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More truck drivers test positive for COVID in South Australia

SA Health authorities have revealed that five COVID positive truck drivers have travelled through the state in the past six days.

That list includes a further two truck drivers who were notified to authorities today.

There are now 20 exposure sites across the state, from Nundroo and Ceduna in the west, to Port Augusta, Port Wakefiled, Adelaide, and Tailem Bend in the South-East.

Authorities say there is no evidence of transmission from the cases, but dozens of contacts of each driver have been ordered into isolation.

Meanwhile, SA Health says traces of COVID have also been detected in sewage in two Adelaide suburbs: Salisbury in the northern suburbs and in Lonsdale in the south.

 

Honestly it’s only a matter of time I think 

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4 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Vic has given up on target zero.

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they say it is impossible with delta

NZ modelling says our r value is currently under 1. We will see if it is possible to control it. Crossing fingers. 

They are trying to secure more vaccine this month because of the massive surge in demand. But if they can't, they are going to prioritize Auckland and take from other regions. Next planned big shipment is due Oct 1, and at the current rate, we run out Sept 20.

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What do you all make of this guy?  He posts a lot about long Covid and super antigens etc. however I can’t get my head around exactly what that means.  A lot of what he shares/posts is kind of worrying but I don’t know how seriously to take it. 

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1 minute ago, Ausmumof3 said:

176 cases for Vic 😫

What do you think this reflects? 

Delta infectiousness a la Gladys, poor compliance, also a la Gladys or a combo? It can't be the lockdown settings. Unless it is, and only NZ settings can wrestle Delta.

Or is it just the natural path of a lockdown? 

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9 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

What do you think this reflects? 

Delta infectiousness a la Gladys, poor compliance, also a la Gladys or a combo? 

Both.

State opposition seem to think Dan should be Gladys, but with NZ's outcomes, which the non-compliant feel is very supportive.

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4 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

What do you think this reflects? 

Delta infectiousness a la Gladys, poor compliance, also a la Gladys or a combo? It can't be the lockdown settings. Unless it is, and only NZ settings can wrestle Delta.

Or is it just the natural path of a lockdown? 

I’m not sure.  Coronacast mentions inner city housing and I’m sure delta infectiousness plays a role plus quarantine fatigue. There’s also multiple plus probably repeat seedings from NSW. I’m interested to see if NZ can manage it.

I expect SA will follow sooner or later because of the number of exposures coming through from truck drivers. Testing etc works with low numbers but not when you start getting repeated entries (as when overseas outbreaks get worse we get more quarantine leaks only now they’re internal leaks).

We’re having a lot of exposure on freight routes.  The worry is an outbreak in one of these areas with poor medical facilities.

 

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1 new case for QLD infectious in the community for 5 days - another truck driver who is now back in NSW.

A school on the Gold Coast has been closed for the day after children were heard telling other kids they’d been on holiday in Victoria.  Apparently they were meant to be in quarantine but not cooperating.

AMA have warned that the country’s hospital systems won’t cope under eased restrictions.

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1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I’m not sure.  Coronacast mentions inner city housing and I’m sure delta infectiousness plays a role plus quarantine fatigue. There’s also multiple plus probably repeat seedings from NSW. I’m interested to see if NZ can manage it.

I expect SA will follow sooner or later because of the number of exposures coming through from truck drivers. Testing etc works with low numbers but not when you start getting repeated entries (as when overseas outbreaks get worse we get more quarantine leaks only now they’re internal leaks).

We’re having a lot of exposure on freight routes.  The worry is an outbreak in one of these areas with poor medical facilities.

 

I don’t know why I typed inner city.  I meant to say shared inter generational housing.  

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Got my flu shot this morning.  While I was there, I asked the pharmacist how long I had to wait before possibly getting a Covid vaccine booster.  He told me that CDC guidance is now that there doesn't have to be any wait time at all between the Covid vaccines and other vaccines.  He told me that the rationale was that there have been no interactions reported with other vaccines.  (I personally would still want to space things out).  But this explains why a friend and his wife who got their Covid vaccines the other day (a chiropractor, btw) were offered the Covid vaccine and the shingles vaccine at the same time.  He too is spacing things out. 

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1 hour ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Got my flu shot this morning.  While I was there, I asked the pharmacist how long I had to wait before possibly getting a Covid vaccine booster.  He told me that CDC guidance is now that there doesn't have to be any wait time at all between the Covid vaccines and other vaccines.  He told me that the rationale was that there have been no interactions reported with other vaccines.  (I personally would still want to space things out).  But this explains why a friend and his wife who got their Covid vaccines the other day (a chiropractor, btw) were offered the Covid vaccine and the shingles vaccine at the same time.  He too is spacing things out. 

I've heard that the shingles vaccine often has side effects. I think I'd space that one out too, lol, though if I were several days post-Covid shot and feeling fine, that's all I'd wait, not weeks or months.

It's nice to hear of a chiropractor that will vaccinate. Not common here. 

I was offered a flu shot the other day, but DH wants me to wait until we see flu starting to get geographically closer. We tend to have virtually no flu until late November/December, but we sometimes have people getting it quite late in the spring or early summer. I told him he better watch closely this year in case all the people sick with Covid spread it more this year.

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2 minutes ago, kbutton said:

I've heard that the shingles vaccine often has side effects. I think I'd space that one out too, lol, though if I were several days post-Covid shot and feeling fine, that's all I'd wait, not weeks or months.

It's nice to hear of a chiropractor that will vaccinate. Not common here. 

I was offered a flu shot the other day, but DH wants me to wait until we see flu starting to get geographically closer. We tend to have virtually no flu until late November/December, but we sometimes have people getting it quite late in the spring or early summer. I told him he better watch closely this year in case all the people sick with Covid spread it more this year.

All HCWs (including chiropractors) are required to vaccinate here.  But  he and his wife (who is not required to vaccinate but still got vaccinated) were already planning on getting one.  But both chiropractors I've gone to are not into the woo (sorry, my opinion) that other chiropractors can be into, though both are very holistic in their approaches/opinions.  (But it's illegal here for chiropractors to do more than what they are actually licensed to do- which is to adjust your spine.)

Local health officials are pushing flu shots here.  They are really scared of having people with both Covid and flu clogging up the hospitals.  Since it takes a couple of weeks for the flu shot to be effective, I wanted to get it now. 

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2 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

All HCWs (including chiropractors) are required to vaccinate here.  But  he and his wife (who is not required to vaccinate but still got vaccinated) were already planning on getting one.  But both chiropractors I've gone to are not into the woo (sorry, my opinion) that other chiropractors can be into, though both are very holistic in their approaches/opinions.  (But it's illegal here for chiropractors to do more than what they are actually licensed to do- which is to adjust your spine.)

Local health officials are pushing flu shots here.  They are really scared of having people with both Covid and flu clogging up the hospitals.  Since it takes a couple of weeks for the flu shot to be effective, I wanted to get it now. 

That is refreshing! Here I know of a chiro that told someone that they could use lemongrass oil to heal a hernia, instead of surgery. (it was on facebook, saw the comment myself. Immediately unfollowed her page!)

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2 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Not Coronavirus related but because of the exchange that kbutton and I were having on the flu shots:

https://www.everydayhealth.com/flu/map/

My zip code shows a "moderate" risk for flu already. 

I didn't even know that flu shots were available yet. I've always gotten one (when I've gotten one) on the late side (October-November) because it seems like flu tends to peak Feb-March where I am. I was hoping to get one in a drive through clinic this year, but I don't know when they will start those. Though honestly, I think it would be hard for me to catch the flu given our current covid avoidance strategies--it's not nearly as contagious as Covid.

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16 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

All HCWs (including chiropractors) are required to vaccinate here.  But  he and his wife (who is not required to vaccinate but still got vaccinated) were already planning on getting one.  But both chiropractors I've gone to are not into the woo (sorry, my opinion) that other chiropractors can be into, though both are very holistic in their approaches/opinions.  (But it's illegal here for chiropractors to do more than what they are actually licensed to do- which is to adjust your spine.)

That sounds awesome!

14 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Not Coronavirus related but because of the exchange that kbutton and I were having on the flu shots:

https://www.everydayhealth.com/flu/map/

My zip code shows a "moderate" risk for flu already. 

We have a high risk in the next county and a couple of moderate risk counties nearby, but their methodology is interesting (like using social media posts about flu). It wouldn't surprise me if the county near me that is high is due to people talking about conspiracy theories on SM, searches on flu that are for conspiracy theories, plus big healthcare systems talking about flu shots on SM, lol! I don't know that for sure, but people here are really dis-informed all over SM and the internet. 

We have single digit flu reports around here until very late most years. It seems like the holidays are our big kickoff, and even then, usually Christmas/New Year's Eve vs. Thanksgiving.

DH is not seeing it at work. 

I will try to keep watching though! I don't want to be part of a twindemic as they say it could be with flu and Covid this year.

https://odh.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odh/know-our-programs/seasonal-influenza/ohio-flu-activity 

 

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3 minutes ago, kbutton said:

That sounds awesome!

We have a high risk in the next county and a couple of moderate risk counties nearby, but their methodology is interesting (like using social media posts about flu). It wouldn't surprise me if the county near me that is high is due to people talking about conspiracy theories on SM, searches on flu that are for conspiracy theories, plus big healthcare systems talking about flu shots on SM, lol! I don't know that for sure, but people here are really dis-informed all over SM and the internet. 

We have single digit flu reports around here until very late most years. It seems like the holidays are our big

kickoff, and even then, usually Christmas/New Year's Eve vs. Thanksgiving.

DH is not seeing it at work. 

I will try to keep watching though! I don't want to be part of a twindemic as they say it could be with flu and Covid this year.

https://odh.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odh/know-our-programs/seasonal-influenza/ohio-flu-activity

 

I guess this would be a better way to see local flu rates.  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

This one shows minimal flu risk my area so you are probably right about the SM activity skewing results.  I got my flu shot in September last year as well due to Covid risks. 

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18 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

I guess this would be a better way to see local flu rates.  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

This one shows minimal flu risk my area so you are probably right about the SM activity skewing results.  I got my flu shot in September last year as well due to Covid risks. 

Thank you! I'm already at moderate, so next time I am in a place with shots i'll likely get one. 

The kids didn't last year, as those can only be done at the pediatrician's office, and taking well kids who don't go anywhere or see anyone into a place full of germs seemed counterproductive, lol. we shall see what we do this year. 

I SO wish kids could get flu shots at say, Target or other pharmacies in my state!

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5 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Thank you! I'm already at moderate, so next time I am in a place with shots i'll likely get one. 

The kids didn't last year, as those can only be done at the pediatrician's office, and taking well kids who don't go anywhere or see anyone into a place full of germs seemed counterproductive, lol. we shall see what we do this year. 

I SO wish kids could get flu shots at say, Target or other pharmacies in my state!

Our local pharmacy gives flu shots to people 3 years and up. 

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3 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Our local pharmacy gives flu shots to people 3 years and up. 

From what I understand it varies by state. Ours it is 18 and up, I believe. 

edit: Looks like we COULD have gotten them last year, as there was an emergency plan put in place due to Covid that allowed pharmacies to do it in 3 and up..but it expired in June. 

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23 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

What do you all make of this guy?  He posts a lot about long Covid and super antigens etc. however I can’t get my head around exactly what that means.  A lot of what he shares/posts is kind of worrying but I don’t know how seriously to take it. 

The information in that letter is accurate; studies have not only found continuing neurological symptoms but actual physical brain differences in some post-covid patients. I know there was one study in particular where they looked at covid patients who had previously had brain scans for other reasons, and they were able to compare the physical brain structures before and after covid, as well as compare them to matched controls. Some of the damaged areas looked very much like what they see in Alzheimers patients. 

However, I believe all the studies so far have been in older patients; I don't know of any study indicating that this is potentially a serious problem in children, so that part is speculation. It might not be an issue at all in kids, or it might turn out to be a ticking time bomb that we'll only learn about many years from now. I understand that many people feel that another year of all-virtual learning is not viable, but I think that anyone, whether a school board member or a governor or just an angry ignorant parent, who actively tries to prevent the implementation of mitigation measures like masking, distancing, testing/tracing, quarantine, and the provision of virtual options for those who want them, is an evil SOB and I hope karma bites them really really hard.

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3 hours ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

I guess this would be a better way to see local flu rates.  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

This one shows minimal flu risk my area so you are probably right about the SM activity skewing results.  I got my flu shot in September last year as well due to Covid risks. 

We were early last year, but it's because we heard there might be shortages of the flu vaccine.

DH's pet peeve at his old job is that they required them to get the shot at work, but at work, they gave the trivalent instead of the quadrivalent, and they gave it way too early for our area. I had to hear this every year, lol! Not sure what the new job does about this. 

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2 hours ago, ktgrok said:

Thank you! I'm already at moderate, so next time I am in a place with shots i'll likely get one. 

The kids didn't last year, as those can only be done at the pediatrician's office, and taking well kids who don't go anywhere or see anyone into a place full of germs seemed counterproductive, lol. we shall see what we do this year. 

I SO wish kids could get flu shots at say, Target or other pharmacies in my state!

Little Clinic does vaccines for kids--they might be limited by who is on duty or by some age groups, but my kids have been getting shots there for years. They also are better at giving shots than most pharmacy employees (in my experience). 

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3 hours ago, ktgrok said:

Thank you! I'm already at moderate, so next time I am in a place with shots i'll likely get one. 

The kids didn't last year, as those can only be done at the pediatrician's office, and taking well kids who don't go anywhere or see anyone into a place full of germs seemed counterproductive, lol. we shall see what we do this year. 

I SO wish kids could get flu shots at say, Target or other pharmacies in my state!

Last year my son's doctor's office did drive-up flu shots (by appointment). My son has autism and cognitive delays and it was the most wonderful thing for him. We were also able to arrange to have both of his covid shots (last spring) while still in the car. His doctor said their office will probably do flu shots that way again this year, but that they will do drive-up for him no matter what. I have decided that he will have all shots this way for the rest of his life 🙂

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17 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I cannot access the link. Paywall I guess

Ugh. I was hoping they would let this one be a freeby. It’s so much info and graphs and such, it’s not possible to pull out a succinct quote. 

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24 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Numbers from NSW are not good at all 1431 new cases, 12 deaths close to 1000 in hospital

The numbers are just going to get higher and higher. I've given up on checking them each day. I know what happened in the UK last year, so I know where we're headed, and it's no place good. So I try not to think about it. 

We'll be reaching a point soon where they won't announce daily numbers. They've already pretty much ditched contract tracing. 

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Down to 28 cases today.  So something like 65, 84,87,49,48,72,49,28 for the daily numbers for the last week. Of the 49 yesterday, 50% were family members (most of whom are in MIQ or completely self isolating and having food brought to them), and 30% were known close contacts in isolation. So we are only really tracking 10 people in the community. Crossing fingers that Auckland can maintain the course. 

Also, for a country that has never had masks (we eliminated back before masks were a thing), my city (which has no community cases) has had about 95% mask wearing. I would say 1 in 20 or even 1 in 50 are not wearing them in the city. And this is just a 'please do' and not a mandate. So lots of compliance here. 

I will also have a shout out to the Pacifica community who has borne the brunt of this outbreak. The Auckland Pacifica Assembly of God Church has done an amazing job getting everyone tested and isolated. Without their help and compliance, there would be no way to beat this thing. 

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2 hours ago, popmom said:

Ugh. I was hoping they would let this one be a freeby. It’s so much info and graphs and such, it’s not possible to pull out a succinct quote. 

I was able to view it, I think, just as a registered guest with an email.  Overall, it is estimating that excess deaths since the beginning of COVID worldwide are probably about 3 times higher than the reported COVID deaths.  The disparity between reported COVID deaths and estimated excess deaths per country is really interesting.  

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3 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I cannot access the link. Paywall I guess

The Economist allowed me to register without payment. I don't know if there's a limit on the number of articles per month or if they are releasing their Covid stuff more widely. 

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Some good news - UK are sending us 4,000,000 doses of pfizer - this should be a really good boost to the rollout.

I haven’t had a chance to check numbers much today - thanks to those who updated.  Sadly the death rates now like reflect cases from a couple of weeks ago so it’s not going to be good soon. 
 

Most epi people seem to agree that 70% is the wrong figure to aim for and will likely result in people being unable to access emergency for non Covid stuff.  I hope the government changes direction soon.

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5 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I cannot access the link. Paywall I guess

This shows their estimate of excess deaths (which would include deaths that were indirectly caused by covid, such as overwhelmed hospitals, reluctance to seek medical help, postponed treatments, etc.). Their models show that the true toll is likely between 9 & 18 million, with their "best guess" estimate around 15 million. They estimate that US excess deaths are between 760K & 830K (the official count is ~640) and suggest that covid deaths in Africa and Asia (particularly China & India) are vastly underreported, but that counts for the EU are fairly accurate. Their estimates for Russia are roughly triple what they are reporting officially.

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1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Most epi people seem to agree that 70% is the wrong figure to aim for and will likely result in people being unable to access emergency for non Covid stuff.  I hope the government changes direction soon.

Well, NSW is at 70% now and we're still locked down. I honestly think half the numbers they're throwing around are made up to placate people (just a bit longer . . . just a bit longer) because case numbers are rising, not falling. I wish they'd give us a sense of when we can expect numbers to fall, and whether vaccination rates will see a proper drop in numbers at any point. Is there anywhere that says how many vaccinated vs unvaccinated are falling ill or hospitalised in NSW?

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1 hour ago, bookbard said:

Well, NSW is at 70% now and we're still locked down. I honestly think half the numbers they're throwing around are made up to placate people (just a bit longer . . . just a bit longer) because case numbers are rising, not falling. I wish they'd give us a sense of when we can expect numbers to fall, and whether vaccination rates will see a proper drop in numbers at any point. Is there anywhere that says how many vaccinated vs unvaccinated are falling ill or hospitalised in NSW?

Isn’t that only first dose though?

I think from what we’ve seen in Israel etc that without restrictions even high rates of vaccination plus delta see rising cases.  The drop in cases in Israel was with masking and restrictions in place.  Norman Swan helpfully pointed out in today’s podcast that healthcare and border workers who were the first vaccinated in March are probably due for boosters about now.  😬. If 70pc vaccination of eligible would achieve falling vax rates it’s going to be 2 weeks after the second dose so about a month from now.  Most epidemiologists are saying that’s not enough at all it’s more like 80 or even 90 pc and if that’s not evenly spread through the population it still may not work because you might have pockets where it sweeps through pushing up numbers.

I’m sorry if that is not a positive answer but in terms of the information we have right now that’s how it looks to me.  

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1 hour ago, bookbard said:

Well, NSW is at 70% now and we're still locked down. I honestly think half the numbers they're throwing around are made up to placate people (just a bit longer . . . just a bit longer) because case numbers are rising, not falling. I wish they'd give us a sense of when we can expect numbers to fall, and whether vaccination rates will see a proper drop in numbers at any point. Is there anywhere that says how many vaccinated vs unvaccinated are falling ill or hospitalised in NSW?

70 percent of population or 70 percent of adults, or other?

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23 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Isn’t that only first dose though?

 

Oh yeah, good point.

 

6 minutes ago, Laura Corin said:

70 percent of population or 70 percent of adults, or other?

Over age 16. They're starting 12-15yr olds this month I believe. My kids are younger though. 

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7 hours ago, calbear said:

For those thinking about timing the flu vax, it take two weeks for you to build up your antibodies, then you get about 2 months of peak levels because it starts to wane.

 

The flu vax only lasts for two months?!

That's -- I'm not sure I can credit getting the vax for not getting the flu given this. No wonder so many have the flu after the vax -- the vax does not last very long at all.

 

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16 minutes ago, vonfirmath said:

The flu vax only lasts for two months?!

That's -- I'm not sure I can credit getting the vax for not getting the flu given this. No wonder so many have the flu after the vax -- the vax does not last very long at all.

 

I don't think it's entirely accurate to say this.  Flu mutates quickly.  So it is possible that it's not the best match by the end of flu season.  And antibodies wane.  But they wane slowly over time.  Most sources say protection is good for 6 months.  Obviously this can vary by strains, personal immune system health, etc.  We try to time ours for late October/early November time frame.  

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-long-does-the-flu-shot-last

We have had the flu several years here (verified, tested, did theraflu once - did nothing) years we weren't on top of it.  And have never gotten it when we have gotten the flu shot.  My kids have always done germy activities.  Dance or gymnastics with younger kids is the worst!  I highly doubt that is coincidence.  

There are those that would probably benefit from a flu booster.  I know they have a stronger dosing option for older people available some places.  And I do think especially for some people getting it super early isn't the best.

Even if you develop the flu after the vaccine, you are less likely to be very sick or hospitalized.  One time over the holidays the kids and I had the flu.  Full week+ high fever, it was typically awful. Touch and go a couple nights on kid's fevers.  My husband did have the flu shot and he got it.  But was done in like 2 days, just low grade fever, tired, not a huge deal.  

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