Ausmumof3 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 bno report that Kuwait is also stopping boat travel from Iran. I can’t see a source or find it anywhere else but they’ve been fairly reliable so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: bno report that Kuwait is also stopping boat travel from Iran. I can’t see a source or find it anywhere else but they’ve been fairly reliable so far. From Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-kuwait-ports/kuwait-ports-suspend-travel-and-from-iran-amid-coronavirus-fears-idUSKBN20E2YD “Cairo (Reuters) - Kuwait’s ports authority suspended the movement of people to and from Iran until further notice because of concerns about the coronavirus outbreak in that country, state news agency KUNA said early on Friday. Two Iranians who tested positive for the coronavirus have died of respiratory illness, and three others tested positive on Thursday, the Iranian Health Ministry said. On Thursday, Kuwait Airways suspended all flights to Iran on the advice of the Kuwaiti Health Ministry and the civil aviation authority. ” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) One of the Dr John Campbell videos said (iirc) there’s a physician he knows in Africa with whom he communicates who said he has patients he’d like to test for Covid-19, but he doesn’t have any way to do tests. Edited February 20, 2020 by Pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Updating is seeming confusing to me right now. I think maybe I should screen shot worldometer once per day so as to be able to see the change. Right now, I think it is showing as “new” cases that from my POV were from South Korea from what I already saw “yesterday” but from Japan it seems like new cases past what I saw on my own “yesterday.” Edited February 20, 2020 by Pen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Latest Dr. John video: https://youtu.be/n0mt-vtqRC0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 411 new cases for Hubei and 115 new deaths. still seeing high numbers of new deaths even with declining new cases but that’s to be expected as deaths would most likely relate to the number of new cases a week or two ago. total cases 76,188, total fatalities 2,245. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Iraq are stopping border crossings with Iranian nationals. i wonder if there’s an element of politics here or if it’s just because they’re closer to the situation and believe it’s more widespread than the reported 5 cases. Or a bit of both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 evacuees from Diamond Princess in Darwin test positive. https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-21/coronavirus-confirmed-among-diamond-princess-evacuees/11987368?pfmredir=sm I believe they all had to test negative before embarking so that would call into question the decision to release other passengers who tested negative into Japan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: 2 evacuees from Diamond Princess in Darwin test positive. https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-21/coronavirus-confirmed-among-diamond-princess-evacuees/11987368?pfmredir=sm I believe they all had to test negative before embarking so that would call into question the decision to release other passengers who tested negative into Japan. I think that’s right. Iirc USA allowed 14 people who tested positive but were asymptomatic to travel on evacuation busses/ flights. But Australia did not. Eta: I hope that isn’t a disastrous decision for Japan. It was likely to be a continuation of the decisions being made by people who aren’t infectious disease specialists as the Dr reported regarding the ship quarantine. Edited February 21, 2020 by Pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoeless Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Article on supply chain issues. The virus is impacting not just production at Chinese factories, but shipping anything out of China. British Airways air cargo division has cancelled all flights for the rest of the month to mainland China. https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/05/business/shipping-coronavirus-impact/index.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 31 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: 2 evacuees from Diamond Princess in Darwin test positive. https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-21/coronavirus-confirmed-among-diamond-princess-evacuees/11987368?pfmredir=sm I believe they all had to test negative before embarking so that would call into question the decision to release other passengers who tested negative into Japan. I started clicking on some other links like the one about the bullied boy with dwarfism and how to stop child meltdowns. Your media seems much better than ours. Ours, those would have turned out to be entirely click bait for some advertisers. Yours turned out to be a moving story and some helpful ideas. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 https://www.ft.com/content/91446bd6-52b8-11ea-8841-482eed0038b1 About Japan’s decision to let passengers off DP and out of quarantine. I think this: “We do not have any facility suitable to quarantine such a large number of people on land,” said Iwate Medical University professor Shigeru Sakurai. “ is key, but might be where international aid?, WHO funding?, something?, might have been useful to achieve a suitable off DP quarantine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) deleted because I realised it was the same info as a previous post Edited February 21, 2020 by Ausmumof3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, Pen said: I started clicking on some other links like the one about the bullied boy with dwarfism and how to stop child meltdowns. Your media seems much better than ours. Ours, those would have turned out to be entirely click bait for some advertisers. Yours turned out to be a moving story and some helpful ideas. If that was Abc they are good. They are gov funded so not reliant on advertising and give more detailed analysis. Some people hate it (too left wing apparently). They are kind of like the local equivalent of bbc I guess. They also run some pretty good kids educational programs on tv. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 South Korea now have 156 cases and declared Daegu and Cheongdo special management zones. 1 new case in California and 1 new case near Milan in Italy . https://humboldtgov.org/DocumentCenter/View/84006/20200220---News-Release---COVID-19inHumboldt-PDF more on California Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 51 minutes ago, Pen said: Eta: I hope that isn’t a disastrous decision for Japan. It was likely to be a continuation of the decisions being made by people who aren’t infectious disease specialists as the Dr reported regarding the ship quarantine. Japan’s reaction to SARS 2003 doesn’t look promising to how they would react to COVID-19 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(03)15037-4/fulltext “According to the Japanese government, there were no confirmed cases of SARS in Spring, 2003. However, four probable cases of SARS were reported on WHO's web pages between April and June, 2003. The Japanese Ministry of Health, Labour, and Welfare did not disseminate this information widely enough to help efforts to prevent secondary transmission. They made an original case definition of confirmed SARS cases. Although a few patients had symptoms compatible with WHO's case definition of SARS, the Japanese public was not informed. Although the Japanese government might not have intended to cover up these cases of SARS, their action did not support community preventive strategies. Local health centres tried to prepare for SARS, but did not have adequate information about patients with the disease in Japan. Information about cases of SARS needs to be reported accurately and disseminated in a timely way to help limit the spread of the disease. Inadequate reporting and lack of information may propagate public myths and cause further transmission of the disease. Fortunately, local transmission of SARS was not observed in Japan this Spring. Nevertheless, Japanese health authorities must report and disseminate accurate information promptly to alleviate the public's fears and to prevent secondary and tertiary transmission of the disease” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaelAldrich Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 DH just flew to Tokyo yesterday/today. His plane, usually full of people, was about 1/3 full - business class all but empty and no children on board. The FAs passed out surgical masks to everyone who wanted them. He is speaking at a conference about disasters (ironic) and bringing needed goods and food to our dear friends who run the Chabad of Tokyo. They have been bringing kosher food and support to the Israeli/Jewish passengers on the Diamond Princess since it's been quarantined with the Japanese govt and the Israeli embassy's blessings. The Israeli passengers (minus 4 who have been diagnosed with COVID-19) have been evacuated from the ship on a private jet to Israel. I've no idea if they'll be quarantined once they get there, but I assume so. Husband is not going out except to the Chabad House and the conference as no one is interested in social calls at this point. He's got ample n95 masks, gloves, elderberry syrup and Vit D, hand sanitizer and is meticulous on cleanliness He'll speak on Sunday and come home Monday night. Please pray for him. 11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoeless Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said: Twitter post How the hell did no one in Geneva at @WHO's briefing ask about China's vacillating approach to confirming cases of #COVID19? Head of World Heath Organisations response “It's warm and sunny today in #Geneva. Perhaps this hint of spring fever went to their heads. Good thing we do regular press conferences. Many opportunities to ask questions!” This is a really weird response from WHO. Like, really, really weird and insensitive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Peng Yinhua, a frontline doctor at Jiangxia First Hospital in virus epicenter #Wuhan, died of #COVID19 on Thursday night. He had earlier delayed his wedding as he wanted to treat patients with the disease at hospital. tweet from global times. Another doctor dies - very sad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: South Korea now have 156 cases and declared Daegu and Cheongdo special management zones. From Yonhap News Agency https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200203005551315 “SEOUL, Feb. 3 (Yonhap) -- A total of 336 schools in South Korea have temporarily shut down or postponed the start of the new semester due to fears of the spread of the new coronavirus, government data showed Monday. According to the Ministry of Education, 245 kindergartens, 53 elementary schools, 21 middle schools, 16 high schools and one special education school nationwide have halted school operations or delayed reopening after winter vacation as of 9 a.m. as part of emergency measures to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Elementary and secondary schools here usually restart in the last week of January or the first week of February after a month-long winter vacation. ” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 A Turkish aircraft chartered by Holland Cruises to transport passengers from Westerdam had to be rerouted mid air after Turkey denied landing and was forced to land in Karachi instead https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/plane-evacuating-cruise-passengers-re-routed-after-turkey-denies-landing-permission/ar-BB10dywH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 A woman in Canada is believed to have coronavirus after returning from Iran https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/coronavirus-bc-update-1.5470757 I’m not sure why they say “believed to be”. Whether it’s based on testing or symptoms or an initial test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan in TX Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 From The San Francisco Chronicle https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-22-more-cruise-evacuees-sent-to-15072010.php At least 22 more people evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan to two U.S. air bases have either tested positive or showed symptoms of the coronavirus, including 16 who arrived at Travis Air Force Base but have now been transported to local hospitals, a spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told The Chronicle. And 6 of the evacuees that were sent to Lackland AFB in San Antonio have also been sent to hospitals for further testing. Susan in TX 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 China reported another 477 cases including 220 from Hubei. It’s unclear whether the 220 were included in the earlier figures from this morning or are separate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, YaelAldrich said: DH just flew to Tokyo yesterday/today. His plane, usually full of people, was about 1/3 full - business class all but empty and no children on board. The FAs passed out surgical masks to everyone who wanted them. He is speaking at a conference about disasters (ironic) and bringing needed goods and food to our dear friends who run the Chabad of Tokyo. They have been bringing kosher food and support to the Israeli/Jewish passengers on the Diamond Princess since it's been quarantined with the Japanese govt and the Israeli embassy's blessings. The Israeli passengers (minus 4 who have been diagnosed with COVID-19) have been evacuated from the ship on a private jet to Israel. I've no idea if they'll be quarantined once they get there, but I assume so. Husband is not going out except to the Chabad House and the conference as no one is interested in social calls at this point. He's got ample n95 masks, gloves, elderberry syrup and Vit D, hand sanitizer and is meticulous on cleanliness He'll speak on Sunday and come home Monday night. Please pray for him. Praying for all of you. I’d be inclined to meet a relative arriving from any suspect trip with clothing and luggage cover ups (big plastic bags for example) to keep surfaces covered till clothes could be put in laundry, luggage wiped down etc. And have person go immediately into shower for thorough scrubbing, then into completely clean clothes that weren’t on the trip. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 The most recent Italian case doesn’t have history of travel to China but has been in contact with people returning from Asia. I think! My Italian skills are shaky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnerd Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pen said: Praying for all of you. I’d be inclined to meet a relative arriving from any suspect trip with clothing and luggage cover ups (big plastic bags for example) to keep surfaces covered till clothes could be put in laundry, luggage wiped down etc. And have person go immediately into shower for thorough scrubbing, then into completely clean clothes that weren’t on the trip. Wishing him a safe trip back. I agree with the above. If he could, maybe he could change clothes and bag his outfits at the airport to avoid bringing any germs home. And of course, take a shower as soon as he enters the house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, mathnerd said: Wishing him a safe trip back. I agree with the above. If he could, maybe he could change clothes and bag his outfits at the airport to avoid bringing any germs home. And of course, take a shower as soon as he enters the house. Hmm would you recommend that for anyone returning from Japan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Or just abandon the luggage there until a subsequent trip, walk to a hotel as soon as he deplanes, get a room and shower with hibiclens, trash his clothes in a tied baggie in the dumpster on the way out, and wear fresh stuff home. This is our plan if Dh ever picked up bedbugs. He wasn’t getting in our vehicle, he isn’t crossing the threshold of our home...like with some things you just gotta burn it down, iykwim. Dh used to travel full time and this is one of those times I would ask him to hit the nuclear button....only because most of us are asthmatic at home. Your risk calculation may be different. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said: Or just abandon the luggage there until a subsequent trip, walk to a hotel as soon as he deplanes, get a room and shower with hibiclens, trash his clothes in a tied baggie in the dumpster on the way out, and wear fresh stuff home. This is our plan if Dh ever picked up bedbugs. He wasn’t getting in our vehicle, he isn’t crossing the threshold of our home...like with some things you just gotta burn it down, iykwim. Dh used to travel full time and this is one of those times I would ask him to hit the nuclear button....only because most of us are asthmatic at home. Your risk calculation may be different. I like the idea of leaving most luggage in Japan and getting rid of airplane clothes at airport. But I am not sure that the Hibiclens is a good idea. Very thoroughly scrubbing all over with soap and hot water may be better. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509683/ Human Coronaviruses: Insights into Environmental Resistance and Its Influence on the Development of New Antiseptic Strategies “enveloped viruses are not that fragile and they are not inactivated by a number of antiseptics-disinfectants such as quaternary ammoniums compounds or phenolic compounds. The association chlorhexidine and cetrimide, widely used in human medicine, did not seem to be effective on HCoV 229E, except if ethanol is added [128].” I think Hibiclens may be a chlorhexidine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 You may be right on the Hibiclens point. I am digging for my chart on disinfectants from another study and can’t find the slide... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said: You may be right on the Hibiclens point. I am digging for my chart on disinfectants from another study and can’t find the slide... Inactivation of coronaviruses by biocidal agents in suspension tests Ethanol (78–95%), 2-propanol (70–100%), the combination of 45% 2-propanol with 30% 1-propanol, glutardialdehyde (0.5–2.5%), formaldehyde (0.7–1%) and povidone iodine (0.23–7.5%) readily inactivated coronavirus infectivity by approximately 4 log10 or more. (Table II). Sodium hypochlorite required a minimal concentration of at least 0.21% to be effective. Hydrogen peroxide was effective with a concentration of 0.5% and an incubation time of 1 min. Data obtained with benzalkonium chloride at reasonable contact times were conflicting. Within 10 min a concentration of 0.2% revealed no efficacy against coronavirus whereas a concentration of 0.05% was quite effective. 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate was basically ineffective (Table II). this is from the study on coronavirus on surfaces. Just in case anyone is looking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnerd Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: Hmm would you recommend that for anyone returning from Japan? Yes. Not only japan, but for anyone who flew from an Asian hub. I recommended my niece who had a stopover in Singapore (did not get out of airport at all) to do the same. In a flight, even the air that we breathe is recirculated and also this germ is known to live on surfaces for 9 hours. Better to do it because changing in the restroom in an airport is such a small effort to make and would take only a few minutes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Shandong province reports 202 new cases. All but 2 are in a prison where 7 guards and 200 inmates are infected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, mathnerd said: Yes. Not only japan, but for anyone who flew from an Asian hub. I recommended my niece who had a stopover in Singapore (did not get out of airport at all) to do the same. In a flight, even the air that we breathe is recirculated and also this germ is known to live on surfaces for 9 hours. Better to do it because changing in the restroom in an airport is such a small effort to make and would take only a few minutes. Ok my nephew is in Japan. I’ll pass this on. I doubt he’ll take it seriously but maybe . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I must admit something else i wondered but forgot to ask. Is the mass spraying of disinfectant via drone and truck likely to contribute to development of resistance? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: Shandong province reports 202 new cases. All but 2 are in a prison where 7 guards and 200 inmates are infected. From what intermediate I wonder. A guard who travelled from Hubei? I hope it isn’t traveling via birds or insects now. Edited February 21, 2020 by Pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, mathnerd said: Yes. Not only japan, but for anyone who flew from an Asian hub. I recommended my niece who had a stopover in Singapore (did not get out of airport at all) to do the same. In a flight, even the air that we breathe is recirculated and also this germ is known to live on surfaces for 9 hours. Better to do it because changing in the restroom in an airport is such a small effort to make and would take only a few minutes. It may live on surfaces for many days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pen said: From what intermediate I wonder. A guard who travelled from Hubei? I hope it isn’t traveling via birds or insects now. I believe one of the prison outbreaks related to a guard returned from Wuhan. Not sure if it was that one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Also the Chinese medical authority has stated that it is an airborne (presumptively meaning aerosol spread) virus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Apparently the Milan guy had dinner with some friends who returned from China at the end of January. 21 days ago. I wonder if we’re likely to see an uptick now. The travel bans started kicking in just after that. However if there’s a 14 day incubation, 1 week of mildish symptoms it’s probably around now through to next week that local transmission cases will start showing more serious symptoms that might lead to it being picked up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Chinese health authorities admit COVID-19 can be transmitted through aerosol - YouTube 1 day ago · #aerosol #coronavirus #China. ... Making a big U-turn on its previous announcement that there was no evidence to suggest aerosol transmission was possible, Chinese health authorities admitted for the first time on Wednesday that COVID-19 can spread through the air. ... ARIRANG NEWS [LIVE ... Novel coronavirus can transmit via aerosol: health authorities - Xinhua | English.news.cn 2 days ago · BEIJING, Feb. 19 (Xinhua) -- The novel coronavirus (COVID-19) can be transmitted when someone was exposed to high concentrations of ... China admits aerosol infection possible in coronavirus outbreak - Kyodo News 23 hours ago · China's health authorities have admitted that people may contract the pneumonia- causing COVID-19 coronavirus by inhaling small ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Tornado in Tokyo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyoffive Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Pen said: Tornado in Tokyo? What does this mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoeless Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: I must admit something else i wondered but forgot to ask. Is the mass spraying of disinfectant via drone and truck likely to contribute to development of resistance? If they rotate through disinfectant types, then probably not. Bleach can penetrate enveloped viruses like corona. The problem with bleach is that it can damage other surfaces, so it isn't necessarily a first choice disinfectant, depending on what needs cleaning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, mommyoffive said: What does this mean? I have my weather app with several cities around world—some where I know someone, some for just cuz I felt like it. App shows a tornado in Tokyo right now. I’m picturing wind whipping things about including the new virus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoeless Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said: Inactivation of coronaviruses by biocidal agents in suspension tests Ethanol (78–95%), 2-propanol (70–100%), the combination of 45% 2-propanol with 30% 1-propanol, glutardialdehyde (0.5–2.5%), formaldehyde (0.7–1%) and povidone iodine (0.23–7.5%) readily inactivated coronavirus infectivity by approximately 4 log10 or more. (Table II). Sodium hypochlorite required a minimal concentration of at least 0.21% to be effective. Hydrogen peroxide was effective with a concentration of 0.5% and an incubation time of 1 min. Data obtained with benzalkonium chloride at reasonable contact times were conflicting. Within 10 min a concentration of 0.2% revealed no efficacy against coronavirus whereas a concentration of 0.05% was quite effective. 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate was basically ineffective (Table II). this is from the study on coronavirus on surfaces. Just in case anyone is looking. So basically, you need bleach and Lysol, lol. Chlorhex is good for bacterial control. If you have an infected wound or gingivitis, chlorhex is great. Bleach is good for viruses. Results may vary with Lysol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I don’t know answer to disinfectant and resistance as regards the coronavirus. It may add to bacteria resistance while also killing off many innocent friendly bacteria. Maybe could also add to viral mutation? I think it’s a good question, especially if disinfection is being done more for appearances than for useful results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Pen said: Tornado in Tokyo? ??? I didn’t see any news report of tornado. https://www.jma.go.jp/en/typh/ https://www.jma.go.jp/en/warn/319.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said: Inactivation of coronaviruses by biocidal agents in suspension tests Ethanol (78–95%), 2-propanol (70–100%), the combination of 45% 2-propanol with 30% 1-propanol, glutardialdehyde (0.5–2.5%), formaldehyde (0.7–1%) and povidone iodine (0.23–7.5%) readily inactivated coronavirus infectivity by approximately 4 log10 or more. (Table II). I still have 91% rubbing alcohol and 70% rubbing alcohol in the house courtesy of leftovers from AP Chemistry. My husband use them for stubborn stains while I use them for minor cuts/wounds. Maybe I should get another bottle before people panic buy because they are great for stubborn stains. ETA: study link https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590088920300081 Edited February 21, 2020 by Arcadia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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