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I read an interesting theory about the role that Italy's multigenerational households may play in the spread of the virus. Many young adults in Italy live under the same roof as their parents and grandparents, and they also often travel into the cities for work and socializing. The speculation is that young adults have been catching the virus while in the cities, then bringing it home and spreading it to the rest of their households - many of whom are/were frail and elderly.

Sorry if this has already been discussed. Yesterday was busy and I wasn't able to keep up with this thread.

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56 minutes ago, StellaM said:

@Pen, I do appreciate your patient advice, even if I sound a bit flippant.

I know I shouldn't be working in a school right now, and should be at home.

But there's no money otherwise.

I am still taking my Vit D 🙂

 

I think you are in a really and truly difficult situation.

 

I know local to me the powers that be didn’t want to shut down schools — but did so due to pressure of letters from voters, parents, some staff  (other teachers/  staff were still telling kids the “CV19 is less bad than flu, no big deal, all media hype” line) and increasing difficulty with teachers staying home and substitutes not wanting to go in.  

 

It really did seem to make a difference.

 

Glad you are taking your vitamin D!!!  Don’t forget your A, K2, E to go with it if dosing high 🙂

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16 minutes ago, Selkie said:

I read an interesting theory about the role that Italy's multigenerational households may play in the spread of the virus. Many young adults in Italy live under the same roof as their parents and grandparents, and they also often travel into the cities for work and socializing. The speculation is that young adults have been catching the virus while in the cities, then bringing it home and spreading it to the rest of their households - many of whom are/were frail and elderly.

Sorry if this has already been discussed. Yesterday was busy and I wasn't able to keep up with this thread.

There is also much intergenerational living in South Korea, with many people traveling between densely populated Seoul and the outer regions.  While I haven't been able to find statistics on the differences in intergenerational living, South Korea has had a very different outcome.

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I found this on thus difference between S. Korea and Italy. It seems like it comes down to early and wide spread testing. S.Korea also has some ways of monitoring those in self quarantine that might not fly every where.  
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/03/italy-south-korea-differ-tackling-coronavirus-outbreak-200313062505781.html

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https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article241376141.html?fbclid=IwAR3FsvtQ6G7V2fpCFMmaflgDyBqfeF9R9dPKUMqj8fPvO6fvPYpku6m82Dk

This article discusses rural issues, lack of hospitals,  resources, ect.  Rural areas also have s larger elderly population.   I know we would need to drive an hour to the local hospital- and its z small rural one, few ventilators, low bed count.  Normally they transfer anyone with serious issues.  That hospital serves several counties.

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@mathnerd

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/santa-clara-county-stockpiling-supplies-ahead-of-massive-testing-increase/2259085/

“Santa Clara County is running a stockpile drive for medical equipment as healthcare workers prepare to handle large numbers of patients when novel coronavirus testing begins ramp up in the region.

...

At a news conference Friday outside the Santa Clara Valley Medical Center in San Jose, Silicon Valley Leadership Group CEO Carl Guardino said that a call for supplies and cash the previous day led to total donations of about 171,300 surgical masks, 4,000 pairs of gloves, 2,000 bottles of hand sanitizer, 2,000 hazmat suits, 1,200 respirators and $596,551 in cash. 

But that won't be enough, and the county's health system needs more supplies, officials said Friday. 

Specifically, medical staff is in need of face shields and surgical masks, gowns, gloves, and sanitizing wipes, among other items.

A full list of needed supplies can be found at https://vmcfoundation.org/covid19list/.

By Friday afternoon, there were eight deaths from the COVID-19 coronavirus disease and the number of confirmed cases in Santa Clara County had reached 196.”

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Do we know what the truly mild symptoms are? It seems like many of the wealthy/celebrities say they have really no symptoms but are positive.

I'm just curious because I started with a sore throat and bad headache last week (which I've seen many recently mention as symptoms) them I had two days with an uncomfortable tickle in my chest. Never had that before. Now it's still a tickle when I take a breath but not as bad. I also have been coughing but not constant, just more than normal. I don't know if I've ever had fever but I also honestly can't remember the last time I did as I normally don't get one. It just seems like there isn't a lot of info about the really mild cases and some things I've read recently have me wondering. 

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3 hours ago, Quill said:

I don’t want to utter these words but I think it will be worse in the US than in Italy afa case load and number of deaths by percentage of population. I would say we are only 3-4 weeks behind Italy. There were still massive numbers of people here still not understanding this virus just a week ago. (At first, there was massive misinterpretation of school and activity closures, speaking just anecdotally, what I observed.) There are still wide swathes of people who believe....um, strange things...about this virus and are not accurately understanding the trajectory. Someone I know on FB was just yesterday asking if NY Governor Cuomo “can do math” because “there are only a thousand cases and he’s saying he needs 10,000 ventilators.” Obviously this is a person who does not understand what this could like like just a week from now. 

I look at the numbers every day and last night, looking at Italy, Germany, Spain, France, it just felt...dreamlike. Those numbers! Hundreds more deaths every day! Thousands new cases every day! It’s starting to be difficult to conceptualize it as people. People dying in isolation from a disease they never heard of a couple of months ago. 

I feel hopeless sometimes. 

 

I agree with you sadly.

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11 hours ago, SeaConquest said:

 

I am still getting emails from every single summer camp, claiming that they will go on and asking us to continue making our payments.

 

Yeah, I don't get that.  I am too.   I wonder when they will decide to close?  Some of these camps are in areas with SIP right now.  I know that may not happen in June, but still.  Life is not what it was a month ago.   This will still be there in June.  I don't know where on the curve we are going to be, but most likely a lot higher than now.  Our state has a ban on gatherings of more than 10 people, schools closed.  How do they think summer programs can even run?   And would we feel ok even sending our kids?  

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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-covid19-army-joins-production-line-ventilator-makers-12563620
“COVID-19: Army joins the production line as ventilator makers scramble to meet demand in Italy

(Updated: 21 Mar 2020 10:06PM)

ZURICH: On Mar 6, Gianluca Preziosa, the head of an Italian ventilator maker, received an urgent request. The Italian authorities wanted his help for an all-out effort to meet a desperate need for ventilators.

Now, his Bologna-based company, Siare Engineering International Group srl, has 25 army technicians working with its production supervisors to manage the expanded production and help assemble machines. The army also has made personnel available to the company’s suppliers, Preziosa said.

"Usually we produce 160 machines a month. The goal is to produce 2,000 in four months, so more than triple our monthly production," Preziosa told Reuters in an interview. The executive added that companies involved in the supply chain of producing ventilators "cannot respond to the enormous demand because this is a niche industry".

Siare belongs to a normally quiet corner of the medical equipment market that has found itself on the front line of the century’s biggest health crisis caused by the rapid spread of the new flu-like virus, which can lead to breathing difficulties and pneumonia in severe cases.

Ventilator makers are under pressure to sharply increase production even as the pandemic has disrupted the transport and supply of crucial parts, such as hoses, valves, motors and electronics – some of which come from China, the original epicentre of the outbreak that has killed more than 10,000 people across the globe.

Amid shortages, governments are turning to help from the military, enlisting other manufacturers and even looking to 3D printing in the hopes of ramping up production of the potentially life-saving breathing machines.

In Italy, a team of doctors has developed a way to provide oxygen to two people from one ventilator, therefore doubling capacity, according to the Italian region of Emilia Romagna’s commissioner for coronavirus.”

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16 minutes ago, Joker said:

Do we know what the truly mild symptoms are? It seems like many of the wealthy/celebrities say they have really no symptoms but are positive.

I'm just curious because I started with a sore throat and bad headache last week (which I've seen many recently mention as symptoms) them I had two days with an uncomfortable tickle in my chest. Never had that before. Now it's still a tickle when I take a breath but not as bad. I also have been coughing but not constant, just more than normal. I don't know if I've ever had fever but I also honestly can't remember the last time I did as I normally don't get one. It just seems like there isn't a lot of info about the really mild cases and some things I've read recently have me wondering. 

 

I’ve been reading descriptions of symptoms from people who have it.  Can be nothing. Can be like what you describe. Can seem like a cold. 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3csym38

science in action: Are You Carrying the Virus?

 

@Arcadia @Quill @Ausmumof3 @lewelma @mathnerd @regentrude @square_25  

Or tag at  any of you with engineering oriented family or acquaintances 

The end of radio program is a section on ventilators  and a crowd sourcing request for people to come together— people with design ideas, people who know what’s needed medically in the field, manufacturers with capacity to make them or parts etc

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22 minutes ago, Pen said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3csym38

science in action: Are You Carrying the Virus?

 

@Arcadia @Quill @Ausmumof3 @lewelma @mathnerd @regentrude @square_25  

Or tag at  any of you with engineering oriented family or acquaintances 

The end of radio program is a section on ventilators  and a crowd sourcing request for people to come together— people with design ideas, people who know what’s needed medically in the field, manufacturers with capacity to make them or parts etc

listening now.  It is very informative.   The Italian Dr. in England "No one ever won a war by building new hospitals, we need to build up our weapons - testing and..."  I can't remember the last one.  

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9 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I am trying to have a conversation with my teen that emphasises that I dislike the way the Chinese government handled this while respecting the Chinese citizens who have suffered and fought and particularly the doctors who were brave enough to speak out.  Hard to get the right distinction here because both my dh and son tend to just hear China - bad.  On the other hand the Chinese government seems very keen to make any criticism of the communist party a racial issue rather than a political thing.  I hope I’m doing it right.

When the general population in China believed since day 1 that this virus was brought over to harm China, when I was kicked out of a China chat group for speaking against this assumption, when now three months into this plague the Chinese official openly blamed the US army and every average Chinese believes and hates America, when the American donations were taken with no gratitude on the Chinese part, it is OK for Americans to lump them all together, and I say this with a heavy heart exactly because my own family in China are exactly among those believing lies and hating Americans. 

I do not blame your dc and your dh AT ALL. It is almost hard to distinguish the Chinese government and the Chinese people at this point. 

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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-experts-say-new-symptoms-could-be-loss-taste-or-smell-11961439

 

News you can use: 30% of people testing positive lose their sense of smell, even if otherwise asymptomatic. UK NHS (correction: not NHS, but a British medical society of nose doctors) is recommending self-quarantine if you lose your sense of smell.

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Joker said:

Do we know what the truly mild symptoms are? It seems like many of the wealthy/celebrities say they have really no symptoms but are positive.

I'm just curious because I started with a sore throat and bad headache last week (which I've seen many recently mention as symptoms) them I had two days with an uncomfortable tickle in my chest. Never had that before. Now it's still a tickle when I take a breath but not as bad. I also have been coughing but not constant, just more than normal. I don't know if I've ever had fever but I also honestly can't remember the last time I did as I normally don't get one. It just seems like there isn't a lot of info about the really mild cases and some things I've read recently have me wondering. 

I'm responding to this just so you know you aren't alone!  I haven't had a sore throat, but had a headache in my forehead (middle part) for 3 days.  I get bad sinus headaches, but those are usually on the right side at the temple.  I've also had a little tickle in my throat and very occasional coughing.  Better in the morning and worse as the day goes on.  I've been a bit freaked out to be honest having read how the symptoms are all over the place.  I've been home since Sunday night with my DH and 2 boys so at least we are quarantined.  If one of us has it, we will all have it at this point because we are a close family.  I don't think I've had a fever, but not sure.  I am feeling better today!  Allergies are also bad with tree pollen here.  I'm trying to eat healthy, take my vitamins and drink lots of water.

With symptoms like this, unless they test, we will not know if we have/had it unless we get much worse.  Sorry you are going through this too!

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WA Gov. Inslee's press briefing last night seemed more off-the-cuff than usual. He suggested threatening teen who are congregating with being written out of the will, and encouraged old ladies to stop going to sewing needle clubs (or something similar. DH and I were actually giggling at this point and missed some of the particulars.)

 

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2 hours ago, PrincessMommy said:

listening now.  It is very informative.   The Italian Dr. in England "No one ever won a war by building new hospitals, we need to build up our weapons - testing and..."  I can't remember the last one.  

 

He said “quarantine”

At our stage that may mean lockdowns/shelter in place until / unless testing can correctly tell who needs to be quarantined. 

He gave the example of town of 3000 where every single person was tested and every single positive person quarantined (might have been Vo, don’t think he said name, so maybe there’s somewhere else). 

But if “freedom” to be tested or not is a right in our society — and it seems like even if coming in from o/s or on cruise ship with known cases many people are refusing to get tested, Then  even if we get high capacity and inexpensive and fast turnaround tests, if people don’t get tested even when highly suspect situations exist, or if we cannot get enough tests to do large populations (as compared to a town of 3000) then lockdowns are pretty much all we have got. 

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8 minutes ago, mellifera33 said:

WA Gov. Inslee's press briefing last night seemed more off-the-cuff than usual. He suggested threatening teen who are congregating with being written out of the will, and encouraged old ladies to stop going to sewing needle clubs (or something similar. DH and I were actually giggling at this point and missed some of the particulars.)

 

I think that he's trying hard to keep from going to lockdown.  He wants the effect of a lockdown - no unnecessary contact with others - but still voluntary.  But unfortunately, while I think a good chunk off the populace is being responsible, there are those who aren't getting it either on purpose ("la-la-la, I can't hear you!") or because they truly don't really understand. 

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1 hour ago, JadeOrchidSong said:

When the general population in China believed since day 1 that this virus was brought over to harm China, when I was kicked out of a China chat group for speaking against this assumption, when now three months into this plague the Chinese official openly blamed the US army and every average Chinese believes and hates America, when the American donations were taken with no gratitude on the Chinese part, it is OK for Americans to lump them all together, and I say this with a heavy heart exactly because my own family in China are exactly among those believing lies and hating Americans. 

I do not blame your dc and your dh AT ALL. It is almost hard to distinguish the Chinese government and the Chinese people at this point. 

I believe you, but I do want to share a story.

We have hosted Chinese exchange students for a few summers. 

I asked one of them on Instagram how he was faring and he is fine. He asked us how we are. I told him that we’re in a sort of lock down, in that our state has shut most businesses.

He asked if we had face masks and I told him no and he insisted on sending me some.  He has bought them and is mailing them to me.

So, while I believe what you’re writing, I also know that there are Chinese people who don’t completely hate Americans.  Perhaps he doesn’t like “Americans” as a whole, but he is doing his best to take care of the Americans he knows personally.

 

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Regardless of how the virus started, it is here now and the entire world needs to deal with it.  I don't think that blame really helps us at this point.  I also don't think that blaming Asians in general or Chinese in particular is helpful to our society.  We have a very large Chinese population here and I knew back when the reports were first coming from Wuhan that we would get it eventually.  It's just the nature of a global economy etc. that wasn't shut down by any government until way too late.  I don't have a problem calling it COVID19.  I see absolutely no benefit from calling it the Wuhan Virus or Chinese Virus.  It doesn't make people safer.  It doesn't make people better.  And it has led to some discrimination and violence.  (Some of Asian descent have been targets in places and there were social media rumors not to go to Chinese markets here early on with absolutely no proof that anyone was actually ill.  Now of course, we all have to have social distancing etc. regardless of our race or ethnicity.) 

What matters is working together.  What matters is education.  What matters is helping others - giving blood, offering practical assistance, observing the social distancing rules and just simply being kind. 

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4 hours ago, Carrie12345 said:

As needed as it may be, I was worried about the lifting of trucking regulations. Our area had its first driver-fell-asleep accident. A whole trailer of food burned.

It might be more than just the long hours. I hear they are suffering from a lack of places to have a meaningful break--rest areas shut down and truck stops not allowing showers, etc. 

I know PA has opened up some rest areas with port a pots, but I think at least half are still shut down.

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1 hour ago, mellifera33 said:

WA Gov. Inslee's press briefing last night seemed more off-the-cuff than usual. He suggested threatening teen who are congregating with being written out of the will, and encouraged old ladies to stop going to sewing needle clubs

 

😳

(Vent warning ⚠️)

State of Emergency.

 Why entreat or beg parents to make probably idle threats?   Make clear they are breaking law and enforce it. 

😼 Jail.  The teens or partying college students etc etc  can enjoy much social closeness while quarantined together in holding cells packed as tight as they seem to enjoy being in beach pictures. (and get notations on permanent records, and maybe lose scholarships if any )  Pending hearings in court after the epidemic is over. 🤨

(Similar for terns deliberately coughing on store goods, or old folks (whether ladies or gentlemen, let’s not be sexist) refusing to keep social distance rules for elective activities )

 

and let them know if they do get sick they will be last priority for scarce hospital resources 😖💩

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13 minutes ago, kbutton said:

It might be more than just the long hours. I hear they are suffering from a lack of places to have a meaningful break--rest areas shut down and truck stops not allowing showers, etc. 

I know PA has opened up some rest areas with port a pots, but I think at least half are still shut down.

 

Sounds like more letter writing and calls —  like truck stops and rest areas need to be essential services ... 

How can citizens possibly help? 

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Just now, Pen said:

Sounds like more letter writing and calls —  like truck stops and rest areas need to be essential services ... 

How can citizens possibly help? 

I think the re-opening of some in PA is the result of calling and testing.

Maybe disaster-relief shower trailers at rest stops? 

I think the problem is cleaning. They are closing rest stops so that people don't have to clean them and probably so others won't feel as free about traveling. 

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41 minutes ago, Garga said:

He asked if we had face masks and I told him no and he insisted on sending me some.  He has bought them and is mailing them to me.

We know people working in FoxConn China and they were given plenty of masks for family use by their employer.  

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3 hours ago, Bootsie said:

There is also much intergenerational living in South Korea, with many people traveling between densely populated Seoul and the outer regions.  While I haven't been able to find statistics on the differences in intergenerational living, South Korea has had a very different outcome.

the epicenter in South Korea is Deagu, not Seoul.  And it started with a mega-church member.

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24 minutes ago, kbutton said:

I think the re-opening of some in PA is the result of calling and testing.

Maybe disaster-relief shower trailers at rest stops? 

I think the problem is cleaning. They are closing rest stops so that people don't have to clean them and probably so others won't feel as free about traveling. 

 

 Who, what entities, would one call or write to on this issue?  I would think it isn’t just PA. ?  

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14 minutes ago, Math teacher said:

Just got the notification the Dh's job is furloughing everyone starting Wednesday. He works for a tire manufacturing company.

I am sorry. 

Would you mind sharing your state or at least your region, if you're in the US? People are wondering when manufacturing and non-medical related construction are going to have the privilege of #StayHome, all over the country. 

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17 minutes ago, kbutton said:

I think the problem is cleaning. They are closing rest stops so that people don't have to clean them and probably so others won't feel as free about traveling. 

I heard today that some of the closings are because of the disappearance of toilet paper from rest stop bathrooms overnight.

So, 1 positive in my tiny, rural town (recent travel to Colorado is being cited as the reason), but the town library is still open, the dance studio is open (with class sizes < 10 normally but the dance teacher's DH just came back from out of the country), the yoga studio is open (class sizes "average" 10), and a small local gym is still open as far as I can tell. 

I am looking forward to when there is an antibody test like a diabetic's at home blood sugar test. Finger prick, blood spot, yes/no answer. (I like this reference better than the home pregnancy test one.)

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3 hours ago, Joker said:

Do we know what the truly mild symptoms are? It seems like many of the wealthy/celebrities say they have really no symptoms but are positive.

I'm just curious because I started with a sore throat and bad headache last week (which I've seen many recently mention as symptoms) them I had two days with an uncomfortable tickle in my chest. Never had that before. Now it's still a tickle when I take a breath but not as bad. I also have been coughing but not constant, just more than normal. I don't know if I've ever had fever but I also honestly can't remember the last time I did as I normally don't get one. It just seems like there isn't a lot of info about the really mild cases and some things I've read recently have me wondering. 

I've been wondering the exact same thing.

About three weeks ago, my dd came back from an out of state martial arts competition and rapidly developed a fever and cough. A few days later I got sick with a fever and a really bad sore throat with visible white lesions. Went to the doctor, was tested for strep, that came back negative. The fever and sore throat went away but ever since then I have had fatigue, headache, and a tickle or tightness in my chest. Very little coughing.

Our state is still short on tests so I don't think I could convince anyone to test me but I do wonder. And worry. I could have been spreading this around the community and never know. 

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I’m positive there are people in China who think the virus is a US attack just like there are people in America who think the reverse. Both groups may even be a majority. Fortunately, there are sentient beings here and there who know otherwise. Many of them send me their children for English lessons each week. They frequently ask how we are faring and are watching the news for updates. They are recording messages of encouragement and reaching out on WeChat. I don’t see any value in amplifying the stupid people on either side.

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2 hours ago, Pen said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3csym38

science in action: Are You Carrying the Virus?

 

@Arcadia @Quill @Ausmumof3 @lewelma @mathnerd @regentrude @square_25  

Or tag at  any of you with engineering oriented family or acquaintances 

The end of radio program is a section on ventilators  and a crowd sourcing request for people to come together— people with design ideas, people who know what’s needed medically in the field, manufacturers with capacity to make them or parts etc

 

@Arcadia @Pen @Ausmumof3 @square_25

In a great example of what can happen when smart, technically-oriented people come together in a time of need, an open-source hardware project started by a group including Irish entrepreneur Colin Keogh and Breeze Automation CEO and co-founder Gui Calavanti has produced a prototype ventilator using 3D-printed parts and readily available, inexpensive material.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/open-source-project-spins-up-3d-printed-ventilator-validation-prototype-in-just-one-week/

Also, Tesla, GM and Ford are committed to manufacturing ventilators. Tesla is a market disruptor and game changer and I am confident that when they enter a manufacturing space, they will change the old and established way of doing things and come out with a great ventilator design that could also be manufactured in large numbers efficiently. The Siemens and other ventilator makers are going to have a lot of competition in that market space when things get back to normal.

On another note, there is a "national stockpile" of ventilators available which is a secret stash for emergencies (chatter on the internet says that perhaps the lawmakers get first dibs on it).

There are also some machines in federally stockpiled emergency supplies, though the exact number isn’t public.

“There is a strategic national stockpile of ventilators, but the numbers are classified,” says Toner. It’s been “publicly stated,” he says, that there are about 10,000 ventilators in the national stockpile. “That number might be a bit outdated, but it’s probably about right,” he says. Other estimates range from 4,000 to somewhat less than 10,000.

https://wbhm.org/npr_story_post/2020/as-the-pandemic-spreads-will-there-be-enough-ventilators/

 

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So, I've been wondering, "Who the heck goes on a cruise at a time like this?"

The answer, apparently, is my mother in law's brother and his girlfriend, who are almost 80.  He got back recently and has developed some kind of severe kidney problem.  He's hospitalized, but the nephrologists won't see him because he hasn't been back two weeks (and I'm certain he's one who wouldn't stay in quarantine), and they don't want to contract Covid 19 and spread it to vulnerable patients with kidney disease.  

Such an idiot.  

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22 hours ago, SKL said:

That is different from what the news story that I googled said.  Of course the news story could be wrong.  But my usual local news source was not reporting the death at all, despite reporting a number of other Coronavirus related things on a frequent basis.

I think you can trust the CDC website....

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/reporting-pui.html

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1 hour ago, calbear said:

This is helpful for those in your circles who just can't process the math. I don't know how you can make it any more obvious.

 

SocialDistancing.jpg

This is a good chart.  The problem I'm seeing with the (few) people I know who seem to be ignoring the need to social distance are also -- probably BECAUSE everyone else is being so careful -- not seeing a big increase in cases.  So, they're still not connecting "social distance" with "less increase."   They are seeing "less increase" with "therefore it's really not so bad."

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3 hours ago, BusyMom5 said:

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article241376141.html?fbclid=IwAR3FsvtQ6G7V2fpCFMmaflgDyBqfeF9R9dPKUMqj8fPvO6fvPYpku6m82Dk

This article discusses rural issues, lack of hospitals,  resources, ect.  Rural areas also have a larger elderly population.   I know we would need to drive an hour to the local hospital- and its a small rural one, few ventilators, low bed count.  Normally they transfer anyone with serious issues.  That hospital serves several counties.

Thank you for posting this. I am in this general geographic region & my tiny town does have a hospital but with very few beds & I don't know if we have any ventilators.

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47 minutes ago, kbutton said:

I think the re-opening of some in PA is the result of calling and testing.

Maybe disaster-relief shower trailers at rest stops? 

I think the problem is cleaning. They are closing rest stops so that people don't have to clean them and probably so others won't feel as free about traveling. 

 

Vermont's closed yesterday, but I believe they not have porta potties at all of them. One of the main reasons is that most of the people volunteering at the rest areas are elderly and at a higher risk of getting ill. I wonder if they could re-open and hire some of the workers that have been recently laid off. 

 

https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Vermont-rest-areas-close-facilities-add-port-a-pottiesVermont-rest-areas-close-facilities-add-port-a-pottiesVermont-rest-areas-close-facilities-add-port-a-potties-568972561.html

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Coronavirus: FAA issues temporary ground stop for NYC, Philadelphia airports

 

The Federal Aviation Administration has issued a temporary ground stop for all flights leaving from New York City-area airports because of coronavirus-related staffing issues at a regional air-traffic control center.

In an alert posted online Saturday, the agency advised air traffic controllers to "stop all departures" to Kennedy, LaGuardia, Newark and other airports in the region. The directive also affects Philadelphia International Airport.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/03/21/coronavirus-faa-temporary-ground-stop-jfk-laguardia-newark-philadelphia/2891750001/

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you know, there have been multiple cases where people went out after knowing they had/probably-had (were being tested because they were symptomatic) this virus.  there needs to be criminal charges (assuming they survive).  I think of the man who got on the jet-blue cross country flight knowing he was being tested, received confirmation he had it before the plane took off - and stayed on it anyway.  Jet blue banned him from ever flying with them, but there needs to be criminal charges for this.

then the woman at the mega church in Deagu South Korea.  she went to church AFTER she was told to be tested because she was symptomatic.  (and she'd gone to church the previous week when she probably was contagious - but (I think) not symptomatic.)

those are just two cases.

a third case is a homeless guy in seattle who walked off from a quarantine facility while waiting for test results (they were negative.)., shoplifted at a nearby store, then hopped on a metro bus.  I agree with the kent mayor if people are going to be quarantined, there has to be a way of enforcing it because some people just don't care about anyone else.

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29 minutes ago, Seasider too said:

Speaking of those-who-knew, has there been further news on the daddy-daughter-dance folks?

Last I saw, the father still tested negative and they were complying with quarantine.  I haven’t seen any other cases publicly linked to them, but ya know, testing shortages.  Feels like that happened years ago.

The ones we know about in the area so far have been travel-related or transmission within healthcare (docs, nurses).  Pretty much everything has been shut down around here.  There’s supposed to be a stay-at-home order coming soon, but I don’t know anyone who isn’t already doing that.  My mom and I both have made grocery runs and the stores were practically empty.  Almost no traffic.  There is literally nothing to do except buy food/necessities and walk a dog.  It’s like Father-Daughter Dance Rich Dude provoked everyone in my Very Much Not Rich county to give that guy the middle finger and take it more seriously from the start.

ETA:  I take that back, there are some cases associated with a preschool and somewhere else.  It’s all getting jumbled in my head these days.

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