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Israel update:  New cases dramatically down, 13 in last 24 hours  Total of 16539 cases, 262 deaths.  There has been a gradual reopening since mid-April that accelerated about 10 days ago (when some kids went back to school) and numbers have continued to decline, but we're far from out of the woods yet.  And every official and expert says that a second wave is inevitable, the only question is when and how well the country will respond to it.    The hope is that any future closures would be much more localized.

I am finding it very difficult to evaluate personal risk right now.  In some ways it was easier when we all had to stay inside.

 

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DS got home 3 hours ago!  ❤️❤️

Update-  my youngest is not only short of breath, coughing, dizzy, nausaues, and with headache-  she is also confused.  I called our doctor and talked with him and she is going to be going to the ER.

Thought I'd post a pic of my dd, getting ready to spend another day in a coronavirus triage tent!  

My cousin’s husband (60) spent 13 days on a vent and a school friend (55) spent a month on a vent (in rehab now). My dd’s professor’s SIL had it and now needs a liver transplant. Those 3 are in 3 different countries.

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We have only recently had more available testing in my state. 

My husband's coworker tested positive (early 60's). She was in the ICU, and our state was testing ICU people at that time. She's finally home, but still recovering. My husband was not considered at risk, as they were auditing in different places at the time she was infectious. 

My husband's cousin got it during a trip from TX to FL. He was hospitalized as well, and he is in his 40's.

I only know of a brother of my friend directly outside of that. 

There has been such limited testing and is no communication about positives beyond the raw number here--it makes it hard to know how much risk there is in various activities. 

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We know people that have tested positive. They all live less than hour's drive of us. I don't have details about how sick they got or their recovery.

Dh has a friend who's uncle (60's) tested positive and will likely pass from it this week.

Ds#2 mows the lawn for a family that the mom (late 50's) tested positive this week.

Ds#4 had a friend on a rival sport's team whose mom (early 60's) test positive and was hospitalized for a week.  A mutual friend told me.

Ds#5 has a teammate (age 10) that tested positive and so did both parents (mid 30's) The grandpa told us.

I'm not on social media, if I was it might increase the amount of people that I know.

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19 minutes ago, whitehawk said:

My IgG antibody test came back today: negative. However, it was the LabCorp test, which has no accuracy information available yet, and my GP says she does think I've had Covid19. She's prescribing a nasal steroid as a last "let's go ahead and make sure we can say we tried everything reasonable at this level." She's putting in an order for a chest CT scan, and is referring me to a pulmonologist, who should call me by the end of the week. She warned me that the pulmonology people will have a squillion questions regarding both Covid19 risk and environmental triggers (no, I don't have a new pet/carpet/soap...).

Things that were already tried and did not give any sustained improvement: albuterol, wixela, azithromycin, claritin, prednisone, cough suppressant pearls. And of course I take vitamins C and D3--for all I know, I might've been worse without them, especially being indoors so much.

She also instructed me to up my water intake further (I'm going to turn on my phone's every-30-minute chimer) and to go for walks even if I have to pause because of the coughing, to support my general well-being. All my other blood work (liver function, inflammation, etc.) came back normal.

Today is day 67 of my cough with movement/exertion, and my heart rate is at times higher than it should be for sitting on my backside doing nothing, but my temperature has not been elevated in the last 10 days at all. My pulse ox reads 99, as always. ETA: I actually had DH put it on to see what he would get. 97.

 

You know, when I was born, after "It's a girl," the next thing said about me was, "Well, the lungs work!"

I had the Abbott Lab test.  Supposedly quite accurate. 

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51 minutes ago, whitehawk said:

My IgG antibody test came back today: negative. However, it was the LabCorp test, which has no accuracy information available yet, and my GP says she does think I've had Covid19. She's prescribing a nasal steroid as a last "let's go ahead and make sure we can say we tried everything reasonable at this level." She's putting in an order for a chest CT scan, and is referring me to a pulmonologist, who should call me by the end of the week. She warned me that the pulmonology people will have a squillion questions regarding both Covid19 risk and environmental triggers (no, I don't have a new pet/carpet/soap...).

Things that were already tried and did not give any sustained improvement: albuterol, wixela, azithromycin, claritin, prednisone, cough suppressant pearls. And of course I take vitamins C and D3--for all I know, I might've been worse without them, especially being indoors so much.

She also instructed me to up my water intake further (I'm going to turn on my phone's every-30-minute chimer) and to go for walks even if I have to pause because of the coughing, to support my general well-being. All my other blood work (liver function, inflammation, etc.) came back normal.

Today is day 67 of my cough with movement/exertion, and my heart rate is at times higher than it should be for sitting on my backside doing nothing, but my temperature has not been elevated in the last 10 days at all. My pulse ox reads 99, as always. ETA: I actually had DH put it on to see what he would get. 97.

 

You know, when I was born, after "It's a girl," the next thing said about me was, "Well, the lungs work!"

We have had a couple of patients who have tested negative but present like Covid and have ground glass opacities. It may well be false negative, however one Dr wondered about a different but similar strain/virus. 

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I was just reading an article about how the approach to putting Covid patients on ventilators has changed and it made me wonder how many lives that may have saved. Which led me to then wonder how many lives may have been saved by slowing the spread down enough so that less people got sick and got put on ventilators early on before the management changed.

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3 hours ago, happysmileylady said:

I don't know anyone who has been confirmed to have it, been hospitalized with it or died from it.  

 

I know one person who has had it.  He wasn't hospitalized and is long over it now.  

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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.11.088500v1
 

a hypothesis about the possible cause of the blood clotting complications 

“Abstract

Accumulating clinical observations suggest pathogenesis beyond viral pneumonia and its secondary consequences in COVID-19 patients. In particular, many patients develop profound hyperinflammation and hypercoagulopathy with disseminated thrombogenesis and thromboembolism, which we observe also in a Swedish COVID-19 intensive care patient cohort. To understand these vascular manifestations, it is important to establish the potential vascular entry point(s) of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, i.e. which vascular cell types express the SARS-CoV-2 receptor ACE2. We present data that ACE2 is specifically and highly expressed in microvascular pericytes, but absent from endothelial cells, perivascular macrophages and fibroblasts. Mice with pericyte ablation show increased expression and release of Von Willebrand Factor from microvascular endothelial cells, suggesting that pericytes orchestrate thrombogenic responses in neighboring endothelial cells. Identifying pericytes rather than endothelial cells as the ACE2-expressing cells in the vasculature may explain why hypertension, diabetes and obesity are risk factors for severe COVID-19 patients, as these conditions are characterized by an impaired endothelial barrier function, allowing SARS-CoV-2 to reach and infect the pericytes that are normally shielded from the blood behind an intact endothelial barrier. This novel COVID-19-pericyte hypothesis is testable, offers explanations for some of the most enigmatic and lethal aspects of COVID-19 and calls for further investigations into the possible benefits of preventive anticoagulant therapy.”

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https://amp.smh.com.au/world/north-america/wuhan-lab-phone-records-show-possible-shutdown-in-october-20200510-p54rid.html?__twitter_impression=true
 

not sure how much credibility this has but Sydney morning herald are reasonable usually I think

“Washington: US intelligence agencies are reportedly examining mobile phone data suggesting there could have been an emergency shutdown in October at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

According to a report, obtained by NBC News, there was no mobile phone activity in a high-security part of the Chinese laboratory complex from October 7 to 24. Previously, there had been consistent use of mobile phones.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology: Australian intelligence officials have no evidence suggesting it is the likely source of the virus.

The report, carried out by private experts, suggested there may have been a "hazardous event", specifically at the institute's National Biosafety Laboratory, between October 6 and 11. Analysis of mobile phone data from around the institute also suggested roadblocks were in place between October 14 and 19.

Experts urged caution, suggesting the report may be based on limited commercially available mobile phone data, and that there could be other reasons for varying levels of phone usage.”

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NZ opens up today. 

Business: All businesses are allowed to operate as long as they can meet social distancing rules of 1 meter.  If they can't (hairdressers, chiropractors, etc) then they must use PPE which is available to them through the government, and follow strict cleaning rules. Pools, badminton halls, libraries, etc will be open but with numbers limited to size of facility with social distancing. 

Schools: All schools will open Monday. The Ministry of Education is currently working with schools to lay out individualized plans.

Social: Five categories have been used.

1) If the goal is to stay with your own group and not interact with other groups (movies, restaurants, etc). These can open.  Group size restricted to 10, but the facility can have as many people as allowed under social distancing rules. So you could have 100 people in a movie theater because the individual groups don't desire to interact with other groups, and they will be socially distanced. 

2) If the goal is to socialize/interact with friends or acquaintances. (Churches, Weddings, birthday parties, etc). Group size restricted to 10. This means that churches can't open (unless for just 10 people) because the goal is to be *with* others and interact/socialize with them.  The churches are on board with this. 

3) If the goal is to socialize with strangers (bars). These are currently forbidden. When they open next week, they must follow the 3S rules: patrons must be seated, separated, and single server. Group size restricted to 10, but bars themselves can have multiple groups as long as 3S rules are followed.

4) Sports: Contact sports restricted to 10. Non-contact sports require social distancing. 

5) Funerals are a separate group because these life events cannot be delayed.  Group size restricted to 50, but with VERY strict social guidelines in place.  Things like no food or drink, staggered viewing, social distancing, etc.

One more thing:

The entire public has been asked to keep track of who they are in contact with. And all stores, cafes, restaurants, etc must keep a register of all people who are in the facility each day.  With a strict disposal schedule of 3 weeks. 

These policies will be reviewed in 2 weeks. 

 

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Some restaurants and bars have opened here.  We haven't gone.  But in a few weekends, the weekend after Memorial Day, we will be traveling to the beach and need to get food. I am not sure what we will do.  But we are going o a state park beach which will be a lot less crowded.

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17 minutes ago, TravelingChris said:

Some restaurants and bars have opened here.  We haven't gone.  But in a few weekends, the weekend after Memorial Day, we will be traveling to the beach and need to get food. I am not sure what we will do.  But we are going o a state park beach which will be a lot less crowded.

If you're really worried, bring fixings to make PB & J and fruit.  Or, MREs!!

I would worry more about touching the wrappers and dishes from carry out than any actual food ordered, bring your own plates and bring water to wash with and hand sanitizer and alcohol wipes.

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56 minutes ago, TravelingChris said:

[W]e will be traveling to the beach and need to get food. I am not sure what we will do.  But we are going o a state park beach which will be a lot less crowded.

We typically have to bring food everywhere--you can just pack a cooler as if restaurants are Not a Thing, if you prefer. Freeze some grapes, fill up the water bottles with ice water, gather up some fruit and sandwiches or other lunch stuff.

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Abc
Brazil has registered a record number of new cases of coronavirus, bringing its total count to nearly 190,000 infections.
   
The country has now surpassed France to become the sixth worst hit country in the world.
  
Some 13,000 people have died.
  
The economy ministry has predicted the Brazilian economy will contract by 4.7 per cent this year — the biggest annual fall since records began more than a century ago.
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So unemployment figures came in from April and surprisingly are only up 1per cent.   The true extent of the issue is probably somewhat worse as a lot of people are only employed thanks to the job keeper payment and many are working reduced hours.  Also apparently a lot of people stopped actively applying for work so don’t count.  Maybe that’s due to being higher risk or something I’m not sure or just figuring it’s not worthwhile.

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My county had its first no-new-cases day in 2 months! And our district attorney published a letter stating he would not enforce our stay at home order. Sigh.

Personal stats:
Friend from co-op tested positive 
My aunt’s new husband died, positive
Family friend died, positive
Family friend’s granddaughter tested positive
Cousin-in-law’s father tested positive and was in ICU
My grandmother died, don’t have full details yet
Multiple FB acquaintances (known irl) have lost people who’ve tested positive
Just learned a man I used to volunteer with in the community died, status unknown
My kids know people who work in the open stores who’ve had coworkers test positive

It’s a lot to wrap one’s mind around, and it’s a lot when I see videos of people in other areas walking around like normal. I mean, I get that their experience is different but I also know that I would have taken measures to avoid the whole thing (well, to the extent within my personal control) before it had a chance to take hold if I had been warned. (Mostly because I did before it was mandatory even though people thought I was crazy.) It just feels like living in a parallel universe.

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Good grief, Carrie, that's a terrible list.  I am so sorry about your grandmother.

I have two friends who were confirmed to have it, both have recovered.  A friend of a friend is also positive but is so far doing OK.  My son's friend's grandfather died as did the grandfather of one of DH's students.  A good friend of DH's has symptoms and is awaiting a test.

 

 

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13 hours ago, lewelma said:

NZ opens up today. 

Business: All businesses are allowed to operate as long as they can meet social distancing rules of 1 meter.  If they can't (hairdressers, chiropractors, etc) then they must use PPE which is available to them through the government, and follow strict cleaning rules. Pools, badminton halls, libraries, etc will be open but with numbers limited to size of facility with social distancing. 

Schools: All schools will open Monday. The Ministry of Education is currently working with schools to lay out individualized plans.

Social: Five categories have been used.

1) If the goal is to stay with your own group and not interact with other groups (movies, restaurants, etc). These can open.  Group size restricted to 10, but the facility can have as many people as allowed under social distancing rules. So you could have 100 people in a movie theater because the individual groups don't desire to interact with other groups, and they will be socially distanced. 

2) If the goal is to socialize/interact with friends or acquaintances. (Churches, Weddings, birthday parties, etc). Group size restricted to 10. This means that churches can't open (unless for just 10 people) because the goal is to be *with* others and interact/socialize with them.  The churches are on board with this. 

3) If the goal is to socialize with strangers (bars). These are currently forbidden. When they open next week, they must follow the 3S rules: patrons must be seated, separated, and single server. Group size restricted to 10, but bars themselves can have multiple groups as long as 3S rules are followed.

4) Sports: Contact sports restricted to 10. Non-contact sports require social distancing. 

5) Funerals are a separate group because these life events cannot be delayed.  Group size restricted to 50, but with VERY strict social guidelines in place.  Things like no food or drink, staggered viewing, social distancing, etc.

One more thing:

The entire public has been asked to keep track of who they are in contact with. And all stores, cafes, restaurants, etc must keep a register of all people who are in the facility each day.  With a strict disposal schedule of 3 weeks. 

These policies will be reviewed in 2 weeks. 

 

That seems ridiculous and anti-Christian that they allow movie theatres, but not churches.  Pretty sad state of affairs that churches are on board with this plan.  The Detroit area has been hard hit, but, thankfully, even here our Archbishop will start reopening Catholic Churches will start reopening the 19th with social distancing between family groups/masks at a capacity based on the size of the building....I believe 25%.  Our church has more seating capacity than most movie theatres I have been to in recent years.  People will likely be dismissed by row and not allowed to stand around and talk afterwards.  Masses outside are also encouraged so that the parish doesn’t have to clean as much.  Going to Mass is not just attending some social club and has more meaning than just going to interact with friends.

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2 hours ago, Carrie12345 said:

My county had its first no-new-cases day in 2 months! And our district attorney published a letter stating he would not enforce our stay at home order. Sigh.

Personal stats:
Friend from co-op tested positive 
My aunt’s new husband died, positive
Family friend died, positive
Family friend’s granddaughter tested positive
Cousin-in-law’s father tested positive and was in ICU
My grandmother died, don’t have full details yet
Multiple FB acquaintances (known irl) have lost people who’ve tested positive
Just learned a man I used to volunteer with in the community died, status unknown
My kids know people who work in the open stores who’ve had coworkers test positive

It’s a lot to wrap one’s mind around, and it’s a lot when I see videos of people in other areas walking around like normal. I mean, I get that their experience is different but I also know that I would have taken measures to avoid the whole thing (well, to the extent within my personal control) before it had a chance to take hold if I had been warned. (Mostly because I did before it was mandatory even though people thought I was crazy.) It just feels like living in a parallel universe.

Oh wow that’s rough 

I’m sorry about your grandmother 

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On 5/13/2020 at 6:51 AM, SKL said:

Similar here.  The closest I know is a facebook friend (whom I haven't met IRL) who has an elderly colleague who had been hospitalized but pulled through.  (I hope it stays that way.)  I don't even recall anyone being sick enough to stay home from work in the past several months.

I live in the Detroit area which was hit pretty hard and I still only know one person who has died.  Alas, he had pretty much everything going against him.  He was recently diagnosed with fairly advanced stomach cancer and caught corona at the hospital since the doctor decided to continue his chemotherapy.  His wife and family also were positive.  The kids were fine, his wife is home after a brief stay in the hospital and is recovering.  Beyond that my daughter worked with one priest in the Archdiocese on an AHG project who was hospitalized at the very beginning with coronavirus and recovered and a friend of mine’s in-laws were positive (the FIL has ALS so they were worried), but I don’t think they were hospitalized and they both are recovered.

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Personally and professionally I know multiple people who have been diagnosed with CV. At least five of my personal contacts (to include co-workers who are also friends) have been positively diagnosed  with CV, though fortunately none have been hospitalized. All of the people I know professionally (i.e., patients) have been admitted from the ERs. 

There are currently 22 medics in my system who are on mandatory quarantine. So far, three of them have tested positive. 

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2 hours ago, Mom2mthj said:

That seems ridiculous and anti-Christian that they allow movie theatres, but not churches.  Pretty sad state of affairs that churches are on board with this plan.  The Detroit area has been hard hit, but, thankfully, even here our Archbishop will start reopening Catholic Churches will start reopening the 19th with social distancing between family groups/masks at a capacity based on the size of the building....I believe 25%.  Our church has more seating capacity than most movie theatres I have been to in recent years.  People will likely be dismissed by row and not allowed to stand around and talk afterwards.  Masses outside are also encouraged so that the parish doesn’t have to clean as much.  Going to Mass is not just attending some social club and has more meaning than just going to interact with friends.

I don't think that it is anti-Christian to view worship services differently than movie theatres of the same capacity.

It aknowledges that religious worship gatherings are unique. Church services (and I imagine other religions too) have elements of closeness, warmth, and family-like behaviour. They involve celebration, worship, and even a shared eating experience that are completely absent among individuals who happen to be gathered in a room to view a screen.

If people want to, perhaps they could stream a worship service *using* a movie theatre as the venue. As long as the people acted like an audience (no singing along, no sharing the Lord's supper, etc) and didn't socialize afterwards (no matter how much the love one another and have missed each other), they could probably have that movie-theatre-equivalent experience. But, imagining that, I think we can all notice that it isn't a normal way to worship and/or go-to-mass. The normal ways we worship are different from the normal way we go to movies -- even if the group size was the same.

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Saw a news article today about antibody levels in Spain and France. Using the worldometer numbers of deaths for those countries and the percentages given in the article, you get a fatality rate of 0.91% for France and 1.16% for Spain (not sure why there is such a large discrepancy between worldometer’s number of deaths for France - over 27k - and the 16k cited in the article).

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1206821

 

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I've seen this in multiple places.  Is it true?  I don't have a link, but I've read that Cuomo took some action (some time ago) that required nursing homes to take in people who had tested positive for Covid19.  The results are unsurprising.

I'm so disappointed in how we've failed people in so many nursing homes.  If the focus had been on those people at highest risk, maybe the death toll would be a lot lower.

I am also concerned about new policies to move homeless people off the streets into buildings that involve living in close quarters.  What science indicates that being indoors in close quarters is protective from Covid19?

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Look for a surge in cases in Wisconsin in the near future. The governor's safer-at-home order was struck down as unconstitutional yesterday. Within an hour of the ruling, bars were open and packed. I live right over the border in Illinois and saw the Facebook pics this morning. People were packed in shoulder to shoulder and there was not a mask in sight, not even on the servers.

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9 minutes ago, SKL said:

I am also concerned about new policies to move homeless people off the streets into buildings that involve living in close quarters.  What science indicates that being indoors in close quarters is protective from Covid19?

I had the same thought about moving people from outside into potentially closer quarters inside, but thinking on it further, I’m thinking it’s difficult to impossible for somebody to self-isolate if they’re living on the street and needing to fend for themselves to find food, use facilities, etc. Around us, they are mostly using hotels for Covid positive people with no home, and I can see how people would be safer and at less risk of spreading illness if they have their own room versus living in a tent and camp and with many other people and no access to hygiene.

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15 minutes ago, SKL said:

I've seen this in multiple places.  Is it true?  I don't have a link, but I've read that Cuomo took some action (some time ago) that required nursing homes to take in people who had tested positive for Covid19.  The results are unsurprising.

I'm so disappointed in how we've failed people in so many nursing homes.  If the focus had been on those people at highest risk, maybe the death toll would be a lot lower.

I am also concerned about new policies to move homeless people off the streets into buildings that involve living in close quarters.  What science indicates that being indoors in close quarters is protective from Covid19?

Yes, Cuomo did that. So did PA's governor, while at the same time pulling her own mom out of a nursing home.

3 minutes ago, Selkie said:

Look for a surge in cases in Wisconsin in the near future. The governor's safer-at-home order was struck down as unconstitutional yesterday. Within an hour of the ruling, bars were open and packed. I live right over the border in Illinois and saw the Facebook pics this morning. People were packed in shoulder to shoulder and there was not a mask in sight, not even on the servers.

So I have seen a lot of times over the last few weeks (on Twitter especially) where people see an event or an opening of something and then say to look for the subsequent spike in cases. Are these spikes getting documented? Are they happening? 

How is Florida doing compared to NY? Is Georgia having spikes after they opened stuff before everyone else?

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8 minutes ago, EmseB said:

So I have seen a lot of times over the last few weeks (on Twitter especially) where people see an event or an opening of something and then say to look for the subsequent spike in cases. Are these spikes getting documented? Are they happening? 

How is Florida doing compared to NY? Is Georgia having spikes after they opened stuff before everyone else?

Here's one I just saw yesterday:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8317001/Reopened-Texas-sees-surge-new-COVID-19-cases.html

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7 minutes ago, EmseB said:

So I have seen a lot of times over the last few weeks (on Twitter especially) where people see an event or an opening of something and then say to look for the subsequent spike in cases. Are these spikes getting documented? Are they happening? 

 

It’s too soon to know. It’s expected to take about a month between social distancing behaviors changing and seeing the results.  Hopefully a lot of the places that have opened had low enough numbers before doing so that there won’t be a spike. Some places opened that did not have low numbers though, so that’s worrisome.

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The pediatric situation seems to be in the category of wondering how many strange cases does it take to get notice.  Now that it is getting recognized a bunch staff   of pediatric ICU s are saying they have had cases like that too.  

 

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15 minutes ago, Selkie said:

The graph on that seems like the new cases is remaining steady. The cumulative cases are increasing, yes. Until there are no new cases that's going to continue.

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6 minutes ago, Selkie said:

I'm having trouble reading that on my phone because of the ads, but what is a difference between a surge and a spike? I ask because our county has been in SIP since March and we are just now seeing cases go up. So I would say we are having a surge locally, but I don't know how that reads as a headline when the things Texas has opened up have been closed here the whole time. Also, Texas is huge, so it seems like it would be hard to know what's exactly going on with just state numbers?

Are we not expecting to see more cases after opening some things up? I guess this goes back to the old thread about are we flattening the curve or trying to stop the spread completely and how any of this gets reported.

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4 minutes ago, kand said:

It’s too soon to know. It’s expected to take about a month between social distancing behaviors changing and seeing the results.  Hopefully a lot of the places that have opened had low enough numbers before doing so that there won’t be a spike. Some places opened that did not have low numbers though, so that’s worrisome.

It seems that people often adjust their behavior despite, or without, official orders though. So if people perceive there to be a risk they may continue with measures to protect themselves and others. I saw an article that linked 70 cases of covid with the protest held in Wisconsin on April 24th I think. I wish there was someone keeping track and reporting these things without an agenda. The Daily Mail article linked above stated the number of cases per day for the last 5 days, in Texas but didn't say what they were before then, or at least I didn't see that - please correct me if it is there. If they were lower before then it would strengthen their case about what they think is happening, so it makes me suspicious that they haven't risen as much as they are trying to imply. Do they think we are stupid and won't notice an omission like that? Maybe I'm the stupid one lol and didn't see it but it was there.

I'm really worried about what is going to happen and it seems almost inevitable that it's not going to be good, but inaccurate and biased reporting don't help. Then again, I ask myself, why would the Daily Mail want to inflate figures? I guess to sell papers etc? I honestly hate what the media has become! It's so hard to sift through for truth.

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7 minutes ago, Pen said:

The pediatric situation seems to be in the category of wondering how many strange cases does it take to get notice.  Now that it is getting recognized a bunch staff   of pediatric ICU s are saying they have had cases like that too.  

 

My mom works in a hospital system here in the Midwest. On a call this morning, she was told our Children’s hospital has a few cases. They presented with the syndrome type stuff NYC has talked about and they all tested positive for Covid antibodies. So, I definitely think it’s going to start being noticed everywhere.

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31 minutes ago, EmseB said:

Yes, Cuomo did that. So did PA's governor, while at the same time pulling her own mom out of a nursing home.

So did NJ ( it wasn’t the governor but the health person).  Some here are calling for for those who did to be prosecuted for it.  It will be interesting to see how this is handled down the road or if they sweep it under the rug. 

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21 minutes ago, itsheresomewhere said:

So did NJ ( it wasn’t the governor but the health person).  Some here are calling for for those who did to be prosecuted for it.  It will be interesting to see how this is handled down the road or if they sweep it under the rug. 

This seems like such a horrible idea.  They should have had at least emptied one or more out and set aside just for Coronavirus patients with a dedicated staff.  It's been obvious for a while, that especially with the PPE problems, you can't contain it within a building with close quarters and staff going in/out like nursing homes (or cruise ships) have.

We've also had very bad outbreaks here in nursing homes, but the really bad ones I know about the nursing home staff was hiding it from the govt, and the state/town got wind of it and swooped in, and there are already multiple lawsuits.  I don't think there were sick patients transported in for those cases, but I'm not sure if it ever happened other places?  

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