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15 minutes ago, Kanin said:

I just don't get it! Do people really not consume any news.... like enough news to know what's happening in the south, and what's already happened in NY, NJ, etc? And they think that won't happen here?

Here's a good, non-Covid-specific, demonstration of how droplets move through the air, and how well masks contain them (spoiler alert: really well!): https://www.khq.com/news/khq-investigates-how-effective-is-a-mask/video_e308a1e8-b74f-11ea-ac6d-878bd6f54032.html?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social_organic&utm_term=3456877239___&utm_content=_News+Promotion&utm_campaign=_

Did you see the news report about the way a picture is taken can make it look more crowded than it actually is? It's made me much more skeptical of pictures like this. Maybe the people in person, look around. See they have adequate spacing between groups. Not realizing there is someone with a camera looking to take a picture that makes it look horrible.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/social-distancing-images-camera-trick-2020-4?op=1#the-debate-began-when-a-danish-news-site-published-side-by-side-photos-of-various-public-areas-in-copenhagen-while-the-images-depicted-the-same-scenes-their-perspectives-were-dramatically-different-2

 

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7 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Is this outdoors? Then it may be OK. (Although they really do need to mask up.) 

 

Yes, it’s a street scene. Plenty of them. Definitely not doctored. Lol. 

I disagree that this is okay. It’s lunacy. And now I will forgo any and all reasons this summer to go down to Portland to you know, support local businesses. Nope. 

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16 minutes ago, vonfirmath said:

Did you see the news report about the way a picture is taken can make it look more crowded than it actually is? It's made me much more skeptical of pictures like this. Maybe the people in person, look around. See they have adequate spacing between groups. Not realizing there is someone with a camera looking to take a picture that makes it look horrible.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/social-distancing-images-camera-trick-2020-4?op=1#the-debate-began-when-a-danish-news-site-published-side-by-side-photos-of-various-public-areas-in-copenhagen-while-the-images-depicted-the-same-scenes-their-perspectives-were-dramatically-different-2

 

Do you think the same is true of video? I think the difference in the Petri dishes would still be convincing even if they did something to exaggerate the unmasked ones but it would be good to know if they can do it for video as well when trying to evaluate things.

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46 minutes ago, vonfirmath said:

Did you see the news report about the way a picture is taken can make it look more crowded than it actually is? It's made me much more skeptical of pictures like this. Maybe the people in person, look around. See they have adequate spacing between groups. Not realizing there is someone with a camera looking to take a picture that makes it look horrible.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/social-distancing-images-camera-trick-2020-4?op=1#the-debate-began-when-a-danish-news-site-published-side-by-side-photos-of-various-public-areas-in-copenhagen-while-the-images-depicted-the-same-scenes-their-perspectives-were-dramatically-different-2

 

 

Misleading photos could also give people the impression that gatherings of close grouped people (at least outside) are safe.  

While viewers would not realize that the distances between the people that didn’t lead to case spikes were much larger than images made it appear. 

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17 minutes ago, TCB said:

Do you think the same is true of video? I think the difference in the Petri dishes would still be convincing even if they did something to exaggerate the unmasked ones but it would be good to know if they can do it for video as well when trying to evaluate things.

 

Good homeschooling experiment if you can get some agar plates currently!

a friend of my son’s did an experiment with bacteria growing on agar after various times exposed to dirty conditions (a floor for example), and found that linger exposures did increase bacteria load, though it was already significant even with short exposure.

If you try the experiment at home, I wish you would do it with a typical amount of time that singing might happen in church, or talking in a class or meeting!

 

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8 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Good homeschooling experiment if you can get some agar plates currently!

a friend of my son’s did an experiment with bacteria growing on agar after various times exposed to dirty conditions (a floor for example), and found that linger exposures did increase bacteria load, though it was already significant even with short exposure.

If you try the experiment at home, I wish you would do it with a typical amount of time that singing might happen in church, or talking in a class or meeting!

 

I can see that collecting samples using different times or methods could skew the results. I was wondering if you could alter their appearance visually with video like you can with still photography. Don’t know if I’m technologically skilled enough to do it myself but I could try.

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51 minutes ago, vonfirmath said:

Did you see the news report about the way a picture is taken can make it look more crowded than it actually is? It's made me much more skeptical of pictures like this. Maybe the people in person, look around. See they have adequate spacing between groups. Not realizing there is someone with a camera looking to take a picture that makes it look horrible.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/social-distancing-images-camera-trick-2020-4?op=1#the-debate-began-when-a-danish-news-site-published-side-by-side-photos-of-various-public-areas-in-copenhagen-while-the-images-depicted-the-same-scenes-their-perspectives-were-dramatically-different-2

 

Sure, camera lenses and angles can do all kinds of things.

In this case though, the streets are really narrow. Count the people in a general row though in these little alleyways and yup, it’s a problem. On a regular Saturday night this would be awesome, but now it’s just stupid. And I’m mad. 

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3 minutes ago, MEmama said:

Sure, camera lenses and angles can do all kinds of things.

In this case though, the streets are really narrow. Count the people in a general row though in these little alleyways and yup, it’s a problem. On a regular Saturday night this would be awesome, but now it’s just stupid. And I’m mad. 

And without masks.  I don't wear a mask when I walk on my quiet street, and I've even met a friend on my porch where we sit more than 6' apart.  But a crowd of people like that?  Masks, people, masks.

I am very much of the opinion that outdoor risk of spread is much lower than indoors.  But it's still far from zero, and the whole time + proximity thing when you're just standing around like that... outdoor air is also not magic fairy dust that renders you immune!

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4 minutes ago, TCB said:

I can see that collecting samples using different times or methods could skew the results. I was wondering if you could alter their appearance visually with video like you can with still photography. Don’t know if I’m technologically skilled enough to do it myself but I could try.

 

You probably can alter appearance with video, and can certainly completely change it in edit process. 

Do you disbelieve that what they said they did is what they did?

 

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@Arcadia @square_25 @mathnerd @dmmetler

My Happy Mask came.  I like it a lot.

I ordered two for my mom (most vulnerable of us so she could switch it out if needed) and one for my son.

I think they would be especially helpful for people in a big city or with underlying health issues or both. In addition to maybe being light and comfortable for kids.

the filter membrane must be directional , in breath is easier than out it seems to me ... 

I hope they are as protective for wearer as the site says!

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2 hours ago, vonfirmath said:

Did you see the news report about the way a picture is taken can make it look more crowded than it actually is? It's made me much more skeptical of pictures like this. Maybe the people in person, look around. See they have adequate spacing between groups. Not realizing there is someone with a camera looking to take a picture that makes it look horrible.

 

I had not seen this. Thank you!

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46 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Although to be fair, I saw some protests in real life and they were not particularly distances.

 

Im losing track of when what happened—

 

When would be around 4-5 weeks from outdoor protests date?

and ditto for Tulsa rally to watch for possible increases that might be related?

I am going by Louisiana Mardi Gras Feb 25 to case surge around March 29, that surge comes a little more that 4 weeks after event...   deaths another several weeks beyond that

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5 minutes ago, square_25 said:

I don't think that's how the case surge would work when there's actually enough testing. 

 

How do you think it would work  if Louisiana had had the sort of testing available in March that there is now? 

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7 minutes ago, square_25 said:

I think there would be a positivity bump in a week or two. It's just no one was testing back then except for people coming in from a few places. 

 

How big a bump in the midst of other things and given how high the levels already are?

Would we really even notice 15 or 30 more cases per day in areas having hundreds?

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3 hours ago, Pen said:

 

You probably can alter appearance with video, and can certainly completely change it in edit process. 

Do you disbelieve that what they said they did is what they did?

 

No I don’t disbelieve it. It makes sense and fits in with what I think is true from my research. I have been fooled by photos of crowded beaches and just wondered how much of a difference angles etc make in video.

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30 minutes ago, square_25 said:

All the big spreading events are very noticeable. If it's really 15 or 30 cases in a place like New York, where thousands and thousands were protesting, then protests are not a big driver of spread! 

 

I’m looking at that differently in that 15 or 30 is only looking like a blip because the overall numbers are so staggering.

For a virus of this type of infectivity I consider it extremely important in terms of infectious disease spread, at least if the R0 is above 1. 

Each little stream of infection spread is likely to be significant.   No one source causes the pandemic River, but lots of little springs and rivulets together lead to 

 

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24 minutes ago, square_25 said:

I am not sure what you're saying. NY has decreasing cases despite protests. 

 

I understand what you’re saying that you would expect a big spike if protests caused spread.

But NY according to my news, is still largely in a lock down in theory,  aside from protests , and despite the large number of protesting people that’s still small compared to the overall population doing things in a normal way.  Doing things in an opened up ordinary way seems clearly a bigger driver of spread, but I am not ready to conclude that outdoors is safe.

I think NY may still be experiencing decrease based on largely locking down, but that there’s perhaps, possibly, a new stream incoming making the situation fairly flat.  Sort of like a dam stopping most of a river, but there still being a flow happening along other spillways and a sidestream...

 

and Ive not been watching for if it has the same phenomena @Ktgrok pointed out for Florida, where statistics can look like cases and deaths are decreasing because of delays in reporting.  ????

possibly this view that I am not convinced that outdoors doesn’t spread SARS2  is because I know some people who were isolating and distancing extremely — and yet seem to have gotten sick from an outdoors exercise activity.

that said, I think if you need to do things outside, that well distanced and masked for own safety, it is probably much safer than indoor public activities 

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@square_25 to be clear, I’m not advocating closing beaches, Parks, etc.   I think outdoors is safer than indoors from Covid POV transmission. 

I am advocating not getting complacent about belief that outdoors is safe.

I think outdoors plus masks plus 6 feet or more physical distance would be a good idea.   Not trusting in just one of those alone. 

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We now have 107 cases linked to Harper's bar in East Lansing.  40% are MSU college students or recent graduates.  I can't believe they think sending teens back to college will go any differently as the health department determined they were abiding by all opening guidelines.  Those students come from 13 different counties around the state.

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9 hours ago, Pen said:

 

Im losing track of when what happened—

 

When would be around 4-5 weeks from outdoor protests date?

and ditto for Tulsa rally to watch for possible increases that might be related?

I am going by Louisiana Mardi Gras Feb 25 to case surge around March 29, that surge comes a little more that 4 weeks after event...   deaths another several weeks beyond that

It has now been 5 weeks since protests started in Minneapolis. I have tracked the Hennepin County numbers from June 3 until today. They have remained relatively unchanged despite a significant increase in testing. Hospitalizations and deaths in Minnesota have also been decreasing over this time. I think we are to the point that we can say that the protests did not cause a spike here.

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26 minutes ago, TracyP said:

It has now been 5 weeks since protests started in Minneapolis. I have tracked the Hennepin County numbers from June 3 until today. They have remained relatively unchanged despite a significant increase in testing. Hospitalizations and deaths in Minnesota have also been decreasing over this time. I think we are to the point that we can say that the protests did not cause a spike here.

 

I hope that’s so.  

 

This doesn’t look awful compared to a lot of other places in USA. Though it’s worse than many whole countries. 

 

 

Watson AI from weather.com:

Minneapolis, MN

Hennepin County

As of Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:29 PM EDT

CONFIRMED CASES11,796
+6.6%Since last week
DEATHS776
+3.1%Since last week
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@TracyP 

what I’d like to see is the results of thorough contact tracing to show all cases have been traced and none came from protests...   or none came from whatever is being asserted as _____ does not result in case spread 

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73 cases in vic

12 in nsw

vic is fairly consistent.  That’s an increase for nsw on the kind of numbers they’ve been having for the last week.  I can’t find any info on whether they are locally acquired or have come in from overseas.  It’s somewhat concerning the speed of increase once restrictions relax if they’re local.  
 

my dh was complaining about a sore throat but then went to work.  I wish he’d stayed home and really hope he doesn’t share any bugs around 😬

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In the Swedish preprint, they report that 30% of the control group (blood donated between July & Sept 2019, n=25, so ~8 people) had the response quoted below. Can someone explain what this means:

""We detected potentially cross-reactive T cell responses directed against the membrane and spike proteins in healthy individuals who donated blood before the pandemic, consistent with previous reports (Grifoni et al., 2020; Nina Le Bert, 2020), but nucleocapsid reactivity was notably absent in this cohort (Figure 3A and S6A, S6B)."

 

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17 hours ago, MEmama said:

Thank you. He will be quarantining upon arrival, assuming he’s allowed in to the country at all. That’s the part that he seems unsure about at this point. 

I should have said: my university is setting up so that people who can't get here can study completely online for the first semester at least. All lectures will be online, as will all assessment. There will be online and in-person options for all small group teaching.

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17 hours ago, Kanin said:

I saw Andrew Cuomo on Meet the Press the other day, and he was talking about how the surge in cases in other states may delay opening in NY and other places. It only makes sense... but I wish we had a national response to this! If NYC is doing really well and is capable of opening restaurants, but they can't because they're afraid people from Florida will come spread the virus, it's just nuts. Perhaps the governors will create a national plan on their own. 

Wth would you have a national plan? What does rural WY have to do with NYC and why should the same rules apply?

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2 hours ago, Pen said:

@TracyP 

what I’d like to see is the results of thorough contact tracing to show all cases have been traced and none came from protests...   or none came from whatever is being asserted as _____ does not result in case spread 

In  NYC< tthey aren't allowed to ask if you have been in a protest.  Maybe some other areas are also doing that.

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4 hours ago, Corraleno said:

In the Swedish preprint, they report that 30% of the control group (blood donated between July & Sept 2019, n=25, so ~8 people) had the response quoted below. Can someone explain what this means:

""We detected potentially cross-reactive T cell responses directed against the membrane and spike proteins in healthy individuals who donated blood before the pandemic, consistent with previous reports (Grifoni et al., 2020; Nina Le Bert, 2020), but nucleocapsid reactivity was notably absent in this cohort (Figure 3A and S6A, S6B)."

 

 

What aspect is the problem?

There are immune responses to various parts of a virus potentially, so that spike protein can be recognized and an immune response mounted to that and or other parts of the virus can be recognized and immune response lodged against those parts (making a vaccine that works against relevant parts and enough parts of virus can be important to vaccine effectiveness).  

So the T cells they found are apparently able to direct immune response toward the SARS2 spike protein and also the SARS2 membrane (Iirc that means outer membrane of the virus which fuses with the cell membrane when the virus attaches as its RNA enters the cell).   But they didn’t detect T cell reactivity to the nucleocapsid (which is to a virus sort of like the nucleus is to a cell) — it’s the inside part with the RNA in it and iirc it enters the cell of the host after the spike protein has split and attached  to receptor and cell membrane. 

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5 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

73 cases in vic

12 in nsw

vic is fairly consistent.  That’s an increase for nsw on the kind of numbers they’ve been having for the last week.  I can’t find any info on whether they are locally acquired or have come in from overseas.  It’s somewhat concerning the speed of increase once restrictions relax if they’re local.  
 

my dh was complaining about a sore throat but then went to work.  I wish he’d stayed home and really hope he doesn’t share any bugs around 😬

only 1 of the new cases in Vic was from an overseas traveler, the rest were community spread

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6 hours ago, Pen said:

 

I hope that’s so.  

 

This doesn’t look awful compared to a lot of other places in USA. Though it’s worse than many whole countries. 

 

 

Watson AI from weather.com:

Minneapolis, MN

Hennepin County

As of Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:29 PM EDT

CONFIRMED CASES11,796
+6.6%Since last week
DEATHS776
+3.1%Since last week

Cases and deaths are down in Hennepin county.  It has been by far the hardest hit part of the state, and yeah the numbers still aren't great. That, of course, made the protests there all the more worrisome. I'm not sure what those % increases mean. Deaths are way down over the last week. I'm wondering if they reflect a cumulative change in which case they would always increase. 

6 hours ago, Pen said:

@TracyP 

what I’d like to see is the results of thorough contact tracing to show all cases have been traced and none came from protests...   or none came from whatever is being asserted as _____ does not result in case spread 

Well, I'm not sure you'll ever get that. But my state saw this as a data gathering opportunity. They went out of there way to look for spread that came from the protests. They say (and the numbers verify) that they haven't found evidence of that.

On the other hand, Minnesota opened bars and restaurants on June 10. Already 2 clusters of cases have been linked to bars. If there had been any clusters linked to protests, I'm confident we would have seen it by now.

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4 hours ago, Laura Corin said:

I should have said: my university is setting up so that people who can't get here can study completely online for the first semester at least. All lectures will be online, as will all assessment. There will be online and in-person options for all small group teaching.

Thank you. I did read in an article on yesterday’s EU's decision to ban Americans that students are exempt. Understandably, he would much rather be in Scotland than here, for all the reasons. 🙂 

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5 hours ago, TravelingChris said:

Wth would you have a national plan? What does rural WY have to do with NYC and why should the same rules apply?

Why wouldn't I?

There actually IS a national plan, put out by the White House. Almost no states are following it, though.

Rural WY and NYC are very connected. We are all in the same pandemic! A national plan can be flexible, but every state should be held to the same standards. If you meet X standards, you're fully opened up. If you meet Z standards, you're still in phase 3 until things improve, etc. 

New York State has a state plan. The criteria for moving from phase to phase are clear, and regions are held to the criteria. If a region backslides, they'll be put back into an earlier phase until they get things under control. In the NY State plan, the rural North Country has been reopened for weeks, while NYC is still in phase two. 

Americans can't travel to Europe because we've bungled this situation so badly. That's pretty telling. Why wouldn't we want a national plan that would finally get this situation under control?

 

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26 minutes ago, square_25 said:

We were talking about the possibility of my sister finding some sort of study abroad option, since her school (University of Chicago) is likely to be online and it may make sense to take a year off. 

Fwiw UK universities, if that might be a goal, will probably be partly online in order to facilitate social distancing.  Social contact may be limited too. Here's one

https://warwick.ac.uk/coronavirus/students/teaching/

 

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Texas Tribune: Covid is spreading in daycares. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/23/texas-coronavirus-child-care-safety-rules/

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The state reported 576 positive cases of the coronavirus — 382 staff members and 194 children — in child care facilities as of Tuesday. That’s up from 59 cases in mid-May.

As of mid-June, state-licensed child care centers were no longer required to comply with a list of safety precautions that had been in effect since mid-April. That meant centers could decide for themselves if they wanted to check staff temperatures, require parents to drop off their children outside or stop serving family-style meals, according to a previous notice from the state Health and Human Services Commission.

 

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1 minute ago, square_25 said:

More staff members than kids, interestingly.

Yup. So is this because adults are more likely to get symptoms and therefore get tested, or are adults able to infect each other at a rate that small children can't? Hard to say until somebody starts swabbing kids en masse, I guess.

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4 minutes ago, whitehawk said:

Yup. So is this because adults are more likely to get symptoms and therefore get tested, or are adults able to infect each other at a rate that small children can't? Hard to say until somebody starts swabbing kids en masse, I guess.

This is what needs to happen. I can't stand assuming that kids don't get it/spread it... the CDC should start doing some research in instances like this.

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12 minutes ago, whitehawk said:

North Carolina will require masks for students aged 11 and up: https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/masks-part-of-pandemic-dress-code-for-nc-middle-high-schools/19168428/

That will be tricky for 5th grade, where most students will be turning 11. I'm glad to see it, though, if schools open in person.

I expect a lot of families will choose to do it earlier and not wait for the kid's 11th birthday. Both of my kids wear masks when appropriate (age 8 and age 12)

 

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1 hour ago, square_25 said:

We were talking about the possibility of my sister finding some sort of study abroad option, since her school (University of Chicago) is likely to be online and it may make sense to take a year off. Are you worried about the unstable border situation at all and getting stuck somewhere? 

It’s not my son (though we are looking into overseas for him next year), but one of his friends. 🙂 
My impression is that his family would rather have him over there; I would feel the same (not just for COVID reasons).

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44 minutes ago, Kanin said:

This is what needs to happen. I can't stand assuming that kids don't get it/spread it... the CDC should start doing some research in instances like this.

I'm so frustrated that we don't seem to be using these opportunities to research!! It should be very simple to track whether those kids spread it to their families. It should be feasible to test entire daycares if they have cases. At least I think we now have enough testing for that?

To me the daycare situation does not look like horrible news. Google tells me that Texas has 12,176 childcare centers serving over 1 million kids. 194 kids infected is a very small number and it looks like the adults are passing it to the kids, not vice versa. This makes me assume that kids are not major spreaders. However, I completely agree that I don't want to assume!! We should be able to track this better by now and start to get some solid answers.

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@Pen
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/la-apparel-which-has-been-manufacturing-masks-shut-down-after-covid-19-outbreaks/2388776/

“The prominent garment manufacturer LA Apparel confirmed it is the unidentified company the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health said it shut down over the weekend, after testing found more than 100 workers had tested positive for COVID-19.”

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54 minutes ago, TracyP said:

I'm so frustrated that we don't seem to be using these opportunities to research!! It should be very simple to track whether those kids spread it to their families. It should be feasible to test entire daycares if they have cases. At least I think we now have enough testing for that?

 

I can’t find it at the moment but I read an article just yesterday saying that as cases surge they are going to start running out of test kits again. 

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14 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

I can’t find it at the moment but I read an article just yesterday saying that as cases surge they are going to start running out of test kits again. 

I suppose that makes sense 🙁

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1 hour ago, Arcadia said:

@Pen
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/la-apparel-which-has-been-manufacturing-masks-shut-down-after-covid-19-outbreaks/2388776/

“The prominent garment manufacturer LA Apparel confirmed it is the unidentified company the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health said it shut down over the weekend, after testing found more than 100 workers had tested positive for COVID-19.”

We bought a lot of masks from LA Apparel for our employees.🙁

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8 minutes ago, Selkie said:

We bought a lot of masks from LA Apparel for our employees.🙁

Washable ones?  Then just washing them should make them safe from any potential contaminants.  I always wash the masks I receive anyway. 

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