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1 hour ago, square_25 said:

 

I just replied to that thread, lol. I do agree with her that the long lines at HEB are a bigger problem than getting hair colored ;-). 

HEB has set up social distancing lines outside their stores and limited how many people can be inside at once. They've also put up plexiglass in front of the checkers. They still don't have masks for employees.

My supermarket being proactive about Corona Virus with social ...

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26 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

@Jenny in Florida and all the Florida people, this news is scary 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid19-coronavirus-zaandam-passengers-transferred-12587478

“The ship's Dutch owner Holland America said Friday four passengers had died and two more had tested positive for COVID-19.

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Passengers showing no signs of the virus were ferried from the Zaandam to the Rotterdam on Saturday, a French tourist told AFP by telephone.

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Panama's Maritime Affairs Minister Noriel Arauz told AFP that 401 passengers who had tested negative for COVID-19 would be allowed to leave the Zaandam.

People who were ill and those who had been in contact with them will not be transferred.

The Zaandam will now head to Fort Lauderdale in Florida, where the remaining passengers will be able to disembark, according to Holland America and Panamanian officials.

The Rotterdam is expected to return to San Diego, Arauz said.”

 

These folks need to go into strict supervised quarantine. Ft Lauderdale is a bad place to drop a viral bomb.

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3 hours ago, square_25 said:

There are cases in every state now. There’s NO POINT in locking down NY. The cat is out of the bag. Pandora’s box has long been open.

There needs to be a national strategy and federal laws, like, yesterday. This is going to be an epic, unnecessary disaster. The longer we go on with toothless “guidance” from the national level (not to mention the misinformed reassurances that slow action), the worse it will be. 

 

There is a point to locking down.....let the re-infection waves stay in the community they originated in, let the virus die in the adjacent communities.  See today's Gov. Cuomo update.  

Plenty of people in Orange & Rockland and NJ asking for a containment area around the hard hit dense communities there, so that others can food shop without certain infection.

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1 minute ago, HeighHo said:

 

There is a point to locking down.....let the re-infection waves stay in the community they originated in, let the virus die in the adjacent communities.  See today's Gov. Cuomo update.  

Plenty of people in Orange & Rockland and NJ asking for a containment area around the hard hit dense communities there, so that others can food shop without certain infection.

 

It's possible. I'm a bit skeptical that this is enforceable, frankly, but it would be good if people stayed put while letting essential goods through. Gonna listen to the briefing shortly. 

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5 minutes ago, square_25 said:

 

It's possible. I'm a bit skeptical that this is enforceable, frankly, but it would be good if people stayed put while letting essential goods through. Gonna listen to the briefing shortly. 

 

Read up on the New Rochelle containment area results. Its also briefly mentioned in today's briefing, which is live now on major networks as well as available on line.

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Just now, HeighHo said:

 

Read up on the New Rochelle containment area results. Its also briefly mentioned in today's briefing.

 

Oh, yes, they contained that one. But as you can see, it didn't make much difference for NYC. That's exactly why I figure it won't work. 

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Watch the Gov.   1/4 of deaths are nursing home, he's saying now.

That's a contained area.

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Just now, HeighHo said:

Watch the Gov.   1/4 of deaths are nursing home, he's saying now.

I'm not watching live, I had to take a phone call. 

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12 minutes ago, square_25 said:

 

Oh, yes, they contained that one. But as you can see, it didn't make much difference for NYC. That's exactly why I figure it won't work. 

 

Maybe draw yourself a set diagram and see why.  

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1 minute ago, HeighHo said:

 

Maybe draw yourself a set diagram and see why.  

What's a set diagram? 

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https://www.3newsnow.com/news/coronavirus/study-documents-how-environment-is-contaminated-by-covid-19-patients
 

UNMC is studying the contamination of air and surfaces. They found significant airborne contamination inside patient rooms and in hallways outside patient rooms. 
Study link:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2

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13 minutes ago, HeighHo said:

That's a contained area.

I think we could have contained thing a month ago! I'm not saying containment is innately stupid! I just think we're past the point where that's a reasonable strategy, especially given that most places still can't really test enough. As I said, my personal belief is that the cat is out of the bag. 

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Viruses are not static. They can change genetically as they replicate. Usually they’re not consequential but every so often a significant change occurs which results in the virus affecting the host differently, usually for the better for the host.

They are seeing some strains of sars-cov-2 from Singapore with genetic deletions that are similar to the deletions that were seen in the viruses that caused MERS and SARS as they became less virulent. At this point, nothing has been proven but it would not be unusual for a virus to do this. Here is the preprint (not peer reviewed yet).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.987222v1

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To date, the SARS-CoV-2 genome has been considered genetically more stable than SARS-CoV or MERS-CoV. Here we report a 382-nt deletion covering almost the entire open reading frame 8 (ORF8) of SARS-CoV-2 obtained from eight hospitalized patients in Singapore. The deletion also removes the ORF8 transcription-regulatory sequence (TRS), which in turn enhances the downstream transcription of the N gene. We also found that viruses with the deletion have been circulating for at least four weeks. During the SARS-CoV outbreak in 2003, a number of genetic variants were observed in the human population [1], and similar variation has since been observed across SARS-related CoVs in humans and bats. Overwhelmingly these viruses had mutations or deletions in ORF8, that have been associated with reduced replicative fitness of the virus [2]. This is also consistent with the observation that towards the end of the outbreak sequences obtained from human SARS cases possessed an ORF8 deletion that may be associated with host adaptation [1]. We therefore hypothesise that the major deletion revealed in this study may lead to an attenuated phenotype of SARS-CoV-2.

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, BeachGal said:

Usually they’re not consequential but every so often a significant change occurs which results in the virus affecting the host differently, usually for the better for the host.

DD7 has been working on a very timely virus research project, and the book we were reading was talking about how it's best for viruses when they don't actually kill their hosts (since killing the hosts reduces their ability to replicate.) It's all very interesting to think about... 

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17 minutes ago, square_25 said:

I think we could have contained thing a month ago! I'm not saying containment is innately stupid! I just think we're past the point where that's a reasonable strategy, especially given that most places still can't really test enough. As I said, my personal belief is that the cat is out of the bag. 

 

Perhaps you know it as a Venn Diagram?

You are not seeing that NY has several clusters of traveler spread and large group spread that are driving the case and death numbers.  The containment of the New Rochelle travel cluster worked.  The NYC area has several large groups that are ignoring the requests to not spread the virus.  The containment steps taken at the nursing homes aren't enough, given the poor health of the occupants and the lack of giving the workers a place to isolate.  Remove these clusters and the health workers and what's left?   

And please, don't answer until you've understood today's presentation from Gov Cuomo.

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Again, if you are confused, ask for clarification...after you've seen the Gov's presentation.  I"ll take the time,and so will others.

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11 minutes ago, square_25 said:

I think we could have contained thing a month ago! I'm not saying containment is innately stupid! I just think we're past the point where that's a reasonable strategy, especially given that most places still can't really test enough. As I said, my personal belief is that the cat is out of the bag. 

 

I think being right in NYC that probably makes it seem different than if you were in some other location.

 I think people need to think some about what makes life possible. 

Breathable Air, potable water, sewage systems, not having nuclear meltdowns, food...  running water for sanitation...  hopefully also having electricity and communications functioning, (National defense capabilities...) 

It remains very important to work with containment still  imo so that critical function areas are not wiped out.    And opening things up puts the basics needed at risk for catastrophe 

 

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Just now, Pen said:

 

I think being right in NYC that probably makes it seem different than if you were in some other location.

 I think people need to think some about what makes life possible. 

Breathable Air, potable water, sewage systems, not having nuclear meltdowns, food...  running water for sanitation...  hopefully also having electricity and communications functioning, (National defense capabilities...) 

It remains very important to work with containment still  imo so that critical function areas are not wiped out.    And opening things up puts the basics needed at risk for catastrophe 

 

 

I do think people staying put is for the best. However, my guess is that we're going to wind up running the natural experiment where most of the population gets infected at this point. But I might be being too pessimistic, in which case maybe stronger travel restrictions are worthwhile. We'll see. 

 

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5 hours ago, Plum said:

Does anyone know of a list that breaks down cases by % of state population? 
 

 

There is a nice map on this thread started by @Margaret in CO:

 

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3 hours ago, TracyP said:

I read the first when it was posted earlier in this thread. I'll try to read the other sometime. What if we took a more nuanced approach? Like what if each state needed to

1) get testing capacity to test any symptomatic person

2) increase icu capacity to 'x' level

3) gather sufficient levels of PPE to protect healthcare workers

My state is shut down until these 3 things happen - hopefully 2 weeks. I fully support this. I'm not sure why we should stay shut down until, say, Louisiana does the same. We are a thousand miles apart. It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

I looked up Minnesota on charts and it appears to have similar official confirmed cases to my own state and probably similar hospital beds, icu beds, etc.  

or also perhaps somewhat similar to New Zealand

As long though as MN were to be accepting travel in from elsewhere though, risk remains high for virus to take off on rapid exponential growth within vulnerable population.  What number of ICU or PPE does MN need to protect it adequately?  

What does MAYO say?

I would give a lot of credence to Mayo MN experts whatever they say about how to handle MN situation and if they are geared up properly and for what.

 I tried to google that and didn’t find anything however.

That is I found that they are working on development of testing, limiting hospital visitors, etc, — but not what they think medical services in MN can handle. 

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@Plum  Worldometer has confirmed cases per state and you could look up state populations chart and then do the division in there isn’t a site with that already done

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How did 39 million n95 masks just get ‘found’ after Barr threatened to find and prosecute hoarders.?  And they’re only selling them at a 700% markup. 🙄

but the medical teams will have them at least.

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2 minutes ago, Pen said:

@Plum  Worldometer has confirmed cases per state and you could look up state populations chart and then do the division in there isn’t a site with that already done

Scroll to the end of article 

https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20200328/ri-down-notch-to-14th-in-nation-in-per-capita-coronavirus-cases

Coronavirus cases per capita
Rank State Cases Population Rate
1 New York 38,987 19.45 2,004.47
2 New Jersey 6,876 8.88 774.32
3 Louisiana 2,305 4.65 495.70
4 Washington 3,208 7.61 421.55
  Washington, DC 267 0.71 376.06
5 Massachusetts 2,417 6.89 350.80
6 Michigan 2,878 9.99 288.09
7 Connecticut 1,012 3.57 283.47
8 Vermont 158 0.62 254.84
9 Colorado 1,432 5.76 248.61
10 Illinois 2,538 12.67 200.32
11 Nevada 535 3.08 173.70
12 Mississippi 487 2.98 163.42
13 Rhode Island 165 1.06 155.66
14 Georgia 1,643 10.62 154.71
15 Delaware 143 0.97 147.42
16 Tennessee 981 6.83 143.63
17 Pennsylvania 1,690 12.8 132.03
18 Wisconsin 754 5.82 129.55
19 Utah 402 3.21 125.23
20 New Hampshire 158 1.36 116.18
21 Maine 155 1.34 115.67
22 Arkansas 349 3.02 115.56
23 Florida 2,477 21.48 115.32
24 Alabama 531 4.9 108.37
25 Idaho 189 1.79 105.59
26 California 4,060 39.51 102.76
27 Indiana 656 6.73 97.47
28 Wyoming 56 0.58 96.55
29 Maryland 581 6.05 96.03
30 Alaska 69 0.73 94.52
31 South Carolina 456 5.15 88.54
32 Montana 90 1.07 84.11
33 Missouri 507 6.14 82.57
34 North Dakota 58 0.76 76.32
35 Oregon 316 4.22 74.88
36 Hawaii 106 1.42 74.65
37 Ohio 867 11.69 74.17
38 Arizona 508 7.28 69.78
39 New Mexico 136 2.1 64.76
40 Oklahoma 248 3.96 62.63
41 Minnesota 346 5.64 61.35
42 North Carolina 638 10.49 60.82
43 Kansas 171 2.91 58.76
44 Iowa 179 3.16 56.65
45 Kentucky 248 4.47 55.48
46 Virginia 461 8.54 53.98
47 Texas 1,543 29 53.21
48 South Dakota 46 0.88 52.27
49 Nebraska 92 1.93 47.67
50 West Virginia 76 1.79 42.46

Cases are as of 8:45 a.m. Saturday, as reported by the New York Times. Population is in millions. Rate is cases per 1 million people.”

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20 hours ago, lewelma said:

I am starting to think that only upper and middle class people in America are going into lockdown. There are a ton of poorly paid workers serving all the people in isolation.  DH was just talking to his mom on the phone, and she said that in Ohio she can still order home delivery from restaurants and stuff from Amazon.  So you have chefs, delivery people, amazon warehouse people, and grocery store check out staff still working and serving the people who have the means to stay at home and avoid exposure.  I feel really yucky about this.

As long as they are practicing the appropriate social distancing and hygiene, I think this is OK.

I worry more about the people who are in health care and first responders, who are a huge chunk of our local population, and who don't have the option of social distancing.  Yet we can't really tell them to stay home.

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9 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

Scroll to the end of article 

https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20200328/ri-down-notch-to-14th-in-nation-in-per-capita-coronavirus-cases

Coronavirus cases per capita
Rank State Cases Population Rate
1 New York 38,987 19.45 2,004.47
2 New Jersey 6,876 8.88 774.32
3 Louisiana 2,305 4.65 495.70
4 Washington 3,208 7.61 421.55
  Washington, DC 267 0.71 376.06
5 Massachusetts 2,417 6.89 350.80
6 Michigan 2,878 9.99 288.09
7 Connecticut 1,012 3.57 283.47
8 Vermont 158 0.62 254.84
9 Colorado 1,432 5.76 248.61
10 Illinois 2,538 12.67 200.32
11 Nevada 535 3.08 173.70
12 Mississippi 487 2.98 163.42
13 Rhode Island 165 1.06 155.66
14 Georgia 1,643 10.62 154.71
15 Delaware 143 0.97 147.42
16 Tennessee 981 6.83 143.63
17 Pennsylvania 1,690 12.8 132.03
18 Wisconsin 754 5.82 129.55
19 Utah 402 3.21 125.23
20 New Hampshire 158 1.36 116.18
21 Maine 155 1.34 115.67
22 Arkansas 349 3.02 115.56
23 Florida 2,477 21.48 115.32
24 Alabama 531 4.9 108.37
25 Idaho 189 1.79 105.59
26 California 4,060 39.51 102.76
27 Indiana 656 6.73 97.47
28 Wyoming 56 0.58 96.55
29 Maryland 581 6.05 96.03
30 Alaska 69 0.73 94.52
31 South Carolina 456 5.15 88.54
32 Montana 90 1.07 84.11
33 Missouri 507 6.14 82.57
34 North Dakota 58 0.76 76.32
35 Oregon 316 4.22 74.88
36 Hawaii 106 1.42 74.65
37 Ohio 867 11.69 74.17
38 Arizona 508 7.28 69.78
39 New Mexico 136 2.1 64.76
40 Oklahoma 248 3.96 62.63
41 Minnesota 346 5.64 61.35
42 North Carolina 638 10.49 60.82
43 Kansas 171 2.91 58.76
44 Iowa 179 3.16 56.65
45 Kentucky 248 4.47 55.48
46 Virginia 461 8.54 53.98
47 Texas 1,543 29 53.21
48 South Dakota 46 0.88 52.27
49 Nebraska 92 1.93 47.67
50 West Virginia 76 1.79 42.46

Cases are as of 8:45 a.m. Saturday, as reported by the New York Times. Population is in millions. Rate is cases per 1 million people.”

 

Of course, LOTS of those are vastly underestimating. (And some aren't. We don't know which are which, although the map probably gives us clues.) 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

I looked up Minnesota on charts and it appears to have similar official confirmed cases to my own state and probably similar hospital beds, icu beds, etc.  

or also perhaps somewhat similar to New Zealand

As long though as MN were to be accepting travel in from elsewhere though, risk remains high for virus to take off on rapid exponential growth within vulnerable population.  What number of ICU or PPE does MN need to protect it adequately?  

What does MAYO say?

I would give a lot of credence to Mayo MN experts whatever they say about how to handle MN situation and if they are geared up properly and for what.

 I tried to google that and didn’t find anything however.

That is I found that they are working on development of testing, limiting hospital visitors, etc, — but not what they think medical services in MN can handle. 

I understand from the governor's daily briefings that the Mayo is one of the places they are working with to get input on a daily basis. I don't know what they are suggesting though - I wish I did! 

We have 1300 vents, I'm not sure how many more we are projected to need. A 90 bed (negative pressure icu) hospital dedicated solely to covid got up and running on Friday. 2 sites were toured on Friday that are meant to be used for hospitalization purposes, though I'm unclear what kind of patients they would serve.

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13 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

Scroll to the end of article 

https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20200328/ri-down-notch-to-14th-in-nation-in-per-capita-coronavirus-cases

Coronavirus cases per capita
Rank State Cases Population Rate
1 New York 38,987 19.45 2,004.47
2 New Jersey 6,876 8.88 774.32
3 Louisiana 2,305 4.65 495.70
4 Washington 3,208 7.61 421.55
  Washington, DC 267 0.71 376.06
5 Massachusetts 2,417 6.89 350.80
6 Michigan 2,878 9.99 288.09
7 Connecticut 1,012 3.57 283.47
8 Vermont 158 0.62 254.84
9 Colorado 1,432 5.76 248.61
10 Illinois 2,538 12.67 200.32
11 Nevada 535 3.08 173.70
12 Mississippi 487 2.98 163.42
13 Rhode Island 165 1.06 155.66
14 Georgia 1,643 10.62 154.71
15 Delaware 143 0.97 147.42
16 Tennessee 981 6.83 143.63
17 Pennsylvania 1,690 12.8 132.03
18 Wisconsin 754 5.82 129.55
19 Utah 402 3.21 125.23
20 New Hampshire 158 1.36 116.18
21 Maine 155 1.34 115.67
22 Arkansas 349 3.02 115.56
23 Florida 2,477 21.48 115.32
24 Alabama 531 4.9 108.37
25 Idaho 189 1.79 105.59
26 California 4,060 39.51 102.76
27 Indiana 656 6.73 97.47
28 Wyoming 56 0.58 96.55
29 Maryland 581 6.05 96.03
30 Alaska 69 0.73 94.52
31 South Carolina 456 5.15 88.54
32 Montana 90 1.07 84.11
33 Missouri 507 6.14 82.57
34 North Dakota 58 0.76 76.32
35 Oregon 316 4.22 74.88
36 Hawaii 106 1.42 74.65
37 Ohio 867 11.69 74.17
38 Arizona 508 7.28 69.78
39 New Mexico 136 2.1 64.76
40 Oklahoma 248 3.96 62.63
41 Minnesota 346 5.64 61.35
42 North Carolina 638 10.49 60.82
43 Kansas 171 2.91 58.76
44 Iowa 179 3.16 56.65
45 Kentucky 248 4.47 55.48
46 Virginia 461 8.54 53.98
47 Texas 1,543 29 53.21
48 South Dakota 46 0.88 52.27
49 Nebraska 92 1.93 47.67
50 West Virginia 76 1.79 42.46

Cases are as of 8:45 a.m. Saturday, as reported by the New York Times. Population is in millions. Rate is cases per 1 million people.”

Thank you that’s perfect.
My county represents 75% of the state population. We’re number 11 with barely any testing. Yikes. I want to look at deaths per pop to compare but I think I’ll have to do the math myself. 

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35 minutes ago, Plum said:

Thank you that’s perfect.
My county represents 75% of the state population. We’re number 11 with barely any testing. Yikes. I want to look at deaths per pop to compare but I think I’ll have to do the math myself. 

 

Not sure chart up to date? 

NY seems to now be at almost 60,000 confirmed.

The chart has it still under 40,000

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Update from Israel: 4246 cases, 15 deaths.  We have been under a lockdown more stringent than anything in the US for two weeks now, and then a much more stringent one (can't go more than 100 meters from home except for groceries, enforced by police) since Wednesday.  Cases are not leveling off yet.  

Some of the new cases are Israelis coming back from abroad, but reports are that infections are also skyrocketing in haredi (ultra-Orthodox) communities.  These communities are poor, incredibly crowded, and residents have very very limited information about what is going on.  There is a lot of discussion, both productive and not, about how this should be handled.  There are already enormous tensions between the haredim and the rest of Israeli society and this is definitely not helping, to say the least.  

One of the harsh lessons of this pandemic seems to be that whatever your particular society's underlying pathologies may be, this sort of crisis will dramatically exacerbate them.  

Good news is that the country is now testing 6000 people a day and the government insists it will get to as many as 30,000/day within the next two weeks.  For reference, South Korea has 5 times Israel's population and tests about 15,000 people a day, so this is a lot of testing.  A pilot program offering tests to supermarket shoppers and workers starts in a couple of stores tomorrow and if it works will be expanded.  

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Not sure chart up to date? 

NY seems to now be at almost 60,000 confirmed.

The chart has it still under 40,000

A lot of the ones I look at are behind. I wanted to compare counties or states per capita. Cases are usually listed but testing is so spotty. Deaths is probably the most accurate count. All this has been addressed earlier in this thread. 

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48 minutes ago, Plum said:

Thank you that’s perfect.
My county represents 75% of the state population. We’re number 11 with barely any testing. Yikes. I want to look at deaths per pop to compare but I think I’ll have to do the math myself. 


Here is another article. The table is much longer with all the states but I have problem copying. 

“Data as of Mar. 29 at 9:54 AM. Published March 27, 2020

 

State Confirmed cases Deaths Change from Friday
New York 53,520 834 307 deaths +58%
Washington 4,318 189 32 +20%
New Jersey 11,124 170 62 +57%
Louisiana 3,315 137 18 +15%
California 5,648 120 26 +28%
Michigan 4,659 112 20 +22%
Georgia 2,446 79 15 +23%
Florida 4,038 54 19 +54%
Illinois 3,498 47 13 +38%
Colorado 2,063 44 17 +63%
Massachusetts 4,257 44 9 +26%
11 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Not sure chart up to date? 

NY seems to now be at almost 60,000 confirmed.

The chart has it still under 40,000

The chart was last updated on Saturday morning. It was stated in the part I quoted.

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NJ is doing very limited testing so I'm sure those numbers (scary as they are) aren't completely accurate. 

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https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/biomedical/devices/healthcare-team-designed-3dprinted-tested-covid19-swabs-one-week

“To Answer Dire Shortages, This Healthcare Team Designed, 3D-Printed, and Tested Their Own COVID-19 Swabs in One Week

The NYC-based group is now producing and distributing 2,000 specialty test swabs per day and plans to release the specs

...

On Friday, medical staff reported back that the swabs worked reliably, so on Saturday morning the team began printing full-blast, says Goldstein. Northwell has six automated Form 3D printers, able to operate 24/7 with minimal oversight, plus two stand alone machines that require frequent manual intervention. Under normal circumstances, the printers are used to make things like anatomical models, surgical guides, and the first amphibious prosthetic leg.

The swabs have FDA Class I exempt status, so they can be made and distributed to medical centers. “Our hospitals need these now,” says Goldstein. “If we have enough swabs here and other hospitals around us don’t have enough, we’re happy to send some to them. We’re all in the same boat. If we have extra resources, we’re going to give them to you.”

The team plans to release the design for anyone with a Formlabs printer to print, he adds. “Any single dental lab can start making these swabs tomorrow if they wanted to, and help out their local hospital.””

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1 hour ago, Plum said:

Cases are as of 8:45 a.m. Saturday, as reported by the New York Times. Population is in millions. Rate is cases per 1 million people

The NYT listed my county (well, nearest small city, but attributed the whole county’s population) in a chart this morning. 0.4 per thousand. I regret converting that to per millions! (Which we don’t have, lol.)

ETA: Our health secretary was specifically asked about our region this morning, and she completely sidestepped the question. 

Local reports this morning say our hospital admissions are currently 50% COVID-related.

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3 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/biomedical/devices/healthcare-team-designed-3dprinted-tested-covid19-swabs-one-week

“To Answer Dire Shortages, This Healthcare Team Designed, 3D-Printed, and Tested Their Own COVID-19 Swabs in One Week

The NYC-based group is now producing and distributing 2,000 specialty test swabs per day and plans to release the specs

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On Friday, medical staff reported back that the swabs worked reliably, so on Saturday morning the team began printing full-blast, says Goldstein. Northwell has six automated Form 3D printers, able to operate 24/7 with minimal oversight, plus two stand alone machines that require frequent manual intervention. Under normal circumstances, the printers are used to make things like anatomical models, surgical guides, and the first amphibious prosthetic leg.

The swabs have FDA Class I exempt status, so they can be made and distributed to medical centers. “Our hospitals need these now,” says Goldstein. “If we have enough swabs here and other hospitals around us don’t have enough, we’re happy to send some to them. We’re all in the same boat. If we have extra resources, we’re going to give them to you.”

The team plans to release the design for anyone with a Formlabs printer to print, he adds. “Any single dental lab can start making these swabs tomorrow if they wanted to, and help out their local hospital.””

This is fantastic! We are running low on swabs. Great to think there may be a way of producing them locally!

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The New York City mayor is threatening to permanently close synagogues and churches that refuse to shut down for quarantine.

https://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/NYC-Mayor-to-synagogues-Close-for-coronavirus-or-be-shut-down-permanently-622767

The mayor called on religious citizens, asking that anyone who witnesses services taking place to report to the congregation's officials and request them to stop services.  Should that not be enough, the authorities may "need to take additional action up to the point of fines and potentially closing the building permanently."

 
While I think these religious congregations should absolutely be cooperating, this is insane.  What kind of power-crazed dictator does he think he is?
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10 minutes ago, TCB said:

This is fantastic! We are running low on swabs. Great to think there may be a way of producing them locally!

 

TCB, what else are you running low on?  I feel like we hear a lot about PPE, ventilators, and swabs.  Are there other things you worry about running out of?

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1 minute ago, Michelle Conde said:

The New York City mayor is threatening to permanently close synagogues and churches that refuse to shut down for quarantine.

https://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/NYC-Mayor-to-synagogues-Close-for-coronavirus-or-be-shut-down-permanently-622767

The mayor called on religious citizens, asking that anyone who witnesses services taking place to report to the congregation's officials and request them to stop services.  Should that not be enough, the authorities may "need to take additional action up to the point of fines and potentially closing the building permanently."

 
While I think the congregations should absolutely be cooperating, this is insane.  What kind of power-crazed dictator does he think he is?


One who cares about the lives of the citizens in his care?  

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2 minutes ago, Michelle Conde said:

The New York City mayor is threatening to permanently close synagogues and churches that refuse to shut down for quarantine.

https://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/NYC-Mayor-to-synagogues-Close-for-coronavirus-or-be-shut-down-permanently-622767

The mayor called on religious citizens, asking that anyone who witnesses services taking place to report to the congregation's officials and request them to stop services.  Should that not be enough, the authorities may "need to take additional action up to the point of fines and potentially closing the building permanently."

 
While I think these religious congregations should absolutely be cooperating, this is insane.  What kind of power-crazed dictator does he think he is?

That is a graduated approach for those who have not responded to the verbal quarantine order and who then don't respond to fines.  It's the same graduated approach that government has to take in many situations IF PEOPLE REFUSE TO LISTEN.  So jumping to "power-crazed dictator" is a gross over-reaction. 

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3 minutes ago, Michelle Conde said:

The New York City mayor is threatening to permanently close synagogues and churches that refuse to shut down for quarantine.

https://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/NYC-Mayor-to-synagogues-Close-for-coronavirus-or-be-shut-down-permanently-622767

The mayor called on religious citizens, asking that anyone who witnesses services taking place to report to the congregation's officials and request them to stop services.  Should that not be enough, the authorities may "need to take additional action up to the point of fines and potentially closing the building permanently."

 
While I think these religious congregations should absolutely be cooperating, this is insane.  What kind of power-crazed dictator does he think he is?

 

Oh, thank goodness. At least de Blasio is doing SOMETHING, finally, other than going to the gym... 

People have gotten lots of chances to cooperate. They've been spreading and spreading stuff via these gatherings. It needs to stop. 

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2 minutes ago, CuriousMomof3 said:


One who cares about the lives of the citizens in his care?  

 

Closing religious institutions forever, after the emergency is over, is not a power given to any political figure in our country.

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4 minutes ago, Michelle Conde said:

 

Closing religious institutions forever, after the emergency is over, is not a power given to any political figure in our country.

 

 The emergency is far from over.

But yes, if a religious institution is KILLING people, then in my opinion it can be closed forever.  Do you support closing mosques that are actively supporting terrorists?  Or religious cults that kill people?

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2 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

That is a graduated approach for those who have not responded to the verbal quarantine order and who then don't respond to fines.  It's the same graduated approach that government has to take in many situations IF PEOPLE REFUSE TO LISTEN.  So jumping to "power-crazed dictator" is a gross over-reaction. 

 

Wouldn’t taking legal action against the individuals violating the quarantine order, up to imprisonment if necessary, make more sense than threatening unconstitutional illegal action that will affect congregants not currently choosing to attend, for years to come?

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9 minutes ago, CuriousMomof3 said:

Where does it say anything about closing them forever?  The emergency is far from over.

 

“closing the building permanently."

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1 minute ago, Michelle Conde said:

 

Closing religious institutions forever, after the emergency is over, is not a power given to any political figure in our country.

 

Yes it is, for at least three reasons off the top of my head. 

  1. It falls under eminent domain, which the supreme court ruled in favor of.  If something in a location doesn't serve the best interests of the city, local government can force it to be closed and sold. 
  2. Ignoring Quarantines and continuing to spread disease definitely isn't constitutional. 
  3. Several Attorneys General, both state and federal, have stated that willfully spreading CV-19 can probably be prosecuted under federal terrorism laws.

What he doesn't have the ability to do is change anyone's religion or prevent the same people from opening a religious institution in another location when this is over.  But he can certainly have them criminally prosecuted for all the lives who died because of their refusal to follow legal orders.

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7 minutes ago, CuriousMomof3 said:

 

Where does it say anything about closing them forever?  The emergency is far from over.

But yes, if a religious institution is KILLING people, then in my opinion it can be closed forever.  Do you support closing mosques that are actively supporting terrorists?  Or religious cults that kill people?

 

Setting aside for a moment that violating a quarantine order is not the same thing as active murder (you can draw parallels, but they are neither in fact nor legally the same thing).  We do not take basic constitutional human rights away without due process.  I support taking actual legal action against the noncompliant individuals for their actual actions.

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