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43 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

My logic brain has reasserted itself in favour of AZ for young adults. 

But man, I am struggling with this lockdown! I did a 5 week one last year, and was absurdly fine, but this one I'm feeling very nervy. 

Yeah looking at the stats for hospitalised 20 year olds makes me tend to agree.  Seems like there’s either a lot of undetected infection or Delta is significantly worse for this age group than previous variants.

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46 minutes ago, Melissa Louise said:

My logic brain has reasserted itself in favour of AZ for young adults. 

But man, I am struggling with this lockdown! I did a 5 week one last year, and was absurdly fine, but this one I'm feeling very nervy. 

Only a week here but this one has me way crankier.  I think in part it’s the unpredictability.  Last time I was ready to bunker down for the long haul, whereas now you never know if it’s three days or three months or when the next ones coming. Definitely feeling for you all there in NSW.

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1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Only a week here but this one has me way crankier.  I think in part it’s the unpredictability.  Last time I was ready to bunker down for the long haul, whereas now you never know if it’s three days or three months or when the next ones coming. Definitely feeling for you all there in NSW.

I feel super restless. Strangely I just wanna go out and go to a party - I do not normally seek out parties!

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5 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

My logic brain has reasserted itself in favour of AZ for young adults. 

 

my  brother aged 45 had his second dose of Astra Zeneca on Friday. 

 today he spend most of the day in emergency. They are checking for blood clots. 😞  he has the most  painful and strangest headache he has ever had. Half of his face is in complete agony, but only every time his heart beats 😞 

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https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/06/covid-19-vaccination-weighing-up-the-potential-benefits-against-risk-of-harm-from-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca_1.pdf
 

More stats for the AZ decision.  This doesn’t really look like it’s good for those under 40 unless delta is more harmful to that demographic or NSW are planning to let it go and not try to control the virus. Even with a Victoria level last year outbreak it just doesn’t add up.

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3 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

my  brother aged 45 had his second dose of Astra Zeneca on Friday. 

 today he spend most of the day in emergency. They are checking for blood clots. 😞  he has the most  painful and strangest headache he has ever had. Half of his face is in complete agony, but only every time his heart beats 😞 

Ugh!  Huge thoughts with you guys and hope it is not blood clotting at all.

My mil did have an awful headache for a couple of weeks after hers but she is really prone to weird symptoms as well.

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35 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

my  brother aged 45 had his second dose of Astra Zeneca on Friday. 

 today he spend most of the day in emergency. They are checking for blood clots. 😞  he has the most  painful and strangest headache he has ever had. Half of his face is in complete agony, but only every time his heart beats 😞 

Hope he will be ok. 

Sending good thoughts. 

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3 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

my  brother aged 45 had his second dose of Astra Zeneca on Friday. 

 today he spend most of the day in emergency. They are checking for blood clots. 😞  he has the most  painful and strangest headache he has ever had. Half of his face is in complete agony, but only every time his heart beats 😞 

Praying he has some weird migraine and not a clot, and that no matter what it is they can treat him well and get him better fast. 

 

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8 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

my  brother aged 45 had his second dose of Astra Zeneca on Friday. 

 today he spend most of the day in emergency. They are checking for blood clots. 😞  he has the most  painful and strangest headache he has ever had. Half of his face is in complete agony, but only every time his heart beats 😞 

I hope it isn't clots, but something like the migraine I had. 🤞

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Here's the latest travel information for Israelis and those who wish to go to Israel from the UK.

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE UK STARTING THIS FRIDAY JULY 30

 

After meeting with health ministry officials to get answers to questions we have been receiving, the following information will answer most of your questions:

 

1)On July 30th at 12am the UK will become a country of highest risk – Israelis will be barred from traveling there until this changes, and foreigners will be are barred from entering Israel. 

 

2)REALLY IMPORTANT: If you currently have a permit for a flight on July 30 or after July 30 (or if you receive one in the coming days) those permits will be nullified on July 30 and you will not be permitted to board a flight to Israel on or after July 30. Approvals received prior to July 30 will only be allowed for flights before July 30. 

 

3)Once the UK becomes a country of highest risk on July 30, Israelis who were already in the UK from beforehand will be allowed to return to Israel but will be required to isolate even if they are recovered or vaccinated. 

 

4)That isolation is officially for 14 days – it can be shortened by receiving negative results for PCR tests in Israel, one upon entering isolation (at airport in this case) and the second on the 7th day. 

 

5)Israeli travellers at this stage will not be required to enter an isolation hotel. (Foreign travellers who get permission to enter from the exceptions committee will be required to go to a quarantine hotel.)

 

6)Those with student visas or other A and B class visas would require special permission to enter Israel from the exceptions committee 

Approvals will rarely be granted, especially for those with student visas. 

 

7)Exceptions for foreigners to enter Israel will be rare - entry will be severely restricted. Those who want to apply for an exception can use the same links that are being used now to gain approval.  

 

8)Israelis can ask for permission to travel to the UK (and other countries of highest risk) but severely limited exceptions will be granted.

This is the link for those requests: 

https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/LeavingTheCountryApp@piba.gov.il#!applicantDetails

 

9)Those flying to Israel from non high risk countries are allowed to have stopovers/change planes in the UK bit only for less than 12 hours and without leaving the airport. 

 

10)Someone from the UK who wants to come to Israel can go to a green country for two weeks and once the two weeks are over they can apply for approval to enter Israel using the current links for approvals.

 

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I had to laugh when Norman Swan said midway through the interview that homeschooling works because it keeps parents off the streets.  Funniest reason I’ve ever heard for promoting homeschooling before.  

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Both SA and Vic are ending the hard stage 4 lockdown at midnight tonight. 

I am guessing Vic will be at stage  2 or 3?? For the next 2 weeks. 

 No visiting anyone at all inside or visiting people's homes. 

Businesses can open up again with capacity limits

Schools opened again

5 km limit removed

There were 10 new cases in Vic. All of them in isolation.  Interestingly 2 of the cases attended the footy 13 days ago, and have had multiple negative results, but on the 13th day have tested positive

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I'm sorry to pop in and out of this thread, but my anxiety makes it tough. So I apologize if this has been answered.  Is there any data (not anecdata) about kids and Delta?  Our school district has tripled down that they won't be requiring masks for anyone, even elementary schools where of course the kids aren't vaccinated.  I'm in a high risk county, lowest vax rate state. I'm trying to look at the actual risk to my kids if they get Delta (which seems highly likely given the fact scenario) and whether that risk is higher than the risk of relationship harm / stress / social isolation from pulling them until they are vaxxed.  I work full time, so does DH, so pulling them will be very disruptive and they absolutely don't want to.  We'd have to hire someone and figure out curriculum.  

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A friend of my mom posted this, from a friend of hers who works at a hospital in Palm Beach County. 

this delta variant is scarey. We had 27 or 28 positive covids in the ER yesterday between 7a and 7p. Several admitted with covid pneumonia. Patients are younger and younger. Even children. This, as I have said before, is no joke. It's the unvaccinated that are getting it bad. I think only 2 yesterday were vaccinated and positive. This is only the beginning of what could potentially be a very bad outcome for so many. Please people, get the vaccine! The healthcare community is exhausted. I would say, if you are in a setting, with lots of people, wear the damned mask! We have to wear it 12 hours a day at work! I think it wont kill you, but covid might.

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24 minutes ago, lauraw4321 said:

I'm sorry to pop in and out of this thread, but my anxiety makes it tough. So I apologize if this has been answered.  Is there any data (not anecdata) about kids and Delta?  Our school district has tripled down that they won't be requiring masks for anyone, even elementary schools where of course the kids aren't vaccinated.  I'm in a high risk county, lowest vax rate state. I'm trying to look at the actual risk to my kids if they get Delta (which seems highly likely given the fact scenario) and whether that risk is higher than the risk of relationship harm / stress / social isolation from pulling them until they are vaxxed.  I work full time, so does DH, so pulling them will be very disruptive and they absolutely don't want to.  We'd have to hire someone and figure out curriculum.  

Honestly, as far as I can tell, no one truly knows the answer to this yet. It seems to me that it still appears that kids are extremely likely to do just fine, though it seems like possibly a bit riskier than it used to be. But it’s hard to tell if that’s just because more of them are getting sick or because this variant is actually more dangerous. The risk of long Covid or long-term neurological effects seems particularly like a wildcard right now. It’s possible that it isn’t rare among kids. I think what people do about their kids right now likely depends largely on what their options are. For people who have good options to continue protecting them from getting Covid, it seems worthwhile to do so until we know more or have a vaccine. For people who don’t have good options for that, it still seems their kids are likely to be fine. I’m sorry you’re in this position. Perhaps the new CDC recommendations will have some effect?

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1 minute ago, KSera said:

Honestly, as far as I can tell, no one truly knows the answer to this yet. It seems to me that it still appears that kids are extremely likely to do just fine, though it seems like possibly a bit riskier than it used to be. But it’s hard to tell if that’s just because more of them are getting sick or because this variant is actually more dangerous. The risk of long Covid or long-term neurological effects seems particularly like a wildcard right now. It’s possible that it isn’t rare among kids. I think what people do about their kids right now likely depends largely on what their options are. For people who have good options to continue protecting them from getting Covid, it seems worthwhile to do so until we know more or have a vaccine. For people who don’t have good options for that, it still seems their kids are likely to be fine. I’m sorry you’re in this position. Perhaps the new CDC recommendations will have some effect?

Thanks.  That's the answer I've been getting.  I even called my PCP to try to get him to give me some sense of risk, but he said it was "personal choice."  CDC won't change their minds. He's hinted he won't require them unless he's required to, and our governor has said she won't require them, so...??? I'm so overwhelmed with trying to decide. 

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1 minute ago, Melissa in Australia said:

My brother is much worse 

On his way to emergancy right now. He woke up this morning and cannot remember how to do anything

Thinking of him and you. I hope he's quickly admitted and they can help him.

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6 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

My brother is much worse 

On his way to emergancy right now. He woke up this morning and cannot remember how to do anything

I am so sorry to hear this, sending positive thoughts that they can figure it out and get him treatment quickly.

 

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26 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

My brother is much worse 

On his way to emergancy right now. He woke up this morning and cannot remember how to do anything

I’m sorry, I hope they can figure out what is going on.

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1 hour ago, lauraw4321 said:

I'm sorry to pop in and out of this thread, but my anxiety makes it tough. So I apologize if this has been answered.  Is there any data (not anecdata) about kids and Delta?  Our school district has tripled down that they won't be requiring masks for anyone, even elementary schools where of course the kids aren't vaccinated.  I'm in a high risk county, lowest vax rate state. I'm trying to look at the actual risk to my kids if they get Delta (which seems highly likely given the fact scenario) and whether that risk is higher than the risk of relationship harm / stress / social isolation from pulling them until they are vaxxed.  I work full time, so does DH, so pulling them will be very disruptive and they absolutely don't want to.  We'd have to hire someone and figure out curriculum.  

I think there’s no certainty yet.  At this stage it seems that it is much more transmissible but most likely not more deadly once you have caught it.  

There is a super short video summary here.  

 

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44 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

My brother is much worse 

On his way to emergancy right now. He woke up this morning and cannot remember how to do anything

I’m so sorry!  I really hope he ends up being ok - much better to go and get it checked though as early treatment is much better. I will be keeping you in my thoughts today.

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1 hour ago, Melissa in Australia said:

My brother is much worse 

On his way to emergancy right now. He woke up this morning and cannot remember how to do anything

I’m so sorry to hear that.  Sending prayers. 
 

In my personal life I know a lot of people who have had very bad reactions to vaccines. Up till now it seemed that Wtm had been amazingly spared any of that.  
 

I do hope he will be okay. One person I know who had similar sounding symptoms did improve quite a lot.  
 

🙏

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My cousin's DH is in hospital with covid.  He is 43, good health, but didn't get vaccinated because his macho-man work pals pooh-poohed the vaccine. He gave covid to both of his kids, (they are fine so far), his vaccinated wife (she felt poorly for a day, but bounced back), and the dog (!!!).  He got to the hospital with 02 of 81% and was arguing that he felt "fine" and didn't need to be admitted.  

Stupid, stupid, stupid. 

I know of 2 other people that took vacations to Florida and Vegas and came down with Covid. One was vaccinated and bounced back after feeling off for 1 day.  The other is unvaccinated and feels horrible, horrible, horrible now on day 3. 

What a mess. 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, MissLemon said:

He gave covid to both of his kids, (they are fine so far), his vaccinated wife (she felt poorly for a day, but bounced back), and the dog (!!!). 

The DOG got covid???!

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Cases here were 8 for VIC worryingly including one who was traffic management at a testing centre so out in the community.

177 for NSW.  1 for QLD also worrying because the person had completed quarantine and was staying in a backpackers hostel.  There’s also a couple of ships with COVID positive cases, some of whom have been transferred on shore for medical help in WA.

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The worldwide curve seems to be tapering a bit at this point and well below the last two waves.  Some of that may be related to reporting in the countries now experience increases but I’m taking it for a positive sign for the moment!  The deaths haven’t followed the cases up yet either.  They’ve increase but not dramatically.

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54 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

177 for NSW.  1 for QLD also worrying because the person had completed quarantine and was staying in a backpackers hostel. 

Seems like there have been several lately that have transmitted after quarantine ended. I had heard Delta transmits more quickly, but I’m wondering if this means it’s also contagious for longer? Didn’t  they find that to be the case with beta?

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6 hours ago, KSera said:

Seems like there have been several lately that have transmitted after quarantine ended. I had heard Delta transmits more quickly, but I’m wondering if this means it’s also contagious for longer? Didn’t  they find that to be the case with beta?

It’s possible.  It’s also possible that the quarantine is leaky and they are picking it up there, which seems to often be the case once they do the genomic testing.

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