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DS got home 3 hours ago!  ❤️❤️

That's not a blanket right.  If my religion required human sacrifice, I can't practice it.  If my religion required sexual assault, I can't practice it. Freedom of religion isn't a blanket right

Update-  my youngest is not only short of breath, coughing, dizzy, nausaues, and with headache-  she is also confused.  I called our doctor and talked with him and she is going to be going to the ER.

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45 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

If we make it to Week 11 (4 weeks to go) that would be very helpful. 

But it seems like shutting the stable door after the horse is out. They think they can keep a lid on this thing for another month?

I doubt it.

the Grand Prix in Vic?  Fringe festival in Adelaide 

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US has issued a blanket reconsider international travel advisory.  Apologies is already posted.  Seems like we are taking it seriously now.  Too late.  I imagine this also means - don’t expect an evacuation flight.

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4 minutes ago, melmichigan said:


We’ve done so well for 111 pages, please don’t ruin it now.  COVID-19 is to important to let communication break down.

 

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These are direct quotes, and this  information is directly relevant to a thread in which people are trying to figure out why so many Americans ignore the advice of experts and continue to insist that CV19 is no worse than the flu. This is what they are being told:

"RUSH: Folks, this coronavirus thing, I want to try to put this in perspective for you. It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump. Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. (interruption) You think I’m wrong about this? You think I’m missing it by saying that’s… (interruption) Yeah, I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.

The Drive-By Media hype of this thing as a pandemic, as the Andromeda strain, as, “Oh, my God, if you get it, you’re dead.” Do you know what the — I think the survival rate is 98%. Ninety-eight percent of people get the coronavirus survive. It’s a respiratory system virus. It probably is a ChiCom laboratory experiment that is in the process of being weaponized. All superpower nations weaponize bioweapons. They experiment with them.
                      <goes off on tangent about Russians weaponizing fentanyl>
The survival rate of this is 98%! You have to read very deeply to find that number, that 2% of the people get the coronavirus die. That’s less than the flu, folks. That is a far lower death statistic than any form of influenza, which is an annual thing that everybody gets shots for. There’s nothing unusual about the coronavirus. In fact, coronavirus is not something new. There are all kinds of viruses that have that name. Now, do not misunderstand. I’m not trying to get you to let your guard down. Nobody wants to get any of this stuff. I mean, you never… I hate getting the common cold. You don’t want to get the flu. It’s miserable."

This person is telling millions of listeners that COVID19 is a common cold, and that a fatality rate of 2% is much lower than any form of flu. And they believe him.

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19 minutes ago, StellaM said:

OMG the PM is encouraging people to 'go to the footy' this weekend.

From memory I think he suggested people should cope with bushfire by heading out to the footy also.

Are these people stupid, scheming or evil? A combo? 

 

That may be a little hard yet

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-prepared-to-play-matches-in-empty-stadiums-if-coronavirus-prompts-government-health-warnings/news-story/5db7d8128b23d24c55b456dcdb4b5d75

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8 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

US has issued a blanket reconsider international travel advisory.  Apologies is already posted.  Seems like we are taking it seriously now.  Too late.

 

It is late, but not too  late for having a substantially different (better) result than if it doesn’t happen.  And though not said, obviously of great importance to other places in world not to be being infected by American carriers of the virus. 

8 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

 I imagine this also means - don’t expect an evacuation flight.

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On the global level 2 advisory there was also this:

If you have travelled to any destination during the past 14 days:

  • Stay home for 14 days from the time you returned from travel, monitor your health and practice social distancing. Social distancing means staying out of crowded places, avoiding group gatherings, and maintaining distance (approximately 6 feet or 2 meters) from others when possible.

 

 

there seems to be some some contradiction between “stay home” and “avoid crowds”. — but it’s better than last time I looked.

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A problem I see is the sort of people who check to see that CDC website says people returning from any (and I assume that means domestic travel too!) destination in past 14 days should stay home (or practice social distancing?) are the same ones who would do that anyway.

 I am not seeing or at least not yet that this is being made clear and obvious in common media outlets where it gets played over and over giving a large number a chance to hear it.  

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13 hours ago, StellaM said:

So, news from my city is that the Opposition wants schools shut down now, so that means schools will be open forever, because the Govt will refuse to give the Opposition the win. 

 

our school districts wanted to stay open.  the governor banned all gatherings over 250 people (not businesses, or even schools.).  the Universities were switching to online with announcements last week.  (the big one here really wanted to hold out as this is the last week of classes, finals next week - then do online for spring quarter, which starts the very end of march.)

these people have had weeks to make some plans it they were paying any attention - now they're all scrambling.  how to get food to kids on free/reduced meals, how to teach online - right now, they can't so schools are CLOSED.  

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1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

US has issued a blanket reconsider international travel advisory.  Apologies is already posted.  Seems like we are taking it seriously now.  Too late.  I imagine this also means - don’t expect an evacuation flight.

Now that we have decided to bring ds home, I just want him home NOW.  NZ is planning on more restrictions starting tomorrow.  I don't think they will impact NZ citizens, but I just need the flight to run! He leaves in 5 days. 

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12 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Now that we have decided to bring ds home, I just want him home NOW.  NZ is planning on more restrictions starting tomorrow.  I don't think they will impact NZ citizens, but I just need the flight to run! He leaves in 5 days. 

Hoping he gets home safe.  I agree at this time you just want to know what you’re doing clearly

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28 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I don't understand why contigency plans weren't ready to go.

We've had fair warning that at some point, a virus like this might have global spread.

Don't authorities plan for this scenario?

Scrambling is right. Though right now I'd take scrambling - we're apparently having a lovely stroll.

 

sometimes it's lack of resources.

we have a fault off the coast that can produce earthquakes and tsunamis equivalent to the one in Fukushima Japan.  The towns on the coast, are trying to come up with how to save the students if/when there is a tsunami (the geological record is there about previous very devastating tsunamis).  One town in Oregon wanted to build a school, built to withstand the quake and the tsunami - and be  high enough off the ground it should protect them from the water.  yeah - it would be expensive.  and it was voted down because it was simply more than the community/those in charge could afford.

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42 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I can't read that link...is the gist that the AFL is prepared to act but the government needs to green light them?

 

I can’t reread it now somehow I wasn’t paywalled before.  I think they were saying possibly games played without anyone in the stadiums but still televised.  But not official yet

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At this point, I’m kind of waiting to hear about reduced schedules and working from home options, if any. I work for a municipality

The city I work in now can offer that. In the last city I worked it would equal unpaid time and possibility unemployment because their budget was, and still is, horrible.

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3 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

sometimes it's lack of resources.

we have a fault off the coast that can produce earthquakes and tsunamis equivalent to the one in Fukushima Japan.  The towns on the coast, are trying to come up with how to save the students if/when there is a tsunami (the geological record is there about previous very devastating tsunamis).  One town in Oregon wanted to build a school, built to withstand the quake and the tsunami - and be  high enough off the ground it should protect them from the water.  yeah - it would be expensive.  and it was voted down because it was simply more than the community/those in charge could afford.

But Stella has a point. Plans in and of themselves don’t require funds. They need the thinkers to provide the full concept. It’s the execution of the final plan that will require funding.

There should’ve been some contingency planning because having no plan means no idea of the amount or kind of funding that could be necessary.

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5 hours ago, StellaM said:

OMG the PM is encouraging people to 'go to the footy' this weekend.

From memory I think he suggested people should cope with bushfire by heading out to the footy also.

Are these people stupid, scheming or evil? A combo? 

 

Is yourPM related to our President? 

Geez. 

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I am one who is glad for the travel ban and think it should have been in place weeks ago (even though I would have been quarantined possibly). But I said last night that a bunch of Americans would be confused after Trump’s speech because they have been hearing quite a different narrative for the past months. Sure enough, this morning, some of my FB friends *are* confused. One literally said she feels like she hasn’t been getting the real story and that it must be more serious than they were led to believe. 

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ETA:  Ok, apparently full details have come out and those stuck can come home and vice versa.  Nothing to worry about here.

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1 minute ago, DawnM said:

Anyone's family member stuck?

So many people are posting that their college kid is in Europe for Spring Break and can't get back or they live in Europe and their child is in the US, or husband for business, or, or, or.  Some of my friends were in Europe for a week on their way back from Africa.  Now they either stay in Europe or go back to Africa (missionaries), either way, they miss their daughter's wedding.

GAH!

My daughter is still in France for a teaching program. She’s not actually “stuck,” but I consider it a total unknown how this will play out. If the schools where she teaches are closed, what happens to foreign teachers like her? Will she be quarantined when she does return? I just dont know. 

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13 minutes ago, Quill said:

I am one who is glad for the travel ban and think it should have been in place weeks ago (even though I would have been quarantined possibly). But I said last night that a bunch of Americans would be confused after Trump’s speech because they have been hearing quite a different narrative for the past months. Sure enough, this morning, some of my FB friends *are* confused. One literally said she feels like she hasn’t been getting the real story and that it must be more serious than they were led to believe. 

I don’t think anyone should be relying on one souce of information (regardless of the source) for this.  There is so much information out there at our fingertips.

 

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3 hours ago, Elfknitter.# said:

But Stella has a point. Plans in and of themselves don’t require funds. They need the thinkers to provide the full concept. It’s the execution of the final plan that will require funding.

There should’ve been some contingency planning because having no plan means no idea of the amount or kind of funding that could be necessary.

My oldest friend wrote the UK's pandemic disaster preparedness document around a decade ago.  It's the basis of the plan for action now.  She's a senior civil servant and wrote it in consultation with medical and logistics professionals.  I don't have the specialist knowledge to know how well it is being implemented.

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Apparently someone who was waiting on test results flew on a JetBlue plane from NY to Palm Beach.

Someone needs to step up and start saying that people who do things like this will be charged with endangering public health (or whatever the applicable crime(s) are).

 

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A passenger aboard a JetBlue flight from New York's Kennedy Airport arrived at Palm Beach International Airport as a positive coronavirus case, Palm Beach Fire Rescue said early Thursday morning.

Flight 253 landed at 8:53 p.m. from JFK, but the plane remained on the tarmac instead of proceeding to gate C12. Passengers departed the aircraft around 10:45 p.m., according to PIX11 sister station WPTV.

"The person across the way from me was taken to the back of the plane. He was wearing masks and gloves. His wife was sitting in the same row as me and mentioned to others that he wasn't feeling well. She said he had gotten a phone call with his test results right before we had taken off, implying that he had a positive test but not actually saying it," passenger Scott Rodman told WPTV.


In an updated email to WPTV, PBFR said the State Health Department in Palm Beach County completed its assessment of the situation and spoken with all passengers aboard the flight.

In addition, passengers in the vicinity of the unidentified COVID-19 positive patient were advised of monitoring procedures.

Remaining passengers were released and given directions by Dr. Alina Alonso, the health director in Palm Beach County, to call the health department with any concerns.

PBIA is sterilizing the limited-containment area where the passengers deplaned, which was a separate location from the main terminals of the airport.

PBFR said crews first responded to a medical incident aboard the plane at 8:40 p.m.

According to an initial email from PBFR, "at this time all is under control and the Palm Beach County Health Department is on location evaluating the situation."

WPTV contacted JetBlue and the Health Department in Palm Beach County but didn't receive a response.

PIX11 has also reached out to JetBlue for for comment but has not yet received a response.

 

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7 minutes ago, mlktwins said:

I don’t think anyone should be relying on one souce of information (regardless of the source) for this.  There is so much information out there at our fingertips.

 

I completely agree, and not just about the virus, but about everything going on in the world. But I know many people who hole up in a media bubble and only hear one source, if they hear much at all. Opinion news shows have wrecked critical thinking skills, IMO. 

ON my FB Europe Travel group, there are people “threatening” to leave and start a coronavirus-free travel group because they are so determined not to hear another word about it. 

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1 minute ago, Quill said:

I completely agree, and not just about the virus, but about everything going on in the world. But I know many people who hole up in a media bubble and only hear one source, if they hear much at all. Opinion news shows have wrecked critical thinking skills, IMO. 

ON my FB Europe Travel group, there are people “threatening” to leave and start a coronavirus-free travel group because they are so determined not to hear another word about it. 

I agree.  We have our preferred sources, but I make sure we (especially my boys) look at other sources to see what is being said there.  I’ve told them to never take one news story, article, headline at face value.  To do their own research and make their own informed decision.  Crazy how many people don’t seem to be doing that!

 

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BNO: Iran reports 1,075 new cases and 75 new deaths; total confirmed cases reach 10,075 and 429 deaths

figures are likely higher based on eBay literally every non government source says though 

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My county’s public schools decided to close 1 day (next Friday 🙄) to talk about preparedness in case schools close.  One county next to us is doing the same.  The other county next to us decided overnight to close all schools starting today through next Friday (they only have 1 case so far in that county).  I hope the other 2 follow.  I think it will be too late next Friday.

Mine are not in public school, but take 2 outside classes.  Those would probably follow suit and would close also.

 

 

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My teenagers seem to be nervous now.  Before, they weren’t blind to it, but they were definitely frustrated with me, lol.  Now their various activities are on the line with higher authorities than me, and it’s making a difference in their POV.

The psychology of emergencies is starting to sink in for me now.  As someone who is pretty prepared year round and started to double check necessities WELL over a month ago (and found a stash of toilet paper in the house, lol) I felt pretty good about my own personal situation. Despite that, I’m noticing myself questioning the boundaries of “enough”, and wondering “what if”.  My concern is that, if *I’m* feeling that way, people who couldn’t or wouldn’t prepare before are quite likely to actually panic. I’ve been avoiding using that word because it’s appeared to be just outliers around me, but I have the sense that that’s going to change, and that *is scary.

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4 minutes ago, Carrie12345 said:

 

The psychology of emergencies is starting to sink in for me now.  As someone who is pretty prepared year round and started to double check necessities WELL over a month ago (and found a stash of toilet paper in the house, lol) I felt pretty good about my own personal situation. Despite that, I’m noticing myself questioning the boundaries of “enough”, and wondering “what if”.  My concern is that, if *I’m* feeling that way, people who couldn’t or wouldn’t prepare before are quite likely to actually panic. I’ve been avoiding using that word because it’s appeared to be just outliers around me, but I have the sense that that’s going to change, and that *is scary.

Same for me.

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6 hours ago, Arctic Mama said:

Oh you sweet summer child...
You may have not learned yet that on this board and more than a few segments of the population it is distinctly impossible to be fair to Limbaugh or even seek to halfway understand his context.  It was rather nice to see someone try, but don’t expect it to make a dent here.  That ship sailed along time ago. This and his other recent segments are all making the same points, but that context is not going to matter to someone who already hates him and his listeners.

I could post a full page of pure garbage that Rush has said. Things that you could in no way squish around into something remotely true,  believable, or decent. Sorry, Arctic, you can’t put 10 chunks of sh!t on a pizza, cover it with mozzarella and tell me it’s ok to eat. I’m sure anyone  can google Limbaugh lies. He’s not one I’d care to parse out concerning this virus.

 

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So, FSU (and perhaps all colleges in Florida - I saw something saying it was a decision by the State University Board of Governors) will be doing distance learning for two weeks after next week's spring break. 

A little while after that was announced, our local school district announced that they have no plans to make changes to normal school operations. Parents are responding with both praise and criticism, as one would expect, but I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of spring break the district does make changes. But anyway...y'all, this sentence from their Facebook post is just a gem:

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Our schools remain a beacon of safety and stability during these heightened times. 

 

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I can't seem to search and see if I already posted this:

All UNC colleges are going to online instruction until further notice.  My son's school will start Monday.  He will need to go in for 2 hours for a lab on Wed, but otherwise, all online.

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1 hour ago, DawnM said:

Anyone's family member stuck?

So many people are posting that their college kid is in Europe for Spring Break and can't get back or they live in Europe and their child is in the US, or husband for business, or, or, or.  Some of my friends were in Europe for a week on their way back from Africa.  Now they either stay in Europe or go back to Africa (missionaries), either way, they miss their daughter's wedding.

GAH!

Wow! So much has changed for my 9th grader over the last two weeks.  First a spring break trip with his school to S.Africa was cancelled.  Just found out that his school is closing the campus starting Monday.  All sports activities halted.  Especially disappointing because he made varsity-#2 seed.  I was going to send him to his cousin's wedding out of state, and now will probably not.  Then, I am planning that another overseas trip he was going to take with a different group in June will probably be cancelled as well.   Now, rushing to enroll him at CTD as a summer back-up. 

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We’re all adults here so I’m not going to tell anyone what not to talk about but I really really hope this thread can stay open.  Might be worth another thread on the media people if we want one?  

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6 hours ago, Pen said:

 

Because it will still help.

It won’t make USA a CV19 free region.

But it can be one (of many many many) needed step to help keep the rate of CV19 transmission lower and thus to help keep the medical system from collapsing.  It is a huge important thing and really important to understand how important it is to slooow down the SARS-CoV-2 virus. 

I guess it might, I don’t know the science well enough. But I think you’d have to restrict US citizen travel, too, to have a chance of helping.

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I'm amazed at the disconnect I'm seeing in my area.  Yesterday governor announced that the state high school basketball tournaments would go on without spectators.  This morning, local school who has a women's team in semi-finals announces a "watch party" in the school gym with a big inflatable screen.  Quote was that they are hoping to "pack the gym".  

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5 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

sometimes it's lack of resources.

we have a fault off the coast that can produce earthquakes and tsunamis equivalent to the one in Fukushima Japan.  The towns on the coast, are trying to come up with how to save the students if/when there is a tsunami (the geological record is there about previous very devastating tsunamis).  One town in Oregon wanted to build a school, built to withstand the quake and the tsunami - and be  high enough off the ground it should protect them from the water.  yeah - it would be expensive.  and it was voted down because it was simply more than the community/those in charge could afford.

It's sad but disaster planning people always feel like they're Don Quixote or the chicken who ran around saying the sky was falling. The powers that be don't want to spend the time, money (especially), and effort to prepare for bad stuff. It's totally human nature to rally together during bad stuff and forget about it 6 months later. Like childbirth! Lol Some governments and non profit agencies get it and that's why my husband continues to have a job but overall as he says, " We're our own first responders and our neighbors are the zero responders. They'll be the ones saving the elderly, the housebound, the ones who can't help themselves."

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1 minute ago, YaelAldrich said:

It's sad but disaster planning people always feel like they're Don Quixote or the chicken who ran around saying the sky was falling. The powers that be don't want to spend the time, money (especially), and effort to prepare for bad stuff. It's totally human nature to rally together during bad stuff and forget about it 6 months later. Like childbirth! Lol Some governments and non profit agencies get it and that's why my husband continues to have a job but overall as he says, " We're our own first responders and our neighbors are the zero responders. They'll be the ones saving the elderly, the housebound, the ones who can't help themselves."

Even on a personal level it’s hard to maintain preparedness long term.  We try to be more prepared bushfire season but it requires a lot of ongoing work.  Emergency food expires.  Grass grows back.  I guess it’s similar on a large scale.  Masks go out of date.  What seemed like a reliable company or supplier has become less reliable. 

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Oldest ds works at an Amazon warehouse. This morning (well, the date was yesterday March 11), he was sent:

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Effective immediately, all global employees who have been quarantined or diagnosed with COVID-19 will receive up to two weeks of pay. We're also establishing an Amazon Relief Fund with a $25 million initial contribution to support employees and contractors around the world who face financial hardships from qualifying events.

There's more, but that was the gist.

I'm glad they're doing at least this, but I am concerned--once again!--about the level of testing. This is another reason why need widespread testing! If you can't get a test, then how do you qualify for aid like this?

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I wish I could find the exact quote but if anyone watched Dr. Fauci testify yesterday he alluded to regulation and FDA approval being the reason they decided the create their own test. It sounded like that would have been the quicker decision since they had the sequence. I thought FDA could make emergency exceptions like in the case of opening up testing to US Labs...but that was in-house. So we need to look at not having to recreate the wheel when something this serious happens again.  
I do hope we are all learning lessons from this and will make the necessary changes to do better next time. More stockpile. Supply chain closer to home. Travel restrictions are a necessary function of containment, not racist, not xenophobic. Reducing regulations to allow more freedom and maneuverability to act quickly. 

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https://abc7news.com/6006162/

“NEW YORK -- An airline passenger flying from New York City to Florida tested positive for COVID-19 moments after landing.

Fire rescue crews were called to Palm Beach International Airport for a medical incident shortly after the JetBlue flight arrived around 8:30 p.m. Wednesday night from John F. Kennedy Airport.

Officials said the aircrew and 114 passengers were stuck on the plane for a few hours before they were released to go home without seeing a doctor.

Patients who sat near the novel coronavirus patient were told to monitor their health, and others were given instructions to call the health department with any medical concerns.

Airport crews at PBIA had sterilized the containment area where passengers deplaned, which is separate from the main airport terminal.”

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so I had a quick read through the study... not detailed because it’s beyond my expertise level.  
 

it was based on patients hospitalised in January.  So presumably skewed toward the more severe cases because at that stage they weren’t checking everyone.  They excluded all unresolved cases out of over 600.  That left 191.  So I guess the info is really only dealing with cases that resolved quickly - either fully cured or dead.  Of that number about 1/4 died.  Presumably many more of the long running cases eventually recovered.

In Those who recovered shedding ended at around 20 days, in the ones that died continued till the end - in one case 37 days (incidentally must have been a December case because the study ended 31/1

Almost everyone had a fever, most people had a cough.  The muscle aches etc were fairly rare.

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1 hour ago, JanOH said:

I'm amazed at the disconnect I'm seeing in my area.  Yesterday governor announced that the state high school basketball tournaments would go on without spectators.  This morning, local school who has a women's team in semi-finals announces a "watch party" in the school gym with a big inflatable screen.  Quote was that they are hoping to "pack the gym".  

Yep. They don't get it. The locals are consuming / believing the story that this is overblown. They are SO UPSET they aren't allowed to go watch in person because this is "only the flu."

Local theater is showing the state bball tournament games for the three local teams for free starting this afternoon. I assume it'll be packed.

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1 hour ago, square_25 said:

I guess it might, I don’t know the science well enough. But I think you’d have to restrict US citizen travel, too, to have a chance of helping.

 

I am using your reply to me as a chance to reply not just to you but to give a more general reply. I am not upset with you at all should it come out so. And I am in no way accusing you of not being caring.  

The issues that need to be understood have much more to do with mathematics than with science. 

Have you been around and reading to see posts or links to outside materials that explain how slooooowing down rate of infection and number of cases makes a huge difference?

Each case that comes to an area— whether that’s from Italy to Florida or from Glorida to zMississippi, or from New Rochelle to New York City, will start its own series of transmissions. 

Each series that begins, the first person is likely to infect a number of other people before it’s realized that first person is sick (sCV19 can transmit from a well seeming person to others — that asymptomatic transmission occurs is very important to understand as a science matter) .

The fewer such lines of case spread there are the better.  

Thus, IMO all travelers should be quarantining for at least 14 days to not move proliferation of new series of cases into new areas, and even not to move potential onew mutation strains into new areas (which might change things to younger or more healthy people having more serious cases, for example)

(I was excited when I thought I saw that this was a CDC rule, but now it looks like it is not applicable except to high risk persons. )

Anyway, the more trails you start with (this is not  the exact way it happens as 1 person might infect 3 each of whom might infect 1 to 7 others or be a “superspreader” who infects 50 others, but using a consistent 1 infects 2, 2 go on to infect 4 is a way we can easily understand the basics on paper without being computer simulations capable) 

The more trails of 1 person infects 2, each of those 2 infect 2 more and so on, the faster the medical system will be overwhelmed.  The fewer trails, and the more you curtail moving around to new spots and being in contact with  groups the smaller will be the R0 (Said “R naught”— it is the number that says how many new people  one case on average will infect. And it isn’t fixed by qualities of the virus. It’s flexible by a combination of the virus qualities and the behavior of the people who are dealing with the virus.  You can think of it a little like fire, and people moving around are like dropping hot embers,  taking a wild fire from one spot and dropping it on another.  Social distance in its many forms is like a river of water helping to stop the fire’s progress.) 

The fewer lines of doubling cases there are the less quickly the medical system will be overwhelmed.  Which right now is very critical.

So while a lot is still happening that IMO should not be (I suspect TPTB are afraid of riots as some people on here pointed out earlier), any cutting down that can be done,  whether by government mandate, corporate decision, schoolboard decision, or personal decision, the better.  It may be crazy that USA is still having St Patrick’s parades when Ireland has shut that down, but just because something hasn’t been forbidden (maybe for fear of riots) it doesn’t mean that smart people like the ones who are on WTM and capable of learning and teaching their kids have to go to it. 

Take a piece of paper and start putting down doubling sequences (1-2-4-8-16-32-64...) which start small, but quickly become enormous and look at the difference that happens if there’s just one string of doubling (one outbreak) versus 10 or 100 or more.   Look at how much more quickly the millions and even billions will be reached if you start with 1 case line versus 100.

Some small outbreaks in USA are probably still quite stoppable by using contract tracing and quarantining.  

Some may take much bigger measures to try to shut down local transmission areas (for example New Rochelle attempt to stop it from spreading into and overwhelming nearby big densely populated cities. 

Other areas such as on the west coast the battle for chance of completely stopping it is probably pretty much over, but containment and mitigation still are extremely possible.  Slooooowing it to give medical system a chance is still very possible. 

And this is really critical for people to understand.

Really, Really important for people not to just figure it’s too little too late and give up trying. Even If government hasn’t mandated not traveling, do what one can oneself. Even if government hasn’t  mandated quarantine after traveling, do what one can oneself.

even locally, Cut down on events, cut down on places visited, put more distance (even though there’s a proven case of a transmission from one end of a bus to another, it will still be that more transmission is going to be from closer distances).  Do wash hands.  Do do a mini personal quarantine when arriving home — removing outer clothing, Etc etc.   Do wear clean items when going out so that if someone at home has an as yet asymptomatic case, one is not a walking fomite ....

Even people who don’t care about the 15-20% who will have cases needing hospital, maybe a few of the No Big Deal 80% people could come to care about what could be a generation of medical workers and first responders being decimated.  Even people who see the elderly or people with health problems as dead wood who should be pruned (and I think that there is probably quite a bit of that I acknowledged) maybe they would not want there to be no available doctor when they need one, no available fireman when they need one. No paramedic when their teenager has a car crash or a swimming pool accident. 

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