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2 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

you should read the study linked in the Irish Express thing up thread first if you haven’t.  Haven’t looked at it in detail but it claims the risk of AZ to anyone under 40 is double the risk of Covid.  

Quoting myself to add the link 

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40328123.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

vaccinating with AZ across the population would avert 10 COVID deaths and cause 21 clotting deaths. I don’t believe that age should be expected to take that risk due to government incompetence/unwillingness to do what’s necessary to protect the older ones.

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9 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Quoting myself to add the link 

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40328123.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

vaccinating with AZ across the population would avert 10 COVID deaths and cause 21 clotting deaths. I don’t believe that age should be expected to take that risk due to government incompetence/unwillingness to do what’s necessary to protect the older ones.

Also quoting myself to say the one thing that might change my mind on this is solid evidence that delta is more deadly for younger age groups.  I haven’t seen that yet but maybe someone else here can comment?

either way I’m sorry you are in the situation ☹️
 

 

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23 minutes ago, bookbard said:

What about these 50,000 extra Pfizer they're talking about? Surely they'll prioritise your area? It's her decision I guess, but I'd be reluctant to take the risk, if you're just staying at home. I don't have a real sense of where the spread is happening, because even though they're listing exposure sites, you don't know if anyone has actually caught covid there. I know that there's been spread in cafes and workplaces, and random other places, but where are the main places it's spreading in Sydney? 

I was able to get Pfizer last week, booked from June. Most older people that I interact with through work have got AZ from their doctor; many of the younger people seem completely unaware of it all, as in they haven't thought of getting the vaccine and would have no idea how to book for it. And there are definitely a number of older people who do not want the AZ and are holding out for Pfizer. 

I hope they prioritise young essential workers in SWS, esp in disability care. 

Under 50's have to seek AZ from the GP - they can't go to a vaccination hub. 

I'm so confused about what to advise the kids. 

Stay in till Christmas? 

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8 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Hardly anyone is allowed to cross state or regional borders. Truck drivers are exempt, including removalists 

People in shopping centres and pharmacist are masked, but may not be wearing a mask correctly 

When the UK locked down,  the only people allowed to move house were NHS workers  being redeployed 

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Has anyone kept up with the Ivermectin research? I haven’t looked closely recently and saw the other day that ? the most positive study was withdrawn because of ? falsified data. We are embroiled in Ivermectin wars here right now so I’d like to study up on it if anyone has reliable information.

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1 hour ago, TCB said:

Has anyone kept up with the Ivermectin research? I haven’t looked closely recently and saw the other day that ? the most positive study was withdrawn because of ? falsified data. We are embroiled in Ivermectin wars here right now so I’d like to study up on it if anyone has reliable information.

I just recently read an article about how the ivermectin thing started last year—based on a study that was then withdrawn, but by then it was too late, and people were taking it (https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/surgisphere-sows-confusion-about-another-unproven-covid19-drug-67635). I found that background helpful in increasing my understanding of how we got here with ivermectin.

And then as you say, the more recent big study that was touted by ivermectin fans everywhere was withdrawn due to plagiarism and falsified data (which included, among other things, 79 of the patient records being obvious clones) (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns) That article includes a link to the data showing all the irregularities within the data set. 
 

Other than that, everything I read is that there isn’t any solid data to recommend it on yet. Oxford is enrolling for a large trial, which hopefully will finally give a definitive answer, because all we have are small and largely observational studies. 
 

This is a weird source (smart retirement report), but written by a pharmacist and gives a decent overview of where ivermectin stands right now :

https://smartretirementreport.com/2021/07/22/a-major-ivermectin-study-has-been-withdrawn-so-what-now-for-the-controversial-drug/

 

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5 hours ago, TCB said:

Has anyone kept up with the Ivermectin research? I haven’t looked closely recently and saw the other day that ? the most positive study was withdrawn because of ? falsified data. We are embroiled in Ivermectin wars here right now so I’d like to study up on it if anyone has reliable information.

Oxford’s PRINCIPLE trial should eventually provide more information. 

https://www.principletrial.org/news/ivermectin-to-be-investigated-as-a-possible-treatment-for-covid-19-in-oxford2019s-principle-trial

From today, ivermectin is being investigated in the UK as part of the Platform Randomised Trial of Treatments in the Community for Epidemic and Pandemic Illnesses (PRINCIPLE), the world’s largest clinical trial of possible COVID-19 treatments for recovery at home and in other non-hospital settings.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/oxford-university-explores-anti-parasitic-drug-ivermectin-covid-19-treatment-2021-06-22/

Ivermectin resulted in a reduction of virus replication in laboratory studies, the university said, adding that a small pilot showed giving the drug early could reduce viral load and the duration of symptoms in some patients with mild COVID-19.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens.

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@KSera and @BeachGal I think I read that the meta analyses that have persuaded some people on the effectiveness of Ivermectin, were heavily influenced by the positive results from the Egyptian study that has been withdrawn. Have you heard more about this, or the effect on outcomes when a meta analysis is done without including that study?

It will be good to have a good quality RCT to look at.

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46 minutes ago, TCB said:

@KSera and @BeachGal I think I read that the meta analyses that have persuaded some people on the effectiveness of Ivermectin, were heavily influenced by the positive results from the Egyptian study that has been withdrawn. Have you heard more about this, or the effect on outcomes when a meta analysis is done without including that study?

It will be good to have a good quality RCT to look at.

That’s exactly what I’ve read. When the falsified  Egyptian study is removed, the meta-analysis no longer shows any effect from ivermectin.

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53 minutes ago, TCB said:

@KSera and @BeachGal I think I read that the meta analyses that have persuaded some people on the effectiveness of Ivermectin, were heavily influenced by the positive results from the Egyptian study that has been withdrawn. Have you heard more about this, or the effect on outcomes when a meta analysis is done without including that study?

It will be good to have a good quality RCT to look at.

I haven't been following ivermectin all that much but what I have read is that in order to successfully treat Covid, the dose would have to be dangerously large. I don’t know, though.

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1 hour ago, TCB said:

@KSera and @BeachGal I think I read that the meta analyses that have persuaded some people on the effectiveness of Ivermectin, were heavily influenced by the positive results from the Egyptian study that has been withdrawn. Have you heard more about this, or the effect on outcomes when a meta analysis is done without including that study?

It will be good to have a good quality RCT to look at.

My personal stance is that I really don't believe in meta-analyses and recommend everyone else follows suit 😛 . You can't take a bunch of noisy, disparate data and make heads or tails of it, basically. 

ETA: I formed this opinion back when I was obsessively trying to scour the medical literature for whether epidurals had a negative effect on newborns/new mothers and also trying to figure out the data on inductions at the end of pregnancy. It was all fascinating and extremely hard to interpret, and the meta-analyses were so obviously useless I was shocked people were using them. 

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14 hours ago, bookbard said:

@lewelmawhat did new zealand do about deliveries, post offices and ordering online? Were postal workers and delivery drivers allowed to move around?

Only food could be delivered - and we were not set up for the volume, so they gave it to the old people. You had to prove age to get delivery.

Besides that, ALL stores were closed. Including ALL internet shopping. The post office was closed. There were no deliveries or mail. 

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18 hours ago, Melissa Louise said:

I hope they prioritise young essential workers in SWS, esp in disability care. 

Under 50's have to seek AZ from the GP - they can't go to a vaccination hub. 

I'm so confused about what to advise the kids. 

Stay in till Christmas? 

I keep thinking about this and then thinking there’s also the long COVID and neurological stuff 😬. Soo hard to know!

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1 hour ago, lewelma said:

Only food could be delivered - and we were not set up for the volume, so they gave it to the old people. You had to prove age to get delivery.

Besides that, ALL stores were closed. Including ALL internet shopping. The post office was closed. There were no deliveries or mail. 

Just wow. So many people here would starve.  How long did this go on?  How did people earn money or even survive. I am trying to picture that for more than a weekend and just cannot imagine that amount of lock down. There would be riots.

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40 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I keep thinking about this and then thinking there’s also the long COVID and neurological stuff 😬. Soo hard to know!

Have to keep reminding myself it's up to the adult kids to make their own decision. I can only pass on info. 

In good news, all Melbourne cases in isolation during their infectious period! Cautiously optimistic for them. 

Let's just ignore Sydney's news, lol

 

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1 hour ago, lewelma said:

Only food could be delivered - and we were not set up for the volume, so they gave it to the old people. You had to prove age to get delivery.

Besides that, ALL stores were closed. Including ALL internet shopping. The post office was closed. There were no deliveries or mail. 

OK, that is far more than has ever happened in Australia. I am all for it, by the way, what a difference 2 weeks of proper shut down would make. But I doubt that it would ever happen, our current federal and NSW state politicians are too beholden to big business. 

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1 hour ago, bookbard said:

OK, that is far more than has ever happened in Australia. I am all for it, by the way, what a difference 2 weeks of proper shut down would make. But I doubt that it would ever happen, our current federal and NSW state politicians are too beholden to big business. 

I think the first lockdown here was almost at that level. Food shops were open but very little else.  Subsequent lockdowns have been lighter.

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So today’s news was 141 for NSW plus 2 deaths including a woman in her 30s with no preexisting conditions.

No new cases for QLD but a case from NSW has been travelling through some areas.

11 from VIC all quarantining.

3 for SA all in quarantine.  We are working toward reopening Wednesday assuming nothing changes.

We have ordered loads of boosted Pfizer for sometime in the future.

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6 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I think the first lockdown here was almost at that level. Food shops were open but very little else.  Subsequent lockdowns have been lighter.

No, the post offices were open and there were deliveries of absolutely everything, so lots of delivery drivers around, lots of extra people working in stores to pack and send the items.

 

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2 minutes ago, bookbard said:

No, the post offices were open and there were deliveries of absolutely everything, so lots of delivery drivers around, lots of extra people working in stores to pack and send the items.

 

Yeah true.  But at least here in SA it felt like people were trying to avoid going out whereas now it feels like they’re looking for excuses 

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Yep, and there's so much more anger and protest. A lot of it is because there is less financial support and more of the govt blaming the people - when the whole thing began because the government didn't clearly legislate PPE for those transporting flight crews, and that was after the ruined Christmas/northern beaches outbreak which began for exactly the same reason. I enjoyed lockdown last year - this year I feel myself boiling with fury and I need to somehow let it go (prob need to get offline).

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8 minutes ago, bookbard said:

Yep, and there's so much more anger and protest. A lot of it is because there is less financial support and more of the govt blaming the people - when the whole thing began because the government didn't clearly legislate PPE for those transporting flight crews, and that was after the ruined Christmas/northern beaches outbreak which began for exactly the same reason. I enjoyed lockdown last year - this year I feel myself boiling with fury and I need to somehow let it go (prob need to get offline).

Yep!  Found myself frustrated a lot this week and that was only a couple of days in.  

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57 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Also there have been some big protests in Sydney and some also in Melbourne.

From the looks of what I saw of them, that looked  like a pretty concerning situation for spread 😢. I wouldn’t of worried too much about it before Delta, since it didn’t seem to be spreading outdoors, but the risk feels different now. I can’t help but feel some need to apologize if US exported the whole protesting a pandemic, cut off your nose to spite your face thing.

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11 minutes ago, KSera said:

From the looks of what I saw of them, that looked  like a pretty concerning situation for spread 😢. I wouldn’t of worried too much about it before Delta, since it didn’t seem to be spreading outdoors, but the risk feels different now. I can’t help but feel some need to apologize if US exported the whole protesting a pandemic, cut off your nose to spite your face thing.

No need to apologise - the protests seem to happen everywhere.

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2 hours ago, KSera said:

From the looks of what I saw of them, that looked  like a pretty concerning situation for spread 😢. I wouldn’t of worried too much about it before Delta, since it didn’t seem to be spreading outdoors, but the risk feels different now. I can’t help but feel some need to apologize if US exported the whole protesting a pandemic, cut off your nose to spite your face thing.

Pretty sure we birthed and exported the Murdoch press...!!

 

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6 hours ago, TexasProud said:

Just wow. So many people here would starve.  How long did this go on?  How did people earn money or even survive. I am trying to picture that for more than a weekend and just cannot imagine that amount of lock down. There would be riots.

First let me say that our lockdown would never work in America (the borders are too porous). I only bring it up because Australia has an elimination policy like we have, but NSW keeps mucking it up by doing too little too late. NZ's lockdown is considered one of the tightest in the world, and we completely eliminated covid during that time which means that we have been without restrictions of any kind for the past 15 months (with the exception of Auckland a few times which you see in the graph, but the rest of NZ has been at the bottom line). Let me be clear, for the past year we have still have stadium events with 40,000 people without masks.

Graphs of lockdown stringency: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&country=NZL~AUS~USA

To answer your question, our lockdown was for 4 weeks and then a lighter version for an additional 3 weeks (you can see this in the graph above). The idea was to keep *everyone* at home, not just the office workers. The only people considered essential were grocery store workers, food transport, pharamacy staff, a few bus drivers for these staff, and hospital staff. NO one else was working.  Seriously, look at these images. 

motorway images: https://www.google.com/search?q=auckland+motorway+during+lockdown+image&rlz=1CAEVJI_enNZ953NZ953&sxsrf=ALeKk03ekplzwWgY5nFSECTgbmAz6kYCaw:1627198272246&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA6Pv32f3xAhU0yzgGHSs4AygQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1242&bih=547

How the government made this happen.

1) They paid people who could not work from home a stipend for living expenses. And they paid businesses who could not operate to keep their staff even though they were not working. This cost quite a bit of money, but because the government books (debt to GDP) were in good shape, this could be done without bankrupting the country.

Gov't books: https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/government-debt-to-gdp

2) 90% of people supported the lockdown. This was accomplished by hiring a private company to create a government campaign to influence people.  It has worldwide acclaim. "Looking at the events of 2020, there is no doubt that the Unite Against Covid-19 campaign is a world-class demonstration of the creative power and value that design can bring – providing clarity, empathy and uniting all of Aotearoa to think of each other and be part of a collective response."

Scroll down and see some of the signage around NZ: Definitely about empathy and uniting https://theconversation.com/nz-contained-covid-19-direct-and-kind-words-on-signage-helped-138424

Campaign designers: https://designersinstitute.nz/case-study/unite-against-covid-19-campaign/

3) As for surviving, people were allowed to drive to their closest grocery store. We stood in line 3 meters apart wrapping around the parking lot, waiting for our turn to enter. You could not buy groceries online unless you were old, so you stood in line. Besides that, we just stayed at home. There were no stories about people being unable to survive. Even the homeless were all given a home in a hotel room. We knew online shopping for *anything* was closed because we wanted those workers to stay at home too. We were in this together. Rich and poor alike.

homeless put into hotels  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-spends-22-million-on-housing-homeless-in-motels-during-lockdown/BFEGBT2UHOPJBBMMN3KHIVKJVY/

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For me, I read these threads on this board and sometimes cry. My son, parents, and sisters are in the USA. Life is so tough for you guys and I am very sorry.

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Also, I put this on one of the other threads, but I will also put it here.  NZ is not allowing misinformation about the covid vaccine. And has asked people to report it. Our entire economic strategy relies on the population getting vaccinated in the next 4 months. The government is not allowing misinformation to propagate. From the Government site:

"Stopping the spread of mis and disinformation about the COVID-19 vaccine will limit any potential confusion for New Zealanders and help them to make informed decisions about the vaccine.

If possible,

-- Send us the link of the website if the content is online.
-- If you see COVID-19 misinformation on social media, report it to the platform (for example, Facebook or Twitter).
-- If it is a physical item, such as a leaflet, email us a photograph and if possible details of where and how you received it.
-- Include when you received the item and where it came from."

https://www.cert.govt.nz/individuals/common-threats/covid-19-vaccine-scams/report-covid-19-vaccine-scams-or-misinformation/

So far I have not seen *any* misinformation, so apparently this policy is working.

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@lewelmaThank you so much for taking the time to do that. Impressive, but yeah, no way for that to happen here. 

Our town of 14,000 might have been able to pull that off IF there had been the will. 

And I am still not sure how you balance free press and misinformation.  Things like where the virus started can so easily go either way.  Some cases the line is clear, but others not so much. 

Again that took so much time. I appreciate it.  

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A Spanish golfer tests positive & has to drop out of the Olympics. The shocker is that he tested positive in June, too.

From CNN:

"Spanish golfer Jon Rahm, the world No. 1 one of the favorites for Olympic gold, has tested positive for Covid-19 for a second time, this time ending his chances to participate at Tokyo 2020.

Rahm tested positive on his third Covid-19 test prior to departing for Tokyo, according to the Spanish Golf Federation.

Rahm was required to undergo three tests in compliance with guidelines for those who have recently been in the United Kingdom.

In June this year, Rahm was withdrawn from the Memorial Tournament after testing positive for Covid-19, the PGA Tour announced.

The 26-year-old later won the US Open at Torrey Pines in June, his first major victory, after recovering from the virus. "

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10 minutes ago, RootAnn said:

A Spanish golfer tests positive & has to drop out of the Olympics. The shocker is that he tested positive in June, too.

From CNN:

"Spanish golfer Jon Rahm, the world No. 1 one of the favorites for Olympic gold, has tested positive for Covid-19 for a second time, this time ending his chances to participate at Tokyo 2020.

Rahm tested positive on his third Covid-19 test prior to departing for Tokyo, according to the Spanish Golf Federation.

Rahm was required to undergo three tests in compliance with guidelines for those who have recently been in the United Kingdom.

In June this year, Rahm was withdrawn from the Memorial Tournament after testing positive for Covid-19, the PGA Tour announced.

The 26-year-old later won the US Open at Torrey Pines in June, his first major victory, after recovering from the virus. "

Could it be one of those lingering positives rather than a reinfection?

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I would assume that the golfer would need to test negative before competing in the Torrey Pines Tournament that he won after the first illness & before the second positive. Plus, two negatives before the third positive. 

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3 hours ago, RootAnn said:

I would assume that the golfer would need to test negative before competing in the Torrey Pines Tournament that he won after the first illness & before the second positive. Plus, two negatives before the third positive. 

I don't have links right now but there have been cases where they have found some people relapse and their genetic code of their covid strain stays the same even after testing negative.  I would strongly suspect that in positives so close together like that.  They also don't say if he is actually symptomatic now?

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51 minutes ago, FuzzyCatz said:

I don't have links right now but there have been cases where they have found some people relapse and their genetic code of their covid strain stays the same even after testing negative.  I would strongly suspect that in positives so close together like that.  They also don't say if he is actually symptomatic now?

Absolutely could be a relapse. They usually don't mention symptoms when cases are caught via routine testing. I assume that is because many people don't know when they have Covid unless they were tested. (Like right now when cold or allergy symptoms are so close to covid symptoms.) 

I posted it because we aren't hearing of such cases (close reinfections) much right now, so it is of interest.

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1 hour ago, calbear said:

In the WaPo today about switching to higher quality masks.

https://news.yahoo.com/why-experts-recommend-upgrading-n95-123108271.html

 

I just want to add, because for some reason news articles only ever seem to mention N95s and KN95s, that KF94s are another alternative to N95s. They have not had the counterfeiting problems that KN95s have. They are certified in Korea and despite the name, most of those tested test at 98 to 99%+ filtration. They are readily available to buy lots of places, though I’m seeing N95s available again right now as well. I’ve already bought some for fire season and so we’re prepared if this gets worse 😔

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1 hour ago, Laura Corin said:

BBC News - Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57962995

So interesting the way they are falling off. This stood out to me:

“The latest figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest 92% of adults in the UK now have antibodies to the virus in their blood, either through a previous infection or at least one vaccination dose.”

Would you say that vaccination uptake is pretty evenly spread geographically there? I’m thinking the pattern of infections would be pretty different in a place with evenly spread vaccination, versus places with high vaccination rates and other places with low vaccination rates, like we have in the US.

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56 minutes ago, KSera said:

So interesting the way they are falling off. This stood out to me:

“The latest figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest 92% of adults in the UK now have antibodies to the virus in their blood, either through a previous infection or at least one vaccination dose.”

Would you say that vaccination uptake is pretty evenly spread geographically there? I’m thinking the pattern of infections would be pretty different in a place with evenly spread vaccination, versus places with high vaccination rates and other places with low vaccination rates, like we have in the US.

It's not completely evenly distributed but the variation doesn't seem as extreme as the figures I have heard from the US. This is England.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

 

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Good overview from Dr. Campbell about vaccine longevity from Israeli study. Breaks down based of when you got it and then efficacy for infections, severe illness and hospitalization.
 

 

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6 minutes ago, Laura Corin said:

It's not completely evenly distributed but the variation doesn't seem as extreme as the figures I have heard from the US.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

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Is there a known reason why London has lower uptake? Otherwise, it's all very close. Nothing at all like here.

eta: obviously, the US is far bigger, so more variation isn't surprising, but you see extreme variations even within states here.

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1 minute ago, KSera said:

Is there a known reason why London has lower uptake? Otherwise, it's all very close. Nothing at all like here.

Deprivation and also lack of confidence among ethnic minorities, I think.

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NSW CHO confirms 'distressingly low' rates of AZ vaccination among over 60's. 

Seems like the oldies are waiting for Pfizer while at less risk of AZ side effects, while young people being pushed towards AZ in spite of higher risk of side effects. 

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1 hour ago, Melissa Louise said:

NSW CHO confirms 'distressingly low' rates of AZ vaccination among over 60's. 

Seems like the oldies are waiting for Pfizer while at less risk of AZ side effects, while young people being pushed towards AZ in spite of higher risk of side effects. 

I still think this is a diversion and blame shifting political technique though 😬. Split the generations, make them angry with each other for being selfish instead of with the federal government for messing up the rollout and nsw government for waiting too long to lock down.  Not that I think it’s wise for most people over 60 to wait at this point. 

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Today’s cases were

NSW: 145 with 76 infectious in the community for at least part of the time

VIC: 11 all in quarantine 

SA: 2 - one from tenefeate and quarantining and one likely a historic case.

In SA we are supposed to come out of lockdown Wednesday assuming all goes well.  There’s some restrictions still and it’s unclear what will happen with sport etc but schools are reopening.  We do expect some more cases but as long as they’re all quarantining it should be OK. 
 

It seems that significant spread occurred in the barrel room at the winery which has poor ventilation and was crowded.  Much less worrying than the original scenario I was picturing which was outdoor dining (how it was when we’ve been there in the past).  So far no spread from any of the shopping centre exposures etc so hopefully it stays that way.

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7 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I still think this is a diversion and blame shifting political technique though 😬. Split the generations, make them angry with each other for being selfish instead of with the federal government for messing up the rollout and nsw government for waiting too long to lock down.  Not that I think it’s wise for most people over 60 to wait at this point. 

Oh I know, it just makes me mad.

Passed on info re changed ATAGI advice to DD but lockdown has flung her back into depression so I'm not sure if she'll do anything about it. 

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