Jump to content

Menu

wuhan - coronavirus


gardenmom5

Recommended Posts

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-17/pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-herd-immunity-delta-covid-evolution/100366038
 

@TCB

There are some stats in here on Australia, ICUs and vaccination 

“Current numbers from NSW show of the 66 people in ICU, 59 are not vaccinated and seven have had one dose. No one currently in ICU or requiring ventilation has been fully vaccinated.“

I still haven’t seen anything on cases overall. It’s possible that data hasn’t been collected though it really should be.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Vic chief health person ( cannot remember his correct title) professor Sutton just announced there has been a transmission at an outside playground in Melbourne. 


 There has also been transmission with friends walking outside together ( presumably during the hour of excercise that they are allowed outside)

 

  • Sad 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Melissa in Australia said:

The Vic chief health person ( cannot remember his correct title) professor Sutton just announced there has been a transmission at an outside playground in Melbourne. 


 There has also been transmission with friends walking outside together ( presumably during the hour of excercise that they are allowed outside)

 

Oh, that's not good.

Any info on whether the friends were masked? 

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Melissa Louise said:

Oh, that's not good.

Any info on whether the friends were masked? 

They didn’t say. Yesterday Melbourne lockdown was made way more locked down. All playgrounds are closed and you can only exercise with one person from your place of residence. You cannot meet up with someone while out . People cannot leave home to go to work unless they have a permit. On the weekend apparently lots of people decided to have large picnics at playgrounds and parks pretending they were doing exercise .

 Basically we were told that Vic is on the tipping point of it getting out of hand. That there has to be way way less movement or we will be back to last year.

  • Sad 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Melissa in Australia said:

They didn’t say. Yesterday Melbourne lockdown was made way more locked down. All playgrounds are closed and you can only exercise with one person from your place of residence. You cannot meet up with someone while out . People cannot leave home to go to work unless they have a permit. On the weekend apparently lots of people decided to have large picnics at playgrounds and parks pretending they were doing exercise .

 Basically we were told that Vic is on the tipping point of it getting out of hand. That there has to be way way less movement or we will be back to last year.

Yes, I saw the footage of the engagement party and the pub crawl 🙁

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Melissa in Australia said:

The news is reporting a case in the community in New Zealander 

Yup. In Auckland. I just got my first shot ten minutes ago and am waiting in the doctor's office. The government warned they will lock down hard and fast and I'm supposed to go to a funeral in Auckland on Friday. So that might be off. We will see. 

 

  • Like 2
  • Sad 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Yup. In Auckland. I just got my first shot ten minutes ago and am waiting in the doctor's office. The government warned they will lock down hard and fast and I'm supposed to go to a funeral in Auckland on Friday. So that might be off. We will see. 

 

Have to say I cried when I saw the headline

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Have to say I cried when I saw the headline

Aw. That is really sweet of you to think of us. Our government has learned from NSW. They will lock down hard and fast. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

No delay here..... It hit the news at 3pm our time. Here is the timeline....

Political editors have just had a briefing on the situation from the Prime Minister's Office.
 
Health officials were alerted to the case just after 1pm. At 2pm there was a call with Auckland Regional Public Health's incident management team. At 3pm there will be an all-of-government response team meeting - that will take in police as well as health.
 
Cabinet ministers are currently being briefed on the situation.
 
At 4.30pm there will be an officials briefing to senior ministers. There will then be another Cabinet meeting to decide on next steps. There will likely be a press conference at around 6pm to discuss the results of that meeting - although that time could change.
 
The Prime Minister is on her way back to Wellington from Auckland. Covid-19 response minister Chris Hipkins is also on his way to Wellington, he was also in Auckland.
 

 

 

 

Edited by lewelma
  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I would be very tempted

My husband got an email half an hour ago to make sure he has his computer and all cables he needs to work from home. We do live an 8 hour drive from Auckland, and they have only found one case, and that was 2 hours ago.

I feel very lucky to live in a country where I can trust the government to put its people first and trust most other kiwis to do the right thing. Reading on this board for the previous year has made me very aware and very grateful for what I have. 

  • Like 13
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Melissa Louise said:

RBA has just announced they are working on the assumption lockdown here won't be over till mid-November!

Oh wow! That is a very long time.

Edited by lewelma
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

126 days not that I've counted or anything. 

I hope you are able to attend the funeral on Friday. 

126 days. This was NZ's nightmare scenario last March. They actually commissioned a report last March that did the economic numbers for lockdowns of that length, and they were worse than the great depression. I am really really sorry you guys are going through this. 

As for the funeral, my husband and neighbour each got their vaccine a month ago so they will be working, but mine is too fresh (3 hours ago). So they might have to go without me if Auckland is not in lockdown. My guess is that Auckland will be locked down for 3 days to give them time to figure out what is going on. They have done that before. We will know in 30 minutes. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Holy crap. The entire country is locking down in our strictest level for three days. Auckland for seven days. ALL people are to stay home. 

Just looked up what your level 4 is,

 very similar to Victoria level 4. Melbourne has been at that level for a few weeks and is (words of premier) running beside but not getting ahead of  delta .

Edited by Melissa in Australia
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Just looked up what your level 4 is,

 very similar to Victoria level 4. Melbourne has been at that level for a few weeks and is (words of premier) running beside but not getting ahead of  delta .

Level 4 is 

All schools closed. All daycare closed.

All businesses closed

No driving allowed except to grocery store

All stores closed, all restaurants closed (including take aways/carry out),

All internet shopping closed

The ports are closed

The airports and ferries are closed. No buses running

No tradies can work. No construction, no plumbing, no sparkies.

Masks required when outside.

No surfing, no tramping, no swimming, 

The beaches are closed.

Exercise for 1 hour outside, but within 5 km.

Homeless go into hotels.

Bubbles are to one family unit.

Grocery stores, chemists, and hospital are open. Only 1 person can shop.

Wage subsides are in effect. 

People have 48 hours to get to the place they will stay. Which tells me that it is going to be longer than 3 days. 

Stay at home order comes into effect tonight at midnight.

 

 

 

Edited by lewelma
  • Like 9
Link to comment
Share on other sites

We've had a moron drive 2 hours from Melbourne to our town to visit a relative in the nursing home, apparently not knowing this was a naughty thing to do, so now the poor, old dear is in isolation for two weeks. 

There's been a lot of people from Melbourne visiting nearby towns while they're not meant to be more than 5km from home.

New Zealanders are such sensible people...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, Rosie_0801 said:

We've had a moron drive 2 hours from Melbourne to our town to visit a relative in the nursing home, apparently not knowing this was a naughty thing to do, so now the poor, old dear is in isolation for two weeks. 

There's been a lot of people from Melbourne visiting nearby towns while they're not meant to be more than 5km from home.

New Zealanders are such sensible people...

Sigh. Don't you hate people who are selfish! Here, there is no reason to be on a motorway as all neighbourhoods have a grocery store. So the police will stop all cars they find trying to head out of town, or even within the town.  You wouldn't be able to get far. 

The media at the press conference were asking Jacinda if the lock down was long enough (and we are talking about closing down the entire country over ONE case -- and all waste water clear in all cities). People here are willing to do what is required. There is a LOT of support for this move. 

However, there is a run on toilet paper tonight.  So good thing I planned ahead last week! 🙂

 

Edited by lewelma
  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On the no trade work thing during lockdown - is there an exception for emergencies? Like, if someone's plumbing springs a leak and is flooding the house or whatever?

Also, what is a sparkie? Not sure if that is welder or electrician or?

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, ktgrok said:

On the no trade work thing during lockdown - is there an exception for emergencies? Like, if someone's plumbing springs a leak and is flooding the house or whatever?

Also, what is a sparkie? Not sure if that is welder or electrician or?

A sparkie is an electrician.

I'm sure there is an exception for emergencies. But they aren't mentioning it. I did know people last year in April whose frig died during level 4 lockdown and they had to use a chilli bin with ice for a few weeks. We are very serious about lockdowns here. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Also, they opposition leader was apparently 'fulsome' over the decision. I had to go look that word up. LOL. There is agreement here from both sides of the aisle that elimination is our strategy and we are sticking to it. As the minister of finance said last night 'as strong health response is a strong economic response'. Our economy is going great guns even without the tourists. 

Edited by lewelma
  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

44 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Also, they opposition leader was apparently 'fulsome' over the decision. I had to go look that word up. LOL. There is agreement here from both sides of the aisle that elimination is our strategy and we are sticking to it. As the minister of finance said last night 'as strong health response is a strong economic response'. Our economy is going great guns even without the tourists. 

I agree with this, but man, I feel really sorry for anyone whose power goes out or whose major appliance (like refrigerator) dies, or who has a plumbing leak or other major disaster.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Terabith said:

I agree with this, but man, I feel really sorry for anyone whose power goes out or whose major appliance (like refrigerator) dies, or who has a plumbing leak or other major disaster.

The problem is that we want everyone to stay home, not just the middle class and rich people. We don't want people delivering food to your door, or loading trucks from the port, or driving a bus, or actually being in your house providing a service. Everyone needs to stay home. So if there is an emergency, call the fire department, but otherwise do some kiwi ingenuity and make do. These are first world problems.

The mood here is good. It my block of flats, people have offered to shop for others and put extra masks out. We have been brainstorming how to get one of our residents back to Wellington because he took a train and then a bus to the ski field and now both are cancelled for a return trip. We are all looking out for each other. So far, even the South Islanders are saying 'we are in this together' even though they have the Cook Straight and and 8 hour drive between them and the 5 cases. That plus all flights and ferries are now closed so no one can travel there anyway. There is trust here that we can do this again. There is simply no bitching in the news. We have all seen NSW, and just don't want to be in their situation. Go hard. Go early.

Edited by lewelma
  • Like 18
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

I'm glad we can at least be an object lesson. Something good out of the debacle.

Sorry, but yes. Ardern brought up that we are basically the last country to see the Delta variant in our community so we have been learning from others as they have struggled with community spread. 

We do know how to manage delta in MIQ as we currently have 40 cases throughout the country in the different MIQ facilities. For the past 6 weeks, all cases but 1 have been delta, so we have managed about 120 cases without spreading outside the facilities. But they knew and warned us, that it would happen eventually.

Edited by lewelma
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

New Zealand has 4 cases today. One was working in a hospital. It has been confirmed to be the Delta strain

Yup. All 4 are genomically linked to the first guy. My guess is the numbers the government considered went something like this: Since they can't link the first case to the border yet, he is probably the second generation.  So the first generation spread it to 6 people, and this guy is 1 of those 6. He spreads it to 6 people as did the other 5, so we are now looking for 36 people.  If they had not locked down hard and fast, those 6 people in 5 days would have spread it to 6 more each. And we are at 216. So by going into this hard lockdown for 3 days (maybe more) they will stop the transmission at 36 people, and will have a chance to find them all. Waste water was clear last Thursday, so we are talking 2 generations and not more. 

Exponential growth is a bitch.

 

Edited by lewelma
  • Like 11
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Yup. All 4 are genomically linked to the first guy. My guess is the numbers the government considered went something like this: Since they can't link the first case to the border yet, he is probably the second generation.  So the first generation spread it to 6 people, and this guy is 1 of those 6. He spreads it to 6 people as did the other 5, so we are now looking for 36 people.  If they had not locked down hard and fast, those 6 people in 5 days would have spread it to 6 more each. And we are at 216. So by going into this hard lockdown for 3 days (maybe more) they will stop the transmission at 36 people, and will have a chance to find them all.  Exponential growth is a bitch.

Are they moving active cases and contacts into managed quarantine?  That seems to have helped here.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, lewelma said:

The problem is that we want everyone to stay home, not just the middle class and rich people. We don't want people delivering food to your door, or loading trucks from the port, or driving a bus, or actually being in your house providing a service. Everyone needs to stay home. So if there is an emergency, call the fire department, but otherwise do some kiwi ingenuity and make do. These are first world problems.

The mood here is good. It my block of flats, people have offered to shop for others and put extra masks out. We have been brainstorming how to get one of our residents back to Wellington because he took a train and then a bus to the ski field and now both are cancelled for a return trip. We are all looking out for each other. So far, even the South Islanders are saying 'we are in this together' even though they have the Cook Straight and and 8 hour drive between them and the 5 cases. That plus all flights and ferries are now closed so no one can travel there anyway. There is trust here that we can do this again. There is simply no bitching in the news. We have all seen NSW, and just don't want to be in their situation. Go hard. Go early.

Oh yeah.  I totally AGREE with it.  I just think that would be a sucky situation.  But y'all are definitely, 100% doing the right thing!

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I've just managed to get bookings for vaccinations for both DD and DS. Only just heard about how to do it on news, wasn't open till 9am but just decided to try early - and was able to book for this Sunday. I feel beyond grateful, and it turned out, like most humans, ethics didn't come into it. It wasn't as if I could direct their doses back to COVAX or Poland. 

Fingers crossed it all goes ahead smoothly. I'll be on tenterhooks till that jab is in their arms. 

Only Melbourne DD to sort out now. 

  • Like 11
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, lewelma said:

The problem is that we want everyone to stay home, not just the middle class and rich people. We don't want people delivering food to your door, or loading trucks from the port, or driving a bus, or actually being in your house providing a service. Everyone needs to stay home. So if there is an emergency, call the fire department, but otherwise do some kiwi ingenuity and make do. These are first world problems.

The mood here is good. It my block of flats, people have offered to shop for others and put extra masks out. We have been brainstorming how to get one of our residents back to Wellington because he took a train and then a bus to the ski field and now both are cancelled for a return trip. We are all looking out for each other. So far, even the South Islanders are saying 'we are in this together' even though they have the Cook Straight and and 8 hour drive between them and the 5 cases. That plus all flights and ferries are now closed so no one can travel there anyway. There is trust here that we can do this again. There is simply no bitching in the news. We have all seen NSW, and just don't want to be in their situation. Go hard. Go early.

Oh yeah.  I mean, I was thinking the house is flooding and can't get the water shut off, or sewage back up, health stuff. Otherwise, yeah. 

And truly am envious. This is what we should have done, and could have done, and now we have so many dead or ill. Ugh. I want to be a Kiwi when I grow up. 

57 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Yup. All 4 are genomically linked to the first guy. My guess is the numbers the government considered went something like this: Since they can't link the first case to the border yet, he is probably the second generation.  So the first generation spread it to 6 people, and this guy is 1 of those 6. He spreads it to 6 people as did the other 5, so we are now looking for 36 people.  If they had not locked down hard and fast, those 6 people in 5 days would have spread it to 6 more each. And we are at 216. So by going into this hard lockdown for 3 days (maybe more) they will stop the transmission at 36 people, and will have a chance to find them all. Waste water was clear last Thursday, so we are talking 2 generations and not more. 

Exponential growth is a bitch.

 

What is astounding is not that your government could figure this out, as it seems obvious. but that they gave a flying fig and did the math and made a decision based on it, rather than throwing up their hands and saying, "well...that would be hard, so I guess it is impossible...we will just let people die."

So jealous. 

  • Like 17
Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Oh yeah.  but that they gave a flying fig and did the math and made a decision based on it, rather than throwing up their hands and saying, "well...that would be hard, so I guess it is impossible...we will just let people die."

There is also a zero tolerance policy to misinformation, both from the government and the press.  Here is our main NZ news website showcasing how misinformation is bad. 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126107665/covid19-conspiracy-theorists-stop-for-no-pandemic

Just like yelling 'fire' in a crowded movie theater, peddling misinformation on covid is illegal here, whether you are a politician, a newspaper, or a radio jocky. We are all doing our part to dob it in. My dh has been taking photos around town of anti-vax graffiti and sending it in to the graffiti squad to paint over. They usually get it done within 24 hours.

Edited by lewelma
  • Like 14
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Is it an older case then?  I thought the flights had been stopped for a while?

Flights from all the other states were still allowed. (But with testing first (and after for Victoria)). My guess is a traveller from NSW to another Australian state to NZ. But the modellers have put out similar info that I hypothesized above. 2nd generation would be about 50  cases expected, if third generation then up to 120 cases. Waste water was clear one week ago. 

Edited by lewelma
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Flights from all the other states were still allowed. (But with testing first (and after for Victoria)). My guess is a traveller from NSW to another Australian state to NZ. But the modellers have put out similar info that I hypothesized above. 2nd generation would be about 50  cases expected, if third generation then up to 120 cases. Waste water was clear one week ago. 

Seems to be a good indicator.  They had waste water detection in Broken Hill (NSW/SA border bubble town) a couple of days ago and then detected a case today or yesterday.

I thought the travel bubble was fully closed didn’t realise there was still transit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...