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20 minutes ago, prairiewindmomma said:

This......but I saw last night that Shoreline(?) school district in WA had opened up childcare facilities for school children and meal pickups for those in this situation while allowing those with the resources to care for their own children to keep them safe and educated at home.  It seemed like a balanced and nouanced approach. 

shoreline is closer to the more concentrated area.

last week, dh was talking? to someone with kids in elementary.  the local school only had 70 kids show up out of a student population of over 450.  people are keeping their kids home even with school going.   I'm out of the loop - as even though I had dudeling in school for the outside supports - he's refusing to do anything.  at least I know he's not going to bring anything home.  (I'm currently risky.)  - our district is still open, but making plans for if they need to close.

the gov is supposedly banning gatherings over 250 people in the three counties hardest hit. (not requiring employers to close, or schools to close. yet.)

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34 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Thanks. I ran out of likes already so quoting and thanking.

I think people are not understanding how fast a transmissible disease can multiply if behavior does not hugely change.    Well, maybe most on this thread are.  This is sort of the preaching to the choir thread in that regard.  Maybe the post would do more good on the no big deal thread. 

I wish people would make the changes voluntarily rather than being forced to by disaster. 

I am 9 days from court.  I know that’s nothing compared to people who are physically at risk or even financially at risk, but I sure am white knuckling it!!!

So many people just don’t want to think about the impacts their actions could have.

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34 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

Thanks. I ran out of likes already so quoting and thanking.

I think people are not understanding how fast a transmissible disease can multiply if behavior does not hugely change.    Well, maybe most on this thread are.  This is sort of the preaching to the choir thread in that regard.  Maybe the post would do more good on the no big deal thread. 

I wish people would make the changes voluntarily rather than being forced to by disaster. 

 

I am already uber anxious and procrastinating about my exam tomorrow, so have neither the time nor [candidly] the patience to follow another thread (especially to educate people with their heads in the sand because I am literally going to watch people die of CV19 in the ICU in less than 2 weeks' time, so forgive my exasperation at this point). 

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54 minutes ago, Pen said:

It’s hard to know what future will bring.  You might want to briefly express your concern even though he won’t listen. Who knows, by next month Spain may be limiting travelers from USA to try to decrease how many Covid19 cases they get. 

That's what I've been telling people with April-summer international travel plans.  We have bungled this so badly here, by the time you plan to go, we will be the Level 3 country no one lets in.

That said, we did put the deposit down on dd19's study abroad program (July), and even bought her plane ticket - with 'cancel for any reason' insurance.  Hope for the best, plan for the worst, as the saying goes...

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I already posted about the in-depth plans for instruction that my previous district and childhood district have/are putting together.  Just found an update from my *current district (where I will be required to send new kiddos), and it’s pretty much just “we’re promoting cleanliness, keep sick kids at home”. No information about potential disruptions.

Those districts with plans don’t have nearby cases.
Mine does.

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9 minutes ago, YaelAldrich said:

FYI Costco.com is out of Sambucol and expects to get new orders shipped next weekish.  I have a couple of weeks worth but I decided to go for more.

Big ol' bottles of Sambucol

I told my husband it would be OOS soon and he thought I was kidding. I have two twin packs at home because one twin pack is bought for his sister.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-u-s-cases-top-1-000-spread-n1155241/ncrd1155646#liveBlogHeader

“Treasury Department may delay tax deadline

The Treasury Department may extend the April 15 tax filing deadline in an attempt to mitigate the economic disruption caused by coronavirus, an administration official said on Wednesday.

In normal circumstances, individuals who don't meet the April 15 deadline are charged an additional interest fee or penalty.

Extending the deadline could relieve pressure for individuals and businesses, as the fallout from coronavirus has closed schools, forced workers to stay home and disrupted the global economy”

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WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a press briefing today that the agency is "deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction” when he said the novel coronavirus outbreak is a pandemic.

 

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UW's Dr. Peter Rabinowtiz (Director of UW Center for One Health Research) compared coronavirus to a natural disaster in slow motion.  I like it.

yeah - I thought our natural disaster would be Cascadia ripping (think the japan quake), then we'd just clean up the aftermath.  but with this - every day brings something new.

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9 minutes ago, CAJinBE said:

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a press briefing today that the agency is "deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction” when he said the novel coronavirus outbreak is a pandemic.

 

I'm going to admit, I have a hard time respecting him if you consider just how long the WHO put off calling it dangerous.  They've done a lot of dragging their own heels.

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4 minutes ago, kdsuomi said:

Honestly, I think much of the non-concern where I live is that most people think it has been in our area and circulating since January. Since then, but not before, mostly elderly people have been getting a mysterious respiratory illness that lasts for a few weeks. We have a college with international students, lots of tourists, and people who travel, so any group could have brought it over before China was concerned about it. If it really has been here for that long, and the symptoms and ages of people getting it match, then it's already everywhere and no quarantine situation will work. 

 

I think many public health officials agree with you the horse is out of the barn, BUT that slowing the spread is absolutely crucial to prevent our healthcare systems from breaking down, as we've seen in China and now in Italy.

Flatten the Curve--

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/10/covid-19-coronavirus-flattening-the-curve

 

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1 minute ago, Carol in Cal. said:

3 TSA agents serving the Mineta-San Jose airport have it, confirmed and tested.  Others who have been in contact with them are quarantined now, but it has not been announced whether and when they served the flying public.

 

Well that means that anyone who's been through security at that airport in at least the last week have been exposed.  I've never seen them spraying down the security area with disinfectant.

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2 hours ago, SeaConquest said:

 

I am already uber anxious and procrastinating about my exam tomorrow, so have neither the time nor [candidly] the patience to follow another thread (especially to educate people with their heads in the sand because I am literally going to watch people die of CV19 in the ICU in less than 2 weeks' time, so forgive my exasperation at this point). 

 

Yeah.  

I am really frightened for people like you on front lines of medical care!

please stay safe!

Good luck on your exam!!!

(( lateral thought: Maybe get one (or both?) of your boys to study with you, quiz you etc.  As a kid I studied with and quizzed a parent through a couple of board certifications.  I think as a kid I found it was kind of fun. No stress for me. I learned a lot.  And I think it helped ease parent exam prep and anxiety too!  Though maybe nowadays it’s all online?  Back then it was flash cards, slides, textbooks etc and two people helped.  ??? ))))

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They've got a state park here in Georgia that's set to isolate infected people. First person just went in yesterday. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/georgia/first-coronavirus-patient-transferred-isolation-site-state-park/SSN7H7F4WNFUPAMCKNUYWUNWSM/

This really seems too little, too late. It's already in our communities! We have 22 cases, of which, the majority don't even know how they caught it (and all but one are hospitalized, so I'm assuming the lone person not in the hospital is now at the state park?) If they were going to isolate infected people, they should've started a long time ago! I'm just shaking my head. Who are the people making these decisions? Was this decision made a long time ago and is just now being implemented--which is not a reassuring thought. The bottom line is this is a containment move. We're way past that now. We should be doing mitigation.

ETA: TESTING and containment was needed weeks ago. Without the testing, containment was not much of an option. 

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1 hour ago, saraha said:

 

I think that’s interesting in itself—a sort of an indirect “super spreader” situation. I had heard about the Yeshiva U boy and family, but not the 50 cases!!!

I agree, with it being  heads up pay attention worthy—  but what results are you seeing with the it’s No Big Deal Friends?

I am starting to think each event or fact is seen by people and interpreted through their own interpretation system, such that the No Big Deal types just shrug and show how that fits and further supports their views.  Or even go further as in thinking / saying / behaving: why even bother with hand washing, mode.  Especially the ones who see themselves as in the 80% likely mild category and don’t care beyond that. 

 

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PLEASE DON'T QUOTE--I will probably delete this post in the future. But I need a place to vent/express concern.

Dh just found out his uncle had a stroke. No details. But if this uncle passes, dh is talking about driving to IN. I hate this. His grandparents are not living. This uncle has been a real s.o.b. The only reason dh would go would because of his mother and because of the cultural expectations surrounding this. But his mother is extremely high risk! She has COPD and has to do breathing treatments multiple times a day just to be able to breathe. I don't think she could fight off this virus. I don't want dh going. He is too likely to catch it himself and/or take it to his mother. He would not stop blaming himself if he thought he was responsible for something like that.

I don't know where his siblings (he has three--two in the same town as his mom, and the third much closer than we are) stand on this issue. I don't know if he'll have their support in trying to keep her isolated. Knowing the culture, I suspect other family members would want to come to pay respects. His mom cannot have people coming to stay at her house! I don't know if she will say no, though.

On the other hand, it's very possible that this could be the last time he sees her. We already decided to cancel our trip up there for spring break because of the risks. But I don't know how much longer she's got--they will not talk about that. 

I'm just really frustrated and sad about this.

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5th NE case. Interestingly this 16 yr old is in a town really close to SD; not the place I would expect this virus to be hanging out! 

“Daily updates will be posted every afternoon

March 11
 
A 16-year-old from Northeast Nebraska with existing health conditions was transferred to the Nebraska Biocontainment Unit with COVID-19. His condition is serious.”
 

More context: 

https://www.ketv.com/article/student-who-attended-nebraska-girls-state-basketball-tourney-is-positive-for-covid-19-unmc-crofton-biocontainment/31399842

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It was just announced that our state has its first community spread of the virus. They have no idea how the guy got it since he hasn't traveled or been in contact with any known cases. It's in the county where my elderly parents live and the guy is at the hospital where my dad gets his heart treatment. My parents don't have much of a social life, but my dad still has regular doctor appointments, they shop and pick up prescriptions, and they sometimes eat out. I'll need to call my mom and remind her they need to stay home as much as possible.

DD's large sports event is still on for this weekend, Thursday through Sunday, but only immdiate family is allowed to attend now. We're the first event tomorrow, so we'll go and then get out of there. She's really worried that her state meet will be cancelled next week and I think she's probably right.  Our governor is trying to be very proactive without totally upending people's lives, but he's taking a lot of criticism by people who think he's overreacting.

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Half of my husband's family is from Italy and the other half is from Germany.

The Italian side live between the Lake District and Milan. His cousin wrote to him last night and told him it's grim. The hospitals are filled completely and many people who can't get in are dying at home. Not just elderly. Some are middle aged and had no underlying conditions.

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12 minutes ago, kdsuomi said:

My question is, though, is there really slowing the spread at this point if it has been here as long as many think it has? Honestly, it's probably just that they now know what it is, not that it's just reaching an area. 

 

Absolutely the spread can be slowed! There are several things we as individuals and as communities can do to slow the spread. Check out the graph in the article below on the difference in mortality rates in Philadelphia and St. Louis, during the 1918 influenza pandemic. 

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/

And this link explains the importance of interventions to flatten the curve with COVID-19 today. These public health measures mean people will be much more likely to have the medical care they need. Preparing our own households and employing social distancing measures are ways we can take care of each other--and that means people we love and our wider communities too.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation?fbclid=IwAR0yD0mJ8VvTK0MqaAfvOZ_f0I0Xj7D7_Z9GoNURHJrZXj_hWnSY8Sko49k

Flattening the curve means that all the social distancing measures now being deployed in places like Italy and South Korea, and on a smaller scale in places like Seattle and Santa Clara County, California, aren’t so much about preventing illness but rather slowing down the rate at which people get sick. 

On Thursday, the CDC posted new guidance for people over age 60 and people with chronic medical conditions — the two groups considered most vulnerable to severe pneumonia from Covid-19 — to “avoid crowds as much as possible.”

“If more of us do that, we will slow the spread of the disease,” Emily Landon, an infectious disease specialist and hospital epidemiologist at the University of Chicago Medicine, told Vox. “That means my mom and your mom will have a hospital bed if they need it.”

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2 minutes ago, Lang Syne Boardie said:

It sounds like there'll be no deniers left in about 10 days. 

 

Agreed. I am off to our district's school safety meeting tonight so I can get more information on what to expect locally. I know teachers are demo-ing their 1-1 chrome books this week and I hope/expect that's part of their preparation. I'm sure two months ago they thought this would be focused on active shooter drills. Our schools have those at least monthly.

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1 minute ago, lauraw4321 said:

Just letting people know, as I promised, that it looks like I *will* be participating in the clinical trial of the vaccine. First appointment tomorrow. I think I'll start another thread in case folks are interested.

 

Good luck and blessings to you. Someone's gotta do it.

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4 minutes ago, lauraw4321 said:

Just letting people know, as I promised, that it looks like I *will* be participating in the clinical trial of the vaccine. First appointment tomorrow. I think I'll start another thread in case folks are interested.

 

Are you in the US?

I've heard they're starting human trials in the UK too.

 

ETA: Wishing you the very best!

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Aura, that is so difficult.  It really does sound like your MIL should not have visitors.  

Here in Israel it's up to 97 cases and in addition to the new travel restrictions (anyone returning from abroad must go into a 2-week quarantine) and bans on visiting nursing homes, the government has just banned all indoor gatherings of more than 100 people.  Schools are still open but the Health Ministry is talking about closing them so I think that is likely to happen soon.  El Al and the whole tourist industry are cratering and the government is being criticized for overreacting, but to their enormous credit (IMO) they are adamant that they intend to do everything possible to prevent the healthcare system from being overwhelmed and having to lock down everything, as in Italy.

 

 

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5 hours ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Just left Costco.  I got there when they opened and you would have thought it was a Saturday.  I looked down the aisle as I don’t need any but no paper towels or toilet paper.  The check out lines were to the back of the store. 

I was at ours this morning too.  I told the kids it was like the Saturday before Christmas.  Absolutely nuts.  I was there for over an hour and a half (my normal Costco trip is about 20 minutes,  I have a list and know exactly where everything is and never walk down aisles that I don't need something from)

 

Oh and my mom thought I should pick up some toilet paper from Costco for her.  I told her they've were out last week.  She says, "Oh, they've probably restocked by now".  She is totally living with her head in the sand on this.

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59 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

I simply do not understand why people are still chuckling about it being NBD.

I'll tell you something scary I read last night - an opinion article by an ICU nurse here who was blithely saying 'it's just the flu'.

It's terrifying when the Hive knows more about how this isn't 'just the flu' than an ICU nurse. Makes me think if I did rock up at a fever clinic with symptoms they'd hand me twoo paracetamol and tell me to get some rest. I can do that for free at home!

 

I was hospitalized in January with pneumonia. (the same time US patient zero entered another hospital.)  I was on droplet protocols - full face mask, gloves, gown required by all hospital personal who entered my room.  I had one nurse - who was quite blasé about it.  I had to wonder if she made some of her other patients ill because of her lack of conscientiousness.

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35 minutes ago, Lang Syne Boardie said:

It sounds like there'll be no deniers left in about 10 days. 

dh recently shared an Einstein quote that fits:

 Two things are infinite: the universe and stupidity.  and I'm not sure about the universe.

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50 minutes ago, kdsuomi said:

My question is, though, is there really slowing the spread at this point if it has been here as long as many think it has? Honestly, it's probably just that they now know what it is, not that it's just reaching an area. 

 

Yes.  

For example, China got turned around and spread slowed as far as we can tell. Even with many leaving Wuhan.

 It allowed for things like added medical staff to go to where they were more needed instead of simultaneous overwhelm everywhere at once.  

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Yesterday the University of Wisconsin- Madison recommended that students not travel for Spring break and if they do they should remain quarantined for 14 days when they returned.  The students pretty much scoffed at the suggestion.  Today they have canceled all in person classes starting Friday (start of spring break) until at least April 10.

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