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1 hour ago, Arcadia said:


They might pull something like this 

“March 10, 2020, 1:58 PM PDT

Mitty-St. Joe's girls CIF NorCal Open final moved to Miramonte High

A last-minute relocation of the NorCal Open Division girls basketball championship game will result in a longer bus ride for top-seeded Archbishop Mitty, as the Monarchs will now play No. 2 seed St. Joseph Notre Dame tonight at Miramonte High in Orinda. Tip-off is still at 7 p.m. “It's just an interesting turn of events,” SJND interim coach Brian Sato said. “I didn't expect this at all.” The game was originally scheduled to be played Tuesday night at Gunn High in Palo Alto. But Monday night, in lieu of the Santa Clara County ban on gatherings of more than 1,000 people that will take effect Wednesday at 12 a.m., the Palo Alto Unified School District announced stricter limits to no more than 100” https://sports.yahoo.com/m/78b75da2-1844-375b-ae0d-8a0ef9a2e373/mitty-st.-joe%26%2339%3Bs-girls-cif.html

 

 

This, to me, does not solve the problem.  There are cases through out the Bay Area, and athletes will be en masse, staying at hotels, eating at restaurants, etc.  I understand how they might consider this okay for a championship though.

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55 minutes ago, Pawz4me said:

The article says the 72 hours after fever is gone recommendation is from the Washington State health department. Apparently it’s what they’ve been telling people who are symptomatic but don’t meet testing criteria. 

 

“Four medical professionals with COVID-19 who met the criteria for hospital release or lifting of quarantine in China had positive real-time reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) results 5 to 13 days later, according to a research letter published yesterday in JAMA.

“The researchers said the results suggest that current criteria for hospital release or lifting of quarantine and continued treatment should be reevaluated. "These findings suggest that at least a proportion of recovered patients may still be virus carriers," they wrote.

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erial positive RT-PCR results

In the small JAMA study, throat swabs from one hospitalized patient and three patients in home quarantine treated at Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University from Jan 1 to Feb 15 were tested with RT-PCR for COVID-19 nucleic acid to determine if the patients could return to work.

Criteria for hospital release or return to work included normal temperature for at least 3 days, resolved respiratory symptoms, substantially improved lesions on chest computed tomography (CT), and two consecutive negative RT-PCR test results at least 1 day apart.

RT-PCR results of the patients, two men and two women aged 30 to 36 years, were positive, and CT scans showed mild to moderate areas of fluid buildup. The patients were given antiviral medication and recovered 12 to 32 days after symptom onset. After meeting the criteria for hospital release or lifting of quarantine, the patients were asked to remain at home for another 5 days.

RT-PCR was performed again 5 to 13 days later and repeated three times over the next 4 or 5 days—and all tests were positive. Another RT-PCR test with a kit from a different manufacturer confirmed the results. The patients were asymptomatic, CT showed no changes, and they reported no contact with anyone with respiratory symptoms or infected family members.

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Florian Krammer PhD, virologist and vaccinologist in the Department of Microbiology at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City, said on Twitter that the RNA of many viruses can be detected months after viral shedding has ended.

"Follow-up tests can turn positive after a few negative tests, eg because sampling was better," Krammer said. "Also, and this is a very important point, just because somebody still tests positive in a nuclei acid-based test does not mean they are still shedding infectious virus."

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/some-covid-19-patients-test-positive-days-after-recovery

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doesn't mean they are definitely still shedding infectious virus.  But most certainly doesn’t rule it out. 

 

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https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2020/03/09/shut-down-by-coronavirus-schools-scramble-to.html
“March 9, 2020

With school closures stemming from the novel coronavirus escalating, school leaders across the country must wrestle with another dilemma: if schools shut down, their students may not have access to meals. 

Millions of students, in school districts big and small, rely on the free or discounted meals they eat at school. Advocates worry that as more schools close their doors, more children will go hungry. 

“These meals are a very big deal,” said Joel Berg, chief executive officer of Hunger Free America, a New York-based nonprofit. “Almost 30 million kids a day rely on government subsidized school meals. If schools are shut down for weeks at a time, we’re going to have a serious child hunger crisis.” 

As of Monday, 507 U.S. schools had been closed or are scheduled to close, affecting 363,357 students, according to Education Week’s tracking of coronavirus-related shutdowns.”

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20 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Apparently we’re running out of freezers down here in Aus

https://mobile.twitter.com/KristyMayr7/status/1237587730999070720

That I can understand. I ran out of freezer space temporarily when my husband bought a big cheesecake that is supposed to be kept in the freezer 😂 We finished that cheesecake over three days.

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2 hours ago, redmom3 said:

 NO ONE SEEMS CONCERED!
 I Feel like a hypocrite, after following this closely here , on Twitter and YouTube, we just got home from picking up our older married daughter from the airport in Sacramento.  She flew from Houston and besides a few masks, saw or heard nothing about the virus.  Please don’t judge—it was a hard decision to let her come, but we do not get to see her very much at all and we felt like we had a small window till it gets bad.  (tickets have been bought for months though)
We drove fromModesto area, stopped at a Starbucks, got her, ate at a Mexican food restaurant, shopped at HomeGoods (in Elk Grove), and got a Dutch Bro’s on the way home——all so normal, I forgot about wiping down the shopping cart😷

No one at church, neighbors, family, Or friends seem at all concerned (except tp and water are gone at Costco). I’m starting to believe I’m crazy. 
 

It's the same where I live, but we have no confirmed cases in our state yet. You're not a hypocrite--you're confused. At least I feel extremely confused. 3 our of my 4 dds traveled for spring break this week. One to Atlanta, one to Savannah, and one to Edmonton, Alberta. like you, these trips were planned well in advance. The trip to Canada clearly is the most risky because of time spent in international airports. She packed disinfecting wipes and hand sanitizer for the plane. I do understand that feeling of "am I crazy?" Everywhere I go it's business as usual. Got back from a 2 hour long co-op meeting tonight about classes for next year. Not a word was said about the virus. I deliberately sat in the back row at least 6 feet away from any other people. 

I suspect--and maybe this is crazy--that much of our country feels that they can't do anything other than business as usual, so they post their stupid memes and continue to keep their head in the sand because they feel they have no choice. I mean--I'm a stay at home mom. My husband has the type of job that he can work from home a lot, and he sets his own schedule. Most people can't do this. Does this make any sense? I hope I haven't offended anyone. if this is insensitive, I'll delete.

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8 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

I have a question:  can you estimate from Wuhan how long an outbreak might affect an area?  Ie. If Seattle truly has had the virus circulating for six weeks (or less time if you count from the first deaths) can people realistically extrapolate when we are “safe”?  

I have seen 6-8 weeks mentioned but without implementing the same control measures we won’t necessarily see the same pattern.  

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4 minutes ago, Jean in Newcastle said:

I have a question:  can you estimate from Wuhan how long an outbreak might affect an area?  Ie. If Seattle truly has had the virus circulating for six weeks (or less time if you count from the first deaths) can people realistically extrapolate when we are “safe”?  

I don’t think so. Wuhan had draconian measures imposed and China can mobilize their PLA, health workers and construction crews. Japan, South Korea and Singapore are all more authoritative than US. Hong Kong people has learned from SARS so they are “semi compliant”.

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3 minutes ago, popmom said:

It's the same where I live, but we have no confirmed cases in our state yet. You're not a hypocrite--you're confused. At least I feel extremely confused. 3 our of my 4 dds traveled for spring break this week. One to Atlanta, one to Savannah, and one to Edmonton, Alberta. like you, these trips were planned well in advance. The trip to Canada clearly is the most risky because of time spent in international airports. She packed disinfecting wipes and hand sanitizer for the plane. I do understand that feeling of "am I crazy?" Everywhere I go it's business as usual. Got back from a co-op meeting tonight about classes for next year. Not a word was said about the virus. I deliberately sat in the back row at least 6 feet away from any other people. 

I suspect--and maybe this is crazy--that much of our country feels that they can't do anything other than business as usual, so they post their stupid memes and continue to keep their head in the sand because they feel they have no choice. I mean--I'm a stay at home mom. My husband has the type of job that he can work from home a lot, and he sets his own schedule. Most people can't do this. Does this make any sense? I hope I haven't offended anyone. if this is insensitive, I'll delete.

Yes.  I’ve been out shopping etc today and doing normal stuff.  This is why the people above giving clear direction is so important.  Because no one wants to be the ridiculous paranoid person that didn’t let their kids go to the school concert etc when it wasn’t necessary.

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3 minutes ago, popmom said:

I suspect--and maybe this is crazy--that much of our country feels that they can't do anything other than business as usual, so they post their stupid memes and continue to keep their head in the sand because they feel they have no choice. I mean--I'm a stay at home mom. My husband has the type of job that he can work from home a lot, and he sets his own schedule. Most people can't do this. Does this make any sense? I hope I haven't offended anyone. if this is insensitive, I'll delete.

My neighbor wants our county to close public schools because she doesn’t want her only child potentially infected. Lots of students depend on schools for free lunch and “childcare” though. 

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6 minutes ago, Arcadia said:

My neighbor wants our county to close public schools because she doesn’t want her only child potentially infected. Lots of students depend on schools for free lunch and “childcare” though. 

yes! I saw the post upthread about that. There may come a point when it does make sense to close schools in our area for an extended period, and hopefully both the government and charitable institutions will step up. Of course it might not be as dire as they make it sound. What do the kids do all summer? I was on reduced cost breakfast and lunch when I was a child, but no one provided me meals when school wasn't in session for holidays/breaks. I ate spaghettios and bologna sandwiches.

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4 minutes ago, popmom said:

What do the kids do all summer? I was on reduced cost breakfast and lunch when I was a child, but no one provided me meals when school wasn't in session for holidays/breaks. I ate spaghettios and bologna sandwiches.

We have schools opened for free lunch during summer. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-closing-more-schools-what-happens-students-who-depend-school-n1154181
“To help make it easier for states to operate their school meals programs during the coronavirus outbreak, the USDA is accepting waiver requests — so far approved for Washington state and California — that will allow students to get their meals from a designated site, such as their local school or another off-campus location, then take it home.

Normally, students who participate in free or reduced-price meals can't take their meals to go, but concerns over coronavirus spread in confined spaces have led officials to reevaluate. The waivers run through June 30.

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At the Northshore district, all students — no matter their eligibility — are being offered lunches thanks to the help of community groups, Fisher said. It's unclear how many students will take advantage of the meals, but bus drivers are also helping deliver meals for students. The school district learned the importance of being prepared, particularly after last winter's snowstorms closed schools.

"With so much going on, this isn't a time when kids should have to worry about where their next meal is coming from," Fisher added.”

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https://abc7news.com/health/tsa-workers-at-san-jose-airport-test-positive-for-covid-19/6002113/
“SAN JOSE, Calif. (KGO) -- Three Transportation Security Officers who work at Mineta San Jose International Airport have tested positive for novel coronavirus, officials said Tuesday.

The officers are receiving medical care and all TSA employees they have come in contact with over the past 14 days are quarantined at home.

"Screening checkpoints remain open and the agency is working with the CDC, as well as the California Department of Public Health and the Santa Clara County Public Health Department to monitor the situation as well as the health and safety of our employees and the traveling public," a TSA spokesperson said in a statement.”

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17 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20X2R8?__twitter_impression=true
 

Washington state governor says without real action the state could have 64,000 cases in 8 weeks

 

Also in my mind a problem is that British Columbia, Canada to the north and Oregon and California to the south also seem to have significant outbreaks. And I am not sure that even with “real action” Washington can be an island unto itself.

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school next to the Uni my dd goes to is closed.

 She decided to not go to her classes tomorrow. 

She found out from her landlord that the local  to her supermarkets are having a run on feminine sanitary items, so dd thought she better go straight over and buy whatever she could - contributing to the run I guess.

 

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16 minutes ago, Farrar said:

In terms of the food issue... around here, they open summer breakfast and lunch at several locations in every city ward. They don’t check the kids - they just feed all of them. Is there nothing like that in other places?

No where near me, but I live in a leafy suburb. That's not to say there's no poverty in our school district--there is. But this has made me curious how our urban areas deal with this.

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This was posted on a mom group I moderate. It was very helpful for me to understand my personal risk and my risk at inadvertently contributing to the death of another person. This helped me understand the risks involved with social distancing measures. It appeals to the way I think because I am a numbers person.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/whats-your-risk-dying-covid-19-inadvertently-death-someone-scott?fbclid=IwAR3GAUlutxl-ZEtKg04SHzAfxWOcMR4y6xTJxv8NALJllz56ceSG1-xRAIY

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https://ktla.com/news/california/most-california-coronavirus-patients-are-between-18-and-64-new-data-shows/

“California officials on Tuesday released age breakdowns of the coronavirus cases so far as the spread of the disease continued.

The data showed 91 cases of people 18-64 and 60 cases of people 65 and over. There were only two cases of people younger than 18.

There is growing alarm about the toll coronavirus is taking on the elderly, who account for the vast majority of the deaths in the United States.

People at higher risk include those over the age of 70 and people with underlying medical conditions such as diabetes, obesity, asthma, disease of the heart, lung or kidney and those with weakened immune systems. If someone who falls in one of these categories does get sick, early diagnosis is important to allow more time to treat the patient, which may include putting them on oxygen or, when necessary, a ventilator to help them breathe if their lungs begin to fail.”

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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/taiwan-prison-join-covid19-fight-with-mask-factory-coronavirus-12525718

“But after the coronavirus spread to Taiwan they switched to making masks, putting together some 52,000 face coverings since mid-February.

Sporting a grey face mask himself, a 50-year-old inmate surnamed Yuh said he was keeping his family close to heart as he worked.

"When they came to see me, they said it was very difficult to buy face mask out there. I said to them 'Daddy is making face masks here, and that maybe you will have the benefit and the opportunity to use it'," he told AFP.

"Every time I sew face masks, I think to myself that it can bring some security to my family."

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The masks are sold for around NT$25 (US$0.83) each and the inmates are paid a small wage which they can spend within the prison.

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Yen Chih-hong, a Taipei Prison official who helps run the scheme, said inmates in the prison now make around 1,000 face masks daily, up from an initial 450 as orders keep increasing.

"They are very willing to work extra shifts to fill in the orders ... sometimes I have to ask them to take a break," he said.

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Nearby Hong Kong, which is suffering widespread face masks shortages, has long used prison labour to make surgical masks, primarily for government and healthcare workers.

The operation there is far larger with prisoners able to churn out more than a million masks a month.

In recent weeks, prison staff have even joined inmates to bolster their ranks.”

 

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7 hours ago, whitehawk said:

Thanks, this is the kind of information I've been looking for. But yikes, 24 days is a long time.

Pen, 211.org just seems to be parroting CDC. I would expect calling to yield just a reading from the same script.

Still shedding...but this study shows that after a certain date, what you're shedding is likely not contagious.

"importantly, the scientists could not grow viruses from throat swabs or sputum specimens after day 8 of illness from people who had mild infections."

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/09/people-shed-high-levels-of-coronavirus-study-finds-but-most-are-likely-not-infectious-after-recovery-begins/

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18 minutes ago, redmom3 said:

I meant to hit like/love. I don’t do this enough on my iPad. So sorry😂. I do totally agree with you. When we don’t know what to do we tend to just keep doing what we are doing. 

thanks lol. sorry. I'm always paranoid when I post here that I'm going to say something that gets misinterpreted or offends someone. 🙂

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https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/what-do-working-parents-do-when-coronavirus-closes-local-schools-n1150671
“Yet while white-collar workers may have the luxury of being able to work from their kitchen tables on their laptops, many lower-wage jobs require workers to be present.

"Low-wage jobs are not ones that can be done remotely," said Judy Conti, government affairs director for the National Employment Law Project, a nonprofit advocacy group for low-wage workers. "Someone has to show up to cook the hamburger and wash the floor."

That leaves families facing school closings and living paycheck to paycheck with the choice of taking care of their children or putting food on their table.

"It could be utterly devastating," Conti said in an interview.

Workers may also have little — if any — paid or unpaid leave. If they do have sick leave, taking care of their children during a broader health scare may not qualify. In the best-case scenario, they may have only a few days available.

"Do they have money for other child care, and if not, do they leave perhaps young children alone for longer than should be so they can keep their job?" Conti asked.

Employers who don't know when their employees will get back to work may choose to lay them off. Working families earning lower wages have fewer protections unless they belong to a union that helps guarantee them.

Children who qualify for free breakfast and lunch at their school may miss out, while their parents who stay home to take care of them may be making less money to put food on the table.”

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https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/educators-scramble-bring-classes-cloud-coronavirus-shuts-schools-n1154636

“Whether administered by the school or a private company, online lessons are only effective if you can access them. According to the most recent government data, only 61 percent of children ages 3 to 18 had internet access at home.

“In our rural communities, decent internet isn’t always an option,” said Jessica Brogley, who teaches education technology at the University of Wisconsin-Platteville. “We do have a wealth of digital tools for learning, collaborating and communicating, but if teachers and students don’t have access, their value is useless.”

While cell phones, tablets and gaming systems have created a generation of tech-savvy kids accustomed to using online platforms for learning within their classrooms, it’s unclear how effective cloud-based learning can be for younger students and those with special needs, who often interact with technology with the help of an aide or teacher.

“The independence, that’s tough,” said Brogley. A simple change in schedule from a structured setting may be difficult for children who lack the maturity or drive to learn mostly on their own, she added.

“It’s a lot to ask of kids, honestly.””

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36 minutes ago, Arcadia said:


https://ktla.com/news/california/most-california-coronavirus-patients-are-between-18-and-64-new-data-shows/

“California officials on Tuesday released age breakdowns of the coronavirus cases so far as the spread of the disease continued.

The data showed 91 cases of people 18-64 and 60 cases of people 65 and over. There were only two cases of people younger than 18.

There is growing alarm about the toll coronavirus is taking on the elderly, who account for the vast majority of the deaths in the United States.

People at higher risk include those over the age of 70 and people with underlying medical conditions such as diabetes, obesity, asthma, disease of the heart, lung or kidney and those with weakened immune systems. If someone who falls in one of these categories does get sick, early diagnosis is important to allow more time to treat the patient, which may include putting them on oxygen or, when necessary, a ventilator to help them breathe if their lungs begin to fail.”

 

Yes but...   can’t do early diagnosis if there’s refusal to test until person already has pneumonia and other possible illnesses are ruled out first. 😡

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22 minutes ago, StellaM said:

So, apparently in AU we are doing nothing for casual workers who need to self-isolate, because they will 'live off their savings'. Note: they had their penalty rates reduced last year, so their saving capacity has been diminished for some time. So sick casuals will be going to work and spreading the virus, thanks Australian government!!

Fever clinic set up at my local hospital, but they won't test anyone who hasn't had o/s travel, or is a close contact of someone with the virus. A teacher from school went to the clinic with symptoms and was refused testing. Thanks NSW government!

Three kids in just one of my classes had been out for two days with fever and a cough - their parents brought them to school today because their fever was gone. They are still coughing. Is it coronavirus? No-one knows...they're not being tested. I won't be snarky about the parents, some of whom are probably casual workers who - oh! can't take time to live on their savings while they keep their kids out of school for at least 14 days.

Also? The bus was packed and the woman next to me was sneezing constantly. I have to believe that it was allergies. 

I got Vit D3 and probiotics ( one of the other teachers said there'd been info from John Hopkins about getting on probiotics? Idk but I'm taking them.

I cancelled work this afternoon so I could come home from Job 1 and rest.

 

 

 

No idea on probiotics, but N acetyl cysteine, like D3, May be helpful both for lungs and immunity.  And if you are choosing an oil (for salad, for example) maybe favor Olive oil  right now.  It may be beneficial.  

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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-u-s-europe-brace-infection-spread-italy-n1153801/ncrd1154946#liveBlogHeader

“Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned Tuesday that coronavirus will alter the American way of life — even in areas of the country that have yet to report cases.

Speaking alongside Vice President Mike Pence at the White House coronavirus briefing, Fauci said,  "We would like the country to realize that as a nation, we can't be doing the kinds of things we were doing a few months ago."

"It doesn't matter if you're in a state that has no cases or one case, you have to start taking seriously what you can do now that if and when the infections will come and they will come, sorry to say, sad to say, they will," he said.

Fauci urged people to follow the guidelines to counter the virus on the government's website, coronavirus.gov.

"This is the minimum that we should be doing. Everybody should be saying all hands on deck, this is what we need to do," he said.”

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11 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I have googled N acetyl cysteine, but I don't really understand what it is, or how it might interact with other medications?

 

I don’t know about interaction with other things.  Here’s a drug reaction database https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/acetylcysteine,nac.html

Basically, it is a supplement, usable, form of the amino acid cysteine.  (A normal amino acid, protein building block,  It is a precursor to I think cystine and definitely to glutathione, and involved in formation of taurine. )

These are all involved in huge numbers of body processes including detoxification (NAC is used in Emergency Departments to counteract acetaminophen (Paracetamol?) poisonings, particularly protecting the liver. It has antianxiety actions, blood pressure lowering, and lung support aspects.  And a bunch else 

 

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12 hours ago, Pen said:

 

I can’t read WSJ due to paywall, but National Guard is disturbing.

 

 

It does give one pause, but the National Guard often gets pulled in to do grunt work for communities. Basic training/boot camp trainees also get tasked sometimes.  I spent a couple days filling sandbags in Biloxi, MS in preparation for a hurricane as a USAF trainee, (and then spent a day hauling tree limbs from property after the storm).

What I read is that the NG is being tasked to help clean and disinfect the area, not to keep people contained, which seems par for the course for what a lot of Guardsmen get tasked with. 

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1 minute ago, MissLemon said:

 

It does give one pause, but the National Guard often gets pulled in to do grunt work for communities. Basic training/boot camp trainees also get tasked sometimes.  I spent a couple days filling sandbags in Biloxi, MS in preparation for a hurricane as a USAF trainee, (and then spent a day hauling tree limbs from property after the storm).

What I read is that the NG is being tasked to help clean and disinfect the area, not to keep people contained, which seems par for the course for what a lot of Guardsmen get tasked with. 

 

👍 yep already figured that out

ng concerns me even just because calling up NG around here means at least troubles... in my area usually severe wildfires. 

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