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3 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Hmmmmm. I guess that's possible. But given that people of all ages are pretty short-sighted, I'm not sure people would actually make this trade-off in cold blood. "Yes, if I keep behaving like I do, I will likely either die or be incapacitated, but I'm fine with that!!" 

Maybe it's both. My mom, who is 61, is definitely still prioritizing health and longevity. The 80+ year olds that I know do. not. care. They want to live their lives and that is that.

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45 minutes ago, Katy said:

 

No, it sounds like an awful way to die.  And a horribly traumatic thing for the whole family.

I agree.. and you'll probably die alone.  

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2 minutes ago, sassenach said:

Maybe it's both. My mom, who is 61, is definitely still prioritizing health and longevity. The 80+ year olds that I know do. not. care. They want to live their lives and that is that.

This is my dad.  My sis (who lives next door to him) is so frustrated trying to convince him to stay home.  

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3 minutes ago, sassenach said:

Maybe it's both. My mom, who is 61, is definitely still prioritizing health and longevity. The 80+ year olds that I know do. not. care. They want to live their lives and that is that.

Yeah, I get that. It makes sense to me. 

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10 minutes ago, sassenach said:

I think that’s a little dismissive though. If we call it denial, we are saying that their thinking is wrong. I don’t think that’s true. I think their priorities are different. This has been studied at length. Being Mortal is an excellent book that tackles the subject. 

They're like this with everything though. I've tried to get my in laws in a home because they can barely get upstairs or out of the tub but the response is "We have 20 years before we have to think about things like that." Um, honey, you'll be dead in 10. My dad sees no reason to retire despite the fact that he's in too much pain to work half the time and mom won't date under 40 because she's young at heart. They're all old! They need therapy.

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That's the thing! Thanks!

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11 minutes ago, square_25 said:

Hmmmmm. I guess that's possible. But given that people of all ages are pretty short-sighted, I'm not sure people would actually make this trade-off in cold blood. "Yes, if I keep behaving like I do, I will likely either die or be incapacitated, but I'm fine with that!!" 

I remember both of my grandmothers stating that they were ready to die shortly before the event that ended their lives.

I do understand being ready to stop fighting the inevitable at some point.  It's not like if we miss this one we will live forever.

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1 hour ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

Also- someone up thread (or maybe in one of the other threads) said that the elderly aren’t afraid to die. But someone correct me if I’m wrong, but this doesn’t sound at all like a nice painless way to die. 

no, it's not.  comments from drs who've treated these patients is they drown in their own sputum.  (slowly).   and visitors aren't allowed anywhere near them, so they die alone.

and just because one 80 year old doesn't care if they get it - if they keep going out and about and become infected, they could give it to someone who does care.

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Oregon’s governor has announced she is considering similar measures to WA’s and will be making an announcement tomorrow.

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21 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

well, we knew this was coming.  One of Evergreen's  (where 26? of the Life Care patients died) Dr's is in critical (but stable) condition after contracting the virus.

He's in his 40s.  My best wishes and prayers for a full recovery.

29 have died from there. Two more today. 

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My sister told me she thought I was crazy initially when I told her to buy diapers for her newborn a few weeks ago, but did so, and expressed thanks to me today. She had gone shopping and there were none to be found.

I don’t know whether to bang my head on the wall or feel relieved. 
 

Now if I could just get my parents to stay home, or buy more than a day’s worth of groceries.

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Haven’t checked totals for a while but officially the rest of the world has more cases and deaths than China

169,373 total cases 6,475 deaths

of those, 80,844 in China and 3,199 deaths

 

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REI https://www.rei.com/blog/news/eric-artz-rei-retail-stores-closing-until-march-27

“After a great deal of careful consideration, we are temporarily closing our 162 retail stores nationwide starting tomorrow, March 16, until March 27. I believe that is the right thing for our community. In fact, I believe it is our duty—to do all we can to help keep one another safe in this unprecedented moment.

That also means all employees from these stores will be paid during this temporary closure. And, even with our stores closed, we will be working hard to do everything we can to continue to serve our customers. All orders through REI.com will get free shipping while our stores are closed.”

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I have to say that I am impressed with the number of corporations who are taking proactive action on this and paying employees through shut downs. Obviously not everyone but many.

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23 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

29 have died from there. Two more today. 

Of the life care patients - One died at Harborview (the "new" first death, died Feb 25).  One at Overlake, and I think one died at a hospital in Snohomish county.  Not all of the Life Care deaths were at Evergreen.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/vittorio-gregotti-renowned-italian-architect-dies-of-coronavirus-at-92
“Vittorio Gregotti, an Italian architect who helped design the 1992 Barcelona Summer Olympics stadium, has died aged 92 after catching the coronavirus, Italian media said.

Gregotti died of pneumonia on Sunday after being hospitalised in Milan, having fallen ill with Covid-19, the Corriere della Sera newspaper and AGI news agency reported.”

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It looks like some newspapers have started removing their paywall for coronavirus coverage. I did notice that NYT will require that your register but just opt out of subscribing.

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3 hours ago, Jennay said:

 Why are you taking the Ibuprofen out of the kit? 

 

French doctors were warning (The Guardian, 14/03) that cortisone and other anti-inflammatories may worsen Covid19 symptoms. I decided to switch to paracetemol for fever relief, just because it's something small I could easily do without great inconvenience or expense. 

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4 hours ago, Arcadia said:

People working from home and students studying from home probably meant less pedestrian traffic. The Starbucks inside my nearest Safeway has less customers now that school is closed and people are working from home.

 

There were definitely fewer people on the streets here than normal. It's so helpful that people are staying home when they can. 
 

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2 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

I have to say that I am impressed with the number of corporations who are taking proactive action on this and paying employees through shut downs. Obviously not everyone but many.

 

The clearest, most frequent and up-to-date info I'm getting via email is from Woolies and Coles 🙂

Many big companies are doing relatively well, in terms of a flexible and timely response. 

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Since 11am yesterday there have been another 37 cases of Covid-19 diagnosed in NSW, bringing it up to 171 cases since the outbreak started, Hazzard said.

There are 1,282 cases under investigation. There have been 25,511 tests so far.

“So I would remind the community of the importance of being with us in partnership in trying to minimise this virus, but also understand that the number of people who are still being impacted in our community are still relatively small, compared to the total number of tests and the broader population,” Hazzard said.

“Having said that, it is starting to look as if there will be a fairly substantial, what we would understand to be, an exponential increase in numbers over the next few weeks.”

 

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3 minutes ago, StellaM said:

Since 11am yesterday there have been another 37 cases of Covid-19 diagnosed in NSW, bringing it up to 171 cases since the outbreak started, Hazzard said.

There are 1,282 cases under investigation. There have been 25,511 tests so far.

“So I would remind the community of the importance of being with us in partnership in trying to minimise this virus, but also understand that the number of people who are still being impacted in our community are still relatively small, compared to the total number of tests and the broader population,” Hazzard said.

“Having said that, it is starting to look as if there will be a fairly substantial, what we would understand to be, an exponential increase in numbers over the next few weeks.”

 

Vic just announced they have temporarily run out of test kits

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Dd just rang me. Her university just contacted her and told her to not go to class tomorrow. Do not hand on the models for her assignments etc. The uni is going to be off campus, online studies. With mostly portfolio work. She just ordered a A3 printer so she can upload her portfolio from her accommodation 

I am so relieved, she travels to uni by tram during peek hour, it goes right past the high school that has closed because a student tested positive last week

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2 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Dd just rang me. Her university just contacted her and told her to not go to class tomorrow. Do not hand on the models for her assignments etc. The uni is going to be of campus, online studies. With mostly portfolio work. She just ordered a A3 printer so she can upload her portfolio from her accommodation 

I am so relieved, she travels to uni by tramduri g peek hour, it goes right past the high school that has closed because a student tested positive last week

 

I wonder if/when Deakin will close? 

Dd can do all her coursework from home, and lectures are already online. 

I'm pretty close to cancelling all my things. That exponential rise starting is worrying me.

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5 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Vic just announced they have temporarily run out of test kits

 

I wonder what 'temporarily' means. 

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My Dd is at Swinburne 

Not all of her work can be done at home, it has a large workshop component 

The uni is still trying to work out the details but stated that nobody will be penalised while they work this out

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Queensland Senator tests positive

Queensland Senator Susan McDonald has tested positive for coronavirus.

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3 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I wonder what 'temporarily' means. 

They are having the same problem as US - they have run out of the reagent for the last stage of the test.  They are trying to discourage people from seeking testing here as well unless there’s a strong likelihood of positive.  I suspect Australia must have had more stocks of it than US for some reason but now we’re in the same boat

i think most of it comes from Europe?  That’s what I heard.  They are probably negotiating to get more but whether the raw materials are in shortage or there’s issues with transport I’m not sure.  

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11 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I wonder if/when Deakin will close? 

Dd can do all her coursework from home, and lectures are already online. 

I'm pretty close to cancelling all my things. That exponential rise starting is worrying me.

Is your Dd on campus? Or does she have accommodation  away from uni? 

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48 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Is your Dd on campus? Or does she have accommodation  away from uni? 

 

She's in a flat, not on campus. 

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Australia - NBN to be strengthened (ABC)

The National Broadband Network has announced its plans for coping with the increase in demand from households, with more and more people set to be working from home or stuck in self-isolation.


It says it has been monitoring usage patterns and spikes from countries around the world that have experienced the sorts of lockdowns Australia may soon turn to in an attempt to gauge what will be required.


It also said it will "incrementally increase" its data capacity allocation to service providers to help reach that demand, and will limit any non-essential maintenance.

NBN chief executive officer Stephen Rue said:


We are actively working with retailers and have the complete support of our government stakeholders to ensure we do everything possible to optimise the nbn to support the expected increase in residential use.


So hopefully that means we can work/watch 13 hours straight hours of Netflix uninterrupted.

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I’m trying to feel food-secure, but I’m still a little nervous. I don’t believe groceries will be made to shut down or anything like that, and I know distribution is working extra hard. My concerns are more large family oriented.

At the moment, my WM pick-up has 1 slot for today (I’m assuming someone canceled) and a few for tomorrow. No days after that are clickable. My assumption is that they’re trying to prevent long-range chaos and keep up with accurate stock for online orders.  I’m not sure whether to try to order what was OOS on Saturday now, for pick up tomorrow, or wait until later in the week and see what slots they release to reserve.

Right now, I don’t have to stock up on anything, so I haven’t been overly concerned about household limits. I’m not sure about the future, though. We’re 2 adults, 2 near-adults, and 2 rapidly growing boys. And then we also hope to have 2 more kiddos who may have issues with food/nutrition. (They did 3 years ago.). I’m not terribly concerned about most of the current items that have limits, but we could easily have a problem if limits expand to more things.

What’s everyone else thinking about routine shopping?  I used to only shop every other week when the kids were all little and pick-up wasn’t a thing. Now I do weekly, but it sure would be nice to cut my trips in half during a pandemic! Except maybe buying 2 weeks worth of groceries for 8 people would get me flagged as a hoarder!

4 days until court.  I’m assuming kiddos’ caseworker is going to be slammed today, but I’m really hoping she can at least get us sizes, favorite colors, things like that. With there being delivery delays, I don’t know how quickly we can get stuff, and I have no idea what they may or may not come with.  If everyone is insane and we don’t get the kids, maybe we can arrange to send them the stuff anyway.

P.S. Have I mentioned that I purged early elementary resources from my house? 😕 

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18 minutes ago, Carrie12345 said:

I’m trying to feel food-secure, but I’m still a little nervous. I don’t believe groceries will be made to shut down or anything like that, and I know distribution is working extra hard. My concerns are more large family oriented.

At the moment, my WM pick-up has 1 slot for today (I’m assuming someone canceled) and a few for tomorrow. No days after that are clickable. My assumption is that they’re trying to prevent long-range chaos and keep up with accurate stock for online orders.  I’m not sure whether to try to order what was OOS on Saturday now, for pick up tomorrow, or wait until later in the week and see what slots they release to reserve.

Right now, I don’t have to stock up on anything, so I haven’t been overly concerned about household limits. I’m not sure about the future, though. We’re 2 adults, 2 near-adults, and 2 rapidly growing boys. And then we also hope to have 2 more kiddos who may have issues with food/nutrition. (They did 3 years ago.). I’m not terribly concerned about most of the current items that have limits, but we could easily have a problem if limits expand to more things.

What’s everyone else thinking about routine shopping?  I used to only shop every other week when the kids were all little and pick-up wasn’t a thing. Now I do weekly, but it sure would be nice to cut my trips in half during a pandemic! Except maybe buying 2 weeks worth of groceries for 8 people would get me flagged as a hoarder!

4 days until court.  I’m assuming kiddos’ caseworker is going to be slammed today, but I’m really hoping she can at least get us sizes, favorite colors, things like that. With there being delivery delays, I don’t know how quickly we can get stuff, and I have no idea what they may or may not come with.  If everyone is insane and we don’t get the kids, maybe we can arrange to send them the stuff anyway.

P.S. Have I mentioned that I purged early elementary resources from my house? 😕 

We're now at only using delivery services or pick ups where they load your bags into your trunk .  No in person routine shopping - and I wish we'd switched sooner (we're in Seattle). I'm with you on the larger families challenge though - regular quantities for a week could seem like hoarding.

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1 hour ago, Melissa in Australia said:

that is good. it would be very hard to isolate on campus

 

 

She's there with her partner as well, so not alone, thank goodness.

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2 hours ago, lewelma said:

Just got this from a friend. It is from an internal memo from a hospital here in NZ. 

Virus Detection:<snip>

 

I'm sorry but this isn't from a hospital in New Zealand.  It's been circulating with differing attribution on social media for over a week.  While some of it is common sense or MIGHT help, much of it is definitely NOT true, especially the bit about cold symptoms NOT being COVID.  That was disproven in France more than an month ago.  And MANY people have no symptoms at all or only cold symptoms.

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BNO:  The number of confirmed coronavirus cases worldwide has surpassed 170,000. Of those, 6,512 have died, 77,085 have recovered, and 86,990 are unresolved

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5 minutes ago, Katy said:

 

I'm sorry but this isn't from a hospital in New Zealand.  It's been circulating with differing attribution on social media for over a week.  While some of it is common sense or MIGHT help, much of it is definitely NOT true, especially the bit about cold symptoms NOT being COVID.  That was disproven in France more than an month ago.  And MANY people have no symptoms at all or only cold symptoms.

They are saying here that a cough and fever are big indicators but not so much a runny nose.

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Wal-Mart wasn't too packed when we went last night but they were still out of TP and nearly out/low on several others- bacon, cheese, butter, eggs, frozen pizza, all forms of rice and beans, potatoes, onions. I can't remember what else.

When I referred to people mounding their carts I mean the people buying entire carts of TP or any one thing. I have 4 kids so plenty of grocery trips we have a full cart. 

Last night I had a very full cart but the most I bought of anything was 3 (regular size) bags of chocolate chips 🙂 emergency use only. The only thing I bought that is not on my regular list was a canister of instant oats. I just bought 1 or 2 extras of this and that. 

We told dh's Mom that we didn't feel comfortable visiting, she is 70+ and been fighting some cough thing half the winter, she said she doesn't want to live in fear. I told dh she can be stupid if she wants but we don't have to follow long, she can't force us to visit.

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7 minutes ago, Katy said:

 

I'm sorry but this isn't from a hospital in New Zealand.  It's been circulating with differing attribution on social media for over a week.  While some of it is common sense or MIGHT help, much of it is definitely NOT true, especially the bit about cold symptoms NOT being COVID.  That was disproven in France more than an month ago.  And MANY people have no symptoms at all or only cold symptoms.

I was about to say, a friend of mine posted this on FB and shortly afterwards, retracted it, saying she has learned this is not from a reliable source and is not medically correct. 

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I switched all my private students to online today.

Cancelled homeschool class for the duration.

Being guided by medical advice tomorrow, but leaning towards applying for leave without pay from my main job this week.

Did my last big shop at the store in the mall. No more mall for me. If it can't be delivered, I'm doing without.

Writing my will (lol, that's to please my dad).

And ordering Easter eggs for all my kids so they have something nice on Easter!

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