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@vonfirmath@Sk8ermaiden@Æthelthryth the Texan

https://abc7news.com/health/28-students-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-mexico-trip/6065814/

“AUSTIN, Texas -- Twenty-eight spring breakers who recently went on a trip to Mexico are self-isolating after testing positive for coronavirus, according to the Austin Public Health Department.

Health officials said a group of about 70 students in their 20s took a chartered plane to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico about a week and a half ago.

A total of 28 students have tested positive for the virus and dozens more are under a public health investigation. The county said four of the confirmed cases did not present any symptoms.”

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Minnesota 🙂

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/state-trooper-pulled-over-doctor-speeding-instead-ticket-he-gave-n1172971

“A cardiologist who was pulled over for speeding on a Minnesota interstate said she was deeply touched when the trooper gave her face masks instead of a ticket.

Sarosh Ashraf Janjua wrote in a Facebook post Friday that when a Minnesota state trooper pulled her over and looked at her Massachusetts license, he asked her what she was doing so far from home.

She told him that she travels to the state every month to work as a fill-in cardiologist.

... The Minnesota State Patrol has shared on Facebook that more people were speeding and driving aggressively in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic. "Col. Matt Langer is asking Minnesota motorists to do their part to make sure hospital beds are available for those dealing with COVID-19," MSP said in a statement.

... "It wasn’t until my hand had closed around what he was giving me that its unexpected bulkiness drew my eyes to it," she wrote. "Five N95 masks, from the supply the state had given him for his protection."

... A statement that the state patrol shared with NBC News said the trooper who gave Janjua his masks was Trooper Brian Schwartz. Janjua told him that she was working as a cardiologist at a quarantine unit in Duluth, and he noticed two used masks in her bag, which led him to believe she was reusing them.

"Trooper Schwartz said he heard there was a shortage of personal protective equipment (PPE) and thought Ashraf could use the extra masks," the statement said. "Troopers are working hard during the pandemic and are thinking about all the first responders who are caring for Minnesotans during this critical time."

On Facebook, the state patrol thanked Janjua for "her hard work and dedication."

Janjua said she was worried about running out of PPE during the pandemic "like all healthcare workers and emergency responders around the world."

"And in my darkest moments, have worried about what would happen if I fell sick far from home," Janjua shared.

"This complete stranger, who owed me nothing and is more on the front lines than I am, shared his precious masks with me, without my even asking," she wrote. "We are going to be ok.”

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1 hour ago, mlktwins said:

I don't feel bad for these people at all!  What the heck were they thinking?!?!?  And...the US is going to take this on?  Really???  

I would love a vacation too, but will not be travelling for quite a while at this point.

I think, if they survive, and don't die at sea within sight of land that has no compassion on their inability to take the warnings of March 7th as seriously as they would have at a later date... I can pretty much guarantee that they will never willingly set foot on a ship again. They will have seen enough suffering for a hundred lifetimes.

Nobody needs the US to "take this on" -- simply quarantine them until they can be loaded onto repatriation flights to their own countries like everybody else who accidentally got stuck in the wrong country when the world's microbiology went to hell at light speed. Maybe the ship should just sail around the world dropping off each passenger at their country of origin like a school bus? What else are they going to do?

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3 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

how many are there compared to how many ventilators there are?  what's involved in making them and how soon could someone make enough quantity and ship them to various hospitals?

Good questions. I wish I knew the answers.  

I've been interested in hearing about how many hospitalized people with covid are on ventilators...a daily count like the daily death count.  But I've never heard any reports like this on the news, only the concern that there won't be enough.  I've heard the CEO from Evergreen Hospital on MIchael Medved's show a few times since he's the father of Medved's producer.  He has never indicated a crisis situation due to a lack of ventilators, but that things are kind of quiet there because so many surgeries have been canceled. 

I hope there are enough ventilators for the patients who need them.  I have no idea how long it takes to make new ones, but it would be good to have alternatives like the hemolung...especially if someone has to be on a machine for an extended time.  But that's something else I don't know...how long do people typically need to be on a ventilator.  Days or weeks?

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

That's interesting, but it penalizes rural people for the fact that nothing is close by.  For example, some of my relatives have to drive a number of miles to get to the nearest grocery store.  And those who have jobs (that happen to be health care related) are driving about an hour each way to work, which is their norm.  It's not like they can do anything about that.  These folks are not out partying.

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This reminds me of the scene in The Great Brain book series where the healthy kids had to sleep in the same bed as the infected kid(s) so they all would contract the chicken pox at the same time. I've actually thought about this scene several times during this pandemic. I don't think I'd be trying it.

21 hours ago, Arcadia said:

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https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/52091905

“Red Bull motorsport boss Helmut Marko said he advised his drivers to become infected with coronavirus while the season is in hiatus.

The 76-year-old said he had the idea to bring his Formula 1 drivers and juniors together in a camp, which "would be the ideal time for the infection to come".

"They are all strong young men in good health. That way they would be prepared whenever the action starts," he said.”

 

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18 minutes ago, Laurie said:

Good questions. I wish I knew the answers.  

I've been interested in hearing about how many hospitalized people with covid are on ventilators...a daily count like the daily death count.  But I've never heard any reports like this on the news, only the concern that there won't be enough.  I've heard the CEO from Evergreen Hospital on MIchael Medved's show a few times since he's the father of Medved's producer.  He has never indicated a crisis situation due to a lack of ventilators, but that things are kind of quiet there because so many surgeries have been canceled. 

I hope there are enough ventilators for the patients who need them.  I have no idea how long it takes to make new ones, but it would be good to have alternatives like the hemolung...especially if someone has to be on a machine for an extended time.  But that's something else I don't know...how long do people typically need to be on a ventilator.  Days or weeks?

 

 

worldmeters has how many are critical in each country or state. (so, I would assume more than "just" being hospitalized.)  this is a separate number from active cases.

ventilators have moving parts, and they break.   Italy was having that issue - and they couldn't get new valves to fix them.   so, each week they had fewer ventilators available to treat patients.  some intrepid person figured out how to 3D print the broken parts and they were able to fix them.

incidentally - locally, someone was 3D printing frames for the face shields, then using marine grade vinyl to make them.

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24 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

 This is a load of crap.  In my state the A's are in the cities.  Well, yes, of course.  Your grocery store is .5 miles away. My county got a D.  Here it is 12 miles to the grocery store or 30 miles to Sam's each way.  

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26 minutes ago, square_25 said:


As I’ve said earlier in the thread, I think “excess deaths over the same period last year” will be the correct statistic.

except motor vehicle accidental deaths will go down this year.  even if it's just a few months, people are driving fewer miles and with fewer people on the road- there simply won't be as many accidents.

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@Laurie@gardenmom5@Pen@mathnerd@square_25

https://fortune.com/2020/03/31/coronavirus-ventilators-shortage-production-covid-19-medical-supplies/

“Fortune: Where are you seeing specific constraints in the supply chain for making ventilators?

Carlson: Inside any medical device, you'll have a bunch of common components that you could buy off the shelf, and then a few very custom components that we’ll spend a lot of time making sure we have a supply of. For ventilators, it’s typically components relating to the pump system and the valve where you’ll find the [supply-chain] bottleneck. 

What else is holding back manufacturers from producing medical equipment in time to meet U.S. demand? 

The final testing of the products usually requires very specific equipment. Being able to rapidly scale that test is another area that can be a constraint. For something like a ventilator, you'll have an artificial-type lung that the device has to be tested against, to make sure that it has the right flow rate, the right pressure control. Those pieces of the test equipment can be pretty elaborate. Duplicating them is something that we jump on very quickly to make sure that not only can we get the parts, but can we assemble them and [make sure] they perform as they're intended.

Shortages of ventilators and N95 masks have gotten a lot of attention. What other kinds of medical devices are you seeing particular need for?

Oxygen concentrators, or a [basic] portable system to generate oxygen for patients with compromised lung function. When you're in a hospital there's a bunch of infrastructure built into it: You've got vacuum systems in the wall. You've got oxygen. You've got I.V. systems. But now they're trying to put patients into hotel rooms and dorm rooms and any place you can to keep them out of the hospital—and none of that infrastructure exists in a hotel room. So some of those basic supplies, as well as simple things like hospital beds, are products where we’re seeing an increase in demand. 

Flex manufactures medical devices around the world, but this pandemic has had equally global reach. How have your operations—and your employees—been affected?

We screen their temperatures before they come in the plant. We issued them masks. We check on them regularly. We're putting in systems and processes to allow them to maintain appropriate distances. We learned a lot with our manufacturing environment in China in February. All this started over the Chinese New Year, where many of our employees [were traveling] and then they were locked down and prevented from coming back. But over the last several weeks, we’ve been able to bring it back and we're back to basically full production across all of our China facilities.

The United States has less than 20% of the ventilators it might need for hospitalized coronavirus patients, according to some estimates. Can you and your partners ramp up in time?

[Long pause.] I don’t know how to answer that. Typically a program like this would take anywhere from 12 to 24 months, and what used to be months we're now getting done in days and weeks. We will do enough that it can have a significant impact on the lives of many people. I just don't know how to quantify if it’s fast enough. It'll never be fast enough—because if there's someone today who doesn't have a product, then we're not fast enough.”

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4 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

except motor vehicle accidental deaths will go down this year.  even if it's just a few months, people are driving fewer miles and with fewer people on the road- there simply won't be as many accidents.

At least here, the year to date all causes mortality statistics are notably lower than over the previous ten years.  The trajectory of the line was tracking and then went way low, which isn’t really surprising.  Flu deaths have also dropped.

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4 minutes ago, Happymomof1 said:

 This is a load of crap.  In my state the A's are in the cities.  Well, yes, of course.  Your grocery store is .5 miles away. My county got a D.  Here it is 12 miles to the grocery store or 30 miles to Sam's each way.  

 

Yeah, that's what I wondered too.  My county got an A.  Because in my dense inner ring suburb, the area the thing that people travel long distances to is work.  So now, with few people working, everything else they need is super close.   If I did go out to the grocery store, or the pharmacy, or church, we could walk to all those places easily.  But in doing so I'd probably pass more people than Happymomof1 would driving the 12 miles.  

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Good-ish news from Israel: the rate of new infections is significantly slower than it was a week ago. 

Bad news: all tine high (663) of new cases today.  5358 cases, 20 deaths. 

8000 people tested today.  New infections are increasingly concentrated in several hotspots and reports are that at least one of them will be cordoned off soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@Arcadia  we have a local company that makes ventilators they have stated they have the capacity to up their production from 100 per month to 1000 per month (So, I assume that means they have all the needed parts.) - their problem is they simply don't have the manpower.  They are looking to hire people with the skills they need, but that is what is holding them back.

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56 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

Well, crap, my county is an F. I haven't been out in the car since shelter in place started on the 21st; my kids go up and down the cul-de-sac and go to get the mail 1x per day on the corner. DH goes to his work location 1x per week (we do a grocery pickup on that day), and he's picked up prescriptions. However, apparently my neighbors suck at shelter in place. Our surrounding counties are an A (they have the most cases), 2 C's, and another F. Bleah!

My kids did mention our elderly next door neighbors are out a lot - my middle DD was livid when he left today since we've told them time and again we would be more than happy to get them whatever they need and deliver.  She came in ranting about it - I agree with her especially because he was sick with bronchitis in December. 😢

ETA: after reading some of the above replies about it "dinging" the rural counties. I am in a mix of rural/very outskirts of suburban here. No one should have to travel more than about 30 miles within the county - from the far end to the biggest town in the county. Most everybody goes one county over (rated a C) for shopping. We have a Walmart, a couple of grocery store chains in north and south towns, a Walgreens in the southern town, a couple of independent pharmacies, lots of gas stations, fast food places, etc within our county. We do not have any big box store excepting Walmart. I will note that a lot of people from here who commute into the Chicago suburbs for work, but I thought it was a decrease not just how far you traveled, so this shouldn't affect it, right?

 

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35 minutes ago, Laurie said:

Good questions. I wish I knew the answers.  

I've been interested in hearing about how many hospitalized people with covid are on ventilators...a daily count like the daily death count.  But I've never heard any reports like this on the news, only the concern that there won't be enough.  I've heard the CEO from Evergreen Hospital on MIchael Medved's show a few times since he's the father of Medved's producer.  He has never indicated a crisis situation due to a lack of ventilators, but that things are kind of quiet there because so many surgeries have been canceled. 

I hope there are enough ventilators for the patients who need them.  I have no idea how long it takes to make new ones, but it would be good to have alternatives like the hemolung...especially if someone has to be on a machine for an extended time.  But that's something else I don't know...how long do people typically need to be on a ventilator.  Days or weeks?

 

 

Cuomo has been given the intubation numbers, if you want to watch his briefings. And he says that for COVID-19, the amount of time on a ventilator is 2-3 weeks. 

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33 minutes ago, Laurie said:

 

I've been interested in hearing about how many hospitalized people with covid are on ventilators...a daily count like the daily death count. 

 

 

 

This is announced daily in Israel.  Of the current 5114 active cases, 76 are on ventilators.

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3 minutes ago, beckyjo said:

Well, crap, my county is an F. I haven't been out since shelter in place started on the 21st; my kids go up and down the culdesac and go to get the mail 1x per day on the corner. DH goes to his work location 1x per week (we do a grocery pickup on that day), and he's picked up prescriptions. However, apparently my neighbors suck at shelter in place. Our surrounding counties are an A (they have the most cases), 2 C's, and another F. Bleah!

My kids did mention our elderly next door neighbors are out a lot - my middle DD was livid when he left today since we've told them time and again we would be more than happy to get them whatever they need and deliver.  She came in ranting about it - I agree with her especially because he was sick with bronchitis in December. 😢

 

Again, this is not accurate.  Probably your A where they have the most cases, people are more condensed and things are closer.  That does not prove social distancing at all.  Like someone said, she will meet many more people traveling 1/2 a mile to her store than I will traveling 12 miles to mine.  This math makes no sense.

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Massachusetts https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/11-veterans-dead-after-coronavirus-exposure-at-holyoke-soldiers-home/2264556/

“Eleven veterans have died amid an outbreak of coronavirus at a facility in Holyoke, Massachusetts, Mayor Alex Morse said Tuesday. 

The veterans, residents of the Holyoke Soldiers' Home, died between Wednesday and Monday, Morse said. Five of them tested positive for COVID-19 and the tests for five others were pending, with one victim's information unavailable.

Flags flew at half-staff in the city Tuesday to honor the veterans as well as those veterans fighting the disease, Morse said in a news conference. 

"The veterans and all the people at the soldiers' home, these are people who gave their all, risked their lives to protect all of us, and they deserved better, frankly," he said. 

In total, 11 veteran residents and five staff members tested positive for the disease caused by the new coronavirus, according to NBC affiliate WWLP. Morse said all staff and residents of the facility had been tested by state authorities. 

Massachusetts Health and Human Services Secretary Dan Tsai said in a press release Monday that Bennett Walsh, superintendent of the facility, had been placed on paid administrative leave effective immediately.”

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40 minutes ago, SKL said:

That's interesting, but it penalizes rural people for the fact that nothing is close by.  For example, some of my relatives have to drive a number of miles to get to the nearest grocery store.  And those who have jobs (that happen to be health care related) are driving about an hour each way to work, which is their norm.  It's not like they can do anything about that.  These folks are not out partying.

Yeah. My county doesn't do well because if you don't live in one of the main towns you have to drive a bit to grocery shop. Our essential jobs are mostly in two cities, too, so anyone still working is still mostly driving the same distance for commuting, which usually is a different city from where they live due to cost of living. 

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9 minutes ago, Happymomof1 said:

Again, this is not accurate.  Probably your A where they have the most cases, people are more condensed and things are closer.  That does not prove social distancing at all.  Like someone said, she will meet many more people traveling 1/2 a mile to her store than I will traveling 12 miles to mine.  This math makes no sense.

Aren't they comparing to baseline? 

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1 hour ago, Arcadia said:

@vonfirmath@Sk8ermaiden@Æthelthryth the Texan

https://abc7news.com/health/28-students-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-mexico-trip/6065814/

“AUSTIN, Texas -- Twenty-eight spring breakers who recently went on a trip to Mexico are self-isolating after testing positive for coronavirus, according to the Austin Public Health Department.

Health officials said a group of about 70 students in their 20s took a chartered plane to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico about a week and a half ago.

A total of 28 students have tested positive for the virus and dozens more are under a public health investigation. The county said four of the confirmed cases did not present any symptoms.”

 

I saw that. 28 cases is a significant portion of the travis County cases currently! We've only got 200 cases total confirmed. No wonder our numbers are so highly tilted to the 20s!

 

What's more, some of these kids came back on other flights, NOT the chartered plane that at least kept the contacts all together as a "big family group" grumble.

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17 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

@Arcadia  we have a local company that makes ventilators they have stated they have the capacity to up their production from 100 per month to 1000 per month (So, I assume that means they have all the needed parts.) - their problem is they simply don't have the manpower.  They are looking to hire people with the skills they need, but that is what is holding them back.

We need to have a separate thread urging people to spread these jobs applications online, and how critical they are!  I'm sure if people knew, they would be applying in droves. Maybe local hotels could host people coming in from out of state for these jobs, with reduced rates and a go fund me or something to pay for their housing and food.

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20 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

At least here, the year to date all causes mortality statistics are notably lower than over the previous ten years.  The trajectory of the line was tracking and then went way low, which isn’t really surprising.  Flu deaths have also dropped.

Ah, interesting. Where are you getting the data? 

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8 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

Massachusetts https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/11-veterans-dead-after-coronavirus-exposure-at-holyoke-soldiers-home/2264556/

“Eleven veterans have died amid an outbreak of coronavirus at a facility in Holyoke, Massachusetts, Mayor Alex Morse said Tuesday. 

The veterans, residents of the Holyoke Soldiers' Home, died between Wednesday and Monday, Morse said. Five of them tested positive for COVID-19 and the tests for five others were pending, with one victim's information unavailable.

Flags flew at half-staff in the city Tuesday to honor the veterans as well as those veterans fighting the disease, Morse said in a news conference. 

"The veterans and all the people at the soldiers' home, these are people who gave their all, risked their lives to protect all of us, and they deserved better, frankly," he said. 

In total, 11 veteran residents and five staff members tested positive for the disease caused by the new coronavirus, according to NBC affiliate WWLP. Morse said all staff and residents of the facility had been tested by state authorities. 

Massachusetts Health and Human Services Secretary Dan Tsai said in a press release Monday that Bennett Walsh, superintendent of the facility, had been placed on paid administrative leave effective immediately.”

 

Yes, they did deserve better. This country is witnessing a failure of epic proportions. I don't know if this was posted already, but I read a pretty damning article by Eric J. Topol, MD, the editor-in-chief of Medscape, one of the top 10 most cited researchers in medicine, and the author of "Deep Medicine: How Artificial Intelligence Can Make Healthcare Human Again."

"The handling of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States will go down as the worst public health disaster in the history of the country. The loss of lives will make 9/11 and so many other catastrophes appear much smaller in their scale of devastation. Perhaps what we in the medical community will remember most is how our country betrayed us at the moment when our efforts were needed most."

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927811?fbclid=IwAR0qJh0eSle0XCpWcqjtJ8EvJWXAswPk9uX27dgzoQAOrAEypkOkOpFinc0#vp_1

 

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8 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Aren't they comparing to baseline? 

Yes, that is how I'm reading it. 

It says my county has a less than 10% decrease in average distance traveled. So it doesn't matter if we normally travel farther to go grocery shopping - we're still going as far as we normally do overall. 

Maybe some in higher density areas are choosing the local store rather than the one they really like across town? 

 

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31 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

@Arcadia  we have a local company that makes ventilators they have stated they have the capacity to up their production from 100 per month to 1000 per month (So, I assume that means they have all the needed parts.) - their problem is they simply don't have the manpower.  They are looking to hire people with the skills they need, but that is what is holding them back.

 

I’m thinking this deserves it’s own thread, either for just it, or as companies that are hiring.  Because some people here are losing jobs and if they have right skills that could be good to know about.

but they may not be reading the long thread

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9 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Aren't they comparing to baseline? 

 

Yes, but I think that there's a big difference between the way that most of us in urban areas travel, and many people in rural areas travel.

Before DS10, we went lots of places, but if you measured in miles, most the travel I did was to work.  I drove 30 miles a day round trip to work, but outside of work almost everything else is within a couple miles.  Walking distance from my house is my kids' school, my church, the park where they have various sporting practices, the grocery, and hardware, and pharmacy, my in laws, the nearest hospital, the library, my dentist etc . . . .   So, if I stop going to work, then my travel would have fallen 80% even if I didn't socially distance at all otherwise.  And if I cut back to essentials, it would be much less than that.

On the other hand, someone rural who is just driving to the grocery store, the pharmacy, and maybe to drop off what they bought with an elderly relative, might still be putting way more miles on their car, than I would be, and yes they might have traveled more than me before, but maybe not that much more because of those 150 miles I was putting in for work, so their percentage might not fall as much.  Furthermore socially distancing for that person might not look like fewer trips, it might look like doing less on those trips.  So, they might have previously been going to town once and getting groceries, and library books, and taking the kids to dance class, and buying some yarn, all in one trip.  Now they're driving 90% of that distance, but just going to the grocery store and coming back home.  So they're doing much less but the numbers don't reflect it.

Of course, I could be totally wrong, because I've never lived anywhere that wasn't pretty urban, so if I am please tell me rural people!

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1 minute ago, CuriousMomof3 said:

 

Yes, but I think that there's a big difference between the way that most of us in urban areas travel, and many people in rural areas travel.

Before DS10, we went lots of places, but if you measured in miles, most the travel I did was to work.  I drove 30 miles a day round trip to work, but outside of work almost everything else is within a couple miles.  Walking distance from my house is my kids' school, my church, the park where they have various sporting practices, the grocery, and hardware, and pharmacy, my in laws, the nearest hospital, the library, my dentist etc . . . .   So, if I stop going to work, then my travel would have fallen 80% even if I didn't socially distance at all otherwise.  And if I cut back to essentials, it would be much less than that.

On the other hand, someone rural who is just driving to the grocery store, the pharmacy, and maybe to drop off what they bought with an elderly relative, might still be putting way more miles on their car, than I would be, and yes they might have traveled more than me before, but maybe not that much more because of those 150 miles I was putting in for work, so their percentage might not fall as much.  Furthermore socially distancing for that person might not look like fewer trips, it might look like doing less on those trips.  So, they might have previously been going to town once and getting groceries, and library books, and taking the kids to dance class, and buying some yarn, all in one trip.  Now they're driving 90% of that distance, but just going to the grocery store and coming back home.  So they're doing much less but the numbers don't reflect it.

Of course, I could be totally wrong, because I've never lived anywhere that wasn't pretty urban, so if I am please tell me rural people!

 

Yes, I see that :-). We always try to live close to DH's work, so for us, the calculus doesn't work out like that. But I can see that it would for a lot of people. 

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Just now, square_25 said:

 

Yes, I see that :-). We always try to live close to DH's work, so for us, the calculus doesn't work out like that. But I can see that it would for a lot of people. 

 

And you work from home.  Like many dual income couples, we live close to one parent's work, it just wasn't mine!

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1 hour ago, bolt. said:

I think, if they survive, and don't die at sea within sight of land that has no compassion on their inability to take the warnings of March 7th as seriously as they would have at a later date... I can pretty much guarantee that they will never willingly set foot on a ship again. They will have seen enough suffering for a hundred lifetimes.

Nobody needs the US to "take this on" -- simply quarantine them until they can be loaded onto repatriation flights to their own countries like everybody else who accidentally got stuck in the wrong country when the world's microbiology went to hell at light speed. Maybe the ship should just sail around the world dropping off each passenger at their country of origin like a school bus? What else are they going to do?

The US govt advice not to take a cruise was not until March 8; also at that time South America did not appear to be a high risk destination.  

I also think there are some Americans on the ship.   

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1 minute ago, CuriousMomof3 said:

 

And you work from home.  Like many dual income couples, we live close to one parent's work, it just wasn't mine!

 

Exactly :-). On the other hand, DD7's homeschool activities being canceled takes care of ALL of our subway time, basically. So we could still be going out to the store, and the tracker wouldn't know as a percentage. So I do see your point. 

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29 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Aren't they comparing to baseline? 

It still doesn't work well in my county. Essential jobs are mostly in the county seat, and most people who work there don't live in the city. They're traveling the same amount and we have a lot of essential workers due to certain government facilities that are here. 

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2 hours ago, Bootsie said:

To be fair this ship departed from Buenos Aires on March 7.  Things changed quickly several days after that.

By March 7th, the people on this ship would have already heard about the issues with coronavirus and cruise ships from the February Princess cruise line experiences.  Plenty of time to have made the decision to cancel and stay home.  

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm

The people on this cruise would have heard something about what happened in Japan and the Princess cruises before their trip began.  Bet Austrailia wishes they had handled things differently.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/anatomy-of-a-coronavirus-disaster-how-2700-people-were-let-off-the-ruby-princess-cruise-ship-by-mistake

People are getting COVID 19 after these people willingly choose to get on a cruise ship after hearing about what was going on in China in January and on the Princess cruises in February.

I have a sister on the front line of this and am trying to keep my elderly father and in-laws safe and alive through all of this.  I was busy preparing supplies and meds for them while these poeple were taking their fun, exciting cruises.  

I’m good with how I feel about this situation.

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Ah, interesting. Where are you getting the data? 

Follow this thread for some work in this area, and also the current issues in reporting/lags.

https://twitter.com/sidsanghi/status/1244268790440955904?s=21

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I can’t remember where I saw more data broken out for this, though.  Too much information flowing too quickly across my feeds 😵

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5 hours ago, Bootsie said:

The US govt advice not to take a cruise was not until March 8; also at that time South America did not appear to be a high risk destination.  

I also think there are some Americans on the ship.   

If people were watching any sort of news at all from January to the beginning of March, they would have known that what they are going through now was a huge possibility.   I didn’t need our government’s advice to know not to take a cruise or fly.  I started preparing before government said I should.  To each their own.

Now their decision will get other poeple not on the cruise sick, wherever the dock.  They should be docking where they started and were suppose to end their trip, which was in Buenos Aires.

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38 minutes ago, SeaConquest said:

 

Yes, they did deserve better. This country is witnessing a failure of epic proportions. I don't know if this was posted already, but I read a pretty damning article by Eric J. Topol, MD, the editor-in-chief of Medscape, one of the top 10 most cited researchers in medicine, and the author of "Deep Medicine: How Artificial Intelligence Can Make Healthcare Human Again."

"The handling of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States will go down as the worst public health disaster in the history of the country. The loss of lives will make 9/11 and so many other catastrophes appear much smaller in their scale of devastation. Perhaps what we in the medical community will remember most is how our country betrayed us at the moment when our efforts were needed most."

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927811?fbclid=IwAR0qJh0eSle0XCpWcqjtJ8EvJWXAswPk9uX27dgzoQAOrAEypkOkOpFinc0#vp_1

 

 

Not only did they deserve better, current service members deserve better. DoD has the ability to shut this shit down and keep members quarantined on base/ships. They have not done this. They need to. Four weeks ago this ship docked in Vietnam for a port call. STUPID. STUPID. STUPID. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2020-03-31/spread-of-covid-19-on-carrier-theodore-roosevelt-is-ongoing-and-accelerating-captain-says

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11 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Follow this thread for some work in this area, and also the current issues in reporting/lags.

https://twitter.com/sidsanghi/status/1244268790440955904?s=21

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I can’t remember where I saw more data broken out for this, though.  Too much information flowing too quickly across my feeds 😵

 

They say they now think the data has lags and isn't reliable, if I'm reading correctly? 

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Not exactly.  The thought is that there may be some lag, but not enough to explain the margin difference.  Time will clarify the data as with everything relating to this, but it is entirely conceivable that the amount of deaths avoided by a lack of driving, difficulty getting drugs, or exposure to other pathogens like flu and RSV could actually outweigh the deaths from covid 19.  He isn’t the only one beginning to postulate that now that curves are aging and the data is more comprehensive relating to these statistics.

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3 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Not exactly.  The thought is that there may be some lag, but not enough to explain the margin difference.  Time will clarify the data as with everything relating to this, but it is entirely conceivable that the amount of deaths avoided by a lack of driving, difficulty getting drugs, or exposure to other pathogens like flu and RSV could actually outweigh the deaths from covid 19.  He isn’t the only one beginning to postulate that now that curves are aging and the data is more comprehensive relating to these statistics.

Also, lol, I took another look at that graph. I do NOT hold with graphs that don't start with a 0 on the y-axis ;-). That's the standard way to make a misleading graph. 

It's certainly possible that this could happen. I don't think we'll know for a while, though. The record-keeping is bound to be chaotic for a bit. 

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4 minutes ago, Arctic Mama said:

Not exactly.  The thought is that there may be some lag, but not enough to explain the margin difference.  Time will clarify the data as with everything relating to this, but it is entirely conceivable that the amount of deaths avoided by a lack of driving, difficulty getting drugs, or exposure to other pathogens like flu and RSV could actually outweigh the deaths from covid 19.  He isn’t the only one beginning to postulate that now that curves are aging and the data is more comprehensive relating to these statistics.

Also, here's their thread saying their figure shouldn't be used: 

 

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1 hour ago, Laurie said:

Good questions. I wish I knew the answers.  

I've been interested in hearing about how many hospitalized people with covid are on ventilators...a daily count like the daily death count.  But I've never heard any reports like this on the news, only the concern that there won't be enough.  I've heard the CEO from Evergreen Hospital on MIchael Medved's show a few times since he's the father of Medved's producer.  He has never indicated a crisis situation due to a lack of ventilators, but that things are kind of quiet there because so many surgeries have been canceled. 

I hope there are enough ventilators for the patients who need them.  I have no idea how long it takes to make new ones, but it would be good to have alternatives like the hemolung...especially if someone has to be on a machine for an extended time.  But that's something else I don't know...how long do people typically need to be on a ventilator.  Days or weeks?

 

 

You might try signing up to your governor or state health department emails. Vent and bed count and use are all things they have to report up to federal gov and they might include that in their email updates. At least I know mine does.  
This one is just for my county. 
 

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Just now, Plum said:

You might try signing up to your governor or state health department emails. Vent and bed count and use are all things they have to report up to federal gov and they might include that in their email updates. At least I know mine does.  
This one is just for my county. 
 

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I gotta say, this crisis has made me VERY aware of local government, in a way I haven't been before. 

 

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🙂 https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1245009716935188481

 
 
“We have extra FDA-approved ventilators. Will ship to hospitals worldwide within Tesla delivery regions. Device & shipping cost are free. Only requirement is that the vents are needed immediately for patients, not stored in a warehouse. Please me or @Tesla know.
8:27 AM · Mar 31, 2020”
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Bno:  Italy confirms 4,053 new cases and 837 new deaths since yesterday, raising total to 105,792 cases and 12,428 dead
 

deaths are still high but yet another day of downward trend on new confirmed cases.

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@Plum@Pen@mathnerd@gardenmom5@ElizabethB
https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/30/medtronic-is-sharing-its-portable-ventilator-design-specifications-and-code-for-free-to-all/

“Medtronic is making available to anyone the full design specifications, produce manuals, design documents and, in the future, software code for its Puritan Bennett (PB) 560 portable ventilator hardware.

The PB 560 ventilator has a number of advantages, one being that it’s a relatively compact and lightweight piece of equipment that can be easily moved around and installed for use in a range of different healthcare environments and settings. And it’s a design that was originally introduced in 2010, so it has a decade of qualified, safe medical use in treating patients.

... But this move by Medtronic makes freely available everything needed to spin up new production lines at existing manufacturers around the world — without any costs or fees owed to Medtronic.

It’s still obviously true that retooling a production line to build a different product is going to be an undertaking, no matter what kind of design specifications you’re starting with. But this initiative by Medtronic is also intended to provide the resources necessary for anyone looking at what they can build today — a blueprint to spawn new and innovative ideas. Manufacturers might be able to look at Medtronic’s proven design and engineer something they can build at scale relatively quickly that offers the same or similar performance characteristics.

Medtronic says the design is particularly well-suited for “inventors, startups, and academic institutions” looking to spin up production in short order and create their own adapted designs.

“We are sharing the design specifications for the [PB 560] to enable participants across industries to evaluate options for rapid ventilator manufacturing to help doctors and patients dealing with COVID-19,” said John Jordan, External Communications Director at the Minimally Invasive Therapies Group at Medtronic.

...

It’s worth noting that Medtronic isn’t open-sourcing the PB 560’s design exactly: it’s issuing a special “permissive license” specifically for the purposes of addressing this global coronavirus pandemic, and its term ends either when the World Health Organization’s official Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC) is declared over, or on October 1, 2024, whichever comes first.

Still, it’s a sign of the extent and seriousness of the COVID-19 crisis that for-profit corporations like Medtronic would even consider doing something like making free for broad public use a code technology they’ve developed, even if only for a fixed time frame.

Any startup or hardware maker interested in checking out the plans for the PB 560 and potentially using them to build their own equipment can register here to agree to the license and get access to the files.”

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40 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:

 

Not only did they deserve better, current service members deserve better. DoD has the ability to shut this shit down and keep members quarantined on base/ships. They have not done this. They need to. Four weeks ago this ship docked in Vietnam for a port call. STUPID. STUPID. STUPID. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2020-03-31/spread-of-covid-19-on-carrier-theodore-roosevelt-is-ongoing-and-accelerating-captain-says

 

I am hoping that this story breaking wakes up a few people who have a misguided notion of what combat readiness means in the face of a pandemic. Or at least causes them to see how embarrassing it would be politically to repeat this scenario knowing the cost.

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