into account. There is a a lot of abelism in this thread and it would serve us all well if we could all check our [health] privilege."

 

Yes, this. 

I'm also tired of hearing about the 1% of nurses at some hospital or other who are going to quit over vaccine requirements, with no thought given at all to how many might quit over being denied a safe work environment if their co-workers AREN'T vaccinated. Or how many people won't go into health care or education or whatever at all now that they see how little regard many people give to the lives or health of people in those fields. 

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1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Locally one of our mystery cases turned out to be false positive and the other has been linked to interstate. So all cases are now linked to the one cluster. We didn’t get a proper press conference today and there was no mention whatsoever of Omicron in what we did get. So looks like we are just ignoring it and hoping for the best.

Whats your best guess about the border? Ds' g/friend isn't booked to leave till the 21 st, and I'm thinking she should probably try to bring it forward. 

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1 hour ago, Melissa Louise said:

Whats your best guess about the border? Ds' g/friend isn't booked to leave till the 21 st, and I'm thinking she should probably try to bring it forward. 

There’s been basically nothing about it today.  I’d be super hesitant to say.  My gut feel based on absolutely nothing is that they’re trying to push through it but if bad data comes in about omicron they will shut down with little warning.  They have already been moving many more people than expected into hotel quarantine which is causing a bit of angst, apparently including people who had prior approval for home quarantine.

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“We are very concerned (about Omicron). We’re meeting on a very regular basis and we don’t take any option off the table. 

Professor Spurrier came to the directions meeting with a recommendation to close the borders, which would be the most risk-averse approach we could take. 

It was a consensus decision, supported by everybody in the directions committee, that we step through this as gradually as possible.”

@Melissa Louise

This is the quote from Marshall from the press conference today which is obviously horribly inconclusive.

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1 minute ago, Ausmumof3 said:

“We are very concerned (about Omicron). We’re meeting on a very regular basis and we don’t take any option off the table. 

Professor Spurrier came to the directions meeting with a recommendation to close the borders, which would be the most risk-averse approach we could take. 

It was a consensus decision, supported by everybody in the directions committee, that we step through this as gradually as possible.”

@Melissa Louise

This is the quote from Marshall from the press conference today which is obviously horribly inconclusive.

I'm just grateful we're not trying to second guess the NSW - VIC border as well.

All I can do is give L a heads up that she might want to squeak through sooner rather than later. Ty!

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18 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

I'm just grateful we're not trying to second guess the NSW - VIC border as well.

All I can do is give L a heads up that she might want to squeak through sooner rather than later. Ty!

Yeah, it’s so hard to know hey.  At least she’s not likely to have issues going back the other way. 

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I have elective surgery scheduled for Wednesday with a one night overnight stay.  I got a call from the surgeon's office today saying that the hospital is full of covid patients and will not allow surgeries that require an overnight stay.  They gave me the option of going home the same day or canceling.  😞  As of now I'm planning on going ahead with the surgery and coming home the same day but I'm really upset about it.  OTOH, I'm grateful to have the option.  

Our small county hospital has been full for a while but this is a bigger hospital in an area where I thought there were fewer Covid patients.  I just hope they don't cancel before Wednesday.

 

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1 hour ago, Kassia said:

I have elective surgery scheduled for Wednesday with a one night overnight stay.  I got a call from the surgeon's office today saying that the hospital is full of covid patients and will not allow surgeries that require an overnight stay. 

Oh darn it. I am sorry. This sucks. And that's what the "but it's my personal choice" folks can't get into their thick skulls.

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2 hours ago, Kassia said:

I have elective surgery scheduled for Wednesday with a one night overnight stay.  I got a call from the surgeon's office today saying that the hospital is full of covid patients and will not allow surgeries that require an overnight stay.  They gave me the option of going home the same day or canceling.  😞  As of now I'm planning on going ahead with the surgery and coming home the same day but I'm really upset about it.  OTOH, I'm grateful to have the option.  

Our small county hospital has been full for a while but this is a bigger hospital in an area where I thought there were fewer Covid patients.  I just hope they don't cancel before Wednesday.

 

I hope your surgery goes forward as you wish and that coming home ends up being a safer option for you, with good support. Do you have a sense from the surgeon's office what kind of support you might need, and family or a friend who can be available to help out? 

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34 minutes ago, Acadie said:

I hope your surgery goes forward as you wish and that coming home ends up being a safer option for you, with good support. Do you have a sense from the surgeon's office what kind of support you might need, and family or a friend who can be available to help out? 

DH will be home with me.  What I'm scared of is that I have a very difficult time waking up from anesthesia and I'm afraid to come home practically unconscious.  Especially since I'm having foot surgery and can't put any weight on my foot and I can only get into the house using stairs.  I just can't imagine being very groggy and trying to get in the house and up the stairs with only one foot. 

With my last surgery, my respiratory rate dropped and DH and a nurse had to sit with me in recovery for hours nudging me constantly and encouraging me to cough to bring it back up.  

I'm also worried about pain relief since I'd be getting it by IV in the hospital but orally at home.  I don't want to be nauseated and it won't be as effective as it would be with IV.  Plus I'd just be more comfortable in a hospital bed where it's easy to elevate the foot of the bed, icing, etc.  And DH would get a little bit of a break before having to take care of me.  But I'm mostly nervous about actually waking up enough to get home and in the house.  Maybe I should be worried about the pain as well.  😞  It's major surgery - total foot reconstruction that is expected to take three hours.

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1 minute ago, Kassia said:

I'm also worried about pain relief since I'd be getting it by IV in the hospital but orally at home.  I don't want to be nauseated and it won't be as effective as it would be with IV.  Plus I'd just be more comfortable in a hospital bed where it's easy to elevate the foot of the bed, icing, etc.  And DH would get a little bit of a break before having to take care of me.  But I'm mostly nervous about actually waking up enough to get home and in the house.  Maybe I should be worried about the pain as well.  😞  It's major surgery - total foot reconstruction that is expected to take three hours.

Pain meds often make me nauseated. I ask for a script for something to help with that. I may need it or I may not, but I want it there immediately in case I need it.  Maybe you can ask for a paper script and then only have your DH fill it if you need it? 

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18 minutes ago, Kassia said:

 What I'm scared of is that I have a very difficult time waking up from anesthesia and I'm afraid to come home practically unconscious. ...

With my last surgery, my respiratory rate dropped and DH and a nurse had to sit with me in recovery for hours nudging me constantly and encouraging me to cough to bring it back up.  

I'm also worried about pain relief since I'd be getting it by IV in the hospital but orally at home.  I don't want to be nauseated and it won't be as effective as it would be with IV.  

They can't discharge you if you haven't woken properly from surgery, can they? Won't they have to keep you in the observation room until certain vitals establish? (I doo have a tough time waking up; it takes longer than with other patients)

I get very nauseous from anesthesia and can't tolerate narcotics.
Last surgery, I mentioned it to the doctor beforehand, and they put something into my IV to alleviate nausea. The other time, I called because I was so nauseous, and they sent a prescription for promethizine.

Good luck. I am sorry you are in that position. Can you recruit an additional person to take you home so they and your DH can safely put you to bed?
 

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I'm sorry, Kassim. That sounds extra stressful. 

One thing to consider might be asking for your dh to get pain and anti-nausea meds for you before you leave the hospital. I and family members have had occasions when hospital pharmacy was the only one to whom the prescription went, but then they were closed for the night or the weekend, and it was a huge problem to get the prescription sent elsewhere or something else prescribed instead. I wouldn't leave without both meds in hand. I'm sure they can do that for you.

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11 minutes ago, elroisees said:

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One thing to consider might be asking for your dh to get pain and anti-nausea meds for you before you leave the hospital.

I do have it set up that the hospital pharmacy will bring any prescriptions to be before I'm discharged.  And we have Zofran and percocet here from DH's recent ER visit for a kidney stone.

 

 

28 minutes ago, regentrude said:


Last surgery, I mentioned it to the doctor beforehand, and they put something into my IV to alleviate nausea. 

Good luck. I am sorry you are in that position. Can you recruit an additional person to take you home so they and your DH can safely put you to bed?
 

I always ask the anesthesiologist for something to help with nausea.  Sometimes I wonder if that's what is causing me to have so much trouble waking up.  We don't have anyone else to help get me in and DH has a sensitive back (I suspect a herniated disc) so we'll have to be very careful.  

 

 

47 minutes ago, Bambam said:

Pain meds often make me nauseated. I ask for a script for something to help with that. I may need it or I may not, but I want it there immediately in case I need it.  Maybe you can ask for a paper script and then only have your DH fill it if you need it? 

They told me the hospital pharmacy will get my prescription to me before discharge.  If there's a problem, we have Zofran and Percocet here from DH's recent ER visit.  

 

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Might sound a bit like overkill but if you get really stuck local volunteer fire brigade or storm emergency people may help you out.  They do get a few calls of that nature here and quite often get asked to help paramedics with lifting people etc. It might be a different situation there though.  I really hope all goes as smoothly as possible.

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19 minutes ago, Kassia said:

 

I always ask the anesthesiologist for something to help with nausea.  Sometimes I wonder if that's what is causing me to have so much trouble waking up.

 

I don't know if what they can put in your IV makes your groggy or not. When I had my hysterectomy many years ago I told them I get terribly nauseous with general anesthesia, so supposedly they put something in my IV. But I still woke up feeling awful and asked for something. Then they gave me Phenergan (promethazine) which . . . yeah, it made me hugely sleepy. I could NOT wake up.

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2 hours ago, Pawz4me said:

I don't know if what they can put in your IV makes your groggy or not. When I had my hysterectomy many years ago I told them I get terribly nauseous with general anesthesia, so supposedly they put something in my IV. But I still woke up feeling awful and asked for something. Then they gave me Phenergan (promethazine) which . . . yeah, it made me hugely sleepy. I could NOT wake up.

Phenergan is definitely stronger than Zofran as far as making you sleepy!  

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Things are just ticking along here at the same pace. 260 cases in NSW and a bit over 1,100 in Vic.  Maybe slightly up on a couple of weeks ago but very gradual. NSW has 31 cases of omicron, no hospitalisations so far but it’s probably too soon for them to have hit that stage. QLD are opening next week.

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