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DS got home 3 hours ago!  ❤️❤️

That's not a blanket right.  If my religion required human sacrifice, I can't practice it.  If my religion required sexual assault, I can't practice it. Freedom of religion isn't a blanket right

Update-  my youngest is not only short of breath, coughing, dizzy, nausaues, and with headache-  she is also confused.  I called our doctor and talked with him and she is going to be going to the ER.

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Interestingly, Manhattan isn't doing that badly. I don't think I've ever seen the data disaggregated like that... kind of makes one think that the subway wasn't the big problem, then. 

I'm going to go look for cases by borough, I guess. 

 

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🇺🇸  🇨🇦 

https://corporate.gapinc.com/en-us/articles/2020/03/gap-inc-business-update-as-a-result-of-coronavirus

“Gap Inc. (NYSE: GPS) today announced that, while eager to reopen its company-operated North American and European stores, the company anticipates the closures to extend past the previously announced April 1 date, as a result of continued measures to help slow the spread of COVID-19.  

As part of this decision, the company will furlough the majority of its store teams in the United States and Canada, pausing pay but continuing to offer applicable benefits until stores are able to reopen. The company has also made the proactive decision to reduce headcount across its corporate functions around the world. In addition, the entire Gap Inc. leadership team along with the Board of Directors will take a temporary reduction in pay.”

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Anybody know more about the status of the chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine plus zithromax (sorry if I've misspelled any of these) and zinc treatments? I have read several promising articles, the most recent from a doctor in NY who didn't lose any patients while following this protocol. I don't have the links, I'm afraid. But my state isn't currently allowing those treatments, which I find really frustrating if they are so effective. I don't want people dying here, when something could stop it! Can't the FDA speed up some of these treatment testings/approvals, with so many lives at stake? (I realize that there is a lot involved that I'm not aware of.) I don't want the people who rely on those drugs for other treatments to be denied them, but I really really really do want those available for my family, friends, (myself), and people in my community if/when they are faced with this virus. 

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4 minutes ago, Jaybee said:

Anybody know more about the status of the chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine plus zithromax (sorry if I've misspelled any of these) and zinc treatments? I have read several promising articles, the most recent from a doctor in NY who didn't lose any patients while following this protocol. I don't have the links, I'm afraid. But my state isn't currently allowing those treatments, which I find really frustrating if they are so effective. I don't want people dying here, when something could stop it! Can't the FDA speed up some of these treatment testings/approvals, with so many lives at stake? (I realize that there is a lot involved that I'm not aware of.) I don't want the people who rely on those drugs for other treatments to be denied them, but I really really really do want those available for my family, friends, (myself), and people in my community if/when they are faced with this virus. 

FDA approved those treatments according to Forbes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/03/30/fda-approves-anti-malarial-drugs-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-emergency-coronavirus-treatment/#762339fe5e5d

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1 minute ago, square_25 said:

How so? 

It says Education facilities closure: not implemented.  It has been implemented. 

And the hospital bed availability is a little wonky given that the state is extremely lopsided with regards to rural vs. city. 

When comparing it to local info, it seems to provide a loose, best-case scenario.

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15 minutes ago, Jaybee said:

Anybody know more about the status of the chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine plus zithromax (sorry if I've misspelled any of these) and zinc treatments? 

Chloroquine Phosphate and Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate are approved for emergency use but there is a minimum weight requirement 🙃

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I am authorizing use of the following chloroquine phosphate product distributed from the SNS to public health authorities     :
• Chloroquine phosphate that is not approved by FDA for any indication.7
• The chloroquine phosphate must be administered by a healthcare provider pursuant to a
valid prescription of a licensed practitioner.
• The chloroquine phosphate may only be used to treat adult and adolescent patients who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19, for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible

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Authorized Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate

I am authorizing use of the following hydroxychloroquine sulfate product distributed from the SNS to public health authorities :
• FDA-approved hydroxychloroquine sulfate that is approved by FDA for other uses and accompanied by its FDA-approved labeling and authorized Fact Sheets.
• The hydroxychloroquine sulfate must be administered by a healthcare provider pursuant to a valid valid prescription of a licensed practitioner.
• The hydroxychloroquine sulfate may only be used to treat adult and adolescent patients who weigh 50 kg or more hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible.9”
 

 

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34 minutes ago, Jaybee said:

Anybody know more about the status of the chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine plus zithromax (sorry if I've misspelled any of these) and zinc treatments? I have read several promising articles, the most recent from a doctor in NY who didn't lose any patients while following this protocol. I don't have the links, I'm afraid. But my state isn't currently allowing those treatments, which I find really frustrating if they are so effective. I don't want people dying here, when something could stop it! Can't the FDA speed up some of these treatment testings/approvals, with so many lives at stake? (I realize that there is a lot involved that I'm not aware of.) I don't want the people who rely on those drugs for other treatments to be denied them, but I really really really do want those available for my family, friends, (myself), and people in my community if/when they are faced with this virus. 

 

The only thing I've seen that's a potential negative is that it may cause heart damage or failure as a rare side effect.

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ABC - Aus increase rate is down to 9percent
 

“Health Minister Greg Hunt is speaking live now.

               

He says over 230,000 tests have been carried out across Australia, and the nation is at the "global forefront" of tackling the coronavirus crisis.

           

He says the growth rate (spread) is now about nine per cent on average — "down from 25 - 30 per cent growth just over a week ago".

      

He adds a new partnership between the Australian Government, the states and the private hospital system will deliver additional capacity.

        

"In terms of the capacity, it means over 34,000 beds and chairs that will be made available to the public hospital system.

 

"A third of intensive care units are within the private hospital system and will be made available.

 

"Over 105,000 full-time and part-time staff, including over 57,000 full-time and part-time nursing staff.

 

"The activities are broad and they will work together, the hospitals have committed to be fully flexible."

    

Deputy Chief Medical Officer Nick Coatsworth adds that at any one time, there's approximately 2,200 ventilated intensive care beds in Australia.

    

With the help of the private sector, that can be increased to 4,400.“

I think one thing to keep in mind with this good news is the high growth rate was being driven by imported cases.  The reduced rate probably relates to the travel bans.  However while we still have community spread the increase rate may go up again unless distancing measures are very effective.  

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Re. Tonic water. I have been “prescribed “ that for some time for nonCOVID19 reasons. I mix magnesium, other electrolytes, regular water and tonic water. The thing about tonic water is that if you have too much it can cause intense stomach cramps and diarrhea. BUT. I have been congested and coughing for the past month and the tonic water does do something to break up mucus. But use it moderately and I wouldn’t count on it to cure severe illness. 

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California, Louisiana

https://abc7news.com/health/coronavirus-crisis-at-sf-laguna-honda-nursing-home/6064132/

“SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Laguna Honda, the massive nursing home owned by the city and county of San Francisco, is having a crisis. The number of residents and staff who have tested positive for the novel coronavirus is growing.

At the same time, Governor Newsom is moving forward with a plan to move COVID-19 patients into nursing homes. Nursing home advocates are very worried.

... San Francisco Mayor London Breed said, "Nine employees of Laguna Honda Hospital have tested positive as well as two patients."

Breed explained in a news conference that widespread testing is underway. The Centers for Disease Control and State Department of Public Health have sent infectious disease specialists to help stem the tide of infections among 750 residents.

"We know that long term facilities are most at risk for coronavirus outbreaks, therefore we expect the situation to unfortunately get worse," said Grant Colfax, San Francisco's Director of Public Health.

On the same day, Governor Gavin Newsom told reporters he's moving forward with a plan to find beds in skilled nursing facilities, like Laguna Honda, for the coming flood of coronavirus patients.

"We are also looking to get some 1,000 skilled nursing facility units up and running," said Newsom.

And that idea frightens advocates, including Mike Dark of California Advocates for Nursing Home Reform. He told the I-Team, "It's like sending a child killer into a kindergarten. You're sending the virus which is an extraordinarily lethal killer of older people and sick people into a place which has only those kids of people."


The California Association of Long Term Care Medicine passed this resolution saying nursing homes should not be forced to accept COVID-19 patients.

And Louisiana Public Health, facing their own coronavirus crisis, is prohibiting hospital-to-nursing-home transfer of COVID-19 patients for at least 30 days.

Mike Dark asked, "How can it be that Louisiana is taking a more informed and progressive view of protecting health that California?"

Laguna Honda has just been slapped with a class action lawsuit that alleges abuse of patients. Attorneys say they could add to that complaint, depending on how officials handle the coronavirus crisis.”

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Another nursing home affected. California 

https://abc7news.com/health/pacifica-nursing-home-pegged-as-covid-19-hot-spot-struggling-to-access-testing-kits/6064212/

“PACIFICA, Calif. (KGO) -- A major testing shortage is hitting one of the most at-risk skilled nursing facilities in the Bay Area.

Pacifica Nursing & Rehab Center has been pegged by senior officials as a "hot spot" for cases of COVID-19.

Sources close to the ABC7 I-Team confirm the facility had 13 positive cases.

The city's mayor, Deirdre Martin, is pleading with county leaders for more immediate testing.

"If people aren't smart today, your neighbor will die tomorrow," said Martin who's concerned about the future of the facility.

"They are our vulnerable population, ensuring that they have access to tests not just today, but ongoing," Martin said.

Although, testing capabilities across the state are extremely scarce.

A recent ABC7 data analysis ranked California 46th in the nation for COVID-19 testing. According to the report released Friday, a mere 515 corona virus tests are administered per one million people.

The struggle is seen not just in hospitals, but nursing homes like the Pacifica facility caring for vulnerable patients.

The ABC7 I-Team reached out to the facility, who couldn't confirm the cases, but did release this statement:

"When we learned of the coronavirus threat, we responded by applying our plans and protocols for infection control and adding new layers of precautionary action to fight the spread of COVID-19."

Administrators confirmed on March 11, patients were self-isolated to follow required social distancing guidelines.

But, it's unclear if the healthcare workers exposed to infected patients were able to get tested.

"I'm trusting that all facilities are following their infectious disease outbreak plans," Martin said. "We need access to tests that are not drive-through facilities."

... Martin confirmed all patients who tested positive at Pacifica Nursing and Rehab Center are out of the facility and being cared for elsewhere. It's unclear how many other patients could have been exposed.

In the meantime, Verily, the drive-through test site in San Mateo County is offering to help”

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🇰🇷 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/coronavirus-covid-19-south-korea-cases-schools-exams-12592094

“SEOUL: South Korea said on Tuesday (Mar 31) it will open school classes online next week and reschedule its annual college entrance exams slated for November as concerns persist over the coronavirus and small outbreaks continue to emerge.

The country has postponed the beginning of all schools' new semester three times from early March to Apr 6 amid a rise in confirmed virus patients.

After a big early outbreak, South Korea has largely managed to bring down its daily number of new cases to around 100 or less, but infections from small clusters including churches, hospitals and nursing homes, as well as imported cases, continue to arise.

Prime Minister Chung Sye-kyun said the country is not ready yet to open schools as before despite the government's efforts to prevent the spread of the virus.

"We regret that we have not reached levels where children can go to schools safely even though we mobilised all our capabilities to substantially decrease risks of infection," Chung told a meeting of government officials, according to his office.

"It is difficult to guarantee the safety of children as the sizable number of new patients emerge every day, and there are concerns that it might spread again from schools to homes and communities."

Schools will provide online classes starting Apr 9, Chung said, vowing to ensure students' access to technology at home to minimise any study gap. The highly competitive annual college entrance exam, held every October, will need to be postponed.”

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2 hours ago, WendyAndMilo said:

It says Education facilities closure: not implemented.  It has been implemented. 

And the hospital bed availability is a little wonky given that the state is extremely lopsided with regards to rural vs. city. 

When comparing it to local info, it seems to provide a loose, best-case scenario.

Yeah, the hospital bed thing is wonky for NY, too. Hmm, thank you for letting me know. That's making me more skeptical. 

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3 hours ago, Jaybee said:

Anybody know more about the status of the chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine plus zithromax (sorry if I've misspelled any of these) and zinc treatments? I have read several promising articles, the most recent from a doctor in NY who didn't lose any patients while following this protocol. I don't have the links, I'm afraid. But my state isn't currently allowing those treatments, which I find really frustrating if they are so effective. I don't want people dying here, when something could stop it! Can't the FDA speed up some of these treatment testings/approvals, with so many lives at stake? (I realize that there is a lot involved that I'm not aware of.) I don't want the people who rely on those drugs for other treatments to be denied them, but I really really really do want those available for my family, friends, (myself), and people in my community if/when they are faced with this virus. 

A friend of a friend reportedly improved greatly on the med.  She had been expected to end up in the ICU, but the med kept it from getting that bad.  Just one anecdotal case but I was happy to hear it.  (Testing is happening in my state.  I thought I heard the FDA had approved it on an emergency basis, but I'm not sure whether that applies everywhere.)

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3 hours ago, Jaybee said:

Anybody know more about the status of the chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine plus zithromax (sorry if I've misspelled any of these) and zinc treatments? I have read several promising articles, the most recent from a doctor in NY who didn't lose any patients while following this protocol. I don't have the links, I'm afraid. But my state isn't currently allowing those treatments, which I find really frustrating if they are so effective. I don't want people dying here, when something could stop it! Can't the FDA speed up some of these treatment testings/approvals, with so many lives at stake? (I realize that there is a lot involved that I'm not aware of.) I don't want the people who rely on those drugs for other treatments to be denied them, but I really really really do want those available for my family, friends, (myself), and people in my community if/when they are faced with this virus. 

I have a friend who was part of the initial massive outbreak in boston (she was in that international meeting where Italian employees showed up). She was isolated and tested when her coworkers tested positive. This was in mid-march, I think. She tested positive with symptoms. She was treated with hydrochloroquine/zinc/zithromax combo and she tested negative for the virus recently.

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34 more in SA including a cluster linked to Qantas baggage handlers in the airport . And more from cruise ships.

does the baggage handler thing mean they are getting it off the surface of luggage I wonder?

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Fourth day of lower numbers here in NZ. Only 58 new cases -- still mostly linked to international travellers. We are still hoping for elimination not containment.  We have 14 clusters that they are keeping a close eye on.

A number of cool graphs in this link, including when we started lockdown (level 3) and implemented full lockdown (level 4) compared to number of cases. Also a cut by age, with the largest group in their 20s; and a cut by probable transmission (they are doing hard core contact tracing here). 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/31-03-2020/coronavirus-charts-and-graphics/

I found data saying there have been 21,384 tests with 647 positives. That is 3% positive testing rate.  

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So the baggage handler thing has meant one flight got turned back to Sydney and two flights from Brisbane and Melbourne cancelled because they have no facilities to receive them.  They are contact tracing and this might impact on a whole lot of other people.  They are also advising to disinfect wipe over your luggage if you flew in the last 24 hours so presumably there is some concern about transmission that way.

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#China's National Health Commissions says there are currently 1,541 asymptomatic #coronavirus patients under medical observation right now. So, according to official figures here, there are today 3,042 infected patients. Presumably that number tomorrow will be 4,583? Thereabouts.
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7 hours ago, WendyAndMilo said:

There are some significant problems with the data for my state.  I don't know why that is though.

 

5 hours ago, square_25 said:

Yeah, the hospital bed thing is wonky for NY, too. Hmm, thank you for letting me know. That's making me more skeptical. 

Same for my state. The site's hospital bed info doesn't match what the NCDHHS site says. I don't know if it's an update timing thing or what.

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I just listened to a radio interview with a highly respected [big] county health official with some No Big Deal radio personalities (RP). The Health Person (HP) was emphasizing that there are too many people going out unnecessarily at places like big box stores. The RP protested that people weren't close together so why was it a problem? 

It reinforced to me that the HP have not done a good job getting across that this is a aeresol virus & spread in enclosed places - on contaminated surfaces & possibly in the air itself if you are not wearing a mask. 

The RPs were told that many of the cases the HP was seeing were in their 20s, 30s,and 40s. The RPs asked if those were vapers. The HP did not know and didn't really address the RP brush-off. (The RP consistently insist only the elderly & sick experience complications -- and "sick" to them means anything they want it to mean. I wouldn't be surprised if they said the 20 yr olds don't get enough sleep & thus have underlying health conditions of "lack of sleep" to explain the younger deaths.)

The HP also pointed out only half of new symptomatic cases have fevers. I wanted to shake them because those of us who have followed this know this but apparently the HPs didn't acknowledge it until recently. 

I think the lack of clear & consistent message on how this is spread, (lack of) symptoms, and what the stay-at-home rules are supposed to do. 

On a humorous note, my youngest kid have me a new title of President of the Covid19 Operations Force (COF) - pronounced /cough/. Y'all are the reason I keep up on the latest. Thanks for helping keep my family safe.

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17 hours ago, Laurie said:

Did anyone else hear the doctor who called into Rush Limbaugh's show this morning?  He was explaining about a machine called a hemolung that could be used in place of ventilators for covid patients.   The way he described the machine, it is even better than a ventilator because the patient can still talk and even walk around with it in place.  

I only had a short time to look for info about the hemolung and found a short video on you tube.  It does sound like a good alternative, but I'm not a medical person.  

 

how many are there compared to how many ventilators there are?  what's involved in making them and how soon could someone make enough quantity and ship them to various hospitals?

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I just heard this morning that my cousin's 60 year old healthy, 10K running husband has covid-19 and is on a vent in the UK. Already I think we all know someone or even several people sick with it!

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My strident voice on my local Nextdoor is starting to make a difference. The big hurdle was making people understand that masking with homemade or cloth masks (which is all that is available to anyone who didn’t already have one)  doesn’t take away from health care workers. This dichotomous thinking is so harmful!  

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16 minutes ago, TCB said:

I just heard this morning that my cousin's 60 year old healthy, 10K running husband has covid-19 and is on a vent in the UK. Already I think we all know someone or even several people sick with it!

 

Yes, just learned of the second this morning. 😕

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25 minutes ago, TCB said:

I just heard this morning that my cousin's 60 year old healthy, 10K running husband has covid-19 and is on a vent in the UK. Already I think we all know someone or even several people sick with it!

We're in NYC, so we know quite a lot of people. One of our babysitters is sick, but seems OK. 

Sadder, our other babysitter's ballet teacher died from it. And so did her dad's friend from work :-/. So, uhhh, it's pretty real around here. 

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Whole Foods, Amazon

https://abc7news.com/business/whole-foods-workers-plan-sick-out-over-covid-19/6065098/
“Some Whole Foods workers are planning a "sick out" strike Tuesday to demand better conditions during the coronavirus crisis.

Workers are protesting what they claim to be a lack of protections, with demands that include getting double pay for the hazards of working during the outbreak.
...

But employees say that's not sufficient. They also want free coronavirus testing as well as sick pay for workers who choose to self-quarantine or isolate instead of coming in to work.

They're asking for the immediate shutdown of any store where a worker tests positive for the virus.

... A group of workers at an Amazon warehouse in New York City walked off the job and went on strike Monday afternoon, demanding the company shut down and thoroughly clean the sprawling facility after they say multiple employees there have tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

"People are afraid to work. People are there working and they're putting their lives at risk because there are a number of (coronavirus) cases that they are not aware of," Chris Smalls, an employee at the Amazon fulfillment center in New York's Staten Island borough who is organizing the walkout, told ABC News.

Smalls said the company is not being honest with employees about the number of colleagues who have tested positive for the virus in recent days and that management has only confirmed that one worker at the warehouse has come down with the virus.

"That's a bold face lie because I sent home the third case directly," Smalls said, adding that he knows of a total of seven cases at the facility that employs more than 4,000 people.

Smalls said the company placed him on quarantine on Saturday because he came in close contact with a worker who tested positive.

He said he sent the infected worker home on Tuesday when she was showing symptoms of illness. He said the worker was tested on Wednesday but was allowed to return to work until her test results came back positive on Thursday.

"She already had time to spread it. Her friend caught it. Her friend was the third case," Smalls said. "She tested positive and she's a supervisor in the pack department and the pack department is right before the items go out door to the customers. It's dangerous."

Smalls joined a group of employees of workers who walked off the job and formed a picket line outside the warehouse, making sure they practice safe social distancing.

"We're trying to get the building closed down and sanitized. That's all we're asking for," Smalls said.”

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If @Arcadia's article is the one I'm familiar with, Amazon fired the worker who organized the sick-out for coming back to work instead of self-quarantining like they requested. I'm sure Amazon is being their usual bad boss, but the dude should have self-quarantined (as should have the worker until her test results came back). And Amazon should have shut down for cleaning & sent everyone in the department home to self-quarantine.

Amazon confirms they fired worker

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🇨🇦 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nobel-laureate-leads-push-for-simple-made-in-canada-ventilator/
“Arthur McDonald, a Queen’s University professor who shared the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physics, is leading an effort by Canadian scientists at two national laboratories to produce a stripped-down, easy-to-manufacture hospital ventilator in time to meet an urgent demand for the machines because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Researchers at the TRIUMF particle accelerator in Vancouver and the Canadian Nuclear Laboratories at Chalk River, Ont., are now aiming to complete two working prototypes of their ventilator, one at each location, over the coming week.

“We feel that every country is going to have to have its own made-in-country solution for ventilators," said Dr. McDonald, who is best known for his experimental work involving neutrinos, elusive particles produced in the core of the sun. “The idea is that the capability is here in the particle physics community. We’re just trying to exploit it.””

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More on the Amazon firing:

According to the company’s previous statements, the infected co-worker in question last reported for work on 11 March. Had Smalls been exposed that day, a 14-day mandatory quarantine would have made him eligible to return as soon as 25 March.

Smalls said Amazon did not send him home until 28 March, three weeks after the exposure.

“No one else was put on quarantine,” he said, even as the infected person worked alongside “associates for 10-plus hours a week”.

In a statement, Amazon alleged Smalls “had close contact with a diagnosed associate” but did not comply when “asked to remain home with pay for 14 days”.

“Despite that instruction to stay home with pay, he came onsite today, 30 March, further putting the teams at risk,” the statement read. “This is unacceptable and we have terminated his employment as a result of these multiple safety issues.”

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/31/amazon-strike-worker-fired-organizing-walkout-chris-smallls

By his own report, he sent home at least one co-workers of that first case. So, presumably, he had contact with a possible later case although Amazon says there were only two confirmed positives at that facility. Works say there are 10.

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18 minutes ago, Mainer said:

A company in Maine that has made rapid flu tests for years is switching to rapid coronavirus tests, starts mass producing them this week. $40 a test, just like the flu test:  https://www.centralmaine.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-tests-produced-in-maine-give-results-within-minutes/

This references Abbott Labs' test which has been touted by Chicago/Illinois (Abbott Labs is headquartered in Chicago) as being a game changer. Sounds like New York and Michigan get first dibs on the tests when they are ready -- 50,000/day, it is hoped -- starting this week.

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https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/ships-with-people-from-ill-fated-cruise-beg-florida-to-dock/2264715/

Florida Docking Plan in the Works for Ill-fated Cruise Ships

Gov. Ron DeSantis says Florida's health care resources are already stretched too thin

 Updated 40 mins ago

The U.S. Coast Guard said Tuesday that it's working with Holland America on a detailed docking plan that would require two ships carrying passengers and crew from an ill-fated cruise to handle all medical issues without impacting South Florida's already-stressed hospitals.

If a "unified command" of state, local and federal officials can't unanimously adopt the plan, they'll punt a decision to Washington, Coast Guard Captain Jo-Ann Burdian said.

"There are no great choices left. These are all tough outcomes....the last thing we want to do is execute a plan that someone doesn't agree with," she told the Broward County Commmision during an emergency meeting on the fate of the Zaandam and its sister ship, the Rotterdam. 

U.S. & World

Broward County Sheriff Gregory Tony called the decision a “humanitarian crisis” and asked commissioners not to vote based on emotion. Allowing the ship to dock here would burden the local healthcare system and put residents at risk of additional exposure, he warned.

“This ship has been turned away from several countries already. We are the United States of America and we have never turned away people in need or those that are sick but we are in some very, very critical circumstances where we as a county are going to have to determine are we willing to take on this responsibility.””

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3 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/ships-with-people-from-ill-fated-cruise-beg-florida-to-dock/2264715/

Florida Docking Plan in the Works for Ill-fated Cruise Ships

Gov. Ron DeSantis says Florida's health care resources are already stretched too thin

 Updated 40 mins ago

The U.S. Coast Guard said Tuesday that it's working with Holland America on a detailed docking plan that would require two ships carrying passengers and crew from an ill-fated cruise to handle all medical issues without impacting South Florida's already-stressed hospitals.

If a "unified command" of state, local and federal officials can't unanimously adopt the plan, they'll punt a decision to Washington, Coast Guard Captain Jo-Ann Burdian said.

"There are no great choices left. These are all tough outcomes....the last thing we want to do is execute a plan that someone doesn't agree with," she told the Broward County Commmision during an emergency meeting on the fate of the Zaandam and its sister ship, the Rotterdam. 

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Broward County Sheriff Gregory Tony called the decision a “humanitarian crisis” and asked commissioners not to vote based on emotion. Allowing the ship to dock here would burden the local healthcare system and put residents at risk of additional exposure, he warned.

“This ship has been turned away from several countries already. We are the United States of America and we have never turned away people in need or those that are sick but we are in some very, very critical circumstances where we as a county are going to have to determine are we willing to take on this responsibility.””

I don't feel bad for these people at all!  What the heck were they thinking?!?!?  And...the US is going to take this on?  Really???  

I would love a vacation too, but will not be travelling for quite a while at this point.

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My county is now at 1.07 cases per thousand. I’m not sure why that’s hitting me really hard right now, but it is. It’s significantly higher than Philadelphia.

Our area has *finally* banned short term rentals, so that’s a plus.

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I watched Chris Cuomo on GMA when my kids were little. 

https://abc7news.com/health/cnn-anchor-chris-cuomo-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/6065649/
“BREAKING NEWS: CNN News Anchor Chris Cuomo, who is the brother of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, has tested positive for COVID-19.

NEW YORK CITY -- CNN anchor Chris Cuomo announced on Twitter Tuesday that he has tested positive for the COVID-19 novel coronavirus and is currently quarantined in his basement, where he will continue working from home.

"In these difficult times that seem to get more difficult and complicated by the day, I just found out that I am positive for coronavirus," he wrote.”

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If anyone saw the USA Today article on "8 Strains of the Coronavirus", one of the researchers who is sequencing the genome wrote some tweets which indicate the journalist didn't have a clue what she was writing. Also, he addressed the often-asked immunity question with some suppositions & a way to answer at least one of the unknowns.

Trevor Bedford's Twitter post

There have been only 11 mutations to proteins that are widely distributed. These are *potentially* functionally distinct variants that deserve attention and experimental and clinical follow up. But my expectation would be most have "little effect" without further data. 

Finally to the initial question at the top of the thread, in terms of immunity, there is a single widely circulating mutation in spike protein (D614G). Spike is present on the surface of the virus and is what the immune system sees.

My expectations from influenza, norovirus and other antigenically variable viruses is that a single mutation outside the receptor binding site is unlikely to have much of an effect on immunity.

However, this could be studied via cross-neutralization assays to see if sera from recovered individuals respond differently to these two variants. These assays are routinely used in influenza vaccine strain selection for exactly this purpose.

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