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18 minutes ago, square_25 said:

How so? 🙂

I wasn't just thinking about the math part,  It was more about the unknown part- or the part they do not know.  I had a doctor who told me that vasculitis is only a children's disease and that i was so wrong to inquire about it---- completely wrong- in fact, it is much more common in adults, insluding autoimmune patients and cancer patients.  OR the a-holes who think that whatever dumb theory they have is obviously the answer and obviously there can be no other answer.  I now fire doctors who claim they know everything.  I like doctors who admit that they and research doesn't know everything.  Like my concierge doctor and I were talking today about both my labile hypertension and my liver functions and he told me that they know that acetomeniphen ( Paracematol) damages the liver, they know alcohol damages liver, they know many medications tax the liver, but they have no idea and no guidance is given to doctors about how much less of the first you should give based on if you have a drinker or a person taking medications that tax the liver.  

Good doctors I have tell me that I am a complicated patient and they can only do the best they can.  I appreciate them realizing that. I am.  Most of us who have had an autoimmune illness since the teens have numerous autoimmune diseases and yes, we are complicated patients.  What the general attitude of us patients is, and I am on many facebook and other groups of people with one of my diseases,  please don't dismiss us but work with us.  We don't expect cures- but we do expect respectful dialogue.

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DS got home 3 hours ago!  ❤️❤️

Update-  my youngest is not only short of breath, coughing, dizzy, nausaues, and with headache-  she is also confused.  I called our doctor and talked with him and she is going to be going to the ER.

That's not a blanket right.  If my religion required human sacrifice, I can't practice it.  If my religion required sexual assault, I can't practice it. Freedom of religion isn't a blanket right

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“NY Looks to Private Labs to Boost Virus Testing

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Through an emergency use authorization, the US Food and Drug Administration has authorized Northwell Health Labs to move from manual testing for COVID-19 to semi-automated testing.” https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/ny-looks-to-private-labs-to-boost-virus-testing/2252643/

“LAKE SUCCESS, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — One of the nation’s largest hospital labs began semi-automated testing Wednesday for the novel coronavirus, multiplying their ability to get results.

This as the number of positive tests continue to rise on Long Island. Nassau County has 28, including one in critical condition, while Suffolk County has six cases, CBS2’s Carolyn Gusoff reported.

There’s now a machine that will quickly process coronavirus tests, a dramatic ramping up from just days ago when only manual testing was available on Long Island.

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“This test will definitely be a game changer, because it allows us to ramp up form doing dozens of tests a day to hundreds of tests a day, increase our capacity quite a bit,” Dr. Greg Berry said.” https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-northwell-health-labs-testing-long-island/

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Heard about the Orthodox Jewish community in N NJ (Bergen Cty). 

The RCBC (Rabbincal Council of Bergen County) just voted to shut the whole community down. Email coming tomorrow:
No Shul (synagogue attendance is thrice daily for men.  This is unheard of. Men go to shul unless there's something important happening)
No Restaurants (Take-Out only)
No Shiva (traditional seven day mourning period when people come to the mourner's home to pay respects and memorialize the person)
No Funerals (only a minyan - 10 Jewish men))
No Simchas (Bar or Bat MItzvahs, Weddings, partys of any type)
No Play dates 
No Shabbos Meals (Having people over on the Sabbath is a big deal - we've had up to 35 people at our meals)

The same source said that the main Orthodox (non-Hassidic) Jewish educational organization (Torah u'Mesorah) is going to recommend all their schools be closed ASAP.  This is a HUGE deal. Torah learning is paramount in this crowd and to stop school is unheard of.

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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3074682/china-sends-team-medical-experts-gear-help-italy-fight

“China sends team of medical experts, gear to help Italy fight coronavirus

  • Italian Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio had asked his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi for assistance with supplies
  • Nation of 60 million people is the worst-hit after China and has been placed under lockdown

Local media said the Red Cross Society of China was leading a team of medical experts heading for Italy on Wednesday, taking supplies and equipment with them.

It follows a phone call between the two countries’ foreign ministers late on Tuesday, in which China’s Wang Yi responded to a request for help from his Italian counterpart Luigi Di Maio.

Wang told Di Maio that China would send medical equipment to the country, and also offered to send medical personnel to help tackle the outbreak in Italy, according to a statement on the Chinese foreign ministry website.

Di Maio had told Wang that Italy was “paying close attention to and learning from” China’s experience with the coronavirus, but had a shortage of medical equipment and he hoped China would help with this “pressing need”, the statement said.

The seven-member team includes an expert from the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention and two respiratory disease specialists from Sichuan University’s West China Hospital, according to the official Sichuan Daily.

It comes after prominent Chinese epidemiologist Zhong Nanshan briefed medical experts last week on how the virus had been managed in the country – including diagnosis, treatment, its pathological features, information disclosure and government controls – in a webinar organised by the European Respiratory Society.”

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4 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3074682/china-sends-team-medical-experts-gear-help-italy-fight

“China sends team of medical experts, gear to help Italy fight coronavirus

  • Italian Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio had asked his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi for assistance with supplies
  • Nation of 60 million people is the worst-hit after China and has been placed under lockdown

Local media said the Red Cross Society of China was leading a team of medical experts heading for Italy on Wednesday, taking supplies and equipment with them.

It follows a phone call between the two countries’ foreign ministers late on Tuesday, in which China’s Wang Yi responded to a request for help from his Italian counterpart Luigi Di Maio.

Wang told Di Maio that China would send medical equipment to the country, and also offered to send medical personnel to help tackle the outbreak in Italy, according to a statement on the Chinese foreign ministry website.

Di Maio had told Wang that Italy was “paying close attention to and learning from” China’s experience with the coronavirus, but had a shortage of medical equipment and he hoped China would help with this “pressing need”, the statement said.

A look at China’s industrial and transport hub Wuhan before and after its coronavirus lockdown

The seven-member team includes an expert from the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention and two respiratory disease specialists from Sichuan University’s West China Hospital, according to the official Sichuan Daily.

It comes after prominent Chinese epidemiologist Zhong Nanshan briefed medical experts last week on how the virus had been managed in the country – including diagnosis, treatment, its pathological features, information disclosure and government controls – in a webinar organised by the European Respiratory Society.”

Ah, willingness to learn from others.  

I am worried that the leadership here, who thinks the US does everything better than everyone else and no other country could possibly have anything to teach us, will just try to reinvent the wheel on this, to our detriment.  Just like with the testing situation.  🤬

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14 minutes ago, square_25 said:

 

They just had a death there, didn't they? 

I know they've closed a few Jewish day schools in NYC as well -- we have friends through younger DD's preschool who attend those... don't know if they are staying closed or not. 

No, the big hullabaloo is in New Rochelle about 40 minutes (in good traffic!) away in NY.  This is a large community though and I hope it will slow things down.  We just finished a holiday all about Jews giving gifts to each other, eating and drinking together and listening to the Book of Esther together.  And we are 30 days from Passover.  Families get together and eat and celebrate for 8 days.  Oh my.

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Perspectives of the management of COVID-19 infection in China
Nanshan Zhong  (Guangzhou, China)
Tuesday, 3 March 2020

https://www.ers-education.org/Media/Media.aspx?idMedia=468009

Interview on Coronavirus COVID-19 management experience in China
Anita Simonds (London, United Kingdom), Nanshan Zhong (Guangzhou, China)
Wednesday, 4 March 2020. Please Watch Prof Zhong's presentation, then see this Q&A session, for futher exploration and discussion of this unique experience in China'

https://www.ers-education.org/Media/Media.aspx?idMedia=468011

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1 hour ago, SeaConquest said:

 

So, basically more xenophobia. Shocking.

I have been very relieved to see that this thread hasn't devolved into something political. Until this. This was unnecessary.  It was the same with the travel ban from China--American citizens were/are allowed in. Why wasn't that xenophobia? How can you say that a ban on Europeans is xenophobia, but Asians is not? Because this ISN'T xenophobia. It's prudence. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html

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15 minutes ago, popmom said:

I have been very relieved to see that this thread hasn't devolved into something political. Until this. This was unnecessary.  It was the same with the travel ban from China--American citizens were/are allowed in. Why wasn't that xenophobia? How can you say that a ban on Europeans is xenophobia, but Asians is not? Because this ISN'T xenophobia. It's prudence. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html

 

I agree that stopping international travel is prudent. Even cutting it back a lot is prudent.

but I think we should give @SeaConquest a little grace here.  She’s going into nursing and is anticipating beingin a frontline area in a state with substantial numbers of cases.

Plus exams she’s stressed about.

Let’s all chill on the political leaning side of comments.

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4 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

I agree that stopping international travel is prudent. Even cutting it back a lot is prudent.

but I think we should give @SeaConquest a little grace here.  She’s going into nursing and is in a frontline area in a state with substantial numbers of cases. Plus exams.  

Let’s all chill on the political leaning side of comments.

I totally agree. I'm all about grace. Seriously. I don't think I was harsh in what I said. 

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2 minutes ago, popmom said:

I totally agree. I'm all about grace. Seriously. I don't think I was harsh in what I said. 

 

Ok I am all for extending you grace too!

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2 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Ok I am all for extending you grace too!

Pm me why you have to show me grace over this. plz Where is my sin?

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3 hours ago, SeaConquest said:

 

Point taken. You are right. I apologize.

You can apologize for wishing something bad for him, but otherwise you are spot on.

I’ll say it . The man is a vile, indecent human who has made millions upon millions spewing hate and lies. His program was the impetus for extreme talk radio. He and his ditto-heads can shove it.

 


 

 

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Does anyone know how Rudy Gobert contacted CV19? And whether the microphones he touched when joking about CV19 got disinfected? 

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This might be posted already 🇩🇰 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/coronavirus-denmark-covid-19-schools-universities-shut-12529178
“COPENHAGEN: Denmark will close all schools and universities and will start sending home all employees in the public sector with non-critical jobs in the coming days to curb the spread of the coronavirus, the prime minister said on Wednesday (Mar 11).

Denmark had 514 people diagnosed with the coronavirus as of Wednesday, rising 10-fold since Monday in what Health Minister Magnus Heunicke described as the "most dramatic increase seen in Europe".

All students at schools and universities will be sent home from Friday, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said, adding that all day care facilities will be closed from Monday.

Frederiksen also urged all events with more than 100 people to be cancelled, tightening the number from 1,000 previously.

“All private-sector employers are encouraged to ensure that as many employees as possible are able to work from home,” Frederiksen said, as quoted by Bloomberg.

“We need to limit activity in society as much as possible, without letting our society grind to a halt.”

"This will have huge consequences, but the alternative would be far worse," said Frederiksen according to the Local, which quoted the Ekstra Bladet newspaper.

"Under normal circumstances, a government would not present such far-reaching measures without having all the solutions ready for the many Danes concerned, but we are in an extraordinary situation."

About US$20 billion in tax breaks will be given to help companies cope with the fallout of the coronavirus, Bloomberg reported.

"We will not get through this as a country without a cost. Businesses will close. Some will lose their jobs. We will do what we can to mitigate the consequences for employees," the prime minister said.

Søren Brostrøm, director of the The Danish Health Authority, said that he expected the number of cases to increase rapidly in the coming days and weeks.

Neighbouring Sweden, with around 460 confirmed cases, reported its first death on Wednesday. The country has banned public gatherings of more than 500 people to stop the spread of the disease.”

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9 minutes ago, square_25 said:

I think banning all international travel made sense a month ago. Ban all travel except for US citizens coming BACK, and test all citizens on arrival. 

But why bother now? The call is coming from inside the house...

 

Because it will still help.

It won’t make USA a CV19 free region.

But it can be one (of many many many) needed step to help keep the rate of CV19 transmission lower and thus to help keep the medical system from collapsing.  It is a huge important thing and really important to understand how important it is to slooow down the SARS-CoV-2 virus. 

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5 hours ago, Corraleno said:

But that's such a "meaningless comparative!"

From Rush Limbaugh today (3/11/20):

"The flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1%, so Fauci places the new coronavirus lethality rate at somewhere around 1%. That’s the story. It isn’t that it’s 10 times more lethal than the flu, and this is how this crap gets politicized!

Pardon my yelling, but this stuff is what ticks me off, and my instincts tell me this. I know this kind of trickery and monkeying around with stuff is going on in these things because I know the media, I know the left, I know the Democrat Party, and I know how they’re trying to scare everybody and now they’re using Fauci here. “This is Trump’s guy! Trump’s guy is saying it’s 10 times more lethal than the flu,” which means nothing.

Ten times more lethal? Lethal than what? What does lethal mean? Does lethal kill you? Does lethal infect you? Does lethal give you a temperature of 102 versus 100? What does it do to you? It’s a meaningless comparative. Ten times more lethal? The only thing worth knowing in this story is that Anthony Fauci says the fatality rate to coronavirus is much less than what they believed."

 

[edited to move the author of the piece to the top so no one thinks these are my words! 😂]

 

 

I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, but after reading this quotation, I had to look it up. The way I understood it from the excerpt above was that Rush Limbaugh thought the mortality rate of 1% somehow wasn't 10 times more than the mortality rate of 0.1%. But after I read it the whole thing in context, it is clear to me that is not what he was saying at all: https://archive.is/TxU5c. He was making a point about how the headlines choose to portray the story. In his opinion, the important thing about what Fauci had said was that the mortality rate of COVID was 1%, which is significantly lower than previous estimates of 3-4%. If that's true, obviously, then that's good news. But does it get portrayed as such? Not at all. The headline writers choose to hide the good news and write the most negative headline they could think of: "COVID19 10x more lethal than the flu!" His further rant about "lethal" is more of the same. Basically, if the real news here is "hey, this might not be as terrible as we initially thought (still terrible, but much less terrible)" why does the headline not say that?

I'm personally not a COVID19 optimist. I take it very seriously and have been in prepping mode for months now. Like many here, I've had my fair share of debates with the "just the flu" crowd. My family has been following Taiwanese news on this disease from the beginning, back before the Wuhan lockdown. There was fear the fatality rate of this was going to be close to that of SARS (close to 10%). I remember the sense of dread we felt when Wuhan lockdown was announced, back before we knew anything about the fatality rate. So I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with Limbaugh's outlook on COVID19. (I don't really know what his outlook even is.) But it seems like the quote above was deliberately chosen to make it seem like a) Limbaugh doesn't know basic math, b) Limbaugh doesn't understand what "lethal" means. Basically, more of the exact politicization that Limbaugh is complaining about.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2020/03/11/intel-employee-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html
“An Intel Corp. employee has contracted the coronavirus, also known as COVID-19, according to a company spokeswoman.

Santa Clara-based Intel is not disclosing personal information about the employee, including which office the employee is based at, said Linda Qian, a communications manager for Intel Corp. The company confirmed that the employee recently took a business trip at Intel's Chandler, Arizona, campus.

The employee was on the Chandler campus March 2-3 and has not been on any other Intel campuses since then, she said.

Intel is headquartered in Santa Clara and has about 8,400 employees in Silicon Valley, though its largest workforce is in Oregon, where it has 20,000 employees based across four campuses in Washington County. It has another 10,000 or so in Chandler.”

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12 minutes ago, OneThoughtMayHideAnother said:

I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, but after reading this quotation, I had to look it up. The way I understood it from the excerpt above was that Rush Limbaugh thought the mortality rate of 1% somehow wasn't 10 times more than the mortality rate of 0.1%. But after I read it the whole thing in context, it is clear to me that is not what he was saying at all: https://archive.is/TxU5c. He was making a point about how the headlines choose to portray the story. In his opinion, the important thing about what Fauci had said was that the mortality rate of COVID was 1%, which is significantly lower than previous estimates of 3-4%. If that's true, obviously, then that's good news. But does it get portrayed as such? Not at all. The headline writers choose to hide the good news and write the most negative headline they could think of: "COVID19 10x more lethal than the flu!" His further rant about "lethal" is more of the same. Basically, if the real news here is "hey, this might not be as terrible as we initially thought (still terrible, but much less terrible)" why does the headline not say that?

I'm personally not a COVID19 optimist. I take it very seriously and have been in prepping mode for months now. Like many here, I've had my fair share of debates with the "just the flu" crowd. My family has been following Taiwanese news on this disease from the beginning, back before the Wuhan lockdown. There was fear the fatality rate of this was going to be close to that of SARS (close to 10%). I remember the sense of dread we felt when Wuhan lockdown was announced, back before we knew anything about the fatality rate. So I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with Limbaugh's outlook on COVID19. (I don't really know what his outlook even is.) But it seems like the quote above was deliberately chosen to make it seem like a) Limbaugh doesn't know basic math, b) Limbaugh doesn't understand what "lethal" means. Basically, more of the exact politicization that Limbaugh is complaining about.

 

Oh you sweet summer child...
You may have not learned yet that on this board and more than a few segments of the population it is distinctly impossible to be fair to Limbaugh or even seek to halfway understand his context.  It was rather nice to see someone try, but don’t expect it to make a dent here.  That ship sailed along time ago. This and his other recent segments are all making the same points, but that context is not going to matter to someone who already hates him and his listeners.

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45 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

If we make it to Week 11 (4 weeks to go) that would be very helpful. 

But it seems like shutting the stable door after the horse is out. They think they can keep a lid on this thing for another month?

I doubt it.

the Grand Prix in Vic?  Fringe festival in Adelaide 

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US has issued a blanket reconsider international travel advisory.  Apologies is already posted.  Seems like we are taking it seriously now.  Too late.  I imagine this also means - don’t expect an evacuation flight.

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4 minutes ago, melmichigan said:


We’ve done so well for 111 pages, please don’t ruin it now.  COVID-19 is to important to let communication break down.

 

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These are direct quotes, and this  information is directly relevant to a thread in which people are trying to figure out why so many Americans ignore the advice of experts and continue to insist that CV19 is no worse than the flu. This is what they are being told:

"RUSH: Folks, this coronavirus thing, I want to try to put this in perspective for you. It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump. Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. (interruption) You think I’m wrong about this? You think I’m missing it by saying that’s… (interruption) Yeah, I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.

The Drive-By Media hype of this thing as a pandemic, as the Andromeda strain, as, “Oh, my God, if you get it, you’re dead.” Do you know what the — I think the survival rate is 98%. Ninety-eight percent of people get the coronavirus survive. It’s a respiratory system virus. It probably is a ChiCom laboratory experiment that is in the process of being weaponized. All superpower nations weaponize bioweapons. They experiment with them.
                      <goes off on tangent about Russians weaponizing fentanyl>
The survival rate of this is 98%! You have to read very deeply to find that number, that 2% of the people get the coronavirus die. That’s less than the flu, folks. That is a far lower death statistic than any form of influenza, which is an annual thing that everybody gets shots for. There’s nothing unusual about the coronavirus. In fact, coronavirus is not something new. There are all kinds of viruses that have that name. Now, do not misunderstand. I’m not trying to get you to let your guard down. Nobody wants to get any of this stuff. I mean, you never… I hate getting the common cold. You don’t want to get the flu. It’s miserable."

This person is telling millions of listeners that COVID19 is a common cold, and that a fatality rate of 2% is much lower than any form of flu. And they believe him.

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19 minutes ago, StellaM said:

OMG the PM is encouraging people to 'go to the footy' this weekend.

From memory I think he suggested people should cope with bushfire by heading out to the footy also.

Are these people stupid, scheming or evil? A combo? 

 

That may be a little hard yet

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-prepared-to-play-matches-in-empty-stadiums-if-coronavirus-prompts-government-health-warnings/news-story/5db7d8128b23d24c55b456dcdb4b5d75

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8 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

US has issued a blanket reconsider international travel advisory.  Apologies is already posted.  Seems like we are taking it seriously now.  Too late.

 

It is late, but not too  late for having a substantially different (better) result than if it doesn’t happen.  And though not said, obviously of great importance to other places in world not to be being infected by American carriers of the virus. 

8 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

 I imagine this also means - don’t expect an evacuation flight.

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On the global level 2 advisory there was also this:

If you have travelled to any destination during the past 14 days:

  • Stay home for 14 days from the time you returned from travel, monitor your health and practice social distancing. Social distancing means staying out of crowded places, avoiding group gatherings, and maintaining distance (approximately 6 feet or 2 meters) from others when possible.

 

 

there seems to be some some contradiction between “stay home” and “avoid crowds”. — but it’s better than last time I looked.

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A problem I see is the sort of people who check to see that CDC website says people returning from any (and I assume that means domestic travel too!) destination in past 14 days should stay home (or practice social distancing?) are the same ones who would do that anyway.

 I am not seeing or at least not yet that this is being made clear and obvious in common media outlets where it gets played over and over giving a large number a chance to hear it.  

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13 hours ago, StellaM said:

So, news from my city is that the Opposition wants schools shut down now, so that means schools will be open forever, because the Govt will refuse to give the Opposition the win. 

 

our school districts wanted to stay open.  the governor banned all gatherings over 250 people (not businesses, or even schools.).  the Universities were switching to online with announcements last week.  (the big one here really wanted to hold out as this is the last week of classes, finals next week - then do online for spring quarter, which starts the very end of march.)

these people have had weeks to make some plans it they were paying any attention - now they're all scrambling.  how to get food to kids on free/reduced meals, how to teach online - right now, they can't so schools are CLOSED.  

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1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said:

US has issued a blanket reconsider international travel advisory.  Apologies is already posted.  Seems like we are taking it seriously now.  Too late.  I imagine this also means - don’t expect an evacuation flight.

Now that we have decided to bring ds home, I just want him home NOW.  NZ is planning on more restrictions starting tomorrow.  I don't think they will impact NZ citizens, but I just need the flight to run! He leaves in 5 days. 

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12 minutes ago, lewelma said:

Now that we have decided to bring ds home, I just want him home NOW.  NZ is planning on more restrictions starting tomorrow.  I don't think they will impact NZ citizens, but I just need the flight to run! He leaves in 5 days. 

Hoping he gets home safe.  I agree at this time you just want to know what you’re doing clearly

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28 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I don't understand why contigency plans weren't ready to go.

We've had fair warning that at some point, a virus like this might have global spread.

Don't authorities plan for this scenario?

Scrambling is right. Though right now I'd take scrambling - we're apparently having a lovely stroll.

 

sometimes it's lack of resources.

we have a fault off the coast that can produce earthquakes and tsunamis equivalent to the one in Fukushima Japan.  The towns on the coast, are trying to come up with how to save the students if/when there is a tsunami (the geological record is there about previous very devastating tsunamis).  One town in Oregon wanted to build a school, built to withstand the quake and the tsunami - and be  high enough off the ground it should protect them from the water.  yeah - it would be expensive.  and it was voted down because it was simply more than the community/those in charge could afford.

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42 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I can't read that link...is the gist that the AFL is prepared to act but the government needs to green light them?

 

I can’t reread it now somehow I wasn’t paywalled before.  I think they were saying possibly games played without anyone in the stadiums but still televised.  But not official yet

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At this point, I’m kind of waiting to hear about reduced schedules and working from home options, if any. I work for a municipality

The city I work in now can offer that. In the last city I worked it would equal unpaid time and possibility unemployment because their budget was, and still is, horrible.

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3 minutes ago, gardenmom5 said:

sometimes it's lack of resources.

we have a fault off the coast that can produce earthquakes and tsunamis equivalent to the one in Fukushima Japan.  The towns on the coast, are trying to come up with how to save the students if/when there is a tsunami (the geological record is there about previous very devastating tsunamis).  One town in Oregon wanted to build a school, built to withstand the quake and the tsunami - and be  high enough off the ground it should protect them from the water.  yeah - it would be expensive.  and it was voted down because it was simply more than the community/those in charge could afford.

But Stella has a point. Plans in and of themselves don’t require funds. They need the thinkers to provide the full concept. It’s the execution of the final plan that will require funding.

There should’ve been some contingency planning because having no plan means no idea of the amount or kind of funding that could be necessary.

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5 hours ago, StellaM said:

OMG the PM is encouraging people to 'go to the footy' this weekend.

From memory I think he suggested people should cope with bushfire by heading out to the footy also.

Are these people stupid, scheming or evil? A combo? 

 

Is yourPM related to our President? 

Geez. 

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I am one who is glad for the travel ban and think it should have been in place weeks ago (even though I would have been quarantined possibly). But I said last night that a bunch of Americans would be confused after Trump’s speech because they have been hearing quite a different narrative for the past months. Sure enough, this morning, some of my FB friends *are* confused. One literally said she feels like she hasn’t been getting the real story and that it must be more serious than they were led to believe. 

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[Deleted as the info isn't true anymore]

 

ETA:  Ok, apparently full details have come out and those stuck can come home and vice versa.  Nothing to worry about here.

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1 minute ago, DawnM said:

Anyone's family member stuck?

So many people are posting that their college kid is in Europe for Spring Break and can't get back or they live in Europe and their child is in the US, or husband for business, or, or, or.  Some of my friends were in Europe for a week on their way back from Africa.  Now they either stay in Europe or go back to Africa (missionaries), either way, they miss their daughter's wedding.

GAH!

My daughter is still in France for a teaching program. She’s not actually “stuck,” but I consider it a total unknown how this will play out. If the schools where she teaches are closed, what happens to foreign teachers like her? Will she be quarantined when she does return? I just dont know. 

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13 minutes ago, Quill said:

I am one who is glad for the travel ban and think it should have been in place weeks ago (even though I would have been quarantined possibly). But I said last night that a bunch of Americans would be confused after Trump’s speech because they have been hearing quite a different narrative for the past months. Sure enough, this morning, some of my FB friends *are* confused. One literally said she feels like she hasn’t been getting the real story and that it must be more serious than they were led to believe. 

I don’t think anyone should be relying on one souce of information (regardless of the source) for this.  There is so much information out there at our fingertips.

 

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3 hours ago, Elfknitter.# said:

But Stella has a point. Plans in and of themselves don’t require funds. They need the thinkers to provide the full concept. It’s the execution of the final plan that will require funding.

There should’ve been some contingency planning because having no plan means no idea of the amount or kind of funding that could be necessary.

My oldest friend wrote the UK's pandemic disaster preparedness document around a decade ago.  It's the basis of the plan for action now.  She's a senior civil servant and wrote it in consultation with medical and logistics professionals.  I don't have the specialist knowledge to know how well it is being implemented.

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Apparently someone who was waiting on test results flew on a JetBlue plane from NY to Palm Beach.

Someone needs to step up and start saying that people who do things like this will be charged with endangering public health (or whatever the applicable crime(s) are).

 

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A passenger aboard a JetBlue flight from New York's Kennedy Airport arrived at Palm Beach International Airport as a positive coronavirus case, Palm Beach Fire Rescue said early Thursday morning.

Flight 253 landed at 8:53 p.m. from JFK, but the plane remained on the tarmac instead of proceeding to gate C12. Passengers departed the aircraft around 10:45 p.m., according to PIX11 sister station WPTV.

"The person across the way from me was taken to the back of the plane. He was wearing masks and gloves. His wife was sitting in the same row as me and mentioned to others that he wasn't feeling well. She said he had gotten a phone call with his test results right before we had taken off, implying that he had a positive test but not actually saying it," passenger Scott Rodman told WPTV.


In an updated email to WPTV, PBFR said the State Health Department in Palm Beach County completed its assessment of the situation and spoken with all passengers aboard the flight.

In addition, passengers in the vicinity of the unidentified COVID-19 positive patient were advised of monitoring procedures.

Remaining passengers were released and given directions by Dr. Alina Alonso, the health director in Palm Beach County, to call the health department with any concerns.

PBIA is sterilizing the limited-containment area where the passengers deplaned, which was a separate location from the main terminals of the airport.

PBFR said crews first responded to a medical incident aboard the plane at 8:40 p.m.

According to an initial email from PBFR, "at this time all is under control and the Palm Beach County Health Department is on location evaluating the situation."

WPTV contacted JetBlue and the Health Department in Palm Beach County but didn't receive a response.

PIX11 has also reached out to JetBlue for for comment but has not yet received a response.

 

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7 minutes ago, mlktwins said:

I don’t think anyone should be relying on one souce of information (regardless of the source) for this.  There is so much information out there at our fingertips.

 

I completely agree, and not just about the virus, but about everything going on in the world. But I know many people who hole up in a media bubble and only hear one source, if they hear much at all. Opinion news shows have wrecked critical thinking skills, IMO. 

ON my FB Europe Travel group, there are people “threatening” to leave and start a coronavirus-free travel group because they are so determined not to hear another word about it. 

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1 minute ago, Quill said:

I completely agree, and not just about the virus, but about everything going on in the world. But I know many people who hole up in a media bubble and only hear one source, if they hear much at all. Opinion news shows have wrecked critical thinking skills, IMO. 

ON my FB Europe Travel group, there are people “threatening” to leave and start a coronavirus-free travel group because they are so determined not to hear another word about it. 

I agree.  We have our preferred sources, but I make sure we (especially my boys) look at other sources to see what is being said there.  I’ve told them to never take one news story, article, headline at face value.  To do their own research and make their own informed decision.  Crazy how many people don’t seem to be doing that!

 

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BNO: Iran reports 1,075 new cases and 75 new deaths; total confirmed cases reach 10,075 and 429 deaths

figures are likely higher based on eBay literally every non government source says though 

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My county’s public schools decided to close 1 day (next Friday 🙄) to talk about preparedness in case schools close.  One county next to us is doing the same.  The other county next to us decided overnight to close all schools starting today through next Friday (they only have 1 case so far in that county).  I hope the other 2 follow.  I think it will be too late next Friday.

Mine are not in public school, but take 2 outside classes.  Those would probably follow suit and would close also.

 

 

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