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Global Level 4 Health Advisory – Do Not Travel

 

Global Health Advisory
March 19, 2020

Level 4: Do Not Travel

The Department of State advises U.S. citizens to avoid all international travel due to the global impact of COVID-19.  In countries where commercial departure options remain available, U.S. citizens who live in the United States should arrange for immediate return to the United States, unless they are prepared to remain abroad for an indefinite period.  U.S. citizens who live abroad should avoid all international travel.  Many countries are experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks and implementing travel restrictions and mandatory quarantines, closing borders, and prohibiting non-citizens from entry with little advance notice.  Airlines have cancelled many international flights and several cruise operators have suspended operations or cancelled trips.  If you choose to travel internationally, your travel plans may be severely disrupted, and you may be forced to remain outside of the United States for an indefinite timeframe.

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Katy said:

 

No.  Malaria isn't a virus, it's a parasite.  It's like lyme in that if it gets past a certain point before you get treatment, it can recur months or even years later. I've heard stories about Vietnam Vets having a recurrence of it 20 years after Vietnam who haven't left the states in decades. I don't know how the drug treats malaria, but I know how it helps treat autoimmune diseases and CV19: it dampens the immune response and cytokine storm.  Ironic that all those people saying not to take advil because it does the same thing (in a lesser way) may be advising people to stop the only over the counter drug that might help.

On a related track though, I wonder if the gene for sickle cell that makes people more resistant to malaria also somehow stops a cytokine storm or somehow makes you less likely to have symptoms of CV19, and if that might be the reason there aren't outbreaks in Africa.

It seems to me, and I don’t know a ton about it, that it must have some other mechanism also with covid-19. The study from France said people were showing negative for the virus extremely early after being treated with chloroquine.

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My state just cancelled the required assessment testing for students for this year. Pennsylvania. We call them PSSA and Keystone exams here in PA.  (ETA, To clarify: For public schoolers, not for homeschoolers.)

https://www.wfmz.com/health/coronavirus/pssa-keystone-exams-cancelled-in-pa-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/article_68948616-6a1a-11ea-a383-4f59d458865b.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share

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For those who need to order food for themselves or relatives

 https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/list-companies-offering-deals-discount-freebies-coronavirus/2256595/

“&Pizza

Hospital workers are invited to stop by their local &Pizza for a free pizza! All you have to do is show your hospital ID. If you're too busy to leave work, &Pizza will deliver it. Just text 200-03 #HERO

Regular customers can also take advantage of free delivery with their orders.

Blaze Pizza

Blaze Pizza is offering free delivery across the country. All you have to do is order on their website or app and spend $10 or more. You can also score free delivery on Postmates until March 22 or on DoorDash until March 22.

Burger King

Beginning Monday, March 20, Burger King is giving away two free kids meals with any purchase made through its app for take-out or drive-thru orders. The offer is valid through April 6 and can be redeemed once daily. 

The fast-food chain also has free delivery via its mobile app for orders over $10.

Chipotle

Chipotle will deliver orders of $10 or more for free from March 15 through March 31 within its delivery areas and with participating stores only. The waiver is only applicable when you order at chipotle.com or on the Chipotle app.

Del Taco

Use code DELTACONOW for free delivery on Postmates until March 20. No minimum purchase. Delivery is also free on DoorDash for first-time customers. The company promises your order will be sealed to minimize any potential risk for customers.

El Pollo Loco

Along with offering sealed, tamper-proof delivery bags, the company is also offering free delivery on Grubhub at participating locations until April 7.

Just Salad

Just Salad is also offering free deliveries on salads ordered through its website and app. The offer runs through March 31.

KFC

KFC is making it easier to enjoy a bucket of fried chicken from the comfort of your own home by offering free delivery now through April 26. Order online on kfc.com

Moe's Southwest Grill

You can pick up your order yourself or have it delivered for free, now through April 10 for all orders over $10 placed online and in the app.

Popeyes

Popeyes is offering free delivery through its mobile app and website.

Sweetgreen

The fast-casual chain is thanking medical personnel and hospital workers by delivering free salads and bowls directly to them. If your health facility could use an Outpost, head to bit.ly/sgimpactoutpost, fill out a form and a member of the Sweetgreen Outpost team will be in touch.

Uber Eats

The food delivery service has waived delivery fees for more than 100,000 independent restaurants in the U.S. and Canada to support the restaurant industry "through an uncertain season," a press release read. Uber Eats will also provide 300,000 free meals through its app to first responders and health care professionals in the two North American countries.”

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1 hour ago, Katy said:

  Ironic that all those people saying not to take advil because it does the same thing (in a lesser way) may be advising people to stop the only over the counter drug that might help.

actually, the recommendation not to use Ibuprofen has been withdrawn by the WHO.

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For anyone curious, my granddaughter was diagnosed as basically having panic attacks. My dil is very anxious about it all (she is an AML survivor and ds has lupus and damaged lungs from PEs) I told her to put her kids on a media blackout and not talk in front of them. 

My 10 yr old has been anxious so we stopped all conversation in front of her 2 days ago. Just be careful to watch how these conversations are impacting your younger kids.

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4 minutes ago, 8FillTheHeart said:

For anyone curious, my granddaughter was diagnosed as basically having panic attacks. My dil is very anxious about it all (she is an AML survivor and ds has lupus and damaged lungs from PEs) I told her to put her kids on a media blackout and not talk in front of them. 

My 10 yr old has been anxious so we stopped all conversation in front of her 2 days ago. Just be careful to watch how these conversations are impacting your younger kids.

We've had to take similar measures.  We're not super anxious as adults, but overhearing the news was too much for a couple of our kids. 

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Along the anxiety line -- we have adults who are required to work in crowded situations (whether retail, construction, warehouse, or factory) with no precautions being taken. It came to my attention that some of them are actually very afraid, while they've continued to go to work anyway. They're washing hands and doing all they can, but obviously their entire workplace could easily be infected, AND they are afraid they will bring it home to those of us who are high risk. So because of that reality, and to honor courage in the face of fear, I placed a moratorium on the constant talk of the pandemic. I'm doing all the protocols to keep home as safe as possible, and I make sure everyone knows the current recommendations. Beyond that, I am giving these workers peace at home.

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11 minutes ago, CuriousMomof3 said:

 

I agree with this, although I'd say that teenagers probably need to be protected too.

Anxiety is super high in our household, because I have a kid with advanced heart/lung disease, and unless it's a conversation that we've planned for the sake of the kids (e.g. if we need to explain a new restriction, or ask a question they've raised), then we aren't talking about it in front oft the kids.  In our case that's tricky because DH and almost never alone together without a child in the room.  Yesterday, we got about 15 minutes alone time, which is the first we've had this week.  So, all our anxious conversations and decision making is happening over emails.  

I agree, but older kids have more self-determination. My 21 and 18 yr olds have been talking about it constantly. 14 yod is hanging out with them. No way to stop that.

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So in the past hour, this has happened:

My state (PA) cancelled their public school assessment testings.

My state said that all non-life-sustaining businesses must close. If they don't then "enforcement actions" begin on Sat at 12:01 a.m.

And the US is now on a Do Not Travel advisory.  

 

I can't keep up!!  I'm trying, though.

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5 minutes ago, pitterpatter said:

Out of curiosity, why is New York the only state doing bulk testing? Where did they get all their tests all of a sudden? It's seems like their positives go up a 1,000 every couple of hours. 

I think they started making their own tests.  The results going up were ones taken several days ago.  It's taking 1-5 days to get results.

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2 minutes ago, freesia said:

I think they started making their own tests.  The results going up were ones taken several days ago.  It's taking 1-5 days to get results.

 

9 minutes ago, pitterpatter said:

Out of curiosity, why is New York the only state doing bulk testing? Where did they get all their tests all of a sudden? It's seems like their positives go up a 1,000 every couple of hours. 


https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-testing#overview

“The FDA has approved New York State to authorize the state's 28 public and private labs to begin manual, semi-automated and automated testing for novel coronavirus, or COVID-19. 

The approval will allow the state to dramatically increase testing capacity to about 6,000 tests per day in the next week. The approval also extends to the Roche high-volume platform for testing.

Testing is free to all eligible New Yorkers as ordered by a health care provider or by calling the NYS COVID-19 hotline at 1-888-364-3065.

Your local health department is your community contact for COVID19 concerns.

The single most important thing we can do to combat and contain the novel coronavirus is test for it.

Governor Andrew Cuomo”

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I've lost track of this post and maybe someone has already posted about this, but ABC is reporting that Africa is seeing an "extremely rapid" rise in cases. I know somebody was asking why we weren't hearing about deaths in Africa and wondering if certain races might be more immune. On that line of thinking though, there's a family in NJ were 3 members have already died and 4 are in the hospital with 3 being in critical condition. They are an Italian-American family and it did make me wonder if genetics could have some impact on how people respond. It's an interesting thought, but I don't think anywhere in the world is being spared.

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6 minutes ago, Thatboyofmine said:

That’s pretty much us, too.  We have three working, so while I disinfect at home and ask them to not bring shoes in, wash hands, etc, there’s not really any point in trying to do everything perfectly or to keep bringing it up.  There’s nothing they can do about it, so....  in fact, ds’s job just laid more hours on him so he’s probably hit full time now.   Even in a pandemic, life keeps moving. 

Garga posted upthread that her state closed all non-life sustaining businesses. That may be the future. If it gets to that point, I hope they'll also move retail to pickup only, to protect workers.

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CNN link for today: https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-19-20-intl-hnk/h_82563a65844f021393cad5c9d0613a3d

The headlines that pop out to me are:

1. US preparing for 18 month long strain, with waves of illness. I'm seeing this reported across multiple newspapers, I think these all tie back to that Imperial College study.

2. Two army mobile hospitals have been activated. One is based out of WA state, the other out of KY.

3. US state department Level 4 warning

4. critical blood shortages

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9 hours ago, 8FillTheHeart said:

The one mom who died, 55, mom of 3, no underlying conditions, good health, active lifestyle does not fit the mantra profile. Children are in critical condition.

 

Cytokine storm appears to occur in people who have particular genetic mutations in about 10 or so proteins that influence the perforin gene. Most likely, the family has one or more of those mutations. All that is needed is one mutation.

https://www.uab.edu/reporter/know-more/publications/item/8909-here-s-a-playbook-for-stopping-deadly-cytokine-storm-syndrome

The US should be using the CytoSorb device to remove excess cytokines but, although it was invented in the US, it is not yet approved for use here in the US although it's been used since 2013 in the EU and is being used even in China and Italy now and soon Iran.

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/cytosorbents-provides-update-on-cytosorb-and-covid-19-coronavirus-activities/

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The underlying cause for these complications is often a cytokine storm that results in a massive, systemic inflammatory response, leading to the damage of vital organs such as the lungs, heart, and kidneys, and ultimately multiple organ failure and death in many cases.  Steroids are being used reflexively to try to control this inflammation, despite WHO recommendations against using steroids in COVID-19 infection, and evidence from other coronavirus infections (e.g. SARS and MERS) and influenza that its use can delay viral clearance and increase mortality. 

This is why CytoSorb represents a potentially promising option in helping to treat these patients, and get them out of the ICU faster, thereby relieving this bottleneck.  Although CytoSorb does not kill or remove the virus, it has been used in more than 80,000 treatments as an approved treatment of cytokine storm in the European Union and distributed in 58 countries around the world, where it has helped physicians control severe inflammation while helping to reverse shock, and improve respiratory and other organ function.  And again, these complications are often the real reason patients die of COVID-19 infection.

Over the past two weeks, multiple patients with at least respiratory failure, shock, or kidney failure, in multiple hospitals in Wuhan, China have been treated with CytoSorb.  Based on preliminary positive feedback on patient outcomes, we have responded to a request for additional devices and have now delivered a second shipment of CytoSorb devices to our partner in China, intended for new critically-ill COVID-19 patients. 

In addition, we have learned of the first initial treatments of CytoSorb on COVID-19 patients in intensive care units in Italy.  Though challenging to get feedback on how these patients have done, due to the overwhelming workload of the treating physicians, we hope to have more information soon.  Meanwhile, we have also received an additional order from Iran, another country where coronavirus infection has been rapidly spreading.

 

 

This is fantastic technology. Why aren't we using it? Do we have to let thousands or millions die first?

Btw, for ARDS vitamin C IV can be helpful. I talked to an MD yesterday who said they are "miraculous" for ARDS when he used them on patients. Parts of China are using IVC as their first line of treatment with pretty good results.

Vitamin C, thiamine and corticosteroids also have recently been used with good success for cytokine storm in both an adult trial and a pediatric trial (Lurie Children's Hospital in Chicago). I linked those studies within the past week in this thread.

Germany and Austria still use oxygen and ozone therapy which was used here in the US about 100 years ago. Once penicillin was discovered, we stopped using it even though it had a very good record and is extremely safe (breathing it in would not be, though). Some MDs still use it to treat all kinds of conditions. I spoke with a virologist and he thinks it would work very well on this corornavirus. It works by oxidizing the sulfhydryl groups. A DIV (direct intravenous) of oxygen/ozone would take 2-5" to administer and is very potent. My son, who has to work long hours, will be getting a saline ozone IV soon. He's also been getting IVC. Both can be used as preventives.

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https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/19/news/coronavirus_tamponi_da_brescia_a_stati_uniti-251735473/?refresh_ce

In Italian, but essentially the US bought a bunch of coronavirus tests in Italy (from the Brescia region) and then flew them to the US. I'll attach the google translate of the first few paragraphs.  Tampons is a mistranslation....tamponi = test swabs in English. My Italian is pretty rough though, so I'm not even going to try to translate it on my own. 

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The whole world says it's a war. And for the first time in history it seems to be everyone against everyone, without any alliances. Each nation thinks for itself, using every means to guarantee the winning weapons against the virus: tampons, masks, respirators. So the United States managed to buy half a million kits to detect the infection in Brescia. And they moved them to Memphis in a military plane.

America celebrated on Wednesday for the arrival of a load of tampons, just half a million pieces. An impressive supply: in our country since the beginning of the epidemic, just over 100 thousand have been made. But that supply landed in the USA came from the American base in Aviano, not far from Pordenone. Yes, in Italy there was a colossal reserve of diagnostic tests, available a few tens of kilometers from the epicenter of Covid-19: tools that our regions seek in every way to stem the spread of the disease but that they cannot find .

The announcement of the transatlantic expedition was made on Istagram, together with the photo of the hold of an Air Force C-17 Globemaster quadrireactor full of containers with kits. Then the post was removed. But the news found official confirmation in the words of the Pentagon spokesman, Jonathan Hoffman. "There are multiple elements to take the test - explained General Paul Friedrichs, of the central medical command - The first are the swabs that are used to collect the samples from people, then there is the liquid where to develop them. This is what we have brought from Italy. " The general said that the materials are produced in the US and abroad, without specifying where they were found. And he added: "This is a great example of how nations work together to ensure that global questions are answered."

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@mathnerd@Chrysalis Academy@MEmama@crazyforlatin@mirabillis@Roadrunner@sassenach
https://abc7news.com/health/coronavirus-updates-gov-newsom-asks-prestrump-to-deploy-hospital-ship-to-la-/5906450/
“2:30 p.m.
Gov. Newsom asks Pres. Trump to deploy USNS Mercy Hospital Ship to Port of LA as COVID-19 projected to infect 56% of CA population
California Governor Gavin Newsom wrote a letter to President Trump requesting USNS Mercy Hospital Ship to Los Angeles to help decompress the current health care delivery system in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. In the letter, Newsom said the state health care delivery system has been impacted by the rapid increase of COVID-19 cases with 126 new cases, a 21% increase, within 24 hours. Newsom said the state projects roughly 56% of the California population -22.5million people- will be infected with COVID-19 in an eight week period. The hospital ship would ensure the LA region has access to critical care needs such as heart attacks, strokes or vehicle accidents and the rise of COVID-19 cases. Gov. Newsom requested that the medical ship would be stationed at the Port of LA through September 1. See the full letter here.”

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South China Morning Post:

more on the story of the woman who flew from US to China...looks like she is facing criminal charges: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3076039/woman-who-flew-us-china-coronavirus-test-faces-criminal-charges

possible patient 0--November 17--: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

 

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King county Washington- a couple of field hospitals are going up in anticipation of an explosion in hospitalizations. This article references one going up in a soccer field. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/king-county-to-put-200-bed-field-hospital-on-shoreline-soccer-field-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/%3famp=1

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Ya'll, I'm not saying this to IRL people, but I'm feeling a bit hopeless about all of this 😭!  The world is changed forever.  Our kids lives are changed forever.  It is breaking my heart.  And...when people we know IRL start getting it, 😭😭?!?!?!

So sorry, but I just needed to put it out somwhere.  I can't on FB because people are pissed that other people seemed to know so much and have apparently become MD's overnight.  That other people seems to know what is best for all of humanity!  I'm like just stay the %^&$ in your house so you don't spread it, get it, or die!!!  Why is this so hard for people to understand?!?!?

 

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11 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

King county Washington- a couple of field hospitals are going up in anticipation of an explosion in hospitalizations. This article references one going up in a soccer field. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/king-county-to-put-200-bed-field-hospital-on-shoreline-soccer-field-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/%3famp=1

 

9 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

I don’t know why my links don’t seem to be clickable?

No idea. I copied your link without the amp portion  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/king-county-to-put-200-bed-field-hospital-on-shoreline-soccer-field-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

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8 minutes ago, mlktwins said:

Ya'll, I'm not saying this to IRL people, but I'm feeling a bit hopeless about all of this 😭!  The world is changed forever.  Our kids lives are changed forever.  It is breaking my heart.  And...when people we know IRL start getting it, 😭😭?!?!?!

So sorry, but I just needed to put it out somwhere.  I can't on FB because people are pissed that other people seemed to know so much and have apparently become MD's overnight.  That other people seems to know what is best for all of humanity!  I'm like just stay the %^&$ in your house so you don't spread it, get it, or die!!!  Why is this so hard for people to understand?!?!?

 

I have to admit to having a few emotional ups and downs here.  Sometimes it seems like it won’t be that bad and at others it really seems like it will.  It’s ok to take a news break and just spend some time enjoying your kids and family and doing a daily check on anything that might directly affect you.

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10 minutes ago, mlktwins said:

Ya'll, I'm not saying this to IRL people, but I'm feeling a bit hopeless about all of this 😭!  The world is changed forever.  Our kids lives are changed forever.  It is breaking my heart.  And...when people we know IRL start getting it, 😭😭?!?!?!

So sorry, but I just needed to put it out somwhere.  I can't on FB because people are pissed that other people seemed to know so much and have apparently become MD's overnight.  That other people seems to know what is best for all of humanity!  I'm like just stay the %^&$ in your house so you don't spread it, get it, or die!!!  Why is this so hard for people to understand?!?!?

 

Look at history.  The world has kept spinning through all kinds of crazy plagues.  People are in denial for all kinds of reasons, including as a (bad) coping mechanism. As much as we may want to control the behavior of our loved ones, we can't.  

I'm spending less time on the 'net and more on normal life tasks.  It really does help.  Take a breather. We're in this for a marathon.

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1 hour ago, mom2scouts said:

I've lost track of this post and maybe someone has already posted about this, but ABC is reporting that Africa is seeing an "extremely rapid" rise in cases. I know somebody was asking why we weren't hearing about deaths in Africa and wondering if certain races might be more immune. On that line of thinking though, there's a family in NJ were 3 members have already died and 4 are in the hospital with 3 being in critical condition. They are an Italian-American family and it did make me wonder if genetics could have some impact on how people respond. It's an interesting thought, but I don't think anywhere in the world is being spared.

 

My guess is age.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age

 

Just a guess

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3 hours ago, StellaM said:

 

This is why I am not finding the 'jump' that's apparently 'just new o/s arrivals before the borders close', reassuring. We know about the jump in o/s travellers and their contacts, because here, that's the only people they are testing. We have no idea what community transmission is like, because the sick in the community can't access testing. 

It's why I'm being pushed to err on the side of caution re work. Maybe there truly is no community transmission here, and everyone with Covid 19 symptoms has the flu (possible), but without testing, there is no way to have any accuarate numbers on that, and so one can only make a blind estimate of one's own risk. Under-estimating could be fatal. I am angry that there is insufficient information for at-risk populations in particular to make better, more accurate decisions.

They are testing others in my state. I personally know someone being tested. They haven’t traveled overseas

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2 hours ago, regentrude said:

actually, the recommendation not to use Ibuprofen has been withdrawn by the WHO.

 

Really?  I never saw documentation that the WHO said anything about it at all, I just saw a bunch of memes with no sourcing CLAIMING the WHO had taken a position on it.

2 hours ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

 I’ve been seeing warnings around FB to not use elderberries if you think you have the virus, but can’t be tested. Anyone?

 

Early in this thread this was discussed, but it hasn't been studied with this virus.  Basically the conclusion was it HAD been shown to help flocks of chickens survive different strains of coronavirus but there was also concern that elderberries can increase cytokine storms and aren't appropriate for people with autoimmune or inflammatory conditions.  In reality it's all guesswork, because elderberries also decrease inflammation.

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3 hours ago, TCB said:

It seems to me, and I don’t know a ton about it, that it must have some other mechanism also with covid-19. The study from France said people were showing negative for the virus extremely early after being treated with chloroquine.

 

You're right.  One of the medical commentators for CBS news said it has antiviral and anti-inflammatory effects.

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6 hours ago, Arcadia said:

@Pen@J-rap@8FillTheHeart@square_25@Pawz4me@Arctic Mama
https://abc7news.com/health/live-trump-says-fda-to-approve-drugs-for-covid-19-treatment/6027491/

“CORONAVIRUS CRISIS: President Donald Trump said the FDA is approving two drugs -- the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine and antiviral drug Gilead's remdesivir -- for coronavirus treatment.”

 

Glad to hear that!  I hope they turn out to work well!

6 hours ago, Seasider too said:

 

Remember, Tylenol, not ibuprofen!

Praying for you!

 

Aside from ibuprofen caution apparently released (???), it might be best to allow fever to happen if not dangerously high.  ???

6 hours ago, happysmileylady said:

Actually I think the article is an opinion piece based on the Imperial College report that does presume no pharmaceutical interventions.  And that's because the very fact that this virus is new means that we don't know what may or may not treat it.  Drugs that are already in existence are already being used to treat this.  Studies and reviews on effectivness, safety, treatment protocols are of course just beginning, but many docs aren't waiting for that.  The medical information is changing and evolving as fast the the reports of deaths and cases are coming in.  This virus is very contagious and moving fast, but the truth is, our society and technology and medicine is really moving at like LIGHTNING SPEED on this.  There are already parmaceutical interventions being not just explored but used.   Today.  There are patients receiving the antivirals that the were mentioned above, somewhere in the world now.  And these are not the only pharmaceutical interventions being looked at, explored, and researched.  I think it's necessary to look at what could happen if nothing changes from a medical standpoint.  But I think that having that information is only important to help in decision making, and shouldn't be taken as some sort of dire prediction about our way of life ending.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, prairiewindmomma said:

I think the other gap in understanding is in statistics.  Just because you have a higher mortality rate in a certain demographic doesn't mean that the other demographics are excused from getting the disease.  I think the NJ(?) cases still fit within the data we see from China and Italy. The young are just more likely to pull out of criticality because they have more "reserves" in their bodies.

 

But the younger are still an enormous issue as to overwhelming the medical system.  And we also don’t know if they may sometimes have long term problems. And even just being sick in hospital, maybe aiCU is still a big deal for most lives

 

1 hour ago, BeachGal said:

 

Cytokine storm appears to occur in people who have particular genetic mutations in about 10 or so proteins that influence the perforin gene. Most likely, the family has one or more of those mutations. All that is needed is one mutation.

https://www.uab.edu/reporter/know-more/publications/item/8909-here-s-a-playbook-for-stopping-deadly-cytokine-storm-syndrome

The US should be using the CytoSorb device

 

This is the type of thing I have tried to bring to attention of relevant government entities.  Letters, calls, etc.  I do think they pay attention. 

 

 

 

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Some worldometer.info news jumping out at me:

  • alert 5322 new cases and 427 new deaths in Italy. Italy's death toll surpasses China's, becoming the country with the highest number of coronavirus deaths in the world [source] [source]

    • Italian army trucks form a long line in the center of Bergamo to transport the coffins from the Bergamo cemetery to cremation sites in other regions, as morgues can't cope with more coronavirus deaths [source and video]
    • Obituaries in the local newspaper went from 1.5 pages (on Feb. 9) to 10 pages (on March 13)  [source and video]
  • alert 3308 new cases and 193 new deaths in Spain. [source]. A 37-year-old Spanish civil guard with no underlying health conditions has died of coronavirus yesterday. He had been admitted to the Quirón hospital in Alcorcón (Madrid) for several days before being admitted to the ICU a few days ago [source]
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1 hour ago, BeachGal said:

 

The US should be using the CytoSorb device to remove excess cytokines but, although it was invented in the US, it is not yet approved for use here in the US although it's been used since 2013 in the EU and is being used even in China and Italy now and soon Iran.

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/cytosorbents-provides-update-on-cytosorb-and-covid-19-coronavirus-activities/

 

This is fantastic technology. Why aren't we using it? Do we have to let thousands or millions die first?

 

 

@BeachGal Does Randy Cron, MD, advocate for the use of CytoSorb? 

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20 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

BTW, if you want to look at only US numbers...

according to stats placing suicide at about 48000 in 2018.....that means over 130 committed suicide...............................yesterday in the US.  

 

Please, everyone living in the US say........................holy smokes. (or, whatever other explictive  you prefer.)

I fail to see how this is helpful. Of course it is a terrible and too common way to die. But it won’t infect me at the grocery store or put my community in overflowing hospitals. 

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  • 14 new cases and 1 new death in Argentina. The country will go into complete lockdown starting at midnight and until March 31. There will be no free movement on the streets, with prison terms for those who violate the measure. President Alberto Fernández to make the announcement soon [source] [source]

 

————

 

prison terms particularly  

I think we need something like that as well—for example for the  ———

 

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Switzerland looks like it’s heading into a steep graph climb

Germany starting to have more deaths

 

Africa starting into more confirmed cases (I suspect it was s little later both to get going as an illness there and to be able to do testing), and I expect Africa will be hit badly by CV19, not have some special immunity

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@Pen @BeachGal

30 page pdf https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2020/03/16/peds.2020-0702.full.pdf

“METHODS: Nationwide case series of 2143 pediatric patients with COVID-19 reported to the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention from January 16 to February 8, 2020 were included. The epidemic curves were constructed by key dates of disease onset and case diagnosis. Onset-to-diagnosis curves were constructed by fitting a log-normal distribution to data on both onset and diagnosis dates.

RESULTS: There were 731 (34.1%) laboratory-confirmed cases and 1412 (65.9%) suspected cases. The median age of all patients was 7 years (interquartile range: 2-13), and 1213 cases (56.6%) were boys. Over 90% of all patients were asymptomatic, mild, or moderate cases. The median time from illness onset to diagnoses was 2 days (range: 0 to 42 days). There was a rapid increase of disease at the early stage of the epidemic and then there was a gradual and steady decrease. Disease rapidly spread from Hubei Province to surrounding provinces over time. More children were infected in Hubei province than any other province.

CONCLUSIONS: Children at all ages appeared susceptible to COVID-19, and there was no significant gender difference. Although clinical manifestations of children’s COVID-19 cases were generally less severe than those of adults’ patients, young children, particularly infants, were vulnerable to infection. The distribution of children’s COVID-19 cases varied with time and space, and most of the cases concentrated in Hubei province and surrounding areas. Furthermore, this study provides strong evidence for human-to-human transmission.”

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28 minutes ago, happysmileylady said:

you are right, suicide isn't going to infect you in the grocery store.

 

But, just like the suicide rate isn't going to forever alter our way of life (or even overwhelm our hospitals) it's also not likely to kill you unless you are at risk.  

AND......suicide rates of 130 per day in the US aren't ending our way of life.  I hope everyone can see that I am not trying to be callous but deal with real numbers here.......................as we try to save lives, we have to recognize that we are saving specific lives, while having dismissed similar number of lives before.  

We are bringing our world to a HALT.  Like.................STOPPING.  And it's all in an effort to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed.  But if we recognize lives lost EVERY DAY to suicide......the calculation of "saving lives" actually is a smaller factor.  We have NEVER EVER gone to the effort of creating a world wide recession or DEPRESSION just to cut down suicide rates.  And if we are super honest with ourselves, all the effort we are going to to save lives from Covid 19 is going to result in MORE suicides and lives lost to other reasons.  

I am sure that people smarter than me have done the net calculations but I still wonder about the overall world wide net benefit.  

Just...no.

What you are suggesting is:

1. We should sacrifice the vulnerable for the sake of everyone else.

2. Suicide and mental health is tied only to social limiting from covid-19

3. Covid-19 isn't really going to kill hundreds of thousands to millions of people this year.

No. (And I say this having lost a close relative to suicide in the last few years.) You cannot equivocate these.

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