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Another thought, we asked all people over 70 to self isolate 6 days before the full lockdown started.  So when our numbers were at 39.  So we may actually have kept them safe from the beginning. 

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New study on the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combo shows no benefit:

On Saturday, the F.D.A. approved hydroxychloroquine and a related medication, chloroquine, for emergency use. Advocates for the cocktail argue that desperate diseases require desperate measures. But a study published on Tuesday, led by Jean-Michel Molina, an infectious-diseases expert at Hôpital Saint-Louis, in Paris, reports that, when prescribed in the same regimen as was followed in Marseille, the cocktail shows no benefit. This should give us serious pause before we rush into widespread use of prescription medications for sars-CoV-2 and covid-19. These drugs can have serious side effects, particularly in people most vulnerable to the virus: the elderly and those with heart problems.

 

link to the NYer article

Link to original study 

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1 minute ago, Arcadia said:

Test results are not immediate where I am and also in my country of origin. Turnaround time for test results are getting faster though. Some mild cases were also tested after they already have symptoms for a week. 

Interesting.  We were testing people coming off the planes and turn around was 48 hours.  So not the same situation. 

Our lower hospitalization numbers could be due to those two things described above: international travel (so healthier subset) and locking down the seniors before community spread began. It will be interesting to see how bad our numbers get, crossing fingers that they don't! 

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7 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Hadn't thought of that.  Yes, all early cases were linked to international travel, so yes a healthier subset of the population.  Thanks!

This happened in Germany as well, and to some extent South Korea -- an oversampling of young, healthy travelers. The fact that their rates have continued to inch up (both are over 1% now, despite starting considerably lower) is alarming from my perspective. 

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1 minute ago, lewelma said:

Interesting.  We were testing people coming off the planes and turn around was 48 hours.  So not the same situation. 

Our lower hospitalization numbers could be due to those two things described above: international travel (so healthier subset) and locking down the seniors before community spread began. It will be interesting to see how bad our numbers get, crossing fingers that they don't! 

Also potentially coming off summer and higher vit d levels?  No guarantees of course but may help.  

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56 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

🙂 🍕Manhattan, NY @TCB@square_25

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/pizzeria-makes-hundreds-of-free-pizzas-for-ny-hospitals-everyday-so-landlord-gives-free-rent/2266148/

“The owners and employees at one Manhattan pizza shop are making pies like their lives depended on it — because they know that other people's lives probably do.

All of the pizza getting made at Sauce Pizzeria — as many as 400 per day — are going straight to hospitals to feed health care workers pulling 14- or even 18-hour shifts as they remain on the front lines of the COVID-19 fight.

Many of those nurses, doctors, and other medical staffers are so swamped helping patients every single day, many don't have a moment to spare to grab something to eat.

...

Elzer got the idea to feed health care workers after a nurse friend told him she didn’t have time to eat lunch one day. Now Sauce is delivering from their East Village location to 40 different hospitals in all five boroughs — even as far north as Westchester. 

And all for free.

"Basically anywhere that we get a note from a nurse or a doctor telling us that they’re in need, we figure out a way to get them on the schedule and then we deliver to that hospital," Elzer said.

The inspirational giving doesn't stop there. When Elzer's landlord heard what he was doing at the pizza shop, he jumped into help — freezing rent payments for the next three months.

"I saw what Adam was doing on social media honestly and when we noticed what he was doing it was very clear that we needed to help him," said Ben Kraus of A&E Real Estate Management. The group also donated more than $20,000 to help Adam get more pizzas to more medical workers.

"We set up Adam with logistics to be able to deliver en mass to hospitals all over New York City," Krause said.

Elzer and Krause said they are hoping to inspire other businesses and landlords around the city and the country to do the same — a national effort to feed the people who are desperately trying to save us all.”

Pizza is such a good food for these situations. Doesn't even matter if it gets cold. We have days at work in ICU anyway when it's too busy to eat and the ICU dr on call will buy pizza for everyone so they can at least grab it as they go by. I can imagine it is great in these circumstances. What a great way for this guy to help. I read an account by a dr in NY and he mentioned working long hours and only being able to grab pizza now and again - wonder if it was from this pizza place? It is really heart warming to see everyone helping each other like they are!

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5 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Interesting.  We were testing people coming off the planes and turn around was 48 hours.  So not the same situation. 

Our lower hospitalization numbers could be due to those two things described above: international travel (so healthier subset) and locking down the seniors before community spread began. It will be interesting to see how bad our numbers get, crossing fingers that they don't! 

I hope they don't get bad :-). That would be very positive. 

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2 minutes ago, TCB said:

Pizza is such a good food for these situations. Doesn't even matter if it gets cold. We have days at work in ICU anyway when it's too busy to eat and the ICU dr on call will buy pizza for everyone so they can at least grab it as they go by. I can imagine it is great in these circumstances. What a great way for this guy to help. I read an account by a dr in NY and he mentioned working long hours and only being able to grab pizza now and again - wonder if it was from this pizza place? It is really heart warming to see everyone helping each other like they are!

We've been getting pizza in NY, although not from this place :-). Mmmmm, pizza! 

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5 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:


Yep. YOU GET A MASK! You get a mask! everybody gets a mask!! The Chinese may have lied about a number of things but their citizens, even the kids now allowed out, are still required to wear masks. I always watch what they *DO* not what they say.

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10 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:


Yep. YOU GET A MASK! You get a mask! everybody gets a mask!! The Chinese may have lied about a number of things but their citizens, even the kids now allowed out, are still required to wear masks. I always watch what they *DO* not what they say.

People here are also watching the body language of politicians and county health officials when they give press conferences. 

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1 hour ago, square_25 said:

Do you know if they are already running antibody tests elsewhere? I know they were talking about in NY, but I don't know if it's actually happening. 

I haven't heard of any other being this close to actually being useful.

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3 hours ago, mumto2 said:

Oakland County Mi has numbers has numbers almost as large as Wayne(Detroit).  I lived there for years.......Oakland is the exact opposite of Wayne in terms of demographics.  The very  Wealthy combined with middle class.  Large lots, nice houses, healthy life styles..........they are being hit possibly harder than Detroit........Both sitting right under 2000 cases with Oakland having more deaths......very possibly Oakland has more elderly, but don’t know.   Northern Michigan areas with a large number of second homes, primarily SE Mi and Chicago are are rising quickly.  People fled there and brought it with them....my extended family is there.  Second death in Traverse City today.  Politically some odd decisions like banning treatment with hydrocorzone treatment which just got reversed last night.  SE Michigan is hurting........scared for Northern Michigan because the hospitals are not meant for numbers of critically ill, TC is probably it.

I currently live in Oakland county.  Yes there are the super wealthy and upper middle class, but you also have areas bordering Detroit and Pontiac that would not be considered wealthy.  Areas like Oak Park are mostly Orthodox Jewish and West Bloomfield is less Orthodox, but both with ties to New York.  The other thing to consider with the numbers is the City of Detroit has its own health department and reports its own numbers.  So the 2858 cases and 101 deaths in Detroit is for a population of 675,000.  Wayne County is showing 2221 cases and 93 deaths.  I believe Wayne County minus Detroit is about 1,100,000 population.  Oakland County has 2183 cases and 119 deaths with a population of 1,250,00.  Looking at cases by zip code the highest rates are in Southfield and Oak Park.

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I just saw that EMTs can't bring anybody in cardiac arrest that they weren't able to revive to a hospital in NYC.  They need to just leave them.😢

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2 hours ago, lewelma said:

 We are not doing randomized tests -- all tests were from contact tracing and required (up until yesterday) that the person be both symptomatic and have contacts to infected person. So targeted testing for the purpose of controlling spread. 

If tests only went to people with travel & contact up until now, it is possible there is community spread (mild) cases that haven't shown up. Unlikely in NZ's case, but possible.

2 hours ago, lewelma said:

How can we have more recovered today than cases from 14 days ago? You only know someone is recovered if they were known to have it, so clearly they are recovering faster than 14 days. I'm unclear then why the rate should be deaths today compared to cases 14 days ago. Is it that healthy people are recovering faster,  and sick people take a long time? 

Like @Arcadia said, they could have tested them after the person had already been positive for a week. I'm assuming "recovered" means testing negative at least twice, but I'm unsure what the procedure is for NZ. China found some people (small percentage) tested negative twice and then tested positive again. Not sure how many might have been false negatives, false positives, reinfection, sampling error, contamination in the testing lab, or something else. 

It does seem like some cases resolve quickly (for better or worse) while some can take 30 days to die. 

1 hour ago, J-rap said:

I haven't heard of any other being this close to actually being useful.

The COVID tracking Project that I mentioned previously has a link to more information about vendors trying to develop the antibody tests. Here is their tweet with a lot of diffetent info: https://mobile.twitter.com/COVID19Tracking/status/1245753521791741953

Here is a link to their knowledge base about antibody testing: https://airtable.com/shrGVEvpWp12RyLAI/tbl4Odk31um8HYSND/viw6ZTA41rEgliH5O?blocks=hide

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Many more vendors have notified the FDA that they have validated their tests; expand the "Q: What serology tests..." header at

https://fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/faqs-diagnostic-testing-sars-cov-2#offeringtests to see the full list.

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I keep thinking about the 21 million cell phone cancellations, so might as well just say it. Besides the other reasons given for cancelled numbers, I wonder if some are cancelled due to being whistleblowers. For a while, we were *impressed* by how much the gov was allowing criticism on Chinese social media (yes, a lot was deleted, but a lot made it through). Cancelling someone's number is a huge punishment, since really nothing can be done without a cell phone...

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Here is one example of someone who provided blood samples (which were negative) for one of the antibody tests being developed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1243643016956366848

A thread about having my #COVID19 test and serology today (all in 1) from blood in ~15 minutes. Picture of my sample which put on a dedicated chip and optically analyzed for coronavirus proteins and antibodies vs controls. 

This was at Genalyte, a SanDiego company which has been doing immunoassays on such chips for several years, now adapted to #COVID19 in past 2 weeks. This can be displayed in real-time as the assays are in progress.

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Acting U.S. Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Captain Brett Crozier exercised poor judgement in writing the letter about coronavirus outbreak on USS Theodore Roosevelt and has been removed from command https://reut.rs/2R7hwUk

What do the hive think about this?

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14 minutes ago, Renai said:

I keep thinking about the 21 million cell phone cancellations, so might as well just say it. Besides the other reasons given for cancelled numbers, I wonder if some are cancelled due to being whistleblowers. For a while, we were *impressed* by how much the gov was allowing criticism on Chinese social media (yes, a lot was deleted, but a lot made it through). Cancelling someone's number is a huge punishment, since really nothing can be done without a cell phone...

 

I think that anything is a possibility with that government.  But I also had to note that in the article, it said that China had a certain number of phones.  I can't remember how many, but it was more than 100 million more phones than it has people.  And I assume the "everyone has to have a phone" thing doesn't apply to babies and toddlers.  Which means that there were a lot of people with more than one phone, maybe because of work reasons, or as the article said because they lived in one place and worked in another.  

That makes me wonder if the "you can't cancel a cell phone" rule applies if you have multiple phones, and how many of those second or third phones were employment rated and may have been cancelled due to an economic crisis.  

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3 minutes ago, CuriousMomof3 said:

 

I think that anything is a possibility with that government.  But I also had to note that in the article, it said that China had a certain number of phones.  I can't remember how many, but it was more than 100 million more phones than it has people.  And I assume the "everyone has to have a phone" thing doesn't apply to babies and toddlers.  Which means that there were a lot of people with more than one phone, maybe because of work reasons, or as the article said because they lived in one place and worked in another.  

That makes me wonder if the "you can't cancel a cell phone" rule applies if you have multiple phones, and how many of those second or third phones were employment rated and may have been cancelled due to an economic crisis.  

I have also seen it jokingly said that it’s all the men cancelling the “secret wife’s” phones because it’s not worth paying when you can’t see her anyway.  

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1 minute ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I have also seen it jokingly said that it’s all the men cancelling the “secret wife’s” phones because it’s not worth paying when you can’t see her anyway.  

The long running gossip is that Hongkongers’ “concubines” are in Shenzhen. 

5 minutes ago, CuriousMomof3 said:

 

I think that anything is a possibility with that government.  But I also had to note that in the article, it said that China had a certain number of phones.  I can't remember how many, but it was more than 100 million more phones than it has people.  And I assume the "everyone has to have a phone" thing doesn't apply to babies and toddlers.  Which means that there were a lot of people with more than one phone, maybe because of work reasons, or as the article said because they lived in one place and worked in another.  

China has SIM cards for tourists, just like US and Australia. 

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32 minutes ago, Renai said:

I keep thinking about the 21 million cell phone cancellations, so might as well just say it. Besides the other reasons given for cancelled numbers, I wonder if some are cancelled due to being whistleblowers. 

I wondered if some of them were how the citizen journalists were getting the word out about what was going on via an extra phone & those were being tracked down & shut off.

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@mathnerd SF Bay Area

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/04/02/coronavirus-update-bay-area-health-officials-recommend-covering-face-when-leaving-home/

REDWOOD CITY (CBS SF) — Marking a shift in previous instructions, Bay Area health officials on Thursday started recommending residents cover their nose and mouth with cloth when leaving home for essential travel such as doctor appointments and grocery shopping.

The regional recommendation was made in alignment with new guidance from the California Department of Public Health.

The joint release by Bay Area health departments noted the face coverings do not have to be hospital grade but need to cover the nose and mouth. For example, bandanas, fabric masks and neck gaiters are acceptable.

...

Health officials do not recommend that the public use medical masks (N-95 or surgical masks), which are in limited supply and must be preserved for our health care workers andfirst responders.

Previously, local officials were not recommending the large-scale use of face coverings, but circumstances have changed.

“In addition to shelter-in-place and social distancing requirements, wearing a mask in public is an important tool to stop the community spread of this disease,” said San Mateo County Health Officer Dr. Scott Morrow. “People with no visible symptoms or mild symptoms may have coronavirus and not know it. Wearing face coverings helps protect others from exposure.””

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10 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

The long running gossip is that Hongkongers’ “concubines” are in Shenzhen. 

China has SIM cards for tourists, just like US and Australia. 

 

Yep, that too, and the decline in tourism would mean a decline.

I guess that all I'm really saying is that the numbers imply something different from the "China is 1:1 people to phones and so 21 million phones turned off means 21 million dead people" narrative that I keep hearing.  I think there is probably a connection between the phones and COVID, and I am sure the Chinese government lies, but I doubt that it's as a simple as every phone belongs to a COVID victim.

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Well. Maybe for the first time I will be ahead of a trend. 😉. I was the only one wearing a mask at my midwives today. 

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40 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Acting U.S. Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Captain Brett Crozier exercised poor judgement in writing the letter about coronavirus outbreak on USS Theodore Roosevelt and has been removed from command https://reut.rs/2R7hwUk

What do the hive think about this?

 

I am pissed beyond measure. I cannot say that in my public capacity as a Navy O spouse but...yeah...we all know he got screwed. He didn't leak the letter. Someone else did. He's being punished for having too broad a distribution list. He's going to pay the price for someone else's cowardice. God bless him. Sailors will live as a result.

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This horse auction was allowed to happen today in Iowa. Hundreds of people from several states attended, most of them Amish. 

https://www.kcci.com/article/hundreds-attend-horse-auction-despite-covid-19-concerns/32020446

Gov. Kim Reynolds said Wednesday livestock auctions are exempt from social gathering guidelines because they are part of the food chain supply.

😡

 

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Bno:  Brazil has determined that a woman who died on January 23 was infected with coronavirus, more than a month before South America's first confirmed case - G1

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2 hours ago, Mom2mthj said:

I currently live in Oakland county.  Yes there are the super wealthy and upper middle class, but you also have areas bordering Detroit and Pontiac that would not be considered wealthy.  Areas like Oak Park are mostly Orthodox Jewish and West Bloomfield is less Orthodox, but both with ties to New York.  The other thing to consider with the numbers is the City of Detroit has its own health department and reports its own numbers.  So the 2858 cases and 101 deaths in Detroit is for a population of 675,000.  Wayne County is showing 2221 cases and 93 deaths.  I believe Wayne County minus Detroit is about 1,100,000 population.  Oakland County has 2183 cases and 119 deaths with a population of 1,250,00.  Looking at cases by zip code the highest rates are in Southfield and Oak Park.

Thanks, I missed the separation of Wayne and Detroit when I glanced at the numbers.  I also forgot about Pontiac and realized it after I had turned things off for a couple hours was planning to come back and amend.  We lived close to Pontiac and I think I didn’t think of it  because I was so used to it as I worked there for years.  Interesting regarding the Southfield and Oak Park having the highest numbers.  I hadn’t thought about the Orthodox ties with New York in those communities.  Hubby grew up in Southfield..   

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19 hours ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

?  Jigsaw, puzzle and jigsaw puzzle are used interchangeably. 

I’ve never in my life just called it a jigsaw.  I’m sure it’s a regional thing.

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1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Acting U.S. Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Captain Brett Crozier exercised poor judgement in writing the letter about coronavirus outbreak on USS Theodore Roosevelt and has been removed from command https://reut.rs/2R7hwUk

What do the hive think about this?

Appalling, but I think it might be violating the no politics on the board.  

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29 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Bno:  Brazil has determined that a woman who died on January 23 was infected with coronavirus, more than a month before South America's first confirmed case - G1

I think it’s been in some of these areas much longer than testing has shown so far, just because the deaths would look like almost any other viral death in flu season 😞

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1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Acting U.S. Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Captain Brett Crozier exercised poor judgement in writing the letter about coronavirus outbreak on USS Theodore Roosevelt and has been removed from command https://reut.rs/2R7hwUk

What do the hive think about this?

Sounds like he didn't go up the chain of command, and didn't safeguard his email from being leaked, even if he didn't leak it himself.  I don't see how he WOULD'T have been relieved of command, honestly.  

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5 hours ago, SanDiegoMom in VA said:

Sounds like he didn't go up the chain of command, and didn't safeguard his email from being leaked, even if he didn't leak it himself.  I don't see how he WOULD'T have been relieved of command, honestly.  

The article specifically says that he did send it up the chain of command, but Modly felt he did not do enough to prevent recipients from possibly leaking it, which "raised alarm bells unnecessarily," and that's why he was relieved of command. There are over 100 sailors on the ship infected with CV — sounds to me like alarm bells are pretty justified. Senator Mark Warner said Crozier was a patriot doing his job out of concern for his crew and shouldn't be punished for that.

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On 4/1/2020 at 4:40 PM, gardenmom5 said:

and . . . .

 

Josie Wright, 33, was taken into custody for stealing the masks and other medical supplies from Bassett Medical Center in Cooperstown. 

 

  you know other people are doing it too at other locations.  (just like the guys price gouging in TN weren't the only ones - they just went public to whine about not being able to sell their $1 bottles of sanitizer for $70.)  disgusting people.

You know, I wondered if this was what the president was thinking about earlier this week (or last week?) at one of the daily briefings.  It didn't strike me that he was accusing doctors and nurses, but rather that someone with access to supplies might be looking to make some money. 

Agree with you -- despicable that someone would do such a thing in NYC right now.  

(Sorry.  In NY -- upstate.) 

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1 hour ago, TracyP said:

I can't read this. Does it attempt to estimate how many cases are being missed?

No.  It’s not official data but a couple of doctors saying in their experience about 1/3.  

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6 hours ago, J-rap said:

Here's some interesting news:

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/01/mayo-clinic-expects-covid19-antibody-test-to-be-ready-monday?fbclid=IwAR2-LTa3XWX_gZ8AuWq53HbayF8lA92-0TUUtHTwmj3tkmcJdbIvHUKiSrI

"Researchers at Mayo Clinic expect to release a test that would tell whether a person has had and recovered from COVID-19 on Monday."

 

Yay! Let’s hope it becomes widely available in a reasonable amount of time.

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ABC - well this is an unusual way to manage social distancing 
 

Peru splits population by gender to reduce coronavirus spread

 

Peru has copied Panama in imposing unusual quarantine measures, separating citizens by gender in an attempt to slow 
the spread of coronavirus.

 

From next week, men will be allowed out of their homes on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.

 

Women will be allowed out for essential shopping on Tuesday, Thursdays and Saturdays.

 

No-one can leave home on Sunday. Peru's president says the goal is to reduce the number of people on the streets.

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@Pen

easy to understand clip for your son and anyone else. The first 2:40mins have the simulation for coughing and sneezing. UK guideline for social distancing is 2m, WHO is 1m (according to the clip)

 

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@mathnerd county finally updated the dashboard so now we have 3 dashboards to look at instead of one. The average turnaround time for test results is still slow.

 

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46 minutes ago, DoraBora said:

You know, I wondered if this was what the president was thinking about earlier this week (or last week?) at one of the daily briefings.  It didn't strike me that he was accusing doctors and nurses, but rather that someone with access to supplies might be looking to make some money. 

Agree with you -- despicable that someone would do such a thing in NYC right now.   

I know people who were in business in new York.  they personally knew people who got their supplies "because they fell off the back of a truck".  it's not just a meme.

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Japanese scientists demonstrate how droplets work. They have a voice over and english subtitle setting work as well.IMG_3384.thumb.png.9dddb83eff2db533fb03844dfa3df31b.png

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25 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

@Pen

easy to understand clip for your son and anyone else. The first 2:40mins have the simulation for coughing and sneezing. UK guideline for social distancing is 2m, WHO is 1m (according to the clip)

 

 

I forwarded it to him — I think he’ll especially like the special pictures of cough and sneeze droplet movement. 

The part that comes after the coughing special camera pictures etc with caterers in UK supplying meals is also good! 

 

And the clapping etc thank you at the end 👌

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