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24 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Very powerful statement in that article from that pastor:  He urged his Facebook followers to stay at home, as public health experts are recommending. “We must keep the affected population to as low a number as possible. Our singular act of stubborn independence can have far reaching effects on someone else’s life.”
 

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11 hours ago, bolt. said:

No criticism, Quill -- totally admiring you over here! A few ideas, in case you are still brainstorming or improving.

Have you considered having her put the disposable dishes in a trash of her own?

Also, you could pass in a damp soapy cloth for her to wipe her high-touch surfaces daily.

Do you have a mesh laundry bag that you could keep her laundry together through the whole laundry process, limiting the number of individual items you touch yourself?

Thank you for presenting that nicely. 

She does have a big trashcan, lined with a black plastic bag, in her room. However, if she is already downstairs or on the patio, I haven’t taken her disposables up to her room. That would probably be better, though. I think I’m just lazy. 

On your second point, I have wondered about this. If she’s carrying the virus, what difference does it make if her own belongings are sanitized often? I hope that doesn’t sound dense. Of course fewer germs are better. But I guess my thinking is that we’re trying to prevent spread through our family, so I focus on items that come out of her suite to the rest of the house. Hmm. I’m not sure about this. 

For her laundry, I have a hamper lined with a black trashbag so I can dump it directly in the washer. 

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8 minutes ago, Pippen said:

Very powerful statement in that article from that pastor:  He urged his Facebook followers to stay at home, as public health experts are recommending. “We must keep the affected population to as low a number as possible. Our singular act of stubborn independence can have far reaching effects on someone else’s life.”
 

Yes.  He articulated the situation very well.

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Aaaaaaand we have our new rules in Israel.  No one can go further than 100 meters from their home unless for very narrow exceptions.  The few remaining open workplaces must check people for fever.  And synagogues are shut. 

Closing synagogues is a huge deal and is going to be wildly contentious.  Synagogues all over the world have been closing for the past 7-10 days but here in Israel they were allowed to remain open as long as there were no more than 10 people together and people were 2 meters apart.  However, yesterday there was a study released that showed that synagogues were the single biggest locus point of transmission for community spread.

Rules are in effect for 7 days.

 

 

 

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https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

preliminary release of study re hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin

 

I probably already posted this, but it was in the reply box so I am

letting it post now in case I did not do so

before 

things seem wonky today with word spacing and so on

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Texas:  All four major counties of the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex have issued shelter-in-place or stay-at-home orders.  We have a little over 7 million people here.

And, whomever asked what was up with our Lt. Governor: I have no idea.  I'm deeply embarrassed by his words.  ☹️

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@daijobu@mathnerd

News link https://www.mercurynews.com/coronavirus-25-with-ties-to-stanford-infected-with-covid-19

Stanford health alert link https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/2020/03/24/reporting-and-self-reporting-covid-19-cases/

 “STANFORD UNIVERSITY – At least 25 people with ties to Stanford University have tested positive for COVID-19, a university official said Tuesday.

One student remains on-campus in quarantine, said Associate Vice Provost Russ Furr in an update. The others are off-campus and have been told to self-isolate and seek medical care if necessary.

“This figure includes both individuals tested at Stanford as well those who have been tested elsewhere and have self-reported their results to the university. It includes students who have left the Stanford area and returned to their homes. It also includes School of Medicine employees, including those working in clinical settings,” Furr wrote.”

 

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1 hour ago, Quill said:

Thank you for presenting that nicely. 

She does have a big trashcan, lined with a black plastic bag, in her room. However, if she is already downstairs or on the patio, I haven’t taken her disposables up to her room. That would probably be better, though. I think I’m just lazy. 

On your second point, I have wondered about this. If she’s carrying the virus, what difference does it make if her own belongings are sanitized often? I hope that doesn’t sound dense. Of course fewer germs are better. But I guess my thinking is that we’re trying to prevent spread through our family, so I focus on items that come out of her suite to the rest of the house. Hmm. I’m not sure about this. 

For her laundry, I have a hamper lined with a black trashbag so I can dump it directly in the washer. 

How much longer, Quill?

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@Quill thank you for the descriptions of how you are doing your dd quarantine 

we only have one bathroom, so can’t do it exactly same. But it is giving me lots of ideas.  

My ds is sick — probably not CV19 — but he should be acting as if it might be.

unfortunately he has been being rather a jerk about it (he says now that he didn’t understand)

it helped some for me to be able to explain to him that there are people (thinking of your dd @lewelma s son etc) doing a quarantine even with no symptoms of anything. 

I told him that our local health department guidelines are that anyone with any symptoms of ***anything*** that could be contagious is supposed to isolate as much as possible.  Own room, bathroom, or outdoors weather permitting.   Then a friend he has contact with over social media got sick and is on bedroom isolation — and some positive peer influence kicked in. 

He is older than your ds15, but maybe being similarly boorish ☹️  

It is probably serving as a test run with “only common cold” and I want to start getting my ducks in a row better than they were. 

 

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I have to laugh a little...  Quill, I'm glad no one criticized you.  When I posted what I was doing because I had 3 people with 2 mystery illnesses, people said I was nuts for doing all of that.  But I didn't know who had Covid and didn't want them passing stuff to each other.    Come on Quill, you are depriving your daughter of hugs????  Sigh. That was the criticism I got. Everyone is on the mend and now I am recovering from something that seems different from what they had...  Anyway, praying for health for you family!!!  

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NC news: The state will ask for the federal waiver on standardized tests (which the DOE has said it will grant when asked). (Does not apply to a registered homeschool, I'm sure, as we are not under the DPI.)

Wake County now says don't bother asking for a test unless you're 65+, have an underlying condition from the list, or work in health care, unless it's serious enough that you are being hospitalized. (Read: Grocery workers are SOL.) There's not enough PPE. All hospitals want donations of gloves, N95s, and sanitizing materials; UNC system hospitals are accepting homemade cloth masks.

Durham County will be doing shelter in place now, official announcement coming at 11 AM according to the news.

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18 hours ago, Paige said:

I've seen people in my area saying they are running out of latex free gloves. 

 

18 hours ago, Matryoshka said:

I haven't had trouble sourcing gloves. I also bought some cotton ones I could wash and reuse...

 

18 hours ago, DoraBora said:

Is there a glove shortage?

 

18 hours ago, maize said:

I saw a bunch at Lowe's last week. No masks, but lots of gloves.

 

Might not affect us in the states or it might so buy a box of spares if you need.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid-19-coronavirus-fight-at-risk-malaysia-medical-gloves-12575346

“KUALA LUMPUR: The rubber glove manufacturers association of Malaysia, the world's largest maker of medical gloves, on Wednesday (Mar 25) warned of a chronic shortage of gloves after a surge in demand from hospitals swamped with coronavirus patients.

The Malaysian Rubber Gloves Manufacturers Association (MARGMA) also said production would be cut because of a virtual one-month lockdown in the country, during which they are allowed to operate with only 50 per cent staff.

"Production costs will increase tremendously by at least 25 to 30 per cent ... Fortunately, buyers are aware of this cost factor and have come forward to assist and cooperate to bear the cost as well," it said in a statement.

Disposable rubber gloves are indispensable in the global fight against the coronavirus, yet a month's lockdownin stricken Malaysia where three of every five gloves are made has upended the supply chain and threatens to hamstring hospitals worldwide.”

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3 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

Might not affect us in the states or it might so buy a box of spares if you need.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid-19-coronavirus-fight-at-risk-malaysia-medical-gloves-12575346

“KUALA LUMPUR: The rubber glove manufacturers association of Malaysia, the world's largest maker of medical gloves, on Wednesday (Mar 25) warned of a chronic shortage of gloves after a surge in demand from hospitals swamped with coronavirus patients.

The Malaysian Rubber Gloves Manufacturers Association (MARGMA) also said production would be cut because of a virtual one-month lockdown in the country, during which they are allowed to operate with only 50 per cent staff.

"Production costs will increase tremendously by at least 25 to 30 per cent ... Fortunately, buyers are aware of this cost factor and have come forward to assist and cooperate to bear the cost as well," it said in a statement.

Disposable rubber gloves are indispensable in the global fight against the coronavirus, yet a month's lockdownin stricken Malaysia where three of every five gloves are made has upended the supply chain and threatens to hamstring hospitals worldwide.”

I'll recommend the cotton ones (they sell them for 'coin sorting', of all things).  I figure they are partly to remind you not to touch your face, and I always wash my hands thoroughly after taking them off and putting them in a ditty bag which will also be washed.  That way I use them more often rather than rationing the throw-away ones - and I'm not taking supplies from hospitals where cotton gloves wouldn't be tenable.  But for going shopping or bringing in the mail and such, I figure it's way better than just bare hands, and because they can be washed, the 15 or 20 pair I bought will last me indefinitely.

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I thought this was interesting.

The national stockpile used to be somewhat more robust. In 2006, Congress provided supplemental funds to add 104 million N95 masks and 52 million surgical masks in an effort to prepare for a flu pandemic. But after the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/hospital-makes-face-masks-covid-19-shields-from-office-supplies

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1 minute ago, Matryoshka said:

I'll recommend the cotton ones (they sell them for 'coin sorting', of all things). 

I have cotton one for flute and band instruments 🙂 I also have dollar store disposable gloves for house cleaning. Long waterproof gloves are great.

Some people here might need nitrile gloves for at home care and if Indonesia becomes an epicenter, Malaysia might run short of gloves to export to outside Asia. 

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4 hours ago, Pippen said:

I've been leaving all groceries and packages that don't need to go in the fridge or freezer out in the garage for a few days.

I've also been opening mail outside and dumping most of it in the recycle bin, and just bringing in the essential pieces.

I am doing the same thing. I had a grocery delivery on Sunday.  DH called out to the delivery person and told her to just put the packages on the floor of the garage and to take the tip I left for her (why wasn't there wasn't a place for me to leave a tip online? ugh!).  After she left, I went out and wiped down all perishable items with Chlorox wipes.  I left non-perishable items out there for several days.  Honestly, I feel a bit ridiculous doing it and it might be overkill, but there is nothing to lose by being careful, so that is what I'm doing.

We're dumping all mail and packages in the garage for a couple of days too.  Can't hurt.

We've had confirmed cases in my area for a week or so now, but we just found out that there is a confirmed case in our suburb of about 10,000 people.  Definitely getting closer to home now.  (I believe it has been here for a while, of course, but it is still somehow different when it is actually confirmed.)

 

ETA: I'm in Ohio.  I always appreciate when people put their general area in these posts, so we can compare what is happening in different areas.   Sorry that I forgot!

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Alameda county, California 

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/east-bay/health-officials-more-covid-19-infections-among-young-adults-than-any-other-group/2261078/

“Alameda County health officer Dr. Erica Pan told the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday that the largest group of people who've tested positive for the COVID-19 coronavirus so far is those 20 to 44 years old.

In her weekly briefing to the board, Pan said that among the first group of COVID-19 cases to be analyzed by county health officials, more than one-third are between 20 and 44 years old.

However, Pan said most of those people haven't developed serious symptoms and haven't had to be hospitalized.

Earlier on Tuesday county health officials said the county has now had two deaths attributed to COVID-19 and has had 135 cases so far.

Pan told the Board of Supervisors that there's been an "exponential increase" in coronavirus cases in the Bay Area and Alameda County since she gave her first briefing to the board two weeks ago, when only three cases had been reported in the county.

Pan said 64% of the county's cases at this point have been "community-acquired," as opposed to cases in which victims had been infected while traveling.

Referring to the virus, Pan said, "This is in our community now." Pan said, "We don't have as much testing capacity as we'd like now" but testing has ramped up in recent days, particularly at a facility at a Hayward fire station that has the capacity to test up to 350 people a day and get the results in six to nine hours.

However, Pan said that as the number of people tested increases the number of known coronavirus cases also will increase.”

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14 minutes ago, Matryoshka said:

I'll recommend the cotton ones (they sell them for 'coin sorting', of all things).  I figure they are partly to remind you not to touch your face, and I always wash my hands thoroughly after taking them off and putting them in a ditty bag which will also be washed.  That way I use them more often rather than rationing the throw-away ones - and I'm not taking supplies from hospitals where cotton gloves wouldn't be tenable.  But for going shopping or bringing in the mail and such, I figure it's way better than just bare hands, and because they can be washed, the 15 or 20 pair I bought will last me indefinitely.

Interestingly, tightly woven cotton is showing to be pretty good protection.  Some scientists have found that material like tightly woven cotton dishcloths, folded over twice, can make a good face mask substitute.  (Even though a little hard to breathe through!)

I think your idea of wearing them partly as a reminder to not touch your face is great!

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Re: food washing. This is anecdotal. We had a zoom session with friends that included a couple who farm and process/can/freeze their crops for restaurants (that part of their business has tanked) and grocery stores. They have to follow government rules and regulations for food safety and are in contact with various experts as part of running their business. As we were discussing how long the virus lives on different surfaces, they said they were told that on food it was only minutes. They do not have to do anything different in their packing/processing routines. I'm not going to be too worried about picking up the virus from fresh produce--I'm much more likely to get it from grocery store crowds than from the apples.

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2 hours ago, Math teacher said:

How much longer, Quill?

She is back one week tonight. So, another week. 

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7 minutes ago, Ali in OR said:

Re: food washing. This is anecdotal. We had a zoom session with friends that included a couple who farm and process/can/freeze their crops for restaurants (that part of their business has tanked) and grocery stores. They have to follow government rules and regulations for food safety and are in contact with various experts as part of running their business. As we were discussing how long the virus lives on different surfaces, they said they were told that on food it was only minutes. They do not have to do anything different in their packing/processing routines. I'm not going to be too worried about picking up the virus from fresh produce--I'm much more likely to get it from grocery store crowds than from the apples.

But the canning process itself kills germs, which is why we do it. And freezing will keep them from replicating until they thaw. So yeah, if you're even just boiling something, it will be fine, but I'm not sure sure about, say, an apple.

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Here's the FDA guidance on food: https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safety-during-emergencies/food-safety-and-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19

Don't read the next part while eating, or when about to eat: 

They  make a distinction between norovirus and HepA which can have transmission through food and covid-19.  If they are finding live viral particles in fecal material, though, how is it NOT transmissible by food.  The shortage of sanitizers is just worrisome to me. 

Harvard is offering differing advice, which makes more sense to me: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2020/03/25/food-safety-nutrition-and-wellness-during-covid-19/

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We are doing a wash and scrub on all produce that comes in.  The brush marks on banana show in the skin, but the underlying fruit seems to be fine.  If it can't hold up to a soak and scrub, we aren't eating it right now. I've been buying a lot more frozen produce, and I'm growing my own herbs. They've all woken up from winter, so hopefully they'll be in a position where I can harvest from them soon.

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1 hour ago, Happymomof1 said:

I have to laugh a little...  Quill, I'm glad no one criticized you.  When I posted what I was doing because I had 3 people with 2 mystery illnesses, people said I was nuts for doing all of that.  But I didn't know who had Covid and didn't want them passing stuff to each other.    Come on Quill, you are depriving your daughter of hugs????  Sigh. That was the criticism I got. Everyone is on the mend and now I am recovering from something that seems different from what they had...  Anyway, praying for health for you family!!!  

I’m feeling fragile and I knew I didn’t have the bandwidth for either: “you’re an idiot...she is allowed to sit in the kitchen??” OR “you’re paranoid...she probably doesn’t even have it!” 

I thought I had better put up fair warning. 😁

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59 minutes ago, edelweiss said:

I am doing the same thing. I had a grocery delivery on Sunday.  DH called out to the delivery person and told her to just put the packages on the floor of the garage and to take the tip I left for her (why wasn't there wasn't a place for me to leave a tip online? ugh!).  After she left, I went out and wiped down all perishable items with Chlorox wipes.  I left non-perishable items out there for several days.  Honestly, I feel a bit ridiculous doing it and it might be overkill, but there is nothing to lose by being careful, so that is what I'm doing.

We're dumping all mail and packages in the garage for a couple of days too.  Can't hurt.

We've had confirmed cases in my area for a week or so now, but we just found out that there is a confirmed case in our suburb of about 10,000 people.  Definitely getting closer to home now.  (I believe it has been here for a while, of course, but it is still somehow different when it is actually confirmed.)

 

ETA: I'm in Ohio.  I always appreciate when people put their general area in these posts, so we can compare what is happening in different areas.   Sorry that I forgot!

Just a note that our grocery delivery drivers are not allowed to accept tips. (Might vary where you are)

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12 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Just a note that our grocery delivery drivers are not allowed to accept tips. (Might vary where you are)

Interesting!  No, ours are allowed to accept tips.  They just expect them to be given in cash.  This is normally fine, but with the coronavirus, I would think that they would be concerned about receiving them in cash from a bunch of various people.  

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🇮🇳 India https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/coronavirus-covid19-india-doctors-evicted-transmission-fears-12574964

“NEW DELHI: Some doctors combatting India's coronavirus outbreak have been evicted from their homes by force, a medical association said on Wednesday (Mar 25), due to fears that they may be infected and spread the disease to neighbours.

The country went into a 21-day lockdown on Wednesday, and experts have said it faces a tidal wave of infections if rigorous steps are not taken to keep the virus in check.

India's public health care infrastructure is poor and it suffers from an acute shortage of medical staff, who will generally see many patients over a short period.

Some doctors in temporary residences had been forcefully evicted by their landlords over infection fears, the Resident Doctor's Association of the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) in New Delhi said.

"(They) are now stranded on the roads with all their luggage, nowhere to go, across the country," the association - which represents 2,500 doctors - said in a letter to the federal home minister on Tuesday, urging the government to intervene.

Late on Tuesday India's Health Minister Harsh Vardhan, himself a doctor, said on Twitter he was "deeply anguished" to see reports of doctors being ostracised in residential complexes, adding that precautions were being taken to ensure health care workers were not carriers of the infection.

A home ministry spokeswoman said the Delhi state administration had issued orders saying penal action would be taken against those evicting doctors. She did not comment on the situation in other states.

India, a country of 1.3 billion, has recorded 539 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and nine deaths.

It has just one doctor for every 1,404 people, the government said in February, significantly below the World Health Organization's norm of one per 1,000.

The AIIMS association's president, Adarsh Pratap Singh, said three doctors in New Delhi and around 15 in the southern city of Hyderabad had already faced issues with their accommodation. He did not have estimates of how many have been impacted overall.

"People are not accepting them ... The morale of doctors is down because of this, a stigma is being created due to lack of awareness of coronavirus," he told Reuters on Wednesday.”

 

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5 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

🇮🇳 India https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/coronavirus-covid19-india-doctors-evicted-transmission-fears-12574964

“NEW DELHI: Some doctors combatting India's coronavirus outbreak have been evicted from their homes by force, a medical association said on Wednesday (Mar 25), due to fears that they may be infected and spread the disease to neighbours.

The country went into a 21-day lockdown on Wednesday, and experts have said it faces a tidal wave of infections if rigorous steps are not taken to keep the virus in check.

India's public health care infrastructure is poor and it suffers from an acute shortage of medical staff, who will generally see many patients over a short period.

Some doctors in temporary residences had been forcefully evicted by their landlords over infection fears, the Resident Doctor's Association of the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) in New Delhi said.

"(They) are now stranded on the roads with all their luggage, nowhere to go, across the country," the association - which represents 2,500 doctors - said in a letter to the federal home minister on Tuesday, urging the government to intervene.

Late on Tuesday India's Health Minister Harsh Vardhan, himself a doctor, said on Twitter he was "deeply anguished" to see reports of doctors being ostracised in residential complexes, adding that precautions were being taken to ensure health care workers were not carriers of the infection.

A home ministry spokeswoman said the Delhi state administration had issued orders saying penal action would be taken against those evicting doctors. She did not comment on the situation in other states.

India, a country of 1.3 billion, has recorded 539 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and nine deaths.

It has just one doctor for every 1,404 people, the government said in February, significantly below the World Health Organization's norm of one per 1,000.

The AIIMS association's president, Adarsh Pratap Singh, said three doctors in New Delhi and around 15 in the southern city of Hyderabad had already faced issues with their accommodation. He did not have estimates of how many have been impacted overall.

"People are not accepting them ... The morale of doctors is down because of this, a stigma is being created due to lack of awareness of coronavirus," he told Reuters on Wednesday.”

 

 

I have been dreading this sort of news from India. Such a vulnerable population. 

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33 minutes ago, whitehawk said:

But the canning process itself kills germs, which is why we do it. And freezing will keep them from replicating until they thaw. So yeah, if you're even just boiling something, it will be fine, but I'm not sure sure about, say, an apple.

Don't forget, unlike bacteria, viruses can't replicate at all outside a host cell - at any temperature.  The problem is how long a virus stays intact enough to be able to attack /infect a new host when transferred.  For whatever reason, the seem to become inactivated much more quickly on organic surfaces...

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1 hour ago, Matryoshka said:

I'll recommend the cotton ones (they sell them for 'coin sorting', of all things).  I figure they are partly to remind you not to touch your face, and I always wash my hands thoroughly after taking them off and putting them in a ditty bag which will also be washed.  That way I use them more often rather than rationing the throw-away ones - and I'm not taking supplies from hospitals where cotton gloves wouldn't be tenable.  But for going shopping or bringing in the mail and such, I figure it's way better than just bare hands, and because they can be washed, the 15 or 20 pair I bought will last me indefinitely.

 

I have some like that too.

 

A relative of mine has rubber dishwashing gloves and is putting hand sanitizer on them to clean their outsides immediately after grocery shopping, and before taking them off,  then washing in soap and water once home, so just One pair of sturdy dish gloves should last a long time. 

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scratch that. Got the story confused with another. Nothing to see here. 

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3 hours ago, Plum said:

Remember that guy in CT that broke isolation to go to a party? 
 

CNN)About 40 people who attended a farewell party in Connecticut in early March were exposed to Covid-19 after a partygoer was confirmed to have the virus, three local Connecticut officials confirmed to CNN. 

The town of Westport now has 79 cases, the most of any Connecticut municipality, according to local officials. In Fairfield County, the surrounding county, there are 384 confirmed cases, more than half of Connecticut's total number of cases.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/25/us/connecticut-party-coronavirus-exposure/index.html

 

I still think the below is true—for situations that warrant it.  The one above having turned out to be an error.

But it would apply to someone getting on plane while awaiting results and people who did go to parties when should have been in quarantine, etc.

As well as college students congregating on beaches...

etc etc

Stiff penalties are needed for breaking the rules whether adults or teens are involved or this will keep happening. There need to be stiff penalties even if no one does get sick from it. And if anyone does get sick or dies from deliberately disregarding rules there need to be really serious criminal penalties. As in for murder or mayhem . It’s very much like active shooters in crowds  who may not intend to kill any particular person, but are intentionally doing something likely to kill or hurt someone . 

 

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6 minutes ago, Plum said:

Remember that guy in CT that broke isolation to go to a party? 
 

CNN)About 40 people who attended a farewell party in Connecticut in early March were exposed to Covid-19 after a partygoer was confirmed to have the virus, three local Connecticut officials confirmed to CNN. 

The town of Westport now has 79 cases, the most of any Connecticut municipality, according to local officials. In Fairfield County, the surrounding county, there are 384 confirmed cases, more than half of Connecticut's total number of cases.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/25/us/connecticut-party-coronavirus-exposure/index.html

I wonder when this is all over, if there will be civil lawsuits against people like this? 

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8 minutes ago, Pen said:

A relative of mine has rubber dishwashing gloves and is putting hand sanitizer on them to clean their outsides immediately after grocery shopping, and before taking them off,  then washing in soap and water once home, so just One pair of sturdy dish gloves should last a long time. 

I bought two pairs of these - one for each car for pumping gas. My DH refuses to use them, so the second pair is my "going to get the mail" pair. The kids think it is highly amusing to see me go out in the bright pink gloves. Our packages sit on the front porch or the garage depending on size. I toss junk mail before it gets in the house & the other items go in a mail quarantine area. I have soneone open the door for ne or remove one to open the door myself, then scrub them both with soap & water, then my hands with soap & water.

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9 hours ago, Plum said:

Quote deleted due to plum’s correction.

I have seen enough other ridiculous fb posts for my comment below to stand.

 

Stories like this have me saying aha over why my teens ever found the  💩 emoji appropriate. 

I need to check out for a while. 

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7 minutes ago, RootAnn said:

I bought two pairs of these - one for each car for pumping gas. My DH refuses to use them, so the second pair is my "going to get the mail" pair. The kids think it is highly amusing to see me go out in the bright pink gloves. Our packages sit on the front porch or the garage depending on size. I toss junk mail before it gets in the house & the other items go in a mail quarantine area. I have soneone open the door for ne or remove one to open the door myself, then scrub them both with soap & water, then my hands with soap & water.

 

Thanks for this idea! I have been using kitchen tongs to pull mail out of the box, but found it hard to handle things. I have a pair of those gloves and yes, they are easy to wash/sanitize between uses and nice because they are non consumable. 

How long are you letting your mail sit?

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23 minutes ago, Seasider too said:

 

I have been dreading this sort of news from India. Such a vulnerable population. 

People on Facebook were commenting that other countries would welcome the doctors to come over and worked in their hospitals, and provide lodging too.

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My county finally updated. So much for an “old persons disease.”

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21 minutes ago, Plum said:

Remember that guy in CT that broke isolation to go to a party? 
 

CNN)About 40 people who attended a farewell party in Connecticut in early March were exposed to Covid-19 after a partygoer was confirmed to have the virus, three local Connecticut officials confirmed to CNN. 

The town of Westport now has 79 cases, the most of any Connecticut municipality, according to local officials. In Fairfield County, the surrounding county, there are 384 confirmed cases, more than half of Connecticut's total number of cases.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/25/us/connecticut-party-coronavirus-exposure/index.html

Do you have more information about this story? I can't find anything that says this involved someone who broke quarantine. The only story along those lines that I can find involve a party of about 100 people in New Hampshire where someone broke quarantine and spread it to others. The story linked here refers to a going away party in CT with 40 people, and the person who first tested positive was actually the person who left the country, and who was diagnosed after he left.

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1 hour ago, Ali in OR said:

Re: food washing. This is anecdotal. We had a zoom session with friends that included a couple who farm and process/can/freeze their crops for restaurants (that part of their business has tanked) and grocery stores. They have to follow government rules and regulations for food safety and are in contact with various experts as part of running their business. As we were discussing how long the virus lives on different surfaces, they said they were told that on food it was only minutes. They do not have to do anything different in their packing/processing routines. I'm not going to be too worried about picking up the virus from fresh produce--I'm much more likely to get it from grocery store crowds than from the apples.

大家小心水果皮和生吃的菜。最好买包装好的,不买散装的。

From trusted source in Hong Kong today:
“In our laboratory, we found trace amount of the virus on the skin of fruits and vegetables after 12 hours of being touched by another customer who was infected.
We recommend our staff to avoid salads. Do not eat the fruits within 48 hours of purchase, or pour some boiling water over the fruit before cutting. Berries, apples, cucumbers and tomatoes are the worst because some people eat the skin.
Do not eat the skin of any fruit. 
We have to assume anything that comes from outside our home within 48 hours is infected. Shoes, clothes, our hair, all food.”

I add: I read that 17 days after cruise ship vacated, live coronavirus was found on surface of objects in rooms where symptomatic and asymptomatic COVID-19 patients inhabitated.

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1 minute ago, Corraleno said:

Do you have more information about this story? I can't find anything that says this involved someone who broke quarantine. The only story along those lines that I can find involve a party of about 100 people in New Hampshire where someone broke quarantine and spread it to others. The story linked here refers to a going away party in CT with 40 people, and the person who first tested positive was actually the person who left the country, and who was diagnosed after he left.

Oh man. My bad. I thought that was the same story. All of the stories are blurring together these days. I’ll change my post. 
@Pen @Jean in Newcastle @Seasider too

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2 hours ago, Matryoshka said:

I'll recommend the cotton ones (they sell them for 'coin sorting', of all things).  I figure they are partly to remind you not to touch your face, and I always wash my hands thoroughly after taking them off and putting them in a ditty bag which will also be washed.  That way I use them more often rather than rationing the throw-away ones - and I'm not taking supplies from hospitals where cotton gloves wouldn't be tenable.  But for going shopping or bringing in the mail and such, I figure it's way better than just bare hands, and because they can be washed, the 15 or 20 pair I bought will last me indefinitely.

Right now I'm wishing that I hadn't gotten rid of all of my handbell gloves, thinking I'd never use them again. 

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Our state is the similar...

20 minutes ago, Plum said:

My county finally updated. So much for an “old persons disease.”

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-students/chinese-students-fleeing-virus-hit-u-s-pay-20000-for-seats-on-private-jets-idUSKBN21C0SF

“U.S.-based Chinese students are scrambling to get home as U.S. infections top 50,000 while new cases in China - where the flu-like virus emerged in humans late last year - have fallen to zero. 

The sense of urgency is further heightened by the dramatic cutback in flight capacity. On Tuesday, 3,102 out of 3,800 planned commercial flights to and from China were canceled, according to aviation data provider VariFlight. 

“(Education) agents and schools are the ones making contact on behalf of the Chinese families looking to group together to arrange a private charter, given the lack of airline flights,” said Annelies Garcia, commercial director for Private Fly, a global booking service for charter flights. 

But even the window for chartered flights is closing fast, further elevating prices. Beijing has banned all chartered flights from overseas and Shanghai is expected to follow suit soon. Hong Kong and Macau have blocked transit flights. 

U.S-based Air Charter Service can fly passengers from Los Angeles to Shanghai on a 14-seat Bombardier 6000 for 2.3 million yuan ($325,300), or about $23,000 for a spot. 

“We have arranged a number of private jets traveling from the U.S. to China repatriating Chinese nationals with routes including New York and Boston to Shanghai, San Jose to Hong Kong and Los Angeles to Guangzhou,” said Glenn Phillips, a PR and advertising manager at Air Charter Service. 

“The prices range greatly depending on the positioning of the aircraft on the dates and time requested, and the exact route.” 

But even the well-heeled have to wrestle with logistics. 

Air charter providers have been notified informally that private jets registered in China are not allowed to land in the United States, and those registered in the United States cannot land in China, two sources at such firms told Reuters. 

“The Chinese government is reluctant to let people abroad to come back, though they cannot make it too obvious. We have received a lot of verbal guidance to restrict chartered flights these days and the door is closing rapidly,” one of them said. 

Jet operators circumvent the restrictions by either getting planes from other countries to run the U.S.-China routes or arranging transfers in Tokyo, they said. 

“Operators of U.S. or Chinese-registered aircraft are not permitted to land in each other’s countries at the moment, so for U.S.-China route inquiries, we are working with operators of long-range jets based elsewhere,” said Private Fly’s Garcia. 

The Civil Aviation Administration of China did not respond to a Reuters request for comment.”

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If you have a costco membership they are allowing to order by delivery 1 pkg kirkland brand toilet paper & paper towels per membership, to the member's home address only. Not available in every zip code, but paper towels are there in mine. TP isn't yet.  Still, that's an improvement.

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1 hour ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Just a note that our grocery delivery drivers are not allowed to accept tips. (Might vary where you are)

 

In California, ours depend on tips for their livelihood. I feel horrible that so many people don't understand that here, especially since shopping is taking them so much longer than usual and they are risking so much more by being out there. I'm definitely tipping a lot more than usual to compensate them for the extra time and risk.

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