wuhan - coronavirus

[Ausmumof3]

Over the past 24 hours, the U.S. reported 29,342 new cases of coronavirus and 1,004 new deaths, raising the total to 244,771 cases and 6,072 dead

[EmseB]

14 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:

We all know that’s some BS. Fact is, the RA was ON THE SHIP, part of the command team, and could have pushed the issue of crew safety/health. He didn’t. The CO had the moral courage to say what the RA would not. All of those needed to make tough calls are on carriers. The RA was too cowardly to do the right thing. The CO is being punished for making that cowardice plain. Even more upsetting is not knowing which dipshit approved or insisted (money...duh) on the Vietnam port call to begin with.

Watching that presser with Modly was infuriating. I have so many words but can't put them here. 

Suffice to say, the CO doesn't write a letter like that and cc people if he's already getting the help he needs. A message is being sent with his firing.

[Sneezyone]

2 minutes ago, EmseB said:

Watching that presser with Modly was infuriating. I have so many words but can't put them here. 

Suffice to say, the CO doesn't write a letter like that and cc people if he's already getting the help he needs. A message is being sent with his firing.

Exactly. This man gave up his career for those sailors. That’s a VERY rare sacrifice these days.

[SanDiegoMom]

6 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:

Exactly. This man gave up his career for those sailors. That’s a VERY rare sacrifice these days.

He’s an O-6 who will be retiring with 28 years of service  - so 75 percent of his base pay, and he will then most likely go on to another career. He will be ok in the long run. 
 

It is a sucky situation and yes he did not get the support he needed from the chain of command. But he embarrassed the Navy. They had no choice. 

[SKL]

Not directly about the virus, but about what people can do to help others in the current situation ....

I subscribe to emails from a source called "VolunteerMatch" which provides info on many different kinds of volunteer opportunities in various locations.  With people being stuck at home, obviously most of the usual gigs are not available, but today's email was a list of volunteer things you can do at home for various organizations.  Online services, making care packages and encouragement cards for folks in need, sewing masks ....

People have been talking about feeling powerless, and after that discussion I was thinking, we should work on building a feeling of empowerment through engagement in helping at home.  And then that email came out.  😛

[Sneezyone]

12 minutes ago, SanDiegoMom in VA said:

He’s an O-6 who will be retiring with 28 years of service  - so 75 percent of his base pay, and he will then most likely go on to another career. He will be ok in the long run. 
 

It is a sucky situation and yes he did not get the support he needed from the chain of command. But he embarrassed the Navy. They had no choice. 

Pay is not the end all and be all for these folks. Honor, duty, and reputation are. This RARE bird may even be a true person of faith. Financially, he will be fine but the Navy NEEDS MORE leaders like this, not toadies. This is a colossal leadership failure. I hope the next administration, be it 1-4 years away, purges every last one of the enablers. They need to go home.

Edited April 3, 2020 by Sneezyone

[EmseB]

12 minutes ago, SanDiegoMom in VA said:

He’s an O-6 who will be retiring with 28 years of service  - so 75 percent of his base pay, and he will then most likely go on to another career. He will be ok in the long run. 
 

It is a sucky situation and yes he did not get the support he needed from the chain of command. But he embarrassed the Navy. They had no choice. 

The Navy embarrassed themselves. The Navy needs leaders willing to stick their neck out. They had a choice on who to fire for this debacle and they chose the wrong person.

ETA: To bring this back on topic, the Navy is insanely trying to operate as normal on ships during this pandemic. They are saying that sailors' health is a paramount concern but doing things that show that they are either ignorant of how this virus works or don't care about people's lives or health. And if we were at war those men and women would get on a sick boat and fight to defend this country from a real threat no questions asked because that is what they do. The problem comes when everyone starts to notice the risk is unnecessary and basic measures to protect people aren't being taken.

Edited April 3, 2020 by EmseB

[YaelAldrich]

I haven't been on here much in the last week.  I've been putting together a bulk buy for fruits, vegetables, and eggs for the Jewish community here in Boston for Passover (and because things are a little scary here in terms of groceries - many things out, lines to get in stores (physical distancing enforced), limits on staple items).  I did a trial run 2.5 weeks ago and got $2K of produce.  I think this time I'm going to get close to $10K.  Also going out masked (Totobobo to the rescue!) and gloved to get food for people unable to get out.  My family is all at home now; the Uni kicked out my husband from his office even though he was the only one on his floor (and in a private office).  Internet is thin (even paying over $100 a month!), computers are always being jockeyed for to do online school for the older kids, and we have Passover starting on Wednesday night.  So the house has to be flipped (all Passover pots, pans, utensils, food.  Covering all surfaces in the kitchen, cleaning the fridge/freezer, oven, cabinets, counters, car and making sure no leaven foods are outside the area they are corralled until after the holiday week) 

My husband's dean did a virtual coffee hour and said Summer 2 (July-August) are going online and to be fully prepared to teach online for Fall 2020.  This is nowhere near over.  I'm a little scared.  I wasn't until this week.

[Sneezyone]

28 minutes ago, EmseB said:

The Navy embarrassed themselves. The Navy needs leaders willing to stick their neck out. They had a choice on who to fire for this debacle and they chose the wrong person.

ETA: To bring this back on topic, the Navy is insanely trying to operate as normal on ships during this pandemic. They are saying that sailors' health is a paramount concern but doing things that show that they are either ignorant of how this virus works or don't care about people's lives or health. And if we were at war those men and women would get on a sick boat and fight to defend this country from a real threat no questions asked because that is what they do. The problem comes when everyone starts to notice the risk is unnecessary and basic measures to protect people aren't being taken.

They could finally appreciate that strict, less palatable, measures would preserve health and readiness like confining members to bases/ships and curtailing host nationals’ employment OCONUS. There are no easy, comfy, safe options here on the civvy or military side. The fact that they keep defaulting to the least protective, least alarming ones is pathetic. This will go on for months.

Edited April 3, 2020 by Sneezyone

[kbutton]

1 hour ago, Seasider too said:

In the link fifuruth shared upthread, one group has actually measured viral protection with hand-sewn masks made of tightly woven fabric (ie quilting cotton) to be as high as 79%. Nothing to sneeze at. 

I wonder if people can purposely shrink the fabric to get even better results. I am not sure how much quilting cotton shrinks, but it could be worth a try. 

[Pen]

2 hours ago, mommyoffive said:

 

I was going off the graphic that someone had just posted on this page, but now is deleted.  It said for virus that the homemade had 0%

 

https://www.newswise.com/articles/testing-shows-type-of-cloth-used-in-homemade-masks-makes-a-difference-doctors-say

 

Masks are probably particularly helpful for situation like with CV19 where we now clearly know that people may be asymptomatic or presymptomatic spreaders as it tends to keep most of each of our  droplets to ourselves when we may not know whether or not we could be an asymptomatic spreader.  

If each person wears one, ideally a well done one, the combination could be a big help to reduce spread.

Glasses or some eye cover would probably also help.

[lewelma]

1 hour ago, YaelAldrich said:

I haven't been on here much in the last week.  I've been putting together a bulk buy for fruits, vegetables, and eggs for the Jewish community here in Boston for Passover (and because things are a little scary here in terms of groceries - many things out, lines to get in stores (physical distancing enforced), limits on staple items).  I did a trial run 2.5 weeks ago and got $2K of produce.  I think this time I'm going to get close to $10K.  Also going out masked (Totobobo to the rescue!) and gloved to get food for people unable to get out.  My family is all at home now; the Uni kicked out my husband from his office even though he was the only one on his floor (and in a private office).  Internet is thin (even paying over $100 a month!), computers are always being jockeyed for to do online school for the older kids, and we have Passover starting on Wednesday night.  So the house has to be flipped (all Passover pots, pans, utensils, food.  Covering all surfaces in the kitchen, cleaning the fridge/freezer, oven, cabinets, counters, car and making sure no leaven foods are outside the area they are corralled until after the holiday week) 

My husband's dean did a virtual coffee hour and said Summer 2 (July-August) are going online and to be fully prepared to teach online for Fall 2020.  This is nowhere near over.  I'm a little scared.  I wasn't until this week.

Glad to see you back. Where are you sourcing 10K of produce?!?!? 

As for fall 2020, I too am worried that it will be all on-line.  If this comes to pass, we are considering our son taking a gap year.  Face to face is key.

[Ausmumof3]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-s-coronavirus-testing-backlog-is-the-15175564.php
 

Paywall but California has a testing backlog of 59,500

[Ausmumof3]

Ecuador

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21L0AJ?__twitter_impression=true

[Bootsie]

Does anyone know if there is a site that has number of people hospitalized with COVID10 by state in the US?

[Acorn]

Blood donation recommendations have changed to allow more donors. I’m eligible but I’m nervous about the amount of people in and out of same space. I can’t decide what I should do. I hate that I’m having to make this choice.

[Ausmumof3]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.021196v1
 

Preprint non peer reviewed article only but indicating that in Wuhan scientists seem to have found antibodies to the virus in sample from cats.

[RootAnn]

59 minutes ago, Bootsie said:

Does anyone know if there is a site that has number of people hospitalized with COVID10 by state in the US?

Covid Tracking project has it for the states that provide the number. However, most states don't give the number or give a cumulative number or something that isn't useful. I see only 14 states listed that give the current number.

COVID Tracking Spreadsheet

[ikslo]

Not sure if this resource has already been posted:

US Executive Orders by state  
https://web.csg.org/covid19/executive-orders/

 

 

 

[vonfirmath]

18 hours ago, ElizabethB said:

At the northern latitudes, even if you go outside, you are not making vitamin D yet.  Your skin only makes vitamin D when the sun angle is 50 degrees or higher.  For northern latitudes, that is starting to happen around April, and only for a few minutes around solar noon each day...the amount of time around solar noon increases daily until the summer equinox.  People in California can make vitamin D now, much of the northern part of the United States is just starting to enter a time when they can make vitamin D.  Also, you need to have a lot of skin exposed to make significant amounts, and the older you are, the less efficient your body is at making vitamin D from the sun.  

 

I wish this was true because it would mean most of my sponsored kids' families would be fine because they tend to live in countries along the equator. And they tend to live their lives outside. But Ecuador is being hit HARD -- Bodies in the street and everything  It may have an effect, but not enough.

 

[Bootsie]

1 hour ago, RootAnn said:

Covid Tracking project has it for the states that provide the number. However, most states don't give the number or give a cumulative number or something that isn't useful. I see only 14 states listed that give the current number.

COVID Tracking Spreadsheet

Thanks.  You are right, there isn't much data there, but it is at least a starting point

[Bambam]

Pinterest CEO and US scientists have launched a new app to try to help track COVID19

"Aimed at users in the US, How We Feel lets individuals self-report their age, gender, zip code and any health symptoms they are experiencing in less than a minute. The aggregate data is then shared with select scientists, doctors and public health professionals who are working to stop the spread of Covid-19 in the US."

 

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/start-ups/how-we-feel-covid-19-data-pinterest-mit

[DoraBora]

9 hours ago, square_25 said:

 

I think saying that they can't possibly be using as many masks as they are claiming, and therefore many must be being sold on the black market seems inappropriate whoever exactly is supposed to be selling them... 

Why does it seem inappropriate? Because it might hurt someone's feelings?  If doctors and nurses aren't receiving the masks provided to them, I think it's a fair point, and a newsworthy story.  Trump suggested that the cities (and the reporters) look into it.  Bringing situations such as the one in Cooperstown to light serves as a warning to other hospitals to be vigilant in safeguarding their supplies.

(A quick search brought me to an NBC article published on March 29th: "No Evidence for Trump's suggestion that "masks are going out the back door' of New York hospitals".  Oddly, I haven't yet found NBC coverage of the conflicting story.)  

[DoraBora]

1 minute ago, square_25 said:

 

Because we have a DRASTIC shortage of equipment. I doubt more than 5% (being generous, 20%) of the masks are going elsewhere, because that would be an immense quantity of masks. Doctors and nurses are having to reuse PPE. There's NO WAY that tracking down the ones that are being sold on the black market is going to solve the problem. What would solve the problem is finding more equipment. 

Yes, anyone caught doing this should be punished severely. But given that the federal government could be ramping up PPE production and is not, and given that we will NOT have enough masks even if we find every single criminal that has done this, that's just a distraction. 

True.  Lots of distractions in the news these days.

[YaelAldrich]

7 hours ago, lewelma said:

Glad to see you back. Where are you sourcing 10K of produce?!?!? 

As for fall 2020, I too am worried that it will be all on-line.  If this comes to pass, we are considering our son taking a gap year.  Face to face is key.

One of the bigger fruit and veg distributors said they can handle this.  I am guessing they are hurting from so many restaurants closed or doing much less business so I hope it helps them and they will be able to keep helping our community during this time.

I'd be running though gap year scenarios if I were you.

[DoraBora]

9 minutes ago, square_25 said:

 

The media can't provide equipment, though. Focusing on the wrong stuff doesn't actually keep equipment away from the hospitals. 

Anyway, it's probably too late for the federal government to use the DPA to make PPE to help NY :-(. It's too bad. I hope people keep donating and stepping up locally. 

I don't know that the feds were "focusing" on ppe theft.  He mentioned it and people took umbrage.  I'm sorry that NY is so hard hit.

[Starr]

49 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Anyone seen this? 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-cases-map.html

If you know NYC geography, the map is interesting. Manhattan is definitely not particularly hard-hit. The airport also doesn't look like the center of an issue. 

They do seem to be suggesting that larger families that all gather together are the problem. I guess with lots of people in the house, there's a high chance SOMEONE is an "essential worker" :-/. 

These folks keep the city running, lots of service jobs, hotels, cleaning, restaurants, shops, direct care for elderly etc. Their people contact is high.

[DoraBora]

10 minutes ago, square_25 said:

 

Well, yes, people took umbrage, because it shifts responsibility. But it's definitely only inappropriate in context -- if they had gotten factories to product tons of PPEs and then were worried because some were unaccountably "missing," that would be different. Instead, there's a lot of incredulity about how vast the numbers are, and theorizing that the numbers aren't really as large as the governors make them out to be. That makes people concerned that they aren't being taken seriously. 

What state are you in, if you don't mind me asking? Do you guys have PPE shortages or no? 

Fair point, though I didn't see it that way.

I'm in Texas (Dallas).  There have been local reports of ppe shortages, but I don't know details.

[cjzimmer1]

10 hours ago, YaelAldrich said:

My husband's dean did a virtual coffee hour and said Summer 2 (July-August) are going online and to be fully prepared to teach online for Fall 2020.  This is nowhere near over.  I'm a little scared.  I wasn't until this week.

My son's university has over 40,000 students and they too are already talking about the fall semester being online.  It's going to be ugly for DS, he has 4 classes left to graduate and 3 of them are science lab classes.

[Arcadia]

7 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-s-coronavirus-testing-backlog-is-the-15175564.php
 

Paywall but California has a testing backlog of 59,500

It’s uneven backlog between counties.

https://www.kcra.com/article/east-sacramento-gym-raises-bar-community-outreach/32030175

“About 92,500 tests have been administered statewide, but only 32,944 results have been received and another 59,500 are pending, according to California Department of Public Health.

... Newsom said it was a national problem - as is the shortage of tests and a lack of the masks, gloves and other protection healthcare workers must wear to administer tests from people who are possibly carrying the highly contagious virus. 

The state may be able to fast-track test results as more people receive blood-based tests, Newsom said. Testing that relies on taking nasal swabs, the most prominent initial testing measure, is primarily responsible for delays.

The average wait time in Los Angeles County is five to six days, but some results have taken 10 or 12 days, said Barbara Ferrer, the county health director. The county uses a mix of privately and publicly run labs.

...

The wait for a test and the time it takes to get results varies by county and a mix of hospitals and private testing labs. 

Marin County, which relies on a state lab for testing, is limited to conducting 50 tests a day, spokeswoman Laine Hendricks said. It takes two to three days for the state to deliver results. 

Sonoma County, which reported no backlog, is able to test 100 kits a day at its own lab and get results in 24 hours or less, spokeswoman Jennifer Larocque said. 

Orange County’s own lab aims for a two-day turnaround for the 80 to 100 tests it handles a day, but often completes them in 12 to 24 hours, said Megan Crumpler, director of Orange County’s Public Health Laboratory. 

“We’re just fortunate that we’re not getting inundated,” Crumpler said.

Riverside County said its own lab takes one to three days to process results, though private labs take five to seven days, said Jose Arballo Jr of of the county public health agency.”

[Sneezyone]

Possibly OT but if anyone doubts the value of the former CO of the Teddy Roosevelt’s leadership, this is the send off he justifiably received. Going out like a boss. https://thehill.com/policy/defense/490979-sailors-cheer-navy-captain-who-was-removed-after-pleading-for-help-with

Edited April 3, 2020 by Sneezyone

[Pen]

1 hour ago, vonfirmath said:

 

I wish this was true because it would mean most of my sponsored kids' families would be fine because they tend to live in countries along the equator. And they tend to live their lives outside. But Ecuador is being hit HARD -- Bodies in the street and everything  It may have an effect, but not enough.

 

 

I think vitamin D could help hugely “all other things being equal” and doing other things that would tend to stop the spread— Stay Home Stay Safe ; distance of at least 2 meters when Stay Home isn’t possible; ...     I’m certainly going to keep taking my D3 as I expect it might well make a difference between being able to survive or not if I do become exposed.  At the same time, I am doing what I can not to be exposed (or if I should happen to have been exposed and be an asymptomatic carrier the same precautions would also help to not expose others ). 

Using Sun to make D also depends on the body having cholesterol to convert into D (I wonder if some places push to “lower cholesterol intake” or perhaps lack of cholesterol containing foods due to culture or poverty would affect making D even if there’s enough sun), and the body has to be able to do the metabolic conversion from skin cholesterol plus sun (probably plus other needed cofactors too) to build Vitamin D.   Even with enough sun apparently many older people no longer metabolize D well. And apparently some younger people also have less good D creating metabolism even if they have the nutritional building blocks and adequate sun.

Having lived in Brazil though, I would say it is not necessarily the case that everyone in an equatorial area gets enough sun for good D production. For example, some older less mobile people may spend time largely indoors and in shade. People who have indoors type occupations (which may include doctors and nurses) may have relatively little sun time and may be dressed to cover most skin.  Skin darkness matters too with regard to how much time needs to spent in sun to make D.

And then, it looks like Ecuador populace lacks a lot of other helpful factors for slowing spread of CV19. 

Pictures I see out of Ecuador show people bunched together, sometimes bunched together while wearing a mask, sometimes not; lack of sufficient PPE etc.;  and performing activities like pouring soapy water in streets and mopping it about which may or may not be particularly useful to Stop Spread... 

Dead and decomposing bodies sounds just awful and seems likely to lead to other health problems too.  

[I noticed that descriptions out of Ecuador sound (and look on news reels) like what people were describing for Wuhan, but that China and WHO denied.]

Do you have any contact with your sponsored kids? 

[Pen]

1 hour ago, square_25 said:

 

The media can't provide equipment, though. Focusing on the wrong stuff doesn't actually keep equipment away from the hospitals. 

Anyway, it's probably too late for the federal government to use the DPA to make PPE to help NY :-(. It's too bad. I hope people keep donating and stepping up locally. 

 

The Forbes (?) article about huge amounts of masks etc being sold to highest bidders overseas when NY and other domestic hospitals need it so badly deeply concerned me. 

 

[Pen]

10 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:

Possibly OT but if anyone doubts value of the former CO of the Teddy Roosevelt’s leadership, this is the send off he justifiably received. Going out like a boss. https://thehill.com/policy/defense/490979-sailors-cheer-navy-captain-who-was-removed-after-pleading-for-help-with

 

And I don’t know what he will do next, but whatever it is, a lot of people will see him as a hero, and I expect will want to help. 

[Arcadia]

@Pen Singapore is finally going to be shelter in place from April 7th. Hairdressers are allowed to stay open 😞 (so my in-laws still have a place to go to gossip) 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-decisive-move-workplaces-closed-lee-hsien-loong-12606614

[Pen]

5 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Oh, I didn't see that. Show me?

 

I think it was in this thread.

I’ll try google 😊 easier than trying to find it here.

[Pen]

7 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Oh, I didn't see that. Show me?

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2020/03/30/i-spent-a-day-in-the-coronavirus-driven-feeding-frenzy-of-n95-mask-sellers-and-buyers-and-this-is-what-i-learned/

 

[Pen]

@square_25 I don’t know this publication but it alsocame from my search 

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-medical-supplies-export/

 

ETA I guess flipside is that if USA cases hadn’t blown up, we would have been criticized by international community and probably domestic press and many, many American people for “putting America first” and hoarding supplies while Asia and Europe needed them.  (And, ironically, if more PPE had been kept, and rapidly issued to first responders and medical workers, perhaps our numbers would have been lower, making it seem like keeping the equipment here was not justified.) 

 

Edited April 3, 2020 by Pen

[Sneezyone]

12 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

And I don’t know what he will do next, but whatever it is, a lot of people will see him as a hero, and I expect will want to help. 

Indeed. People who distinguish themselves in times of crisis always prosper in the end. We need more leaders like this.

[Pen]

15 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

@Pen Singapore is finally going to be shelter in place from April 7th. Hairdressers are allowed to stay open 😞 (so my in-laws still have a place to go to gossip) 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-decisive-move-workplaces-closed-lee-hsien-loong-12606614

 

I wonder why hairdressers were exempted. 

 

[Arcadia]

Just now, Pen said:

 

I wonder why hairdressers were exempted. 

No idea. Friends there are puzzled too. The elderly would just say PM allow so they can go. 

[Jean in Newcastle]

2 hours ago, square_25 said:

Anyone seen this? 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-cases-map.html

If you know NYC geography, the map is interesting. Manhattan is definitely not particularly hard-hit. The airport also doesn't look like the center of an issue. 

They do seem to be suggesting that larger families that all gather together are the problem. I guess with lots of people in the house, there's a high chance SOMEONE is an "essential worker" :-/. 

My suspicion is that it has to do with viral load. If you have someone in a large family who starts to get it and spreads ir to other family members then you have a lot of the virus clustered in one place. 

[Jean in Newcastle]

3 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

No idea. Friends there are puzzled too. The elderly would just say PM allow so they can go. 

PM is missing his haircuts?  

[Arcadia]

1 minute ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

PM is missing his haircuts?  

Think it’s his “Significant Other” that wants hairdressers to be essential.

[Arcadia]

@Ausmumof3@Pen

 🇸🇬 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-singapore-airlines-care-ambassadors-hospital-manpower-12608118

“SINGAPORE: Singapore Airlines (SIA) will provide at least 300 "care ambassadors" to help fill a manpower gap at hospitals, in light of the rising number of COVID-19 cases in the country. 

Responding to CNA's queries on Friday (Apr 3), the national carrier said there is an "urgent and growing need to fill the manpower gap for the care of other patients as hospital nurses are re-directed from their original duties to care for patients infected with COVID-19".”

[Frances]

1 hour ago, Pen said:

 

The Forbes (?) article about huge amounts of masks etc being sold to highest bidders overseas when NY and other domestic hospitals need it so badly deeply concerned me. 

 

Yes, now that’s a place where the federal government could have intervened early on. Other countries did.

[brehon]

On 4/2/2020 at 5:00 AM, Carrie12345 said:

Like doctors and nurses, EMT training (locally, at least) is being modified to get students certified.  My 17yo is resenting my 16yo a bit right now!  Even though the younger will get certified, she’s still unable to be employed until she turns 18 next year.  But the older turns 18 in less than 2 months, and I know she’s going to be raring to go! I’m trying to wait until the end of this month before sitting down and having real conversations about that.

 

On 4/2/2020 at 5:19 AM, StellaM said:

 

Needing to have that convo too - with my young nurse, now that thousands of free ICU nurse training places have opened up here. There will be heavy recruitment. 

I think PTSD is a real risk for young people in health care professions atm. I mean, for everyone, but young people particularly.

Paramedics here are against a proposal to allow students to work in the field, for the above reasons and others. 

Good luck having the conversation.

 

 

In my area all EMS student clinicals (at all levels — EMT, AEMT, paramedic) and I think nursing and allied health profession  clinicals were suspended several weeks ago. The schools and the EMS systems, including the one I work for, decided the students’ physical and mental health were more important than rushing their training. 

[Arcadia]

😞 @mathnerd

https://abc7news.com/health/grand-princess-cruise-ship-crew-member-dies-at-sf-hospital/6073373/

“SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- A crew member from the Grand Princess Ship that docked in Oakland has died. The crew member died of coronavirus in a San Francisco hospital after being transferred off the ship last month.

Hundreds of workers still remain onboard the Grand Princess that is now docked at its homeport at the San Francisco Cruise terminal. Their 14-day quarantine ends tomorrow”

[kbutton]

3 hours ago, DoraBora said:

I don't know that the feds were "focusing" on ppe theft.  He mentioned it and people took umbrage.  I'm sorry that NY is so hard hit.

 

3 hours ago, square_25 said:

 

Well, yes, people took umbrage, because it shifts responsibility. But it's definitely only inappropriate in context -- if they had gotten factories to product tons of PPEs and then were worried because some were unaccountably "missing," that would be different. Instead, there's a lot of incredulity about how vast the numbers are, and theorizing that the numbers aren't really as large as the governors make them out to be. That makes people concerned that they aren't being taken seriously. 

I found it offensive as DH works in healthcare, and they are stretching PPE. Somewhere before POTUS's remarks, I think I mentioned that PPE stealing is a thing without a pandemic. Unless they keep everything super locked up (as they probably are now), which affects productivity, people do tend to help themselves to gloves, masks, paper towels, wipes, etc. when they show up in EDs and doctor's office of all kinds. It's like when people take extra disposable silverware, napkins, condiments, and tea bags at a restaurant. 

But I agree that it's not a wrong question in a different context. 

2 hours ago, Pen said:

The Forbes (?) article about huge amounts of masks etc being sold to highest bidders overseas when NY and other domestic hospitals need it so badly deeply concerned me. 

I thought I saw a report somewhere that the US is stopping exports (finally). I am unable to keep up with the links, but maybe someone else has seen this too. 

[saraha]

On 4/1/2020 at 11:21 PM, Arcadia said:

Keep the children entertained while parents work from home 😉 

As an aside, jigsaws on tables at the cancer center I go to for my appointments is very popular with patients.

Haven't made it to the end of the thread yet, but I busted out laughing when I realized you were talking about puzzles and not the thing that cuts wood! I am embarrassed to say it took several posts of me thinking, "Well, I guess making shapes of of wood could be therapeutic, how progressive they are!"